TL Mafia LXXII: Gaiden 2 - Page 142

Hello.

Sorry, I was taking a nap.

I'm hoping to play semi-seriously this game.

What is the general strategy for interacting with and making reads on one's mason partner in the thread? I don't have any experience with being a mason.

A little suspicious of boxerfred and VisceraEyes, I'm not so good at tone reading so I don't really have much in general.

Okay, not really suspicious of VisceraEyes any more, but I'll push it a little anyway to see if things start happening.

Hi, forgot about this.

I want to lynch JAT.

I'm just going to claim a cop check on you as town if you're ever in danger.

I don't even care.

I don't expect to seriously come under pressure, but I suppose it might happen.

But is that wise? If we do have a cop, that could be really counterproductive. Wouldn't it be better to just claim masons?

And I think I am willing to lynch justanothertownie as well, but he's just so stubborn, I might be able to see him acting like this from town (I don't think so, but maybe). I'll need to reread first.

Edit: Also, I suppose I've learned that if I am going to breadcrumb mason in the future, don't do it in a really disruptive way that messes with the thread for 30+ pages.

I'm not certain that Hopeless1der is mafia, though I think it's an okay chance. Either way, I think that pressuring him here won't negatively impact how easy it is to read him, and should be very interesting to see what stances people take on it.

Alternatively, I'm being a complete moron, which I would blame on not playing a game seriously as town in quite some time.

I'm not gonna breadcrumb anything, just gonna hard defend you all the time.

I'm bad at this btw.

I am waffling hard on jat = mafia at the moment. But my early read was so strong that I don't know if I should abandon it.

There is mafia under the radar:

WoS
VE
Vivax
BF
Deconduo
CC

I definitely agree.

Will now attempt to read the thread XD

With the assumption that there are multiple mafia among the lurkers, they don't seem to be pushed to action. This makes me think that this would make justanothertownie more likely to be town?

I think that dropping the justanothertownie push would force more people to do things (if justanothertownie is in fact town) and I also think that he would be a bit easier to read by seeing what he does with some more space.

Vivax is likely mafia here. I know he's done this thing in some of his last several town games where he intentionally plays badly to make it easier for him to play as mafia. However, in Gaiden 1, he played a bit more, and when town needed him later in the game he stepped up (and then I proceeded to throw anyway, but let's ignore that).

Here, I don't see him referencing the fact that he hasn't really been playing at all. He isn't apologetic at all. And I think that this is more likely to come from mafia!Vivax, based on what I've seen from town!Vivax's meta. It sort of feels like he's playing to draw the least amount of attention to himself (lots of simple questions, good balance between thread sentiment/opposite reads, etc).

Edit: But this all depends on what he does when people start talking about lynching him. Which is why I don't want to put it in the thread at this time.

Am I being really stupid?

Eh

I'll do some more stuff tonight.

Maybe rsoultin is mafia?

I have very little clue.

Marv is not confirmed

But the best strategy is probably to just lynch a lot into the inactives and bads.

I don't understand, I seem to be playing very, very badly but I'm actually not sure what I'm doing wrong?

What am I doing wrong/what do I need to do differently?

Hm, deconduo is starting to worry me. The fact that he vanished and didn't even comment on the lynch result makes it seem like he really wasn't invested in the lynch (and given his posting at the time, this means he's scum). Furthermore, now that most suspicion is off of him and he's gone, that seems scummy.

Of course, he could simply be busy (skeptical that he wouldn't even post after the lynch, though?), but I don't really want to mention this in-thread now, to see what he does? But I'm getting more suspicious of him.

Edit: Despite the green check, I still think that deconduo is scum. Pending reading his meta, but I'm just so surprised that he comes back and only made one post. He isn't asking people to lynch Hopeless1der, he isn't berating people for lynching town, he isn't scumreading people who are wrong, he's just making a conditional townread on someone based on a flip which I think will go the other way from his conditional townread.

I don't get the impression that he was invested in the lynch yesterday. This isn't a post-lynch reaction that I find plausible.

Edit 2: Were deconduo town, I'd expect him to be doing much more. From Tropical Storm Mafia, he seems more like the kind of player who would use a green check to have freedom to push and do whatever he wants in the thread and be happy with it, not the kind of player who uses it as an excuse to do nothing. He's barely done anything since the green check, no excuses or anything. Seems to be avoiding attention and skating by on the green check without being invested in the game.

If I'm really mafia siding 100% here I'll be sad

Am I being really stupid?

I don't think this deconduo thing is a smart idea.

Statistically it's bad to go after him because there's 3 mafia out of 9 people here, even if he is mafia it's still 2/8 for mafia, and with us being confirmed it's more like 2/6.

You have a better chance of hitting 33% mafia in 2/6 than to hit a green cop check.

Ignore him and focus on the other two mafia (or three, if the check is actually correct). I'm not saying you're wrong, even if you're right it's still a bad idea to push.

I agree, it's not something I want to deal with now, but I wanted to share my reasoning because I was worried about being vig shot.

I think that I mostly believe Vivax's claim. I do think that it's balanced to have two minor roles and masons (limiting the number of shots allows this). Also, with the 14 player 2 kp Night 1 setup, there's a slightly reduced chance of hitting scum on the Day 1 lynch and a slightly increased chance of using investigative night actions against players who are dying Night 1, which helps to balance the game.

