EPTI like his filter a lot less than the individual posts when he made them. It is full of inconsistencies.
On August 26 2015 22:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Rsoultin is town because she (?? Haven't played in so long and this is a new face, heard this person was female somewhere but I know those rarely exist on the internet) was excited to begin the day off and start metaphorically poking people with sticks.
I really want to give MoosyDoosy a townread for: so I think I will.
VE is def town because he is withholding information. As odd as that sounds, I'd think mafia would be more self-conscious about coming out early in the day and claiming to have some reads but refuse to give them until an unspecified later time.
Palmar and Marv are both probably town, I'll figure it out later. Palmar more town than Marv because he likes Rsoultin as town.
Rsoultin is town because she (?? Haven't played in so long and this is a new face, heard this person was female somewhere but I know those rarely exist on the internet) was excited to begin the day off and start metaphorically poking people with sticks.
I really want to give MoosyDoosy a townread for: so I think I will.
VE is def town because he is withholding information. As odd as that sounds, I'd think mafia would be more self-conscious about coming out early in the day and claiming to have some reads but refuse to give them until an unspecified later time.
Palmar and Marv are both probably town, I'll figure it out later. Palmar more town than Marv because he likes Rsoultin as town.
Those are way too many townreads for that point in the game and they are all very easily given. The people are also all pretty likely town NOW. But at that time it wasn't this obvious. Might be tmi.
On August 26 2015 22:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar just thinks JAT is mafia because he think JAT has a poor read, or poor reasoning for Trfel to be mafia. That doesn't make jat mafia.
Palmar just thinks JAT is mafia because he think JAT has a poor read, or poor reasoning for Trfel to be mafia. That doesn't make jat mafia.
On August 26 2015 23:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I think we can all agree that JAT asking the question isn't very bad at all from an objective standpoint. Except Palmar.
I think we can all agree that JAT asking the question isn't very bad at all from an objective standpoint. Except Palmar.
On August 26 2015 23:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
So your definition of an "actual case" is that JAT latched onto a particular statement that Trfel gave and it was the only thing he did. I agree that it's odd, and I'd probably lynch JAT if it was the only thing he did in an entire 48-hour period.
However, you seem to be just looking for reasons to find JAT scummy.
So your definition of an "actual case" is that JAT latched onto a particular statement that Trfel gave and it was the only thing he did. I agree that it's odd, and I'd probably lynch JAT if it was the only thing he did in an entire 48-hour period.
However, you seem to be just looking for reasons to find JAT scummy.
Those are the post that made me feel like his play is too clean. He is immediately 100 % right and really confident about it too. Not the slightest doubt visible. Notice however how the "+1" post doesn't fit in at all. Normally I would say he misread rsoultins post or made a similar mistake and it is possible that this is the case but he keeps messing up like this as you can see in the very next post. Somehow now it is odd for me to latch onto it while earlier he was absolutely sure that this did not make me scum at all.
On August 27 2015 06:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JAT I need your top scumread. I could lynch you because I think you are being objectively scummy by sulking that Palmar is being a meanie pants. So if you're town please brush yourself off and behind anew like a phoenix rising from it's ashes. Produce all that content that others are not providing.
JAT I need your top scumread. I could lynch you because I think you are being objectively scummy by sulking that Palmar is being a meanie pants. So if you're town please brush yourself off and behind anew like a phoenix rising from it's ashes. Produce all that content that others are not providing.
Then there is this post and it literally oozes the knowledge/expectation that I WILL in fact rise from the ashes. It still looks very much like CC knows I am town.
On August 27 2015 04:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
This post makes Wave scum. Specifically, the text in bold. Wave comes back to the thread to see the popular scum-candidate JAT sitting on a wagon driven by Palmar. His read takes no consideration for JAT's actions this game. In fact, he says he respects Palmar's play enough on day 1 to sheep him without regard.
Wave claims that he has gained some confidence in his play. If wave truly has gained confidence in his play (I.E. reads), then why is he letting Palmar, who may very well be mafia or just plain wrong about JAT, decide the lynch for him? Wave is blindly assuming that Palmar is town and correct without A) Assessing the lynch candidates motivations / actions and B) Looking at Palmar's push in and of itself. He doesn't even quote a post by Palmar and agree with the reasons.
##Vote: Wave
JAT hits the nail on the head here. Wave's defense against this is basically "I'm better than this", which I find lazy. Regardless, Wave still fails to situate why he thinks Palmar's case is good.
When Wave extrapolates upon how Palmar plays, he admits that Palmar's early reads are 'just 'cause' and may/may not be accurate.
How can Wave seriously think JAT is his top scumread / top vote for the day if he: 1) Has not evaluated JAT's actions, or explained why Palmar's case is good 2) Knows that Palmar's early reads are often 'just cause' 3) Is not sure of Palmar's alignment? It makes no sense to me. Palmar may have caught Wave as scum day 1 in another game and he respects him, but this course of action is scummy regardless of how you package it. It's incredibly convenient if JAT flips town, and then Wave can take no responsibility for the lynch.
All I want you to answer @WaveofShadow:
Why is Palmar's case good. Not Rsoultin's, or anyone else's, but Palmar's case. What does Palmar say that is convincing and makes the case against JAT generate a "fairly decent read"?
This post makes Wave scum. Specifically, the text in bold. Wave comes back to the thread to see the popular scum-candidate JAT sitting on a wagon driven by Palmar. His read takes no consideration for JAT's actions this game. In fact, he says he respects Palmar's play enough on day 1 to sheep him without regard.
Wave claims that he has gained some confidence in his play. If wave truly has gained confidence in his play (I.E. reads), then why is he letting Palmar, who may very well be mafia or just plain wrong about JAT, decide the lynch for him? Wave is blindly assuming that Palmar is town and correct without A) Assessing the lynch candidates motivations / actions and B) Looking at Palmar's push in and of itself. He doesn't even quote a post by Palmar and agree with the reasons.
##Vote: Wave
JAT hits the nail on the head here. Wave's defense against this is basically "I'm better than this", which I find lazy. Regardless, Wave still fails to situate why he thinks Palmar's case is good.
When Wave extrapolates upon how Palmar plays, he admits that Palmar's early reads are 'just 'cause' and may/may not be accurate.
How can Wave seriously think JAT is his top scumread / top vote for the day if he: 1) Has not evaluated JAT's actions, or explained why Palmar's case is good 2) Knows that Palmar's early reads are often 'just cause' 3) Is not sure of Palmar's alignment? It makes no sense to me. Palmar may have caught Wave as scum day 1 in another game and he respects him, but this course of action is scummy regardless of how you package it. It's incredibly convenient if JAT flips town, and then Wave can take no responsibility for the lynch.
All I want you to answer @WaveofShadow:
Why is Palmar's case good. Not Rsoultin's, or anyone else's, but Palmar's case. What does Palmar say that is convincing and makes the case against JAT generate a "fairly decent read"?
I really liked this post about Wave earlier. But I realize now that it's probably because CC is only rehashing things I said about Wave earlier without really adding anything to it. I was blinded by the fact that someone agreed with me. The fact that those are basically all my own points on wave also explains that I only remembered my own points against Wave later on and didn't mention this again. In general like I said earlier CC seems to be parroting me a lot.
If you read his filter you will also notice that basically the whole thing is him talking to Wave. I first thought this would mean they aren't both mafia and this may be true. But ten I remembered a quiet game of mafia where talking to his scummate was literally all CC did day1 so they probably could still be scum together (which would also fit the tmi/CC too protown to be town theory).
My conclusion is that CC is pretty scummy actually and will certainly not make the list.
