• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:13
CET 23:13
KST 07:13
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy7ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool48Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12
StarCraft 2
General
Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?
Tourneys
WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open RSL Season 4 announced for March-April WardiTV Team League Season 10
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death
Brood War
General
Gypsy to Korea mca64Launcher - New Version with StarCraft: Remast BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Soulkey's decision to leave C9 How much money terran looses from gas steal?
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro24 Group C [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group B 2026 Changsha Offline Cup
Strategy
What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Darkest Dungeon Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Cricket [SPORT] 2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1761 users

TL Mafia LXXII: Gaiden 2 - Page 102

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 100 101 102 103 104 163 Next
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
August 28 2015 14:37 GMT
#2021
Like from my perspective it's like this: I thought you were pretty townie early on yesterday. Some disagree (some strongly) but the point is that from my perspective, you hadn't done anything really scummy at all. So when Palmar sees his partner Trfel say something that could be construed as super townie, he could jump on that opportunity to "hard confirm" him as town the way he likes to do, and that in turn makes you look "super scummy" for pushing on him. It's a world that exists, and I'm not giving up on it just because you don't think it's likely...but I do concede that it's not as airtight as I'd like.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 28 2015 14:37 GMT
#2022
On August 28 2015 23:31 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 23:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Town: VE, marv, JAT, rsoultin, Vivax
Town lean: KelsierSC, MrCC
Mafia lean: Moosy, Hopeless
Mafia: Trfel, Palmar

Everyone else is very null. Even Wave, which is really disconcerting. I feel like I'm probably wrong somewhere in my mafia reads, and if I'm wrong on more than one I'd probably put Wave as a mafia lean at this point for being so forgettable.

You actually think Trfel could be scum with Palmar? It seems very unlikely to me that Palmar would associate this heavily with a mafia partner.

lol, if i could think of anyone who has zero problems with massively tying himself to people (whether his team-mates or a townie) as mafia, Palmar would be one
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
August 28 2015 14:38 GMT
#2023
YAY I got to mindmeld with marv once this game ^^
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
August 28 2015 14:39 GMT
#2024
On August 28 2015 23:37 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 23:31 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 28 2015 23:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Town: VE, marv, JAT, rsoultin, Vivax
Town lean: KelsierSC, MrCC
Mafia lean: Moosy, Hopeless
Mafia: Trfel, Palmar

Everyone else is very null. Even Wave, which is really disconcerting. I feel like I'm probably wrong somewhere in my mafia reads, and if I'm wrong on more than one I'd probably put Wave as a mafia lean at this point for being so forgettable.

You actually think Trfel could be scum with Palmar? It seems very unlikely to me that Palmar would associate this heavily with a mafia partner.

lol, if i could think of anyone who has zero problems with massively tying himself to people (whether his team-mates or a townie) as mafia, Palmar would be one

Not like this I don't think.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
August 28 2015 14:41 GMT
#2025
On August 28 2015 23:36 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I don't know what you want me to say Marv. Too many townreads, wrong about the only mafia read he has, it's a bad fucking post.

meh, it's just not how i read it

so he's wrong, so what? and he knows he has too many townreads. i think the explanations for why he came to some of them read ok.

Do you have specific reads in there (other than the one on you) where you disagree with how he arrived at a certain conclusion?

If I may answer this too - I don't necessarily disagree with anything but all his reads are extremely superficial and easy so there isn't much to disagree with.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
August 28 2015 14:41 GMT
#2026
On August 28 2015 23:36 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I don't know what you want me to say Marv. Too many townreads, wrong about the only mafia read he has, it's a bad fucking post.

meh, it's just not how i read it

so he's wrong, so what? and he knows he has too many townreads. i think the explanations for why he came to some of them read ok.

Do you have specific reads in there (other than the one on you) where you disagree with how he arrived at a certain conclusion?

Over half the reads in there don't have any thought-process leading to them. If you have specific ones that you think are good that would be the place to start, but like, Kels: no reason given - Palmar/marv: no reason given - rsoultin: no reason given - VE: no reason given
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 28 2015 14:42 GMT
#2027
On August 28 2015 23:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 23:37 marvellosity wrote:
On August 28 2015 23:31 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 28 2015 23:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Town: VE, marv, JAT, rsoultin, Vivax
Town lean: KelsierSC, MrCC
Mafia lean: Moosy, Hopeless
Mafia: Trfel, Palmar

Everyone else is very null. Even Wave, which is really disconcerting. I feel like I'm probably wrong somewhere in my mafia reads, and if I'm wrong on more than one I'd probably put Wave as a mafia lean at this point for being so forgettable.

You actually think Trfel could be scum with Palmar? It seems very unlikely to me that Palmar would associate this heavily with a mafia partner.

lol, if i could think of anyone who has zero problems with massively tying himself to people (whether his team-mates or a townie) as mafia, Palmar would be one

Not like this I don't think.

i do

i know precisely why you think what you think, i just don't agree

there was a game not so long ago where i was mafia with Palmar and i got quite annoyed he boxed himself into a corner because of how he tied himself to certain people, it's very anti-intuitive.

he'll say himself that he'll hard townread his scumbuddies for no reason and then use these hard townreads to attack other people, just ask him
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 28 2015 14:43 GMT
#2028
On August 28 2015 23:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 23:36 marvellosity wrote:
On August 28 2015 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I don't know what you want me to say Marv. Too many townreads, wrong about the only mafia read he has, it's a bad fucking post.

meh, it's just not how i read it

so he's wrong, so what? and he knows he has too many townreads. i think the explanations for why he came to some of them read ok.

Do you have specific reads in there (other than the one on you) where you disagree with how he arrived at a certain conclusion?

Over half the reads in there don't have any thought-process leading to them. If you have specific ones that you think are good that would be the place to start, but like, Kels: no reason given - Palmar/marv: no reason given - rsoultin: no reason given - VE: no reason given

my question was more to do with the reasoning he gave on the ones that he did give

i guess i'll retract a few townie points anyway as 2 people are saying they don't see it my way
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
August 28 2015 14:44 GMT
#2029
On August 28 2015 23:42 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 23:39 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 28 2015 23:37 marvellosity wrote:
On August 28 2015 23:31 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 28 2015 23:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Town: VE, marv, JAT, rsoultin, Vivax
Town lean: KelsierSC, MrCC
Mafia lean: Moosy, Hopeless
Mafia: Trfel, Palmar

Everyone else is very null. Even Wave, which is really disconcerting. I feel like I'm probably wrong somewhere in my mafia reads, and if I'm wrong on more than one I'd probably put Wave as a mafia lean at this point for being so forgettable.

You actually think Trfel could be scum with Palmar? It seems very unlikely to me that Palmar would associate this heavily with a mafia partner.

lol, if i could think of anyone who has zero problems with massively tying himself to people (whether his team-mates or a townie) as mafia, Palmar would be one

Not like this I don't think.

i do

i know precisely why you think what you think, i just don't agree

there was a game not so long ago where i was mafia with Palmar and i got quite annoyed he boxed himself into a corner because of how he tied himself to certain people, it's very anti-intuitive.

he'll say himself that he'll hard townread his scumbuddies for no reason and then use these hard townreads to attack other people, just ask him

Are you talking about an offside game?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
August 28 2015 14:46 GMT
#2030
On August 28 2015 23:43 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 23:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
On August 28 2015 23:36 marvellosity wrote:
On August 28 2015 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I don't know what you want me to say Marv. Too many townreads, wrong about the only mafia read he has, it's a bad fucking post.

meh, it's just not how i read it

so he's wrong, so what? and he knows he has too many townreads. i think the explanations for why he came to some of them read ok.

Do you have specific reads in there (other than the one on you) where you disagree with how he arrived at a certain conclusion?

Over half the reads in there don't have any thought-process leading to them. If you have specific ones that you think are good that would be the place to start, but like, Kels: no reason given - Palmar/marv: no reason given - rsoultin: no reason given - VE: no reason given

my question was more to do with the reasoning he gave on the ones that he did give

i guess i'll retract a few townie points anyway as 2 people are saying they don't see it my way

To clarify: I don't think that post is that scummy. Only that it isn't exactly a towny revelation.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 28 2015 14:46 GMT
#2031
no, i think it was here. although it may have been longer ago than i thought, mafia-time all blends into one
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
August 28 2015 14:47 GMT
#2032
I can only remember assassination and there he did tie himself to sandroba exactly like he did to me here but that's a totally different thing.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
August 28 2015 14:48 GMT
#2033
He does it as both alignments, sometimes wrongly, but he almost ALWAYS does it, every game. Call someone hard town for something, then attack people attacking them. It's like his Power Move.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
August 28 2015 14:49 GMT
#2034
The point is you should try and read him off something else, and off everything else Palmar looks like scum.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 28 2015 14:50 GMT
#2035
On August 28 2015 23:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
The point is you should try and read him off something else, and off everything else Palmar looks like scum.

are you seriously telling me you haven't seen towngames like this off him?

can you show one of his mafiagames that looks like this one?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
August 28 2015 14:51 GMT
#2036
On August 28 2015 23:50 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 23:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
The point is you should try and read him off something else, and off everything else Palmar looks like scum.

are you seriously telling me you haven't seen towngames like this off him?

can you show one of his mafiagames that looks like this one?

Assassination to a degree.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
August 28 2015 14:52 GMT
#2037
Yo I don't know if it looks like his MAFIAGAME. I'm saying that here in THIS game everything I've seen from him feels like mafia. I'll leave the meta shit for you marv, that's your thing. My thing is reading thread actions in the CURRENT game. And based on that, I think Palmar is mafia.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 28 2015 14:53 GMT
#2038
On August 28 2015 23:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yo I don't know if it looks like his MAFIAGAME. I'm saying that here in THIS game everything I've seen from him feels like mafia. I'll leave the meta shit for you marv, that's your thing. My thing is reading thread actions in the CURRENT game. And based on that, I think Palmar is mafia.

i think that's lazy.

you've played zillions of games with him too, and disregarding your wealth of experience with how he plays is quite frankly ludicrous.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
August 28 2015 14:54 GMT
#2039
On August 28 2015 23:53 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 23:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yo I don't know if it looks like his MAFIAGAME. I'm saying that here in THIS game everything I've seen from him feels like mafia. I'll leave the meta shit for you marv, that's your thing. My thing is reading thread actions in the CURRENT game. And based on that, I think Palmar is mafia.

i think that's lazy.

you've played zillions of games with him too, and disregarding your wealth of experience with how he plays is quite frankly ludicrous.

I'm not disregarding anything, if you'll notice I pull from my experience with him to make the reads I am. I'm just not comparing this game ON THE WHOLE to any other game ON THE WHOLE because I'm god-awful at that kind of thing.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
August 28 2015 14:55 GMT
#2040
I fucking dare you to disagree with me on that marv, I've NEVER been able to correctly assess someone's alignment by comparing this game with another.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Prev 1 100 101 102 103 104 163 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
18:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #18
SteadfastSC179
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Liquid`TLO 328
SteadfastSC 179
UpATreeSC 122
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 9516
Backho 77
soO 22
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0176
Other Games
summit1g7908
tarik_tv4172
Grubby2192
shahzam461
mouzStarbuck365
ViBE25
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1838
BasetradeTV157
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta12
• Reevou 5
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 41
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21376
• WagamamaTV723
• lizZardDota281
League of Legends
• Doublelift2471
Other Games
• imaqtpie745
• Scarra555
• Shiphtur123
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
1h 47m
WardiTV Team League
13h 47m
Big Brain Bouts
18h 47m
Fjant vs SortOf
YoungYakov vs Krystianer
Reynor vs HeRoMaRinE
RSL Revival
1d 11h
Cure vs Zoun
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Team League
1d 13h
Platinum Heroes Events
1d 16h
BSL
1d 21h
RSL Revival
2 days
ByuN vs Maru
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
WardiTV Team League
2 days
BSL
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Light vs Calm
Royal vs Mind
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
OSC
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Rush vs PianO
Flash vs Speed
Replay Cast
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
BeSt vs Leta
Queen vs Jaedong
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-25
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

2026 Changsha Offline CUP
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.