Hello.

Sorry, I was taking a nap.

I'm hoping to play semi-seriously this game.

What is the general strategy for interacting with and making reads on one's mason partner in the thread? I don't have any experience with being a mason.

A little suspicious of boxerfred and VisceraEyes, I'm not so good at tone reading so I don't really have much in general.

Okay, not really suspicious of VisceraEyes any more, but I'll push it a little anyway to see if things start happening.

Hi, forgot about this.

I want to lynch JAT.

I'm just going to claim a cop check on you as town if you're ever in danger.

I don't even care.

I don't expect to seriously come under pressure, but I suppose it might happen.

But is that wise? If we do have a cop, that could be really counterproductive. Wouldn't it be better to just claim masons?

And I think I am willing to lynch justanothertownie as well, but he's just so stubborn, I might be able to see him acting like this from town (I don't think so, but maybe). I'll need to reread first.

Edit: Also, I suppose I've learned that if I am going to breadcrumb mason in the future, don't do it in a really disruptive way that messes with the thread for 30+ pages.

I'm not certain that Hopeless1der is mafia, though I think it's an okay chance. Either way, I think that pressuring him here won't negatively impact how easy it is to read him, and should be very interesting to see what stances people take on it.

Alternatively, I'm being a complete moron, which I would blame on not playing a game seriously as town in quite some time.

I'm not gonna breadcrumb anything, just gonna hard defend you all the time.

I'm bad at this btw.

I am waffling hard on jat = mafia at the moment. But my early read was so strong that I don't know if I should abandon it.

There is mafia under the radar:

WoS
VE
Vivax
BF
Deconduo
CC

I definitely agree.

Will now attempt to read the thread XD

With the assumption that there are multiple mafia among the lurkers, they don't seem to be pushed to action. This makes me think that this would make justanothertownie more likely to be town?

I think that dropping the justanothertownie push would force more people to do things (if justanothertownie is in fact town) and I also think that he would be a bit easier to read by seeing what he does with some more space.

Vivax is likely mafia here. I know he's done this thing in some of his last several town games where he intentionally plays badly to make it easier for him to play as mafia. However, in Gaiden 1, he played a bit more, and when town needed him later in the game he stepped up (and then I proceeded to throw anyway, but let's ignore that).

Here, I don't see him referencing the fact that he hasn't really been playing at all. He isn't apologetic at all. And I think that this is more likely to come from mafia!Vivax, based on what I've seen from town!Vivax's meta. It sort of feels like he's playing to draw the least amount of attention to himself (lots of simple questions, good balance between thread sentiment/opposite reads, etc).

Edit: But this all depends on what he does when people start talking about lynching him. Which is why I don't want to put it in the thread at this time.

Am I being really stupid?

Eh

I'll do some more stuff tonight.

Maybe rsoultin is mafia?

I have very little clue.

Marv is not confirmed

But the best strategy is probably to just lynch a lot into the inactives and bads.

I don't understand, I seem to be playing very, very badly but I'm actually not sure what I'm doing wrong?

What am I doing wrong/what do I need to do differently?

Hm, deconduo is starting to worry me. The fact that he vanished and didn't even comment on the lynch result makes it seem like he really wasn't invested in the lynch (and given his posting at the time, this means he's scum). Furthermore, now that most suspicion is off of him and he's gone, that seems scummy.

Of course, he could simply be busy (skeptical that he wouldn't even post after the lynch, though?), but I don't really want to mention this in-thread now, to see what he does? But I'm getting more suspicious of him.

Edit: Despite the green check, I still think that deconduo is scum. Pending reading his meta, but I'm just so surprised that he comes back and only made one post. He isn't asking people to lynch Hopeless1der, he isn't berating people for lynching town, he isn't scumreading people who are wrong, he's just making a conditional townread on someone based on a flip which I think will go the other way from his conditional townread.

I don't get the impression that he was invested in the lynch yesterday. This isn't a post-lynch reaction that I find plausible.

Edit 2: Were deconduo town, I'd expect him to be doing much more. From Tropical Storm Mafia, he seems more like the kind of player who would use a green check to have freedom to push and do whatever he wants in the thread and be happy with it, not the kind of player who uses it as an excuse to do nothing. He's barely done anything since the green check, no excuses or anything. Seems to be avoiding attention and skating by on the green check without being invested in the game.

If I'm really mafia siding 100% here I'll be sad

Am I being really stupid?

I don't think this deconduo thing is a smart idea.

Statistically it's bad to go after him because there's 3 mafia out of 9 people here, even if he is mafia it's still 2/8 for mafia, and with us being confirmed it's more like 2/6.

You have a better chance of hitting 33% mafia in 2/6 than to hit a green cop check.

Ignore him and focus on the other two mafia (or three, if the check is actually correct). I'm not saying you're wrong, even if you're right it's still a bad idea to push.

I agree, it's not something I want to deal with now, but I wanted to share my reasoning because I was worried about being vig shot.

I think that I mostly believe Vivax's claim. I do think that it's balanced to have two minor roles and masons (limiting the number of shots allows this). Also, with the 14 player 2 kp Night 1 setup, there's a slightly reduced chance of hitting scum on the Day 1 lynch and a slightly increased chance of using investigative night actions against players who are dying Night 1, which helps to balance the game.