I've been thinking about it over the course of the evening, and I think it's time for me to claim. I'm a watcher. N1 I watched HTS, and the only person who I saw was ritoky. N2 I watched JJ and saw nobody. N3 I watched Rels and was roleblocked ("no result").

The reason why I'm claiming now is that, since we know the mafia had a rolecop, I'm thinking they checked me N2 and subsequently role-blocked me N3, since if I correctly watched, it'd be confirmed mafia. The reason why I think mafia checked me is because I think I was too obvious in pinging out ritoky out of nowhere at my EOD2 thread re-entry (especially after I gave a town read on HTS towards the end of the night), and maybe I should have kept quieter about that until later. I don't see any reason to keep town in the dark in those circumstances.

That was the reason why I was asking ritoky for his role back during D2 - because I wanted to see if he had any excuse for having visited HTS. And I have to say, I'm not convinced by his RB claim at all - at least I'm not convinced he's the town roleblocker. When he listed HTS as his RB on N1, I think that he had already guessed that I had either tracked him to HTS, or had alternatively watched HTS, and was setting up pre-emptively to counter that. I think it's reasonable for him to assume I wasn't a cop, since we have already had enough cop claims.

Assuming that the mafia have one unwatchable power (the godfather), then that means there is a 2/3 chance that on N1 the KP was carried by someone who was watchable (assuming there were 3KP n1).

I don't think any of ritoky's roleblocks make much sense from a town perspective, except Chez. He did throw some dirt HTS' way d1, but he was scum reading me SUPER hard. And I don't buy that people wouldn't ask someone who was scum-read d1 (like me) to carry the KP - in fact it makes all kinds of sense, since if I was caught, mafia wouldn't have lost anyone of value. The Damdred RB also doesn't make much sense - Damdred is almost certainly not a cult leader. I don't know what his alignment is or what his role is, but he recruited me and I'm not a cult member. RBing mafia is incredibly strong now - why not go for the anti-mafia roleblock, rather than the very very slight chance that Damdred is actually a cult leader?

I also have a ton of meta reasons why I think it's ritoky. I've given them before. Basically - he hasn't pushed any correct lynches (the LT lynch obviously doesn't count, since the town circle were all on that instantly, and it wasn't shifting). He doesn't get credit for his list, since I think the town circle had all already figured exactly the same thing out. He hasn't really driven or led town like I would have expected. He has managed to survive 6 NKs, despite being a known strong town player. AND he lied about the restrictions on his role at the start.

I do admit, there is the possibility that town got unlucky and that the godfather did deliver the KP onto HTS. But all that doesn't explain why I was roleblocked last night. If ritoky isn't mafia, I don't see why they would roleblock me over, say, KSC who has claimed cop, since I have been tunnelling ritoky since the start.

And given the below - why not kill me earlier? I don't know. The upgrade I got N2 was that my watcher results will get posted after my death. I don't think they can have known that. Possibly they just figured that they could keep roleblocking me and kill the people who are more confirmed town than me first. Maybe I'm due to be killed next. Anyway, I haven't played that well this game, so I think my dying and/or continuing to be roleblocked would be okay for town, since it frees up others to get checks and to keep the game going.

TL;DR I am the Watcher, I watched ritoky visit HTS D1 and saw ritoky and nobody else.

Fidei86

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August 29 2015 01:48 GMT

#3342

Yeah, the Damdred angle is one I didn't think of. I sort of assumed that Damdred's powers were NOT role-blockable. If they are, and Damdred claims to have been RBed, then that would change things a fair bit, as mafia would then have to have TWO roleblockers. Possible, but unlikely I would guess?

Fidei86

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August 29 2015 02:30 GMT

#3345

@Damdred can you confirm whether or not you were roleblocked?

Fidei86

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August 29 2015 02:34 GMT

#3347

@JJ the thing is, Chezinu and KSC have both been worse than useless this game. KSC's fake claim is confusing as hell. Chezinu has contributed nothing except to sow chaos. Both are fine lynch options, or nuke options. I just have this nagging suspicion that they can't BOTH be mafia, because that would be far too easy. I do think ritoky has played very differently this game to how I've seen him before, and I think he could well be mafia. I accept that there are a couple of different scenarios where he innocently visits HTS and HTS dies through other means (one other possibility is that HTS visited rayn). I just think they are less likely than rit just being mafia.

Fidei86

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August 29 2015 02:36 GMT

#3349

On August 29 2015 11:32 Damdred wrote:
I have no clue I have no night actions besides my upgrade on n2 and I guess rb aren't notified? Were you notified fid? Or ability just didn't go off

When I watched HTS n1, I was told I saw ritoky. When I watched JJ n2, I was told I saw nobody. When I watched Rels n3, I was told "no result". I saw on mafiascum that "no result" is usually used when one is roleblocked.

Fidei86

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August 29 2015 02:36 GMT

#3350

On August 29 2015 11:35 Damdred wrote:
Why would Hts visit rayn though he wasn't a likely nk

Ah yes. For some reason I keep thinking that HTS was the jailer (since WoS was HTS who was the jailer..). But she was also a watcher.

Fidei86

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August 29 2015 10:23 GMT

#3370

Rels you're assuming that there were only 2KP n1. Could there not have been 3?

Fidei86

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August 29 2015 10:31 GMT

#3372

I totally agree. I admitted straight up that my check does not confirm rit Mafia, it just gives him better odds than everyone else. I'm actually down with a Chez lynch and a KSC nuke - both of them have been atrocious. But if that doesn't round things off - we should be looking at rit.

Fidei86

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August 29 2015 10:33 GMT

#3373

I'm a more than a tiny bit concerned that OWS - who has been shit talking with me all game - was so quick to jump on the rit 'wagon'. We should bear that in mind moving forward.

Fidei86

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August 29 2015 10:36 GMT

#3374

@Rels don't you think it's a bit weird that an experienced player like Chez would play SO BADLY? Like, nothing he has done has made sense from ANY perspective. He has drawn so much attention to himself, he's basically been up for lynch every single day. There couldn't be two jesters in the game, could there?

Fidei86

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August 29 2015 10:47 GMT

#3379

@Rels I think you're giving rit too much credit on the rayn lynch - off the top of my head I'm remembering that he said he was fine with lynching you, then AFKd.

Fidei86

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August 29 2015 10:53 GMT

#3382

He could have voted you - but remember:

1. This was before he had revealed that he actually could choose who to vote for.
2. The wagon on Ryan got started so late, he may have just not had time to respond.

Fidei86

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August 29 2015 10:54 GMT

#3383

On August 29 2015 19:51 Rels wrote:
Why would the mafia team waste 1 KP 1 prot for almost nothing ? It's enough for me to nuke KSC over rit. We'll lynch ritoky if KSC is town.

Can you remind me of the sequence? LT fake nukes Chez, someone anti-nukes Chez?

Fidei86

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August 29 2015 11:00 GMT

#3384

Also, isn't there a nuke currently heading at Rels from Chez?

Fidei86

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August 29 2015 11:14 GMT

#3386

Ugh. If Chez is town here, we could legitimately consider reporting him to the ban committee for playing against his wincon.

Fidei86

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August 29 2015 11:20 GMT

#3388

Didn't rit shoot Yamato n2, or at least claim to?

*goes back to the filters*

Fidei86

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August 29 2015 11:22 GMT

#3390

Yup, just found it. Fair enough.

Fidei86

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August 29 2015 11:24 GMT

#3391

Alright, one last filter dive on Chez now, before I vote.

Fidei86

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August 29 2015 11:59 GMT

#3394

On August 29 2015 20:39 Chezinu wrote:

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I haven't done anything blatantly against my win con. It is personality mafia. If the host disagrees with my playstyle based on the character I have received, the host can always warn or modkill me.

Okay, then please explain to me how your play has been pro-town.