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Basically it makes mafia have +1 delayed KP evey night after n1 until the rolecop is dead. | ||
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Maybe it's just me.. | ||
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On August 11 2015 15:57 ruXxar wrote: Mm, of the people posting so far, trfel is most likely scum. Didn't care for his reads post on rs at all tbh :/. Felt too confident and almost made up as if he already knew her alignment and just poured on reasons to make it look legit. I think damdy is town, rs is townish, chezinu is ?? No idea. I don't like this approach to be honest. At all. | ||
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He says a lot of stuff i find dumb, that's why i am not sure if he's scum or not. I'll look closer when i am home. Not gonna read past games on phone. | ||
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Ruxxars read on Trfel looks kinda similarly simple minded than his read on iGrok in Desert start. However he is somehow.... idk.... restricted (?) here imo. And it still feels like he called trfel mafia just for the sake of calling someone mafia. There is also this one other thing i am not gonna talk about yet. | ||
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On August 11 2015 21:25 Vivax wrote: I have a feels-based suspicion of Artanis Are you Wave on disguise? Please, tell more. | ||
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Okay so what's Vivax' opinion? | ||
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On August 12 2015 00:56 ruXxar wrote: Doesn't like artanis cuz feels, pretty meh. I'd like to know more tbh. Okay so why are you asking VE and not Vivax? | ||
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On August 12 2015 01:00 VisceraEyes wrote: The real question is: why isn't anyone else suspicious of Trfel if he's NOT mafia. That's the real question. except a lot of people are. | ||
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Plamar has not posted anything for real, same goes with Hopeless, and deconduo & purplehaze havn't posted anything. Vivax hasn't mentioned anything other than Artanis so i guess something about his read on Artanis has to do with Trfel, because if he read Trfel as town he should not have a problem with Artanis atm. So like, it's me and Artanis (maybe rsoul) and Damdred who do read Trfel AS TOWN at this point of the game. I don't think your question is a good one at this point of the game. If Trfel is town why would scum push him now would be a better question? | ||
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On August 12 2015 01:08 Vivax wrote: I prefer not to push Artanis, I'm pretty comfortable with him doing nothing when he doesn't have to. Being a feels read, your assumption is wrong. Call it a tone read or whatever but when I read Artanis posts they didn't strike me in a townie way, doesn't have anything to do with Trfel. Okay. Well i also have a meta-read on Artanis and he is my strongest town read at this moment. I don't think i have ever been wrong on his alignment as town. | ||
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On August 12 2015 01:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Because he's done objectively scummy things, things I've pointed out. But you're right, looking back others have pointed out things about Trfel, so it's a moot point anyway. What i mean is like, i think Artanis and Damdred are both really really likely to be town here. If you put me there aswell, you get a three man town circle who share a read. Why would you push against that as mafia (assuming Trfel is town here)? | ||
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On August 12 2015 01:10 VisceraEyes wrote: Man you weren't in his last scumgame with me -.- I don't care. I read the game to some extent and to be honest i had a townread on Artanis there but that has nothing to do with where my meta is based on, because i was not in the game. | ||
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On August 12 2015 01:11 Vivax wrote: The one thing that bothers me about Trfel is that he calls Chez including Damdred as if it's something then finds a valid explanation for himself that doesn't lead to "and this is why he's mafia/suspicious". Chez applying the Chezinu rule must be new to him. And that is scummy then because of...? | ||
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If you read that (and the thread) properly you would have probably figured that out because of the last paragraph. | ||
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On August 12 2015 01:18 Vivax wrote: I'm also strongly in favour of starting a wagon on Palmar for no particular reason other than that he takes strong pride in his play and only blames himself when he gets lynched, nevertheless calling everybody an idiot who is voting for him. Day 1 is mostly better for a show than for the reads and a tryharding Palmar is always a good show, and on top of that informative. Well you shouldn't be. Palmar does his shit sooner or later. If it's too late then it is a good idea. | ||
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On August 11 2015 11:49 rsoultin wrote: mmm mostly just that it's early and i'd expect some more hemming and hawing rather than just a caveat at the end? On August 11 2015 12:55 rsoultin wrote: eh, yeah, tone read bit is inconclusive in general loose with the joking, tight with the read, but the humor's on point :/ lol though tbf the not hemming and hawing bit is tone...that's what he usually does. indecisive bugger anyway, i'm out nite damdy! On August 11 2015 22:28 rsoultin wrote: this, this, this lol >< the artie is more articulate than me apparently ^^ not surprising although kinda not this? sorta this hrum more like hey guys i'm not sure but no reasons as to why he's not in the read itself? kinda getting the feeling it's just uber nitpicky now, though lol >< also, damdy, i don't really understand the distinction you're trying to draw :/ my impression of truffle reads are written arguments with himself but uh...okay? nh...ruxxy isn't happy this game? whyyyyy? On August 11 2015 22:36 rsoultin wrote: not lynching rayn, damdy -beats with stick- today ^^ kinda like artie and truffle (after i went to bed, sneaky  )mmmm ye \o/ errands time! On August 11 2015 11:38 rsoultin wrote: lol -shrugs- c'est la vie no rush lol >< mmm townlean sorta maybe on a truffle lol >< i was actually more fine with him until his read on me On August 11 2015 11:40 rsoultin wrote: eh, seemed a touch overexplained? but then again, it's truffle >< lol i doubt he can play with me that easily as scum with our history together ^^ rsoultin please help me out here. What is going on in your head? | ||
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EBWOP: On August 11 2015 11:38 rsoultin wrote: lol -shrugs- c'est la vie no rush lol >< mmm townlean sorta maybe on a truffle lol >< i was actually more fine with him until his read on me town On August 11 2015 11:40 rsoultin wrote: eh, seemed a touch overexplained? but then again, it's truffle >< lol i doubt he can play with me that easily as scum with our history together ^^ indecisive(?) On August 11 2015 11:49 rsoultin wrote: mmm mostly just that it's early and i'd expect some more hemming and hawing rather than just a caveat at the end? On August 11 2015 12:55 rsoultin wrote: eh, yeah, tone read bit is inconclusive in general loose with the joking, tight with the read, but the humor's on point :/ lol though tbf the not hemming and hawing bit is tone...that's what he usually does. indecisive bugger anyway, i'm out nite damdy! indecisive On August 11 2015 22:28 rsoultin wrote: this, this, this lol >< the artie is more articulate than me apparently ^^ not surprising although kinda not this? sorta this hrum more like hey guys i'm not sure but no reasons as to why he's not in the read itself? kinda getting the feeling it's just uber nitpicky now, though lol >< also, damdy, i don't really understand the distinction you're trying to draw :/ my impression of truffle reads are written arguments with himself but uh...okay? nh...ruxxy isn't happy this game? whyyyyy? scumlean(?) On August 11 2015 22:36 rsoultin wrote: not lynching rayn, damdy -beats with stick- today ^^ kinda like artie and truffle (after i went to bed, sneaky )mmmm ye \o/ errands time! town That's about half of her posts (which are not joking with Trfel). It should not be that hard to come to a conclusion. | ||
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On August 12 2015 01:35 Chezinu wrote: Also note the time VE. I was stalking the forums and watching view counts before posts. They ignored me long time before posting. Never really addressed me. They couldn't vote me cause that would make me right with my count. They know the Chez Rule it seems. They avoided contact it seemed. Dude your Chezinu rule vote tally has most likely two townies in voting for you... | ||
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On August 12 2015 01:40 Damdred wrote: Um sorta tempted to vote ruxxar No don't. I may have a better target. not sure yet. | ||
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On August 12 2015 01:41 ruXxar wrote: I don't understand why you don't want to push artsnis. Explain why it makes you comfortable when he does nothing even if he's scummy? yes this Vivax. I also want an answer to this. | ||
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"why it makes you comfortable when Artanis does nothing even if he's scummy?" is the point. | ||
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On August 12 2015 01:46 Vivax wrote: My current benchmarks for him are Imperial (mafia) and Guardians (town). Simply put, for him it's indicative if he tryhards or not. If I want him to tryhard or else, he will tryhard, if he's mafia. I want him to feel comfortable doing nothing if he's mafia, cause then I can see if he's mafia. Palmar on the other hand tryhards, or doesn't, as both aligments. But I prefer him when he tryhards either way. It would be awful if we let him just do nothing, also cause he's really entertaining when he plays. okay this makes more sense. | ||
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On August 12 2015 01:47 Damdred wrote: Well he's not being a Mexican jumping bean this game and a few of his reads have felt a bit mechanical to an extent. His reaction to me liking vivax was a bit odd aooon as someone thought he looked ok rux said nvm I like him to. Bit strange for him I need to think if it makes him scum though I am pretty sure he said he likes Hopeless and not Vivax. | ||
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On August 12 2015 01:55 Vivax wrote: That's silly rayn. Obviously not a scumslip either, but would be fun if it was. i am not even thinking that is a scumslip or anything. | ||
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On August 12 2015 01:55 Hopeless1der wrote: Man rayn never likes me. Look man if you are town you need to try to get your reads out no matter how good/bad they are, because that's what you do as town. If people (like i do) scumread you for it then they do, who cares. If you are scum please feel free to continue acting like you don't give any fucks and just hide behind smartass questions which is what you do as mafia. I have actually never tried to meta you (because i usually don't remember what you have posted the game before when the next game begins) until now, 15mins ago. | ||
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On August 12 2015 01:31 ruXxar wrote: I read his filter again and I liked him a bit better. | ||
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i like one of them a bit better (noone still knows which one btw) then the conclusion should be the other one is mafia instead of "i don't like either" no? | ||
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On August 12 2015 02:11 ruXxar wrote: I didn't like either. My reason for calling them scum was because they both wanted to lynch palmar for illogical reasons. So they were both looking bad. I read vivas filter and saw he had made a follow up post about artanis, I at first thought it was made earlier, but when I checked the time stamp it was only 30 mins ago. So no, I don't like either, and I think we're likely to hit 1 scum between them. which one did you like a bit better? | ||
