TL Mafia LXXII: Gaiden 2 - Page 6

Both of these things are indicative of me being mafia. But why isn't he pushing me as mafia at this point?
Why does he mention Palmar's townread on me in this post? Does he not want to address me with his scumread? He has enough information to be actually pushing me here. It feels like he is being aggressive for the purpose of being aggressive here, not actually trying to push a scumread.

The funny thing is that despite always making more reasons to lynch me, he doesn't really push me all that much. Not when it matters. Not at all on Day 2. He's just content with lynching Mr. Cheesecake (more on this later).

Boxerfred is a policy lynch.

The only post that boxerfred makes after this (in the thread) is this one:After this post, Vivax tries to get support for lynching me.He basically says that boxerfred and Hopeless1der are random lynches, and that he doesn't want to take them.And now he says that boxerfred ninjavoting makes him mafia. This is where Vivax's scumread completely breaks down. Boxerfred's filter is here. He said that he didn't have time to play until tomorrow, voted on the biggest wagon because he got a PM that told him that he needed to vote, and that he isn't sorry. Vivax feels that this is not alignment indicative. However, why is ninja voting alignment indicative at all? It's not. Had he remembered to vote the first time, he wouldn't ninja vote at all. As it is, if he is town, he gets yet another PM from the host, which likely makes him go and actually vote. Ninja voting here fits exactly with boxerfred's play so far from a town perspective, and logically is no scummier than anything boxerfred has already done, which Vivax doesn't want to lynch him for.

Then boxerfred votes in the voting thread, and Vivax pushes him.

Vivax no longer wants to vote for me (his strongest scumread for basically all of the day) to vote for boxerfred. However, even with the lynch being close between boxerfred and Hopeless1der, Vivax doesn't push boxerfred at all. He's still around, just seemingly not caring about the lynch.

I do not understand how town!Vivax can have a strong scumread on me, be null on boxerfred, and then when boxerfred ninja votes (which is not alignment indicative, as previously demonstrated), Vivax decides to vote for boxerfred even when someone else is trying to get a wagon on me and then not seem to care if boxerfred is lynched over Hopeless1der or not.

I feel like VIvax is more invested in being townread than pushing for the lynches that he wants. He plays at the start of the game, but once he starts getting townread he lets up the pressure on me (a relatively hard target) and lynches boxerfred instead (a relatively easy target), despite what his posts would have had you expect. Then on Day 2, his posting drops significantly and he easily goes along with the Mr. Cheesecake wagon. With the thread mostly inactive (marvellosity, justanothertownie, and Palmar busy on the weekend, WaveofShadow and rsoultin night killed) and the lynch not decided, I would expect town!Vivax to start being more active and leading the thread. He has scumreads and loves to lead town when he's needed to do so. But he's willing to relax and not do anything.

So marvellosity is a point of contention, and I (Trfel) was responding to a comment that someone else made, so my question isn't strange.But maybe it's interesting? What?And he's withholding judgement until I explain it, when he's already provided a perfectly reasonable explanation himself? Especially when he already made a townread on me? I don't understand why he's waiting for this, it feels like a way to not fully commit to his initial townread of me.

Wait, what? Look at the nested quote from justanothertownie, this read makes no sense. Justanothertownie says that there hasn't been anything else interesting, but KelsierSC is saying that things have moved on and asking for other reads. Justanothertownie is calling his early question to me the best observation of the game, while KelsierSC is townreading me, already provided a valid explanation, and is wanting to delay talking about this observation until I return to the thread. But he says that justanothertownie's point is good?!?! He disagrees with everything that justanothertownie said in tihs post.

From "I don't like the case on jat" to this? For little/no reason? It feels like KelsierSC was defending justanothertownie from (supposedly) temporary pressure, but then as the pressure became clearly very serious, KelsierSC became more willing to join it. Feels like he's trying to give himself the option of lynching justanothertownie if the wagon stays strong. It just seems opportunistic.

Note that I do have some reservations about justanothertownie and VisceraEyes, though no one else seems to and I realize that I am almost certainly being stupid, even if I don't know exactly why. I'll deal with it later.