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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
September 01 2015 01:53 GMT
#2821
On September 01 2015 10:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2015 10:49 Trfel wrote:
On September 01 2015 09:41 Vivax wrote:
This game is really starting to get me mad cause we could have resolved this mason bullshit on last day and now instead we're stuck with Trfel and Palmar and Trfel keeps trying to push a mislynch on me and noone still is sure whether their claim is true.

Good to know you realize that I am in fact scumreading you.

Would you care to explain why my read is wrong?

do u want to understand why exactly u claimed mason like 10 min in the end of D2?
I already understand exactly why I claimed mason when I did. It would be pretty terrible for me to do something without having any reasoning behind it at all.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 01 2015 01:55 GMT
#2822
On September 01 2015 10:53 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2015 10:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On September 01 2015 10:49 Trfel wrote:
On September 01 2015 09:41 Vivax wrote:
This game is really starting to get me mad cause we could have resolved this mason bullshit on last day and now instead we're stuck with Trfel and Palmar and Trfel keeps trying to push a mislynch on me and noone still is sure whether their claim is true.

Good to know you realize that I am in fact scumreading you.

Would you care to explain why my read is wrong?

do u want to understand why exactly u claimed mason like 10 min in the end of D2?
I already understand exactly why I claimed mason when I did. It would be pretty terrible for me to do something without having any reasoning behind it at all.

then plz enlighten me or i entertain the notion of vivax's blue claim.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
September 01 2015 02:00 GMT
#2823
On September 01 2015 10:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2015 10:53 Trfel wrote:
On September 01 2015 10:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On September 01 2015 10:49 Trfel wrote:
On September 01 2015 09:41 Vivax wrote:
This game is really starting to get me mad cause we could have resolved this mason bullshit on last day and now instead we're stuck with Trfel and Palmar and Trfel keeps trying to push a mislynch on me and noone still is sure whether their claim is true.

Good to know you realize that I am in fact scumreading you.

Would you care to explain why my read is wrong?

do u want to understand why exactly u claimed mason like 10 min in the end of D2?
I already understand exactly why I claimed mason when I did. It would be pretty terrible for me to do something without having any reasoning behind it at all.

then plz enlighten me or i entertain the notion of vivax's blue claim.
I strongly suggest you entertain both.

I think that I mostly believe Vivax's claim. I do think that it's balanced to have two minor roles and masons (limiting the number of shots allows this). Also, with the 14 player 2 kp Night 1 setup, there's a slightly reduced chance of hitting scum on the Day 1 lynch and a slightly increased chance of using investigative night actions against players who are dying Night 1, which helps to balance the game.


As for the events surrounding End of Day 2, all I have are real life excuses. With TL going down (combined with church and other things), I only had 45 minutes to read the thread before the deadline (as I stated the night before). I ended up being dragged into some board games and wasn't really able to read or follow the thread.

You can see this as I asked for a vote count (despite one already being posted in the voting thread). I only claimed mason when Palmar was the leading wagon, because if Palmar isn't being lynched, there is no need to claim. I did not expect people to actually want to lynch Palmar on a weekend, and I am capable of avoiding being lynched without a mason claim, so I did not want to claim earlier.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 01 2015 02:00 GMT
#2824
I will look at KSC's alignment. And then I will decide from there. But I'm pretty sure on my decision tree depending on his flip. And if things turn out as everyone is saying they will then...

...

well this game was fun.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 01 2015 02:01 GMT
#2825
On September 01 2015 11:00 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2015 10:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On September 01 2015 10:53 Trfel wrote:
On September 01 2015 10:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On September 01 2015 10:49 Trfel wrote:
On September 01 2015 09:41 Vivax wrote:
This game is really starting to get me mad cause we could have resolved this mason bullshit on last day and now instead we're stuck with Trfel and Palmar and Trfel keeps trying to push a mislynch on me and noone still is sure whether their claim is true.

Good to know you realize that I am in fact scumreading you.