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because he made a follow up post on Artanis? | ||
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Impossible because this post: On August 12 2015 01:31 ruXxar wrote: I read his filter again and I liked him a bit better. came after you said "i sorta like one of them more" | ||
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EBWOP: the post you are referring to in context of "i like one of them better" came before you now say is a reason. I have to go buy smokes. Then reread. Then decide. I think we got scum here. | ||
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anything. how does that make any sense. | ||
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On August 12 2015 02:22 ruXxar wrote: True. I thought he made another post about artanis before that, but he hadn't. okay so you were using an imaginary post to say "Vivax looks a bit better" but now it's not an imaginary post but instead a post that has nothing to do with what had been posted at the time? | ||
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On August 12 2015 02:26 ruXxar wrote: Yep. I read artanis name in a vivax filter post, and thought it was a post I missed. Except it was the same post I already read so that "like him a bit better" statement is null. And which was this post? | ||
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On August 12 2015 02:49 rsoultin wrote: what's the meta on hopeless, rayn? i don't like him much, either, but i didn't particularly like him last game? i posted it already. i didn't at first too, but the second post was golden (when i switched my vote). ruxxar answer, every second you take to clarify yourself makes me think you have to find something that fits your story instead of just saying "this is what i did and why". | ||
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On August 12 2015 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Look man if you are town you need to try to get your reads out no matter how good/bad they are, because that's what you do as town. If people (like i do) scumread you for it then they do, who cares. If you are scum please feel free to continue acting like you don't give any fucks and just hide behind smartass questions which is what you do as mafia. I have actually never tried to meta you (because i usually don't remember what you have posted the game before when the next game begins) until now, 15mins ago. | ||
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On August 12 2015 03:05 Vivax wrote: Disagree on hopeless, didn't quite seem like a bus to me. Dude you looked better when i vote for Hopeless you don't look better any more for some reason never explained. | ||
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On August 12 2015 03:34 deconduo wrote: Just getting into the swing of things. The VE post is the only thing that bothered me really. It felt a bit like a 'Hey guys, lets drop hints about our storm names' which is bad obviously. Why does that matter? | ||
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On August 12 2015 03:41 VisceraEyes wrote: @Chez Everyone knows about the Chezinu rule. Have for a long time. Does this alter your perception of its validity? ................. | ||
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So you claim THIS is the post where you BOTH scumread him and it "makes you feel better about him"???? what the fucking fuck? | ||
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no. no. no. ##unvote ##Vote ruxxar | ||
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I have no idea when certain people voted for certain people though. | ||
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But the same post made him go all ham on Vivax instead of Hopeless. When he earlier said "one of those two is mafia". | ||
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i can show you are making TWO 100% different conclusions based on the same post. so, how do you answer? | ||
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On August 12 2015 04:06 ruXxar wrote: Ok so I mixed up the order of things and made me look like ass. I know that. You do not mix order of things when you are town based on YOUR actions. never. | ||
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then i am sorry. i don't buy it. you are mafia. | ||
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I think Hopeless is also mafia. Your thoughts? | ||
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why can't you answer? | ||
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On August 12 2015 04:34 Damdred wrote: Just looks like his town game the last few pages even if he got caught in an inconsistent spell that's more prone for town tux than scum rux. no. did you even read? | ||
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On August 12 2015 05:43 deconduo wrote: It just doesn't feel like something a sensible towny would say in a game like this, given the setup. Maybe I'm reading too much into but given his response: Quite a bit of an overreaction really tbh. It's because it literally doesn't mean anything even if all the players in the game claimed their Hurricane names. | ||
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On August 12 2015 05:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Was this to me? What do you think of VE? yes town | ||
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I don't think you should answer the first question like that. VE is town because of stuff and things. Like how can you actually vote VE over ruxxar dude? YOU, of all the people? | ||
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Do you ignore everyhitng i pointed out just because his response is "lol you are bad rayn"? | ||
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On August 12 2015 06:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think you're tunneling and that you're wrong. I'm confident in that he's town and nothing you've pointed out in your filter has made me think otherwise. That he backtracked and contradicted himself does not make him scum. It just means he's playing a bad game. I can change my opinion on something if I reread too. that was not what he did though based on his OWN words. | ||
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Could you please go: 1) through my filter and see what i say about ruxxar 2) through his filter and see what i mean 3) through my filter to confirm 4) Please then make these people understand why he is mafia. He is mafia, it is quite obvious. Jesus do not let them lynch VE. Palmar please. If you do something on D1 and you are town please do this. -snowangel | ||
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On August 12 2015 06:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You don't need to state that you reread something to reread it. He went back to quote something, then gives the opposite read of what he did at the time iirc. I don't think that makes him scum in the slightest, and it doesn't weigh up to the to me overwhelming evidence that he is town. Please refute my arguments on VE and explain to me why you think he's town. You are wrong. You are not reading properly. I think your arguments on VE are dumb. It does not make him mafia. I can't give you a "proper" reason why he isn't, except i know him well. I understand if you do not get it, but mehhhh... | ||
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On August 12 2015 05:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think VE might be mafia. First reason is: I don't recall VE being someone that fearmongers this much. I'm far from the best mafia player around as well. I've had two good mafia games and the rest have been washes. It also achieves scum objectives in the sense that it throws suspicion on me without actually quantifying it with anything. Vivax did something similar, but he's Vivax. Secondly, he clearly wasn't reading the thread. Plenty of people indicated townreads on Trfel at that point, and I had called his play suspicious as well before coming back to it later. Fine: 1) VE jsut had a game where he wanted to kill the shit out of me because he felt like i was "pocketing him again" as he had townread me when i was scum for two games in a row. You can call that "fearmongering", i call this "similar approach". 2) There are several instances where VE has not been reading the thread properly, like in the last game he wanted to kill me 36h later i had already flipped. case closed? Here is game: http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=1994 | ||
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On August 12 2015 06:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm not reading an entire game but I'll take your word for it. ##Unvote I'll try rereading Ruxxar again but I really don't think he's scum still. Actual posts: 1) http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=1994&pid=202816#pid202816 2) http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=1994&pid=204313#pid204313 (read a couple of posts further) | ||
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On August 12 2015 06:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It might be because you keep saying I don't read without actually explaining what I'm apparently reading wrongly. you are saying stuff like "ruxxar reread and come to a different conclusion" which is not what happened at all. | ||
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On August 12 2015 06:40 Vivax wrote: No need to, I'll just get Ruxxar lynched and then lynch you for being stupid or mafia. no we need to lynch hopelesswonder D2. you can push deconduo on N2 if you want to. | ||
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On August 12 2015 06:10 deconduo wrote: Even with everyone jumping on ruxx, I don't see anything jump out at me reading through his filter. The mixup looks to be genuine. can you elaborate on this please? | ||
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Just because it's been like 2yrs since i have seen you as mafia. | ||
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On August 12 2015 02:15 Trfel wrote: Vivax, when I was making that post on Chezinu, I felt like my posts were really suspicious. I was scared that Damdred would catch me, so that's why I asked for his opinion first so I could agree with it. When he didn't give any, I felt like if I just left I would look really scummy, so I just posted the first thing that came into my mind. I wanted to ask this earlier. Trfel why do you say this? | ||
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On August 12 2015 06:56 Damdred wrote: Yea I'm pretty sure ruxxar is town in this case, he contradicted himself,and what he said doesn't make sense but it doesn't make sense. I just think you are wrong just Luke last game we played with him and just tunneling,now. If let's say it was palmar or rs or myself who made that slip I think you would have a stronger case but it's really,nia of ruxxar in this situation. it is not similar at all. "being dumb" is one thing, saying two different things on one thing is another. | ||
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ruxxar says one of Vivax/Hopeless is mafia Vivax makes a post. He says one of them "looks a bit better" He pushes Vivax (with questioning, but it is essentially the same thing because if he thought Hopeless was mafia then he would Q him instead) also see green People call him out for the read because it is not clear who is he even talking about I ask him "which one does look a bit better" (because i have just voted for hopeless) He says random other things I tell him to answer clearly He says "Vivax looks better" I ask why do you question Vivax then instead of Hopeless? He says, "because i thought this green post made was by artanis. I fucked up" I ask him "why did you then push Vivax based on the SAME post. Like if that post is from Artanis (as you thought) why are you pushing Vivax for that post? dudeeeesssS???? | ||
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he is saying "the post i first read from vivax (i even argued with multiple posts with him about it) is not a scumtell for him anymore because i thought at THAT TIME IT CAME FROM ARTANIS" ASDFKMJDMFASNFAS | ||
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On August 12 2015 07:11 Chezinu wrote: ???? It has never failed!! Find a game where it has. mafia champions game where you played. | ||
