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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
August 28 2015 14:37 GMT
#2021
Like from my perspective it's like this: I thought you were pretty townie early on yesterday. Some disagree (some strongly) but the point is that from my perspective, you hadn't done anything really scummy at all. So when Palmar sees his partner Trfel say something that could be construed as super townie, he could jump on that opportunity to "hard confirm" him as town the way he likes to do, and that in turn makes you look "super scummy" for pushing on him. It's a world that exists, and I'm not giving up on it just because you don't think it's likely...but I do concede that it's not as airtight as I'd like.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 28 2015 14:37 GMT
#2022
On August 28 2015 23:31 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 23:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Town: VE, marv, JAT, rsoultin, Vivax
Town lean: KelsierSC, MrCC
Mafia lean: Moosy, Hopeless
Mafia: Trfel, Palmar

Everyone else is very null. Even Wave, which is really disconcerting. I feel like I'm probably wrong somewhere in my mafia reads, and if I'm wrong on more than one I'd probably put Wave as a mafia lean at this point for being so forgettable.

You actually think Trfel could be scum with Palmar? It seems very unlikely to me that Palmar would associate this heavily with a mafia partner.

lol, if i could think of anyone who has zero problems with massively tying himself to people (whether his team-mates or a townie) as mafia, Palmar would be one
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
August 28 2015 14:38 GMT
#2023
YAY I got to mindmeld with marv once this game ^^
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 28 2015 14:39 GMT
#2024
On August 28 2015 23:37 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 23:31 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 28 2015 23:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Town: VE, marv, JAT, rsoultin, Vivax
Town lean: KelsierSC, MrCC
Mafia lean: Moosy, Hopeless
Mafia: Trfel, Palmar

Everyone else is very null. Even Wave, which is really disconcerting. I feel like I'm probably wrong somewhere in my mafia reads, and if I'm wrong on more than one I'd probably put Wave as a mafia lean at this point for being so forgettable.

You actually think Trfel could be scum with Palmar? It seems very unlikely to me that Palmar would associate this heavily with a mafia partner.

lol, if i could think of anyone who has zero problems with massively tying himself to people (whether his team-mates or a townie) as mafia, Palmar would be one

Not like this I don't think.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 28 2015 14:41 GMT
#2025
On August 28 2015 23:36 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I don't know what you want me to say Marv. Too many townreads, wrong about the only mafia read he has, it's a bad fucking post.

meh, it's just not how i read it

so he's wrong, so what? and he knows he has too many townreads. i think the explanations for why he came to some of them read ok.

Do you have specific reads in there (other than the one on you) where you disagree with how he arrived at a certain conclusion?

If I may answer this too - I don't necessarily disagree with anything but all his reads are extremely superficial and easy so there isn't much to disagree with.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
August 28 2015 14:41 GMT
#2026
On August 28 2015 23:36 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I don't know what you want me to say Marv. Too many townreads, wrong about the only mafia read he has, it's a bad fucking post.

meh, it's just not how i read it

so he's wrong, so what? and he knows he has too many townreads. i think the explanations for why he came to some of them read ok.

Do you have specific reads in there (other than the one on you) where you disagree with how he arrived at a certain conclusion?

Over half the reads in there don't have any thought-process leading to them. If you have specific ones that you think are good that would be the place to start, but like, Kels: no reason given - Palmar/marv: no reason given - rsoultin: no reason given - VE: no reason given
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 28 2015 14:42 GMT
#2027
On August 28 2015 23:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 23:37 marvellosity wrote:
On August 28 2015 23:31 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 28 2015 23:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Town: VE, marv, JAT, rsoultin, Vivax
Town lean: KelsierSC, MrCC
Mafia lean: Moosy, Hopeless
Mafia: Trfel, Palmar

Everyone else is very null. Even Wave, which is really disconcerting. I feel like I'm probably wrong somewhere in my mafia reads, and if I'm wrong on more than one I'd probably put Wave as a mafia lean at this point for being so forgettable.

You actually think Trfel could be scum with Palmar? It seems very unlikely to me that Palmar would associate this heavily with a mafia partner.

lol, if i could think of anyone who has zero problems with massively tying himself to people (whether his team-mates or a townie) as mafia, Palmar would be one

Not like this I don't think.

i do

i know precisely why you think what you think, i just don't agree

there was a game not so long ago where i was mafia with Palmar and i got quite annoyed he boxed himself into a corner because of how he tied himself to certain people, it's very anti-intuitive.

he'll say himself that he'll hard townread his scumbuddies for no reason and then use these hard townreads to attack other people, just ask him
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 28 2015 14:43 GMT
#2028
On August 28 2015 23:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 23:36 marvellosity wrote:
On August 28 2015 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I don't know what you want me to say Marv. Too many townreads, wrong about the only mafia read he has, it's a bad fucking post.

meh, it's just not how i read it

so he's wrong, so what? and he knows he has too many townreads. i think the explanations for why he came to some of them read ok.

Do you have specific reads in there (other than the one on you) where you disagree with how he arrived at a certain conclusion?

Over half the reads in there don't have any thought-process leading to them. If you have specific ones that you think are good that would be the place to start, but like, Kels: no reason given - Palmar/marv: no reason given - rsoultin: no reason given - VE: no reason given

my question was more to do with the reasoning he gave on the ones that he did give

i guess i'll retract a few townie points anyway as 2 people are saying they don't see it my way
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 28 2015 14:44 GMT
#2029
On August 28 2015 23:42 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 23:39 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 28 2015 23:37 marvellosity wrote:
On August 28 2015 23:31 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 28 2015 23:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Town: VE, marv, JAT, rsoultin, Vivax
Town lean: KelsierSC, MrCC
Mafia lean: Moosy, Hopeless
Mafia: Trfel, Palmar

Everyone else is very null. Even Wave, which is really disconcerting. I feel like I'm probably wrong somewhere in my mafia reads, and if I'm wrong on more than one I'd probably put Wave as a mafia lean at this point for being so forgettable.

You actually think Trfel could be scum with Palmar? It seems very unlikely to me that Palmar would associate this heavily with a mafia partner.

lol, if i could think of anyone who has zero problems with massively tying himself to people (whether his team-mates or a townie) as mafia, Palmar would be one

Not like this I don't think.

i do

i know precisely why you think what you think, i just don't agree

there was a game not so long ago where i was mafia with Palmar and i got quite annoyed he boxed himself into a corner because of how he tied himself to certain people, it's very anti-intuitive.

he'll say himself that he'll hard townread his scumbuddies for no reason and then use these hard townreads to attack other people, just ask him

Are you talking about an offside game?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 28 2015 14:46 GMT
#2030
On August 28 2015 23:43 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 23:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
On August 28 2015 23:36 marvellosity wrote:
On August 28 2015 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I don't know what you want me to say Marv. Too many townreads, wrong about the only mafia read he has, it's a bad fucking post.

meh, it's just not how i read it

so he's wrong, so what? and he knows he has too many townreads. i think the explanations for why he came to some of them read ok.

Do you have specific reads in there (other than the one on you) where you disagree with how he arrived at a certain conclusion?

Over half the reads in there don't have any thought-process leading to them. If you have specific ones that you think are good that would be the place to start, but like, Kels: no reason given - Palmar/marv: no reason given - rsoultin: no reason given - VE: no reason given

my question was more to do with the reasoning he gave on the ones that he did give

i guess i'll retract a few townie points anyway as 2 people are saying they don't see it my way

To clarify: I don't think that post is that scummy. Only that it isn't exactly a towny revelation.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 28 2015 14:46 GMT
#2031
no, i think it was here. although it may have been longer ago than i thought, mafia-time all blends into one
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 28 2015 14:47 GMT
#2032
I can only remember assassination and there he did tie himself to sandroba exactly like he did to me here but that's a totally different thing.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
August 28 2015 14:48 GMT
#2033
He does it as both alignments, sometimes wrongly, but he almost ALWAYS does it, every game. Call someone hard town for something, then attack people attacking them. It's like his Power Move.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
August 28 2015 14:49 GMT
#2034
The point is you should try and read him off something else, and off everything else Palmar looks like scum.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 28 2015 14:50 GMT
#2035
On August 28 2015 23:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
The point is you should try and read him off something else, and off everything else Palmar looks like scum.

are you seriously telling me you haven't seen towngames like this off him?

can you show one of his mafiagames that looks like this one?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 28 2015 14:51 GMT
#2036
On August 28 2015 23:50 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 23:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
The point is you should try and read him off something else, and off everything else Palmar looks like scum.

are you seriously telling me you haven't seen towngames like this off him?

can you show one of his mafiagames that looks like this one?

Assassination to a degree.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
August 28 2015 14:52 GMT
#2037
Yo I don't know if it looks like his MAFIAGAME. I'm saying that here in THIS game everything I've seen from him feels like mafia. I'll leave the meta shit for you marv, that's your thing. My thing is reading thread actions in the CURRENT game. And based on that, I think Palmar is mafia.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 28 2015 14:53 GMT
#2038
On August 28 2015 23:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yo I don't know if it looks like his MAFIAGAME. I'm saying that here in THIS game everything I've seen from him feels like mafia. I'll leave the meta shit for you marv, that's your thing. My thing is reading thread actions in the CURRENT game. And based on that, I think Palmar is mafia.

i think that's lazy.

you've played zillions of games with him too, and disregarding your wealth of experience with how he plays is quite frankly ludicrous.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
August 28 2015 14:54 GMT
#2039
On August 28 2015 23:53 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 23:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yo I don't know if it looks like his MAFIAGAME. I'm saying that here in THIS game everything I've seen from him feels like mafia. I'll leave the meta shit for you marv, that's your thing. My thing is reading thread actions in the CURRENT game. And based on that, I think Palmar is mafia.

i think that's lazy.

you've played zillions of games with him too, and disregarding your wealth of experience with how he plays is quite frankly ludicrous.

I'm not disregarding anything, if you'll notice I pull from my experience with him to make the reads I am. I'm just not comparing this game ON THE WHOLE to any other game ON THE WHOLE because I'm god-awful at that kind of thing.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
August 28 2015 14:55 GMT
#2040
I fucking dare you to disagree with me on that marv, I've NEVER been able to correctly assess someone's alignment by comparing this game with another.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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