Would you care to explain why my read is wrong?

do u want to understand why exactly u claimed mason like 10 min in the end of D2?
I already understand exactly why I claimed mason when I did. It would be pretty terrible for me to do something without having any reasoning behind it at all.

then plz enlighten me or i entertain the notion of vivax's blue claim.
I strongly suggest you entertain both.

Show nested quote +
I think that I mostly believe Vivax's claim. I do think that it's balanced to have two minor roles and masons (limiting the number of shots allows this). Also, with the 14 player 2 kp Night 1 setup, there's a slightly reduced chance of hitting scum on the Day 1 lynch and a slightly increased chance of using investigative night actions against players who are dying Night 1, which helps to balance the game.


As for the events surrounding End of Day 2, all I have are real life excuses. With TL going down (combined with church and other things), I only had 45 minutes to read the thread before the deadline (as I stated the night before). I ended up being dragged into some board games and wasn't really able to read or follow the thread.

You can see this as I asked for a vote count (despite one already being posted in the voting thread). I only claimed mason when Palmar was the leading wagon, because if Palmar isn't being lynched, there is no need to claim. I did not expect people to actually want to lynch Palmar on a weekend, and I am capable of avoiding being lynched without a mason claim, so I did not want to claim earlier.

why did u encourage the hopeless lynch. last question.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
September 01 2015 02:02 GMT
#2826
On September 01 2015 11:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I will look at KSC's alignment. And then I will decide from there. But I'm pretty sure on my decision tree depending on his flip. And if things turn out as everyone is saying they will then...

...

well this game was fun.
Why does KelsierSC's flip have any major implications? I would think that it would only really provide hints as to Mr. Cheesecake's alignment?

Plus, there is no chance at all that he is town here, so there is no reason to wait for the flip to continue playing the game.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
September 01 2015 02:04 GMT
#2827
On September 01 2015 11:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2015 11:00 Trfel wrote:
On September 01 2015 10:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On September 01 2015 10:53 Trfel wrote:
On September 01 2015 10:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On September 01 2015 10:49 Trfel wrote:
On September 01 2015 09:41 Vivax wrote:
This game is really starting to get me mad cause we could have resolved this mason bullshit on last day and now instead we're stuck with Trfel and Palmar and Trfel keeps trying to push a mislynch on me and noone still is sure whether their claim is true.

Good to know you realize that I am in fact scumreading you.

Would you care to explain why my read is wrong?

do u want to understand why exactly u claimed mason like 10 min in the end of D2?
I already understand exactly why I claimed mason when I did. It would be pretty terrible for me to do something without having any reasoning behind it at all.

then plz enlighten me or i entertain the notion of vivax's blue claim.
I strongly suggest you entertain both.

I think that I mostly believe Vivax's claim. I do think that it's balanced to have two minor roles and masons (limiting the number of shots allows this). Also, with the 14 player 2 kp Night 1 setup, there's a slightly reduced chance of hitting scum on the Day 1 lynch and a slightly increased chance of using investigative night actions against players who are dying Night 1, which helps to balance the game.


As for the events surrounding End of Day 2, all I have are real life excuses. With TL going down (combined with church and other things), I only had 45 minutes to read the thread before the deadline (as I stated the night before). I ended up being dragged into some board games and wasn't really able to read or follow the thread.

You can see this as I asked for a vote count (despite one already being posted in the voting thread). I only claimed mason when Palmar was the leading wagon, because if Palmar isn't being lynched, there is no need to claim. I did not expect people to actually want to lynch Palmar on a weekend, and I am capable of avoiding being lynched without a mason claim, so I did not want to claim earlier.

why did u encourage the hopeless lynch. last question.
I knew that Palmar was town, I was never going to lynch him no matter what.

I had a townread on Mr. Cheesecake for reasons I described the night before.

I had a light town lean on Hopeless1der, but not as strong as my townread on Mr. Cheesecake. Plus, Hopeless1der was far less active/helpful than Mr. Cheesecake (one of the most helpful players at the time), so if I had to lynch between them I would far prefer to lynch Hopeless1der.

My preferred lynch would have been Vivax. You can see all of this in my list post I made the night before End of Day.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 01 2015 02:05 GMT
#2828
wow ok that explanation was a lot more lackluster than i thought
-shrugs-
ok
i might have questions tomorrow or something
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
September 01 2015 02:07 GMT
#2829
Trfel if you acknowledge my blue claim you also have to acknowledge that 1. you have to bring the proof that JAT requested and 2. in case the proof seems credible that you are either mafia or masons one of you has to be lynched at some point to get rid of any doubt.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
September 01 2015 02:08 GMT
#2830
On September 01 2015 11:02 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2015 11:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I will look at KSC's alignment. And then I will decide from there. But I'm pretty sure on my decision tree depending on his flip. And if things turn out as everyone is saying they will then...

...

well this game was fun.
Why does KelsierSC's flip have any major implications? I would think that it would only really provide hints as to Mr. Cheesecake's alignment?

Plus, there is no chance at all that he is town here, so there is no reason to wait for the flip to continue playing the game.
Please answer my question.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 01 2015 02:09 GMT
#2831
On September 01 2015 11:08 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2015 11:02 Trfel wrote:
On September 01 2015 11:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I will look at KSC's alignment. And then I will decide from there. But I'm pretty sure on my decision tree depending on his flip. And if things turn out as everyone is saying they will then...

...

well this game was fun.
Why does KelsierSC's flip have any major implications? I would think that it would only really provide hints as to Mr. Cheesecake's alignment?

Plus, there is no chance at all that he is town here, so there is no reason to wait for the flip to continue playing the game.
Please answer my question.

srry im like half writing up a case during splegg lobby down times. but like yeah im writing it up.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
September 01 2015 02:17 GMT
#2832
On September 01 2015 11:07 Vivax wrote:
Trfel if you acknowledge my blue claim you also have to acknowledge that 1. you have to bring the proof that JAT requested and 2. in case the proof seems credible that you are either mafia or masons one of you has to be lynched at some point to get rid of any doubt.
I did not see justanothertownie request anything. I'm assuming you mean Mr. Cheesecake?

Also, it seems that my wording is unclear. I readily accept your blue claim is acceptable in a balanced game, I don't think that this makes it true, though. I still need to take a more careful look at the mafia motivation and your claimed breadcrumb, which I'll do when I have a better internet connection.

I'm naturally inclined to believe your claim because your tone feels towny and it means that I'm wrong, and I'm very good at being wrong. But I'm not convinced.

+ Show Spoiler [Mason QT] +
Trfel
Hello.

Sorry, I was taking a nap.

I'm hoping to play semi-seriously this game.

What is the general strategy for interacting with and making reads on one's mason partner in the thread? I don't have any experience with being a mason.
Trfel
A little suspicious of boxerfred and VisceraEyes, I'm not so good at tone reading so I don't really have much in general.
Trfel
Okay, not really suspicious of VisceraEyes any more, but I'll push it a little anyway to see if things start happening.
Palmar
Hi, forgot about this.

I want to lynch JAT.
Palmar
I'm just going to claim a cop check on you as town if you're ever in danger.

I don't even care.
Trfel
I don't expect to seriously come under pressure, but I suppose it might happen.

But is that wise? If we do have a cop, that could be really counterproductive. Wouldn't it be better to just claim masons?

And I think I am willing to lynch justanothertownie as well, but he's just so stubborn, I might be able to see him acting like this from town (I don't think so, but maybe). I'll need to reread first.

Edit: Also, I suppose I've learned that if I am going to breadcrumb mason in the future, don't do it in a really disruptive way that messes with the thread for 30+ pages.
Trfel
I'm not certain that Hopeless1der is mafia, though I think it's an okay chance. Either way, I think that pressuring him here won't negatively impact how easy it is to read him, and should be very interesting to see what stances people take on it.

Alternatively, I'm being a complete moron, which I would blame on not playing a game seriously as town in quite some time.
Palmar
I'm not gonna breadcrumb anything, just gonna hard defend you all the time.
Palmar
I'm bad at this btw.

I am waffling hard on jat = mafia at the moment. But my early read was so strong that I don't know if I should abandon it.

There is mafia under the radar:

WoS
VE
Vivax
BF
Deconduo
CC
Trfel
I definitely agree.

Will now attempt to read the thread XD
Trfel
With the assumption that there are multiple mafia among the lurkers, they don't seem to be pushed to action. This makes me think that this would make justanothertownie more likely to be town?

I think that dropping the justanothertownie push would force more people to do things (if justanothertownie is in fact town) and I also think that he would be a bit easier to read by seeing what he does with some more space.
Trfel
Vivax is likely mafia here. I know he's done this thing in some of his last several town games where he intentionally plays badly to make it easier for him to play as mafia. However, in Gaiden 1, he played a bit more, and when town needed him later in the game he stepped up (and then I proceeded to throw anyway, but let's ignore that).

Here, I don't see him referencing the fact that he hasn't really been playing at all. He isn't apologetic at all. And I think that this is more likely to come from mafia!Vivax, based on what I've seen from town!Vivax's meta. It sort of feels like he's playing to draw the least amount of attention to himself (lots of simple questions, good balance between thread sentiment/opposite reads, etc).

Edit: But this all depends on what he does when people start talking about lynching him. Which is why I don't want to put it in the thread at this time.

Am I being really stupid?
Trfel
Eh

I'll do some more stuff tonight.
Trfel
Maybe rsoultin is mafia?
Palmar
I have very little clue.

Marv is not confirmed

But the best strategy is probably to just lynch a lot into the inactives and bads.
Trfel
I don't understand, I seem to be playing very, very badly but I'm actually not sure what I'm doing wrong?

What am I doing wrong/what do I need to do differently?
Trfel
Hm, deconduo is starting to worry me. The fact that he vanished and didn't even comment on the lynch result makes it seem like he really wasn't invested in the lynch (and given his posting at the time, this means he's scum). Furthermore, now that most suspicion is off of him and he's gone, that seems scummy.

Of course, he could simply be busy (skeptical that he wouldn't even post after the lynch, though?), but I don't really want to mention this in-thread now, to see what he does? But I'm getting more suspicious of him.

Edit: Despite the green check, I still think that deconduo is scum. Pending reading his meta, but I'm just so surprised that he comes back and only made one post. He isn't asking people to lynch Hopeless1der, he isn't berating people for lynching town, he isn't scumreading people who are wrong, he's just making a conditional townread on someone based on a flip which I think will go the other way from his conditional townread.

I don't get the impression that he was invested in the lynch yesterday. This isn't a post-lynch reaction that I find plausible.

Edit 2: Were deconduo town, I'd expect him to be doing much more. From Tropical Storm Mafia, he seems more like the kind of player who would use a green check to have freedom to push and do whatever he wants in the thread and be happy with it, not the kind of player who uses it as an excuse to do nothing. He's barely done anything since the green check, no excuses or anything. Seems to be avoiding attention and skating by on the green check without being invested in the game.
Trfel
If I'm really mafia siding 100% here I'll be sad

Am I being really stupid?
Palmar
I don't think this deconduo thing is a smart idea.

Statistically it's bad to go after him because there's 3 mafia out of 9 people here, even if he is mafia it's still 2/8 for mafia, and with us being confirmed it's more like 2/6.

You have a better chance of hitting 33% mafia in 2/6 than to hit a green cop check.

Ignore him and focus on the other two mafia (or three, if the check is actually correct). I'm not saying you're wrong, even if you're right it's still a bad idea to push.
Trfel
I agree, it's not something I want to deal with now, but I wanted to share my reasoning because I was worried about being vig shot.
Trfel
I think that I mostly believe Vivax's claim. I do think that it's balanced to have two minor roles and masons (limiting the number of shots allows this). Also, with the 14 player 2 kp Night 1 setup, there's a slightly reduced chance of hitting scum on the Day 1 lynch and a slightly increased chance of using investigative night actions against players who are dying Night 1, which helps to balance the game.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
September 01 2015 02:18 GMT
#2833
On September 01 2015 11:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2015 11:08 Trfel wrote:
On September 01 2015 11:02 Trfel wrote:
On September 01 2015 11:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I will look at KSC's alignment. And then I will decide from there. But I'm pretty sure on my decision tree depending on his flip. And if things turn out as everyone is saying they will then...

...

well this game was fun.
Why does KelsierSC's flip have any major implications? I would think that it would only really provide hints as to Mr. Cheesecake's alignment?

Plus, there is no chance at all that he is town here, so there is no reason to wait for the flip to continue playing the game.
Please answer my question.

srry im like half writing up a case during splegg lobby down times. but like yeah im writing it up.
Sorry, it's not a rush. I didn't mean to come off as harsh, I just thought you were ignoring my one question after I answered like five of yours XD
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
September 01 2015 02:36 GMT
#2834
Took you a while to post the real deal. Now it just needs an approximate time of each post cause if I spot any inconsistency I'm getting you lynched until one of you flips mason, and both if one flips mafia.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
September 01 2015 02:36 GMT
#2835
And afaik the suggestion with the complex equation came from JAT:
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
September 01 2015 02:41 GMT
#2836
On September 01 2015 11:36 Vivax wrote:
And afaik the suggestion with the complex equation came from JAT:
That suggestion also came from Mr. Cheesecake, and it's extremely stupid. We are either both masons, or both mafia, but either way we have a QT together.

I'm not allowed to post time stamps, give me a few minutes and I'll look up the first post in each phase.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 01 2015 02:41 GMT
#2837
On September 01 2015 11:41 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2015 11:36 Vivax wrote:
And afaik the suggestion with the complex equation came from JAT:
That suggestion also came from Mr. Cheesecake, and it's extremely stupid. We are either both masons, or both mafia, but either way we have a QT together.

I'm not allowed to post time stamps, give me a few minutes and I'll look up the first post in each phase.


That didn't come from me.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
September 01 2015 02:47 GMT
#2838
+ Show Spoiler [Mason QT] +
Day 1
Trfel
Hello.

Sorry, I was taking a nap.

I'm hoping to play semi-seriously this game.

What is the general strategy for interacting with and making reads on one's mason partner in the thread? I don't have any experience with being a mason.
Trfel
A little suspicious of boxerfred and VisceraEyes, I'm not so good at tone reading so I don't really have much in general.
Trfel
Okay, not really suspicious of VisceraEyes any more, but I'll push it a little anyway to see if things start happening.
Palmar
Hi, forgot about this.

I want to lynch JAT.
Palmar
I'm just going to claim a cop check on you as town if you're ever in danger.

I don't even care.
Trfel
I don't expect to seriously come under pressure, but I suppose it might happen.

But is that wise? If we do have a cop, that could be really counterproductive. Wouldn't it be better to just claim masons?

And I think I am willing to lynch justanothertownie as well, but he's just so stubborn, I might be able to see him acting like this from town (I don't think so, but maybe). I'll need to reread first.

Edit: Also, I suppose I've learned that if I am going to breadcrumb mason in the future, don't do it in a really disruptive way that messes with the thread for 30+ pages.
Trfel
I'm not certain that Hopeless1der is mafia, though I think it's an okay chance. Either way, I think that pressuring him here won't negatively impact how easy it is to read him, and should be very interesting to see what stances people take on it.

Alternatively, I'm being a complete moron, which I would blame on not playing a game seriously as town in quite some time.
Palmar
I'm not gonna breadcrumb anything, just gonna hard defend you all the time.
Palmar
I'm bad at this btw.

I am waffling hard on jat = mafia at the moment. But my early read was so strong that I don't know if I should abandon it.

There is mafia under the radar:

WoS
VE
Vivax
BF
Deconduo
CC
Trfel
I definitely agree.

Will now attempt to read the thread XD
Trfel
With the assumption that there are multiple mafia among the lurkers, they don't seem to be pushed to action. This makes me think that this would make justanothertownie more likely to be town?

I think that dropping the justanothertownie push would force more people to do things (if justanothertownie is in fact town) and I also think that he would be a bit easier to read by seeing what he does with some more space.
Trfel
Vivax is likely mafia here. I know he's done this thing in some of his last several town games where he intentionally plays badly to make it easier for him to play as mafia. However, in Gaiden 1, he played a bit more, and when town needed him later in the game he stepped up (and then I proceeded to throw anyway, but let's ignore that).

Here, I don't see him referencing the fact that he hasn't really been playing at all. He isn't apologetic at all. And I think that this is more likely to come from mafia!Vivax, based on what I've seen from town!Vivax's meta. It sort of feels like he's playing to draw the least amount of attention to himself (lots of simple questions, good balance between thread sentiment/opposite reads, etc).

Edit: But this all depends on what he does when people start talking about lynching him. Which is why I don't want to put it in the thread at this time.

Am I being really stupid?
Night 1
Trfel
Eh

I'll do some more stuff tonight.
Trfel
Maybe rsoultin is mafia?
Palmar
I have very little clue.

Marv is not confirmed

But the best strategy is probably to just lynch a lot into the inactives and bads.
Trfel
I don't understand, I seem to be playing very, very badly but I'm actually not sure what I'm doing wrong?

What am I doing wrong/what do I need to do differently?
Trfel
Hm, deconduo is starting to worry me. The fact that he vanished and didn't even comment on the lynch result makes it seem like he really wasn't invested in the lynch (and given his posting at the time, this means he's scum). Furthermore, now that most suspicion is off of him and he's gone, that seems scummy.

Of course, he could simply be busy (skeptical that he wouldn't even post after the lynch, though?), but I don't really want to mention this in-thread now, to see what he does? But I'm getting more suspicious of him.

Edit: Despite the green check, I still think that deconduo is scum. Pending reading his meta, but I'm just so surprised that he comes back and only made one post. He isn't asking people to lynch Hopeless1der, he isn't berating people for lynching town, he isn't scumreading people who are wrong, he's just making a conditional townread on someone based on a flip which I think will go the other way from his conditional townread.

I don't get the impression that he was invested in the lynch yesterday. This isn't a post-lynch reaction that I find plausible.

Edit 2: Were deconduo town, I'd expect him to be doing much more. From Tropical Storm Mafia, he seems more like the kind of player who would use a green check to have freedom to push and do whatever he wants in the thread and be happy with it, not the kind of player who uses it as an excuse to do nothing. He's barely done anything since the green check, no excuses or anything. Seems to be avoiding attention and skating by on the green check without being invested in the game.
Day 2
Trfel
If I'm really mafia siding 100% here I'll be sad

Am I being really stupid?
Night 2
Palmar
I don't think this deconduo thing is a smart idea.

Statistically it's bad to go after him because there's 3 mafia out of 9 people here, even if he is mafia it's still 2/8 for mafia, and with us being confirmed it's more like 2/6.

You have a better chance of hitting 33% mafia in 2/6 than to hit a green cop check.

Ignore him and focus on the other two mafia (or three, if the check is actually correct). I'm not saying you're wrong, even if you're right it's still a bad idea to push.
Trfel
I agree, it's not something I want to deal with now, but I wanted to share my reasoning because I was worried about being vig shot.
Day 3
Trfel
I think that I mostly believe Vivax's claim. I do think that it's balanced to have two minor roles and masons (limiting the number of shots allows this). Also, with the 14 player 2 kp Night 1 setup, there's a slightly reduced chance of hitting scum on the Day 1 lynch and a slightly increased chance of using investigative night actions against players who are dying Night 1, which helps to balance the game.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
September 01 2015 02:47 GMT
#2839
On September 01 2015 11:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2015 11:41 Trfel wrote:
On September 01 2015 11:36 Vivax wrote:
And afaik the suggestion with the complex equation came from JAT:
That suggestion also came from Mr. Cheesecake, and it's extremely stupid. We are either both masons, or both mafia, but either way we have a QT together.

I'm not allowed to post time stamps, give me a few minutes and I'll look up the first post in each phase.


That didn't come from me.
Right, that was deconduo, sorry.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 01 2015 03:01 GMT
#2840
Man, call me tunneled but I just can't help but feel chills over Mr. CC.

Cheesycakes. What do you think of Trfel/Palmar vs Vivax situation. Which claim do you believe in right now.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
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