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"The post i first read from vivax (i even argued with multiple posts with him about it) is not a scumtell for him anymore because i thought AT THAT TIME IT CAME FROM ARTANIS" | ||
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On August 12 2015 07:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That falls in the "makes absolutely no sense" category. It falls into the "i am changing my story" category. Town does not do that. | ||
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We are not lynching Damdred or Trfel unless you have a more convincing argument. | ||
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I think it is possible that Trfel is mafia for his "woe on me i am so scummy" post. But ruxxar is scum. If you want to push another scum in Trfel please do try. | ||
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On August 12 2015 07:36 Damdred wrote: I wouldn't mind a prp lynch for general policy or a fee others maybe ehh this is dumb. like how can you even argue this over ruxxar? Fine. Trfel. I could lynch Trfel for what i just said to Chezinu. Hopeless, for my case. I could lynch deconduo because i don't feel like he is scumhunting and i don't even think he is right. idk, not all of them can be mafia. And i think Ruxxar is most likely to be. | ||
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On August 12 2015 05:38 ruXxar wrote: Reads : Town: - Rayn - Damdred - VE gets a daypass. - RS gets a daypass. Scum: -Trfel - Vivax / hopeless. Leaning more towards hopeless. | ||
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On August 12 2015 07:53 Damdred wrote: Rayn if Yamato was in game and hadn't posted for 24 hours would you think that is alignment indicative? no | ||
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On August 12 2015 07:58 ruXxar wrote: I'm getting mixed signals. I didn't like his reason for not pushing artanis but wanting to push palmar. I don't understand the logic behind not wanting to push scum, but oh well. He is pretty forward and eager, so that's towny behavior. I'd like a general reads list from vivax of who he thinks is scum and town. I don't feel like I have a good overview of where his reads are at right now(except me scum). . So after your post where you called him mafia nothing has changed and how you are getting "mixed signals". Two of your first lines are bullshit because you have yourself proven them wrong. | ||
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[a big discussion why X is a bad reason] "okay i agree X is a bad reason" ... time goes by .... "i think Vivax is mafia because of X" yolo | ||
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On August 12 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote: Your lying because last game you did say Yamato was scum for not playing the first like 24 hours of a game rayn lol. Anyway prp does the same,thing Yamato does basically barely if at all plays shrug. he did post though. so i am not. why are you even discussing this? do you think i am mafia? | ||
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If not enough because ruxxar's main defense revolves around "lol you so bad rayn" instead of actually attacking the argument. | ||
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On August 12 2015 20:50 rsoultin wrote: obv he's got nothing and mechanics are easy to hide behind, but more interesting to me is i'm not sure why town would already be thinking about how mafia could get information out of storm votes/narrow down storm names to assassinate I am pretty sure i know the answer in case deconduo is town but let's hear an answer from him. | ||
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Like i think the thread at this point of the game would be like my & your filters combined in length. I kinda get that it will (would) be hard to adapt to this new "more spammy" style people play, but i agree with the fact if he doesn't do anything and only sits on his mechanics read on VE who i think is really likely to be town we can murder him. | ||
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I realyl want to lynch between ruxxar, hopeless, Palmar and deconduo, in that order. Trfel goes back to townpile and so does rsoultin. Chezinu is pure null and i am pretty sure i get his alignment right at last on N1. | ||
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.... and people were generally not posting much so it was hard. | ||
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On August 12 2015 23:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I see Ruxx as being eager to post and continuously explaining his situation, fighting every argument being brought against him (in however poor way he's doing so) and attempting to contribute.? no. | ||
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On August 12 2015 23:12 rsoultin wrote: i know what you're keying in on, rayn you're saying how can the guy have different reactions to the same post, whether he's forgotten it or not? and as i said, the whole flavor of his posting is somewhat different this game so i'm not as sure on it here as i was in desert, but i still wouldn't lynch him today. lol i call it tone but it's actually behavior/personality-based and yes i do tend to put more value on a read that considers overarching play over one or two consistencies especially when being inconsistent isn't outside the norm for ruxxy :/ My case i posted is in fact 50% bullshit just because i just realized i misread one of his posts where he says "a post about artanis" into "artanis' post". So what he is doing is he is agreeing that i am right when he SHOULD know i am pushing something he hasn't even actually said or done. Like rsoultin, if someone now made a case on you based on "you called rayn town then now you suddenly call him mafia for no reason" would your response be: 1) "i have not called rayn mafia" or, 2) "yeah i did woopiedoo" ???? | ||
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On August 12 2015 23:27 rsoultin wrote: o.0 this happened? where? that's not at all what i remember from y'all's argument, though i guess i was kinda reading the thread with a headache yesterday and wishing you all would just choke on bile lol >< My argument was literally this: On August 12 2015 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i am trying to be as clear as possible: ruxxar says one of Vivax/Hopeless is mafia Vivax makes a post. He says one of them "looks a bit better" He pushes Vivax (with questioning, but it is essentially the same thing because if he thought Hopeless was mafia then he would Q him instead) also see green People call him out for the read because it is not clear who is he even talking about I ask him "which one does look a bit better" (because i have just voted for hopeless) He says random other things I tell him to answer clearly He says "Vivax looks better" I ask why do you question Vivax then instead of Hopeless? He says, "because i thought this green post made was by artanis. I fucked up" I ask him "why did you then push Vivax based on the SAME post. Like if that post is from Artanis (as you thought) why are you pushing Vivax for that post? dudeeeesssS???? I bolded and underlined the parts that did not actually happen. That's what my argument has always been, yet ruxxar's answer was: he has never in fact "missed order of things". He has only made two conclusions on a same post. Like if you are town why the fuck would you not correct this to people? why? whywhywhy? | ||
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On August 12 2015 23:38 rsoultin wrote: nh unless he's basically just ignoring you and not really reading your posts anymore, i have no answer for that i assumed you were pushing him for what he actually did lol >< bad me yeah seems like alot of people are just ignoring me and do not read my posts. why do i even bother? ruxxar + hopeless. Associative read says Palmar So it's either purplehaze or deconduo. I'll go do something else. | ||
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What he does this game makes no sense at all from town perspective. Like i know i have read him wrong in the last two games on D1, but i NEVER ended up voting for him and it was different. This here doesn't make any sense at all. | ||
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On August 13 2015 00:06 ruXxar wrote: I noticed this later but didn't care to correct you. Now can you answer the question I asked you: Do you think scum are more likely to sheep your push or try to defend me? rofl. yeah looks really town...... No, i don't answer you. Because it doesn't matter. Like can you fucking understand you are trying to put me into a situation i don't even believe in so i can't give an answer that is legitmate. | ||
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Like if you think this is anything but ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE town play then you are just [redacted]... And i do not believe that, so that makes you mafia. | ||
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On August 13 2015 04:36 prplhz wrote: isn't hopeless the guy who never does anything d1? no | ||
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On August 13 2015 04:42 rsoultin wrote: lol not a winning strat just get better at reading him xP sorry but fuck you, you are talking to a guy with a sense of logic. | ||
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On August 13 2015 04:41 deconduo wrote: Do you have a case on hopeless? I had a quick look through your filter and didn't see anything. can you make your own decision on him? or is it like "if rayn does not have a case on him i won't..." (btw look closer, i do) | ||
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On August 13 2015 04:49 prplhz wrote: can we randomly lynch someone who isn't hopeless? there are other people in this game why would you ever say this ? like what the fuck? | ||
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On August 13 2015 04:51 prplhz wrote: what about VE i don't remember him being so under the radar? he is town. | ||
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On August 12 2015 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Look man if you are town you need to try to get your reads out no matter how good/bad they are, because that's what you do as town. If people (like i do) scumread you for it then they do, who cares. If you are scum please feel free to continue acting like you don't give any fucks and just hide behind smartass questions which is what you do as mafia. I have actually never tried to meta you (because i usually don't remember what you have posted the game before when the next game begins) until now, 15mins ago. | ||
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On August 13 2015 04:53 prplhz wrote: isn't VE usually the guy who talks a lot and asks stuff of everybody and this game he's had weird reads that no one else have had. the trfel thing fell apart and now he's just doing the deconduo thing even though people aren't really into that either and he seems perfectly content. no | ||
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On August 13 2015 04:53 deconduo wrote: Some top quality posts by VE: how about you show how these posts are scummy instead of just wuoting them? I could quote all of your posts and ACTUALLY tell why they are useless. But you, go. Why is VE mafia because of this? | ||
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On August 13 2015 04:59 Damdred wrote: If I may interject I remember awhile ago I rolled scum with hopeless and he was more active as scum than town in that game. And in the game right after/bedore he rolled scum and hard pushed me almost all day to try to get me lynched over himself. While town he just doesn't do as much to me? So I'm a little meh about that lynch just reflecting yeah so who the fuck do you want to lynch then? You just interject with all the lynch targets like a baws and have nothing to offer. Go home or what the fuck ever. | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:00 deconduo wrote: I mean you vote hopeless at the start without saying anything about him. Literally the only thing I can find is this, which you post after voting him: Not much of a case really. 1000x better than yours tbh. | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:03 Damdred wrote: I've been really polite and haven't called anyone bad or gotten upset to this point, so please show me the same respect. I have a really small lynch list like condor, ve maybe prp. Hopeless is a good big target but a lynch id say do one of the others. wh yare you this nonsensical Damdred? Why? ughhhhhhhh.... | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:05 ruXxar wrote: I love how you always brush away my questions instead of answering them. Lovely <3 your questions are stupid and they do not help the town find mafia so ofc i ignore them. vote for hopeless if you are town. | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:06 rsoultin wrote: -_- this is unreasonable how the hell do you come up with this read? because damdred is being fucking weird and idk... robotic. instead of finding mafia. | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:07 rsoultin wrote: oh lol you're saying damdy is scum and palmar's scumread makes palmar town, aren't you? god you don't even realize when you're doing the associative thing, do you? of course i realize it. iam not stupid. | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:10 ruXxar wrote: Because you're the one with all the answers, who determines what is the one and only absolute correct way to play mafia. All hail rayn our overlord. staph plz. | ||
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I want to lynch Hopeless because meta says he is mafia. His posting says nothing -> mafia. All the lurkers suddenly get active when i call Hopeless mafia (see prplhz and deconduo - without no real arguments at all). Kill with fire. fu ruxxar. | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:14 ruXxar wrote: I'm just waiting for the "ruxx you're brain dead retard" and "ruxx go die irl". again - and i am being serious - i can't answer you because your questions are stupid. go do something else please, unless you think i am mafia. | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:18 rsoultin wrote: can we lynch prp or condor plz? if i bat my eyelashes real pretty? i think i prefer prp just cause i know what his games look like, and condor's just objectively scummy to me, but really i'd be happy with either how about hopeless? | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:19 rsoultin wrote: i think if we lynch palmar we make a day of it...he can do this as either alignment, and it should be easier to tell which if he's got a fire lit under his ass. not today's lynch for sure no lynch palmar. | ||
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if i manage to lynch Hopeless as i am planning to and you are not supporting it, the last couple of posts will get you 100% lynched on D2 because i am going to fucking push it as you are stupid. I do not care if you/me are right or not. Yo uare just being stupid and ignorant because you - instead of commenting on what i have said - just bring up "how about's". can you see why this is terrible? | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:25 Damdred wrote: Lets lynch concord then maybe? no, definitely not. | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:27 rsoultin wrote: yes. i see that instead of wanting to lynch him for his play you want to lynch him by association which, btw, you have such a great track record with any more threats you want to throw my way, sweetcheeks? elaborate on the bolded part please. | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:28 rsoultin wrote: the point is this no reads thing isn't normal for him for either alignment -_- wrong. | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:27 Damdred wrote: Idk why he's town but him not giving reads being active doesn't make him scum since I looked at a few games meh. He's a good big shot but would rather lynch someone else for information SO WHO DO YOU SUGGEST?!?!?!?! You keep saying this all along and then you have no fucking alternative! | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:32 rsoultin wrote: the italicized is wrong because of what damdy pointed out, which you apparently aren't even following up on because? the bolded is the association am i wrong? what "meta" evidence are you referring to? I have quoted the meat i have pointed out to you TWICE. twice rsoultin.... TWICE........dsaönädfsblj-as read. th. thread. | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote: He hasn't even said why Damdred is scum though, and I have no idea on him. Why do you think he's scum? mr.roboto | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:35 rsoultin wrote: i have read it as far as i'm aware it's only based on last game and none of his scum games. i saw it, too. damdy's right about his scum games, though, so unless i'm missing something YOU ARE THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO READ wrong. go away. i am not really in a mood of this. | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Rayn, take a break from the game, like an hour at least to cool down because currently you're too angry which means everyone will just respond defensively and your point won't get through. It'll be better for both your mood and for the thread readability. Okay. I don't care to be honest. People arent even reading my posts properly and i am not in the "best mindset" tbh atm. mm.. i have an hour off. Do not let them idiots lynch non-Hopeless please my love Artanis? <3 | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:38 rsoultin wrote: then just show me how i'm wrong? obviously i don't understand if you have more than what i've said the post you are using as evidence. see bold. if you read my post about him this is really an assholish thing to say in the first place for you. no respect. | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:50 ruXxar wrote: You were saying you wanted to lynch hopeless all day. And as soon as the town sentiment starts swinging towards hopeless you suddenly don't want to lynch him anymore. Yes that is suspicious. dude to be honest your shennies on that Vivax post started when i first voted Hopeless so... | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:52 Damdred wrote: Because damdred pointed out games that this meta read isn't true in ... Which means he's just not here? I have no idea whta you have been arguing for but apparently it's about activity so no. | ||
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On August 13 2015 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote: For the record I would have sheeped you onto Ruxxar too rayn, I'm just cementing my vote to yours for today because lazy. It's okay. Hopeless is mafia. | ||
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On August 13 2015 06:07 prplhz wrote: it's not out of the question like some other people seem to think. it's not like i can only ask questions of my toppest scummest read. and then, it wasn't really a question (i know there's a question mark but it wasn't really phrased as a question and i don't know what you'd answer if you tried). i don't want to lynch you today but it's odd that you call me town when i think the only time i remember you've called me town has been when you were scum (debauchery). is this the best read you can get today? | ||
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On August 13 2015 06:23 Chezinu wrote: I see rayn is flooding the thread with orders. It is shocking that we don't have a better leader, but it seems no one is really pouring much effort into this game. remember this post when hopeless flips mafia. then yo uare going to die Chezinu. I promise. On N1. | ||
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On August 13 2015 06:19 prplhz wrote: i'm not even trying to discuss this, i didn't even think you were going to reply lol. you know how you mostly ignore stuff you don't like or agree with or is irrelevant? it's important because everybody has been town leaning on you but i don't think people should just mindlessly go with "rayn is town". what i posted about your read on me is cause for concern (not immediate concern, but still) so i'm pointing it out. i could ask you the very same question, if you think i'm town then why are you having this conversation with me? we can keep going but i'd much rather we drop it and focus on today's lynch though apparently people are going with hopeless anyway. what? | ||
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On August 13 2015 10:42 Damdred wrote: Either the wagon is a straight bus orbwe are hitting town sigh. Idk which Like this summarizes the EoD1 and the first thing doesn't even make any sense. | ||
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On August 13 2015 11:01 geript wrote: [spoiler=Final Vote Count]Final Vote Count Trfel (0): Hopeless1der (4): ruXxar (0): VisceraEyes (1): deconduo (8): Damdred (0): Chezinu (0): I am talking to you rsoultin, Artanis and Damdred. This is the situation you all thought is true at some point. What the fuck is mafia doing? rsoultin does not care. Artanis was afk because night(?) Damdred realizes this but still does not care. .... and you can't all even be mafia, to be honest i don't think any of you is.. why oh why? why are you doing this? | ||
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prplhz suddenly crawls up from his cave when votes start going towards Hopeless. There is zero mention in his filter about Palmar which i find out to be impossible unless he is mafia (Palmar is really good at reading him, and they ALWAYS "fight" when prplhz is town, or if they are both mafia). He isn't saying anything smart and is only focused on saing dumb things to me, by dumb i mean things that are not relevant to anything really. Hopeless just posts stuff that has zero thoughts behind it. Regardless of his activity in games that IS his scumplay, and NOT his townplay. As town he is at least trying to help, regardless of how people read his posts and regardless of if he gets lynched for it or not. He has literally zero intention to find mafia here, as i said he is just posting stuff. There was not really any reason to scumread deconduo until he posts more. prplhz has been around long enough to know this. I talked about it with rsoultin. The game is hella different than it used to be and we just witnessed the same thing with iGrok last game. The fact that deconduo never comes back to the thread should not be a reason to lynch him, he is just begging for a vig-shot. But it does not make him a good lynch, because you can't really tell his alignment from his posting. The votes and how they ended up on deconduo SHOULD have told you there is something really wrong with this lynch.... meh... Palmar i need you to step up here and do it quick. When i die i don't want this game to go on to autopilot mode which nearly lost the game in Down Under just because you lost your credibility by your "not caring" attitude early on. Please do start caring and please do it FAST. Artanis halp me. | ||
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Here is what i see when i read your filter: First you say you need something to sheep (which is basically what you say all D1 long). Okay fine. Then you argue against lynching Hopeless because there is no case which is literally incorrect because i actually made a case on him. Instead of addressing the case directly you get into an argument with me over something that is totally irrelevant to finding mafia. Then you call out VE (i guess you are suspicious of him then, because why would you do that otherwise?). That's also fine. Then you go into an argument with Artanis about deconduo, and during the argument - when i read it now - it seems like you are defending deconduo (by attacking Artanis' argument). That's also fine. What is NOT FINE is that your vote ends up on Deconduo given that you have: - said you just don't wanna lurker lynch (hopeless) but apparently lurkerlynching deconduo is okay for you ?!?!? - never ever commented on my ACTUAL CASE on Hopeless, and the fact that there was no case on deconduo - VE, who you are suspicious of, is basically the first person to push deconduo, and you just don't care about this at all? - You defend "deconduo" against Artanis. Hell Artanis even tells you VE is the first one to push deconduo, you still don't care. - After all this you just park your vote on deconduo.... Like how in your opinion does ANY of this make ANY sense at all? | ||
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On August 13 2015 20:23 prplhz wrote: i don't even know what you expected me to say about palmar. he's been afk all game. to me he's a great null in a sea of nulls. i don't know why you expect me to have a strong opinion on him or why you expect me to try to engage noticably with someone who often stubbornly just does what he feels like. well in contrary to you i have a strong ideo of ~7 people who he thinks are either town or mafia. i have zero idea who you think is mafia, so it's kinda unfair to call him "afk" or even "null". Because he has ACTUAL reads. If he posts his reasoning or not does not matter. | ||
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On August 13 2015 20:30 Vivax wrote: I'm not letting Artanis off the hook after what he did yesterday when he tried to move me to Decon using my own posts as a tool. But Artanis is not mafia. There is a certain difference in his play when he is scum. The way he addresses & acts towards me is either super hostile (in terms of he will either call me scum or just trash my reads with no real logic) or super buddy. In this game it's neither as while he disagrees with me on some things his criticism comes around as constructive and not a single bit bullshtitty. Like he is actually trying to work with me instead of how he does it as scum. Also the fact that he lynched deconduo and what happened after that is townie. If Artanis is mafia here he should think that (1) when deconduo flips town rayn can call him scum, which is bad and (2) when deconduo flips town he basically has to give me the keys to wreck his scumteam because he can't just argue against me, it's a suicide. So like, unless BOTH of Hopeless and Chezinu are town there is absolutely no reason why Artanis does what he did as mafia. And i think it's 100% impossible that they are both town, and 95% impossible that EITHER of them is town. Because otherwise i am missing too many things and there is just not fucking enough people who can be mafia. So like, i am not sure about prplhz. But the more he posts the more accurate my read gets. I don't know, i guess there is a possibility that rsoultin or Trfel is mafia in case prplhz is not. The point is we need to murder Hopeless. And do it quick, because him flipping mafia makes Palmar confirmed town and it also makes Artanis confirmed town. Then you can narrow it down. Hopeless' affiliation is really a big key to this game atm, it solves many things. Then we can ask rsoultin and Trfel (and prplhz) about their ignorance on Hopeless over deconduo, because at least with rsoultin i ACTUALLY explained her why Hopeless is likely mafia and why deconduo's play was not alignment indicative. She still fucking ended up lynching deconduo. I don't know, i am terrible at reading her on D1 because i find a lot of stuff she does too inconclusive and just plain out wrong. She gets better wehn the game goes on though, unfortunately i am probably not gonna be here playing the game at that point. So just doc me. | ||
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On August 13 2015 20:48 prplhz wrote: eh i'm sort of lost here. why do you think it matters that you think you have stronger opinions than i do? i don't really think it's unfair to call him afk, he's mostly been afk. i remember him saying exactly one thing, and that is that damdred is scum for how he entered the thread. and "null" is just my opinion, it has nothing to do with fairness. i don't read him as any alignment so he's null to me. i don't see why i should rely on my sense of righteousness to form reads. anyway, why do you think me not talking about palmar makes me scum? there's not really anything to talk about for town prpl. and as for scum prpl, well it's easy for him to just have whatever opinion on palmar since palmar isn't really around and didn't say a lot. Because usually you and Palmar go on each other in every single game. Now you don't. There is something wrong with it. And i don't know what that is. Like this same thing happened with Damdred/Xatalos in the last game i played. Something wrong, i can't explain what, but something does not make sense. At least one of you have to be scum for it to make sense, and i think Palmar is town. | ||
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On August 13 2015 22:46 rsoultin wrote: ye well, i don't know how to read hopeless as either alignment. i thought rayn had a way; he didn't. at least not in any way that he could explain. it was as simple as scumread over null read, and as i said when i changed votes, i didn't mind a hopeless lynch? i just preferred condor or prp...later just condor I am lynching you on day 2 for this post for several reasons: 1) My case never said anything about Hopeless "not having a single read". therefore you don't even know what you are talking about 2) You didn't even fucking read his scumgame therefore you don't even know what you are talking about 3) I am right 4) Damdred is wrong Everyone who can do Stormvote Hopeless. Then lynch rsoultin and Chezinu. | ||
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On August 14 2015 02:21 Damdred wrote: idk why 4 is even in there when I've said since yesterday to just big hopeless. Because i said Hopeless ismafia for X. You said "but he does Y in his scumgames, therefore he is not mafia because of X". And then rsoultin goes "okay seems like Damdred is right and rayn is wrong, btw i didn't even read the game kthxbye". fucking horrible. | ||
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On August 14 2015 03:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Chezinu was interested in switching the vote off Decon right before the lynch, off the cuff that looks townie but it could be a play I guess. I'm interested in hearing why rayn wants to lynch Chez. On August 13 2015 18:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem with Chezinu is that when he is town his ciphered posts do contain a shitton of information and thought if you go through them and try to understand what he is actually saying. When he is mafia they usually don't. Which is like here. The only things he has basically done is "Chezinu rule" and then "vote deconduo (AGAINST the Chezinu rule - as both of Damdred and Trfel are there aswell)". Chazinu is not stupid, and i KNOW he believes in the Chezinu rule. It makes literally no sense at all he is basically throwing his #1 read gathering mechanic into trash when it actually matters the most. | ||
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On August 13 2015 22:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Rayn why did you stop thinking Damdred was scum (presuming you did since you haven't named him in recent times)? Because of his defeatist attitude which i hate. But it's still probably town. | ||
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It does not pardon you from what you did rsoultin. You blindly trusted Damdred over me without even reading the game he quoted (hint: in that scumgame of Hopeless he doesn't really lay out a single thought process regarding his reads so i don't even know what the fuck is Damdred reading). | ||
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On August 14 2015 03:41 rsoultin wrote: ...when you're the one who can't communicate, or just sit here and scream something over and over without reading what others are saying I am sorry but fuck you. | ||
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On August 14 2015 03:45 rsoultin wrote: okay...see i get what you're saying now and it actually makes more sense than what you were saying before? that the reads had no reasoning behind them. that's not what you were saying before, though lol >< and i did read the first one he mentioned, not the second one was enough to prove that what i thought you were saying wasn't true @.@ i'm really going to laugh so hard if hopeless is town this game, btw, given all the time we've wasted here ^^ How can you even say this? Like you read the towngame from Hopeless and you didn't think he was giving out reads in that game but now your conclusion is "yeah i agree with you rayn" when i am saying "Hopeless tries to get his point across as town" which literally means he is giving out reads as town. LIKE WTF?? | ||
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On August 14 2015 03:48 rsoultin wrote: the only person's alignment in this game i'm more certain of than my own is damdred's, so i'm not very interested in wherever you're trying to push this until you actually start making some sense this is literally impossible. | ||
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He calls one guy town because other people call him scum?!?!? He calls one guy scum and in the same sentence says it's "OMGUS talking" so it's not a read. Then he calls another guy scum because they called someone mafia when someone else did a similar thing and they didn't call them mafia. Even without reading the game at all and only that one post where there are "reads" you can easily tell those are not reads at all, they are just some words. Here, i quote you something: On April 03 2014 12:19 some dude wrote: So I'm really glad that I just read through 20 pages of gum/rayn fighting. Going into it I had a town read on rayn scum on gum and null on steve. Coming out of it gum looks even scummier steve looks scummy and so does rayn tbh. (there has to be 2 towns in each group right?) Like I could make cases on all of you guys, GUM: basically to me Rayn's case on gum is really strong he pretends to set some trap that doesn't work (but seems like it would only catch town if it did work) and then calls rayn scum for it. I thought rayn refuted his claim pretty well and answered some questions on it. Balla brought up a good point last night about how gum accussed rayn of doing the same thing he was doing in ignoring steve and being scummy for it. I think gum went into mega defensive mode and just started throwing shit at rayn and rayn did the same until rayn saw gum say he swears hes town. Rayn: Looks good for his case on gum then does this 180 and instantly believes him on the thing he said about swearing. I find it really odd that logical rayn town would drop his biggest case on someone he knows has a 50/50 of being scum just because he said one thing. This makes rayn look scummier in my eyes because he might have felt like others would see that and if he kept tunneling he would out himself if he were scum so he hipster switched so he could be the first one to say thats the case. (For me this means nothing btw its a game about lying I expect anyone in here would say anything to not look more town as scum and I would never fault anyone for it, I'd swear on my grandma's grave I was town and my grandma isn't even dead) So I find this really odd of rayn to switch here. Steve: Steve then has like the weirdest reaction ever and says someone is cheating and starts getting all emo and bent out of shape about something that to me just made his cellmate rayn look more scummy and changed nothing on my read on gum. So If I was steve I would be asking the mod why he put two scum in my group not going on about cheating and such. So after 20 pages of bullshit-in-fighting of one cell if this were a normal game I'd probably lynch all of them and assume I hit at least 2 scum. In this game sadly only 1 is scum and 2 are town. So rayn's case on gum looks like it comes from a town point of view and maybe he is just a reactionary player and did the swap onto steve because he has some weird set of mafia morals that I would never follow so I'll give rayn the town pass here. (Now later on in the thread I think he makes other contributions to be more townie as well so this got strengthened even more so) Steve emo quitting reminds me of rayn doing the same thing in Titanic about coag being a hydra. Rayn emod for a couple hours and turned out to be town here so I'm going to assume thats what is happening here cause I still haven't seen gum do anything really very townie and there can be only one scum. (I also have more reasons on steve here in a second based on another read.) Right now Scum=Gum, Rayn = Town, Steve = Town cause gum is scum. I'd just like to say this is exactly what scum would have wanted in this game and why my plan was amazing and if you guys focused elsewhere the reads would be more spread out and varied and could be scumx2 or 3xtown or something but instead we have 20 pages of fighting that might net us 1 scum and thats only if one becomes obvious which to me it hasnt. /end rant on my system as I still read Balla/Rayn as town and they both think its shit. More on other scum that popped up during the Cell 1 Battle royale. On April 03 2014 12:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Congratulations you just made a 1000 word post that started with: gumshoe is mafia and ended with: gumshoe is mafia PROFIT! ~rayn This is in reference in what Hopeless actually says in the FF game. How can people not understand that jsut writing words/quoting posts does not actually mean a person is ACTUALLY saying something. And for the record rsoultin; Acme is NOT the other game Damdred was referring to, this is: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468642-avogadros-number-mini-mafia?user=Hopeless1der Which is a game where Hopeless says absolutely nothing ofrelevance all game long and every smart player in the game was like "fuck i would 100% lynch Hopeless every day in this game because he is doing jack shit but he claimed prime and it doesn't make any sense as mafia so let's just say he is town and ignore". That is literally what happened in the game - the dude was 100% mafia because of his non-commitalness but we could not lynch him because there were bad townies in the game and he had a roleclaim he yolo'ed at the start of the game. | ||
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On August 14 2015 04:29 Vivax wrote: Ok maybe I won't buy it, saying that lynching decon gives you more information is fucking stupid. I said exactly the opposite since of the two between hope and decon, decon was more informative and worthy of being kept alive. I don't see at all how you can say that keeping hopeless alive is more informative since I've been proven right given he didn't post a single thing this night. I was just about to write this. | ||
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On August 14 2015 04:24 Damdred wrote: I really can't be assed to care. I've been called stupid and bad this entire game basically, because I hard defended town read tux had no idea who to lynch yesterday but knew that lynching hopeless would give us the least amount of information and he was best big shot. I get called stupid more even though people who are the thread *leaders* parrot me when they enter the thread and insult me some more. I hope I get lynched by these assholes honestly. If lynching Hopeless gives you the least amount of information then by default lynching deconduo gives you more information no? You voted for deconduo remember? | ||
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On August 14 2015 04:42 Damdred wrote: (1)Where did I say specifically that Dec was the most informative lynch or (2)around eod was my prefered lynch then (1) That is not what anyone is arguing. (2) your vote said that | ||
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On August 14 2015 04:45 Damdred wrote: 1) vivax said that 2) I had to vote well next time I'll just modkill myself 1) no he didn't, he said - as i did - that you were saying "deconduo lynch yields us more information that Hopeless does", just because by default if Hopless lynch yields us the least information the conclusion that deconduo > Hopeless in terms on info MUST be true. Nowhere is he saying you said lynching deconduo gives us the most information, "more" != "most". 2) i can't understand you, you voted for deconduo, therefore he has to be your preferred lynch at the time, why would you vote for him otherwise? I don't care about the reasons but the fact you voted for him literally MAKES HIM YOUR PREFERRED LYNCH. | ||
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On August 14 2015 04:50 Damdred wrote: 2 is one of the most idiotic things I've ever heard you say rayn. And one isn't far behind it. Like literally reaks of rayn didn't read, why don't you read the thread rayn why? Wel lthen you should have maybe done done something BEFORE the last minute on EoD instead of calling us names now. And no, there is nothing wrong with my (1). If you can't understand it then i can't help you. | ||
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On August 14 2015 05:10 rsoultin wrote: your 1 is semantics, rayn -_- No it fucking isn't. It's like someone says "there is exactly one mafia between X and Y". When X flips mafia they start yelling "WHERE DID I FUCKING EVER SAY Y IS TOWN???". You should maybe take some logic classes. | ||
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On August 14 2015 05:15 rsoultin wrote: literally if someone says that x's flip gives the least info then by default every single other flip in the game gives more info, but how is that even important? which means it's just semantics that you're arguing It is important because: - Damdred was LITERALLY against lynching Hopeless because it doesn't give any informaton - He was not against lynching deconduo for the same reason - So that should give him at least some information Instead of processing this and scumhunting (which he hasn't basically done all game long - he's been more keen of calling people's cases bad with no alternatives to present) he goes all demotivated and still doesn't do anything smart. I don't care if he calls same people scum than i do. I don't care if his reads are the same that other people's are now. I care about the fact he isn't doing anything that is productive in the slightest. | ||
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On August 14 2015 05:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Can you explain to me why VE definitely isn't mafia so that I don't mislynch him if you end up dying? Because of his case on Trfel, he took a different approach than other people did and it actually made sense. Also his approach to "whoever says VE is scum must be mafia", it is what he does as town. And also the rant between him and Vivax was pure town VE. | ||
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Fine, it doesn't help your case because: 1) you would say that as mafia anyways regardless of Trfel's affiliation 2) you voted for deconduo instead of arguing a lynch on Trfel. | ||
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1) You didn't follow the Chezinu rule (instead you voted AGAINST it on deconduo and not Hopeless) 2) You also did vote with Artanis who is your scumread (again, on deconduo and not Hopeless) 3) Your reasoning for that is that you wanted to sheep VE. Here is an example of the game D1 i last played with you: + Show Spoiler + D1 votecount: KillerSOS (4): The_Templar, Hopeless1der, GlowingBear, Alakaslam hopeless1der (3): Holyflare, VisceraEyes, ritoky sicklucker (3): Fecalfeast, Chezinu, Damdred TheTemplar (2): liancourt, raynpelikoneet liancourt (1): KillerSOS Damdred (1): sicklucker Why are you not voting with VE here? What's different in this game? You have basically called me town all game long, i would expect you to pay attention to what i say and who i vote for on D1. Instead of this you go against the Chezinu rule AND for some reason you are okay voting with your scumreads instead. Are you trying to throw the game? Because that's what you are doing if you are town. | ||
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Because you would medic dodge me. You probably would not shoot vivax because he's swingy. Damdred and rsoultin aren't at their best. VE is basically +1 vote for me regadless of what he does and unlynchable if i am alive. So yeah. No other kill doesnt really make sense. Also why would you not die? Why does neither of us die? | ||
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On August 14 2015 18:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Fair enough. Just went through VE's filter real quick and he wasn't really going after anyone. Last person he pointed a finger at was Palmar. I believe VE is actually the only person that's been suspicious of Palmar this game. Palmar's gonna lose in the end in case he is mafia anyways. I dont really care about Palmar at this point.. | ||
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I guess it's going to be long night tonight... | ||
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Unless one of theirs is bill. Or someone is making a really good play as town. Or i am lying. Find out when i flip. | ||
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Whoever can tell me why will probably get a townpass. | ||
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And if you are, what is your check? Final anwer. I wont ask this again. | ||
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On August 13 2015 06:23 Chezinu wrote: I see rayn is flooding the thread with orders. It is shocking that we don't have a better leader, but it seems no one is really pouring much effort into this game. Interesting. | ||
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On August 14 2015 20:26 Palmar wrote: did we get a claim for the hero vig who shot that guy? Me, ruxxar and artanis. | ||
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On August 14 2015 21:54 Palmar wrote: fuck I guess that confirms me as a role. Jesus, I need to pay more attention to these things. yes. | ||
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On August 15 2015 07:18 Chezinu wrote: The game is over. The troll is over. We have a drunken rage as a leader who can be cured with love or hugs. Good job | ||
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I am pretty sure he is not mafia. | ||
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On August 15 2015 19:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The Hopeless/Trfel interaction still bothers me though, it seems like a small point but does scum really focus their attention on responding to another scum when they barely post at all? I have something on Trfel when i read his filter earlier. I'll be just dstaring a game on Heroes, i'll post that later. And i am still bothered with prplhz "can we just kill someone that is not Hopeless" comment. | ||
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On August 15 2015 19:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I kind of want to lynch Rsoul actually. She hasn't really done much but comment on the game, reminds me a lot of Wave in Noir. I believe there is no way rsoultin does not shoot either me or you in the N1. | ||
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On August 13 2015 02:43 Trfel wrote: I don't like lynching lurkers. There is some reason to lynch deconduo, he has played in a large number of mafia games and I would expect him to do something other than a single setup-based read. That feels more malicious than just lurking. Like this is the post i am talking about. There is so much wrong in this post. | ||
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On August 16 2015 00:29 Vivax wrote: Btw I don't think I've ever seen Chez making these kind of posts (the long emotional ones). Artanis can you explain what made you vote chez most of all without telling me to go read the day and expecting to have the same opinion ( a la ruxxar). Me neither. I do have seen him ragequit video mafia when dailymafia players lynched him when he was pretty much the most obvious town in the game. So in that manner it's kinda similar (although he is not "!the most obvious town" here).. | ||
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On August 16 2015 01:25 rsoultin wrote: rayn...rayn...rayn...i have issues with him but i'm trying to understand what it is about that post that you hate so much? is it just that condor was a lurker when he said he didn't want to lynch lurkers? No it's like he approaches the whole Hopeless and deconduo as whole. Here is the post: On August 13 2015 11:00 Trfel wrote: Most of it is because deconduo is scummy, Hopeless1der is null. Deconduo is more active, but he spent most of his posts arguing about one thing that VisceraEyes said and not changing his opinions based on what other people said. He seemed extremely stubborn, and then used mechanics as a defense only after other people jumped on it. I really don't like unflipped association analysis. I don't really care who I'm voting with, especially on Day 1 (though it is nice to be against ruXxar). Like he says "deconduo has played a shitton of games, i would expect him to do something". If you go to the database and look at the "most games played, you'll find out that: ... Hopeless1der 33 Artanis[Xp] 32 Foolishness 31 slOosh 31 VayneAuthority 31 deconduo 30 ... It's like, he calls deconduo mafia because deconduo is a vet and should know better "how to play", except that Hopeless has played MORE games than deconduo, and deconduo has been inactive for like what.. two years? In fact Hopeless is the one who "should know better" here. It's hard to explain but the approach as a whole doesn't make any sense at all. Another thing is this: On August 14 2015 15:16 Trfel wrote: Maybe Chezinu, depending on what he does next. Maybe prplhz, I need to read his filter again tomorrow. Maybe rsoultin? I've kind of been ignoring her? I need to take a closer look at what ruXxar's saying. Artanis is looking a bit better, but I'm still concerned..... Same with Damdred. I don't really feel like filter diving tonight. There are two massive red flags here in this post. First one is that Trfel has literally no scumreads at all. The second one is the bolded red part. Notice he is talking about a guy who he has called mafia ALL GAME LONG (before Hopeless flip). Yet he doesn't somehow remember what ruxxar has posted and done. It's basically impossible he is telling the truth here. The logical conclusion for nayone who has read anything ruxxar has posted is that ruxxar is town. Yet he is somehow incapable of making the conclusion. I don't believe that. | ||
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On August 16 2015 01:49 rsoultin wrote: nh the second bit is really strong actually...i know i've seen hopeless around, but not condor at all, and truffle's the type to do the footwork rather than just say shit as for ruxxar, given how many people i've had to fight with the last couple games, i dunnae that that's a good argument. you'd definitely think he'd be paying more attention to his own scumread, though @.@ the thing is ruxxar DID actually push Hopeless, and while being illogical he pushed Hopeless over Vivax. Scum don't usually push their mates over town, AT LEAST with illogical arguments. | ||
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On August 16 2015 02:16 Damdred wrote: This whole thing just makes me tear my hair out. Like 100% what Vivax has said speaks ot me about rayn, hes somewhat forgotten his ruxxar scum read during the night phase. I mean I think rux is town, but his play was really similar to last game, and the d1 vote switchto hopeless and rayn never considering rux super bussing or anything past n1 is just weird in a sense. I think hes town still at this point but it just bugs me a bit. Because Prp is more prone to just not do shit as mafia even when he needs to, which is alignment indicative. However truffle being afk isnt' as alignment indicative. I have no idea what you are trying to say in this post? | ||
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You would know that if you have ever played a setup with soupkills before or if you are mafia in this game. It. Makes. Zero. Sense. | ||
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On August 16 2015 02:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Speaking of soup, voice mafia tonight? I dunno what we are going to do yet but it's not entirely out of question. | ||
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On August 16 2015 02:26 ruXxar wrote: For those who didn't play gaiden, I understand why you think trfel is suspicious. His town game is basically being lazy and not reading the thread. And then he makes DMAs like the one he made on me earlier. Funny because i jsut went into his filter in Gaiden and i actually had to double check i am not accidently reading this game... | ||
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He says stuff i don't believe is possible for him to say if he is town. | ||
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no he is not. | ||
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I ma pretty sure you have not played with Chezinu. No he is not. | ||
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On August 16 2015 03:00 Damdred wrote: Chez always plays like this, in forum, in scum qt, in chat even in voice mafia. On September 09 2013 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Game start. Chezinu talks about monsters all N0 so nobody else can say anything, and everyone just laughs. D1 Chezinu again talks about monsters for another 3 minutes. VE votes for Chezinu We ask for a cop claim Chezinu talks again about the monsters, and votes for VE When asked for reasoning he says "Chezinu rule.." Everybody assumes he is the cop and has a red check on VE. VE the scum has been hammered. Chezinu was indeed a cop but had a green check on yamato. Hell even in video mafia. Hell the dude came to the game dressed up in all green clothes because he was town. | ||
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On August 16 2015 05:28 Chezinu wrote: ##unvote ##vote prplhz | ||
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On August 16 2015 05:00 Trfel wrote: The way that he moved his suspicions away from Hopeless1der and onto deconduo is suspicious by itself, but then he suggested a non-Hopeless1der storm vote (Palmar) and afk'd basically as soon as Hopeless1der flipped mafia. If he were mafia here, the Hopeless1der flip basically gives him away and I can definitely see him losing his motivation to play. guys just read this. meh meh meh... | ||
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Because if prplhz flips town and we lynch Trfel the next day you suddenly become #1 lynch on D4. | ||
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On August 16 2015 06:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You haven't really been pushing Trfel like he's 100% either. I don't understand how you can say he won't flip town. incorrect. | ||
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There is no that in this game. Palmar you know this, marv knows this. I know this. | ||
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On August 16 2015 08:18 rsoultin wrote: eh the thing is this just sounds like town truffle :/\ fuck it lol >< what does? | ||
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On August 16 2015 08:40 prplhz wrote: dunno if i'm getting lynched and i'm not really up to date but maybe scum is rso and...... palmar? no, Trfel is scum. idk, maybe rsoultin. Or someone. I don't fucking know. | ||
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Go lynch town again. I don't care. I don't care because i am not being listened to and i don't know how the fuck i can be more clear than i have already, on EVERY point of this game. But at some point i just lynch the people who lynch town over scum when both are on the line. Do what you have to, it's possible i am wrong, but i am not. | ||
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sorry man both scum in that wagon. i am so fucking sure of it. | ||
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so do what you must. he will not flip mafia. | ||
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please lynch trfel. prplhz is not mafia. | ||
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On August 16 2015 08:44 rsoultin wrote: this :/ and lol >< again with your associative scumreads now for reals. i really want to know what was townie in that post rsoultin. because everything was scummy or NAI. | ||
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On August 16 2015 11:26 Damdred wrote: It was a good lynch imo. I think the list is pretty small who scum can be tbh. Rayn, vivax, rsoul are my top towns Prp is sorta safe tommorow was the counter wagon pushed by scum but that's a bit wifom, godfather could be the important role but I wouldn't lynch him the game could still be hard but I've played bad mostly so yeah Rux is town 99% sure chez is probably maybe sorta town...idk if this clears him since he does bus as scum but he did help not do a no lynch. Palmar town, I don't see scum palmar just sheeping two lynches on scjm buddy art is my main concern tbh I had a tr but so much going back and forth might would check him. Just to be safe How the fuck is it possible rsoultin is your TOP TOWN?!?! | ||
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On August 13 2015 04:49 prplhz wrote: can we randomly lynch someone who isn't hopeless? there are other people in this game why purplehaze why? why did you make this post? | ||
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Both of them have been wrong on both lynches. Both of them have ignored what i have said and i don't like it. Damdred looks a tiny bit better because he was actually arguing against me with real arguments instead of just agreeing with me then doing the opposite like rsoultin.... | ||
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On August 16 2015 17:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Dick move analysis suggests Damdred is town because I don't think he would've faked such a hissy fit as he did. I sorta agree. Although he was "demotivated" or demotivated aswell in the last game he was scum in. Not this much but still. It's not totally out of question for him to do it as mafia. But yeah like 80%. | ||
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I guess keirathi is nothing, and literally game isn't fun when all anyone does is confirmation bias and shout that I'm scum with no interaction. Its honestly really unpleasant Hi, I've had a really bad day. And it's not fun game for me even,if my scum read flipped scum. Meh, I'll do work in a bit | ||
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Artanis then let's talk and solve this shit. | ||
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she jsut sat on here hopeless/prplhz/deconduo all D1 and didn't do anything. And yes, ended up defending scum on both days. | ||
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"yeah good case rayn, i'll sheep that... wait no Trfel is town i forgot"..... | ||
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On August 16 2015 18:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also, I'm pretty sure prplhz is town now and I don't think I want to ever lynch him. It's like he tried to make himself look as bad as possible if he were scum. yes and there is still this thing where he doesn't act like he does as scum. He basically bitches at the gamestate at some point, and it's always forced. I am talking about posts like this: On February 15 2015 00:39 prplhz wrote: can you please not fucking do this the game is the game and outside of the game is outside of the game and you don't mix that shit up because there's no reason to do it and it cannot possibly lead to anything good i know you're just "lol" robik and blazinghand is like "i'm so good i can do what i want" but can you please not do this shit basically when he is scum there is always gonna be something like this from him. this game he would have had a lot of "reason" to make a post like that, yet he doesn't. | ||
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On August 16 2015 18:46 Chezinu wrote: 1. raynpelikoneet 2. Artanis[Xp] 3. Trfel 4. rsoultin 5. Damdred 6. ruXxar 7. Palmar 8. prplhz 9. deconduo 10. VisceraEyes 11. Hopeless1der 12. Chezinu 13. Vivax If we play color analysis on the player list. Mr. Truffle is 3 from the top and Hopeless is 3 from the bottom. To make it a pretty picture we need a 7 or an 8... Fred and Erika are dead mafia. E comes before F, therefore Erika gets lynched first. Ladies first you know. That means a man needs to come next. The next man is Henri. We have already experience Grace with our day 1 mislynch because we had the storm vote to save our hopelessness. So therefore, we should probably lynch Henri. Henri should be between numbers 4 and 8 for beauty purposes. Cause most storms be women and they take care of all them groomings. Next we need to look at colorful boxes to see the colors of our red storms. Well i am uncc'd Bill so maybe you should color me green Kubrick? | ||
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On August 16 2015 18:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Are you confident Chez is town? Yes i am. I am like 95% sure of it unless he just decided to literally troll all game and claim mafia over and over again (the GF Trfel shit N1). But his rant when being close to lynched does not support that so... yes, i am definitely sure he is town. | ||
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On August 16 2015 18:51 Chezinu wrote: A litte love and hug goes a long way... :') Love me please pretty? <3 | ||
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Mafia almost definitely has a rolecop. The non-soup on me N1 doesn't make any sense otherwise. I actually did what i did on purpose, since town should never cc even if your rolename is claimed. The only way it makes sense i was not tried of being souped is because there is a rolecop and someone is going for big plays in the end (or if scum is Bill). + Show Spoiler + I already congratulate the billy for a good play, even when this is not post-game yet <3 That's why it's really really important to not bus in this setup, and as i said people who are mafia in this game know it. The longer you survive the better chances you have at all-souping the town, it is literally the best play. I also claimed because when there is one claim out, regardless of if it is true or not noone can ever claim anything in order to survive a lynch (unless you are mafia). I wanted to negate that. So yes, we are down to 1 mafia. Very good. Now let's kill it. | ||
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Artanis is right, you haven't done jack all game. It's time to start if you are town. | ||
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And wanted to lynch Trfel? And wanted to lynch Hopeless? what.. what what? | ||
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Because you cannot just say "everyone else looks town" as your tonereads aren't really at the best at this game. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 22 2015 00:35 rsoultin wrote: Okay, for all you people who apparently include hf who don't read the rsoul language Association made me question my read on gb, yes, but i kept on coming back to thinking he was town based on some tonal things that were absent in his last scumgame where he smurfed It bugged me, though, cause there were a lot of scummy things going on with the votes surrounding the day one lynch. If you read my lists post, what i was doing was taking a look at people's voting pattern vice where their reads stood and basically judging how realistic it was that they ended up voting where they did. i've done this before with a fair amount of success and it doesn't actually require me to know the alignment of the wagon(s) that hasn't/haven't flipped most of those "this voting looks fishy" reads surrounded votes on bf that saved gb...or lack of votes. i still thought my toneread was right because i caught him as scum (which no you can't verify) in the game he just smurfed in solely by looking at his filter for a few minutes using that same toneread hf mentioned game of thrones, however. i wanted to see this shitfight he referred to, cause all the evidence was suggesting my toneread was wrong not only does glowingbear's filter bounce around similarly to how it is here (negating my toneread entirely) but it also did a few things that made me feel uneasy 1) it focused on scummy lurkers, same as here - i've seen gb go after hf and marv d1 fuck the consequences, so he's not one of those let's play d1 safe kind of players; he goes for whoever he's scumreading and doesn't give a shit 2) this reminded me (yes i have a brain like this) that his defense in mafia mini mafia ALSO focused a lot on the WHY would i do this as scum defense rather than how he treated my case on him in carol, which was basically "not gonna read that shit cause it's all wrong since i'm town" <- marv actually criticized the whole "why would scum do this" line of reasoning/defense in obs in mafia mini mafia2 which is why it stuck in my head so basically i'm scumreading him for four reasons if we get right down to it: 1. my initial toneread is demonstrably wrong given game of thrones 2. the lurker thing is eerily similar 3. how he is defending himself this game 4. the fact that the lynch really doesn't make much sense if he's town, which is why i put the legwork in to see if maybe my read was just wrong in the first place does everyone get it now? if you read my filter all of these things were mentioned but probably not explained thoroughly cause i tend to lol...i dunnae post like i think rather than be particularly explanatory On June 17 2015 12:53 rsoultin wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2015 12:29 wherebugsgo wrote: 1. The responsibility deflection was the first thing that caught my eye-rsoultin's first post in the game in which her comment on LS came off to me like she didn't want to commit too strongly one way or another on LS because doing so would cement her in that position. It's something I find scum do so they can give off the air that they have reads but in reality they are setting themselves up for the possibility of swinging the other way later. In this post she comments on several players but none of the reasons are very specific at all. I would be interested in knowing what this apparent metaread on onegu is now but I doubt she'll give anything forth given how hard she fought not to provide any reasons for the damdred read. A lot of these things come across as faked, or they are just surface-level things like the "lol so angry rit" which really doesn't do anything except give us the impression that rsoultin is doing something. there's also this post: The bolded to me is very interesting because it shows that she cares about how her reads come off. As a townie you know if you haven't explained something and if you list a read without an explanation you can just explain it when someone asks you. In fact this is a fairly good thing to do and lots of people do it all the time. However here it is as if she is anticipating someone asking her for an explanation and this is her way of shadowing that she will not explain them. What town motivation does a player have for doing that? Finally her responses to me when I tried to get her to elucidate the LS and damdred reads were both literal rehashes of her original post, and that brings me to point #2 2. Despite the amount of times she has posted, she continues to go in circles and doesn't actually progress anywhere. So for example she says this: So here she says she doesn't generally qualify her tonereads because they apparently mean nothing to anyone but her... First of all, if that's true, why would she ever bother putting a toneread in the thread if it doesn't mean anything to anyone but her? That's basically admitting she's only doing it for brownie points. Later, the best part is that she says this: Let's see that side by side: The best part is that she admits that she doesn't qualify her tonereads because they don't mean anything to anyone except her. This is first of all an excuse in itself for not providing a reason in the first place, and it doesn't make sense because if the read doesn't mean anything to anyone then why post it all? Secondly she goes ahead and does "explain" it which I don't know how you can call it that. It's literally saying "I think he is town because he sounds town." Then later she says "didn't I explain my toneread?" No, she copped out of explaining it. When I demanded an example she just dumped a link to a game instead of actually making any sort of effort to prove that she legitimately believed what she said she did. and then there's this Which again is a rehash of what she said earlier about me not reading...okay, fine, but as you can see in the post I just quoted, she literally doesn't have any reads! She said herself that she has five townreads, the following people: BUT that everything else is "leans" and not all of these are strong. She also admitted that she didn't explain (at least some) of these reads. Sounds to me like she doesn't have any reads. So how exactly am I failing to read her here? She simply says that to discredit me. Townies don't do that and they don't contradict themselves so blatantly or misrepresent themselves either. good lord i don't feel like dealing with this today -_- fine 1. the LS read - i get him wrong a lot. that i said he was town at all this game toward the beginning was anything BUT a responsibility deflection. i simply gave it the weight it deserved. if i'm not good at reading him, i don't want people taking my read on him as gospel, but it IS the way i'm reading him right now 2. the damdred read - i feel that my toneread on damdred based on the fluidity of his posts is good enough. you do not. enough said. i stand by that read 3. the five townreads - reading my filter you would find that i've given reads on ls/damdred and have not on the other three. i refused to give a reason for fidei. no one bothered to ask about anyone else. i was being facetious since i was already being accused of not having a reason for one of the players that i did have a reason on breshke - we think ridiculously alike when he's town. the fact that he's saying things that already resonate with me plus knows exactly what i'm talking about while being obscure means he is most likely town. breshke is slow to make reads but his posts are especially insightful. i love playing with him gb - he has a tendency of going every which way as town. he knows that he does this (but i doubt he can help himself...and know that he's bad at replicating it as scum) the longer the thread went on, the more difficulty he seemed to have focusing on just one thing. while he can tunnel as town, i've only seen this level of disorganization from town gb ls - the read basically mimics damdy's so i felt no need to repeat it damdy - his style is interesting. he used to not post much and just come in with a case on a scumread late in the day phase, but he got pushed so often for it (and he gets highly frustrated at being scumread as town) so then he started offering weaker reads early. if you actually cared to look at the game i linked, he came in with an immediate scumread on team mate gb in that game, to the exclusion of pretty much all else, and even made the mistake of townreading someone for reaching the same conclusion as him with completely opposite reasoning. and yes, to me his posting seemed very stiff. i was scumreading him most of d1/n1 until i derped like an hour before i was nk'd -_- my reads are because i know the players. meta-wise and tone-wise. it's personal to me, and no, i don't expect everyone else to get it, nor is there a real need to overexplain townreads when they're not getting lynched unless stubborn people keep insisting on it next time ask -_- if it's not repeating myself i'm usually very forthright as for VA...i've seen what he's capable of, but i also know how lazy he can be so i'm hesitant to vote him. he's scummy and being useless with the posts going nowhere and the opportunistic vote on a townie (assuming it made it to the vote thread) however i wouldn't put it past him to just want to lynch me for getting him mislynched last game as scum >> the reasons i don't like hf are in the thread. he says it's a shit metaread, and on the surface perhaps it is. however it is undeniable that a scum hf tends to have very shallow reasons for scumreading people and be less forceful/proactive. there may or may not be another reason i distrust him right now i also feel that ksc's posting is off, but i'm not as familiar with him. if he's not masons with hf, there was absolutely no reason to townread hf at the point where he said he'd just sheep whatever hf did. i don't like that any more than i like his push on ls based on reasons that don't make ls scum On June 25 2015 13:11 rsoultin wrote: Fidei and I are town LS still firmly town by not an asshole rule VA is invisible to me Mig is scum. Lynch him. The likelihood that he isn't is so infinitesimal here and this guessing game bs he's trying to sell is ridiculous. Assuming mig is scum cause if he's not game over anyway -_- holyflare very likely scum. Scum play like that makes little sense otherwise. mig can move his vote to keep HF the lynch even if the missing players miraculously turn back up the remaining five are irritating i want to read nyd and damdy town on tone and apparently my tone thing is worth paying fucking attention to ruxx was doing the "don't know what was going on" thing around eod, saying should he trust townread gb or scumreads va and mig? like, what? that looks quite a bit like he's gearing up to switch over if he has to, cause that makes no earthly sense (i still maintain bugs hyper tunneling three towns d1 including one that he was STILL hyper tunneling gb through n1 is probably not going to be your nk...but here's the real kicker. ruxxar, a newbie, replaced in FOUR HOURS before the Day 2 post. and we're going with the ruxx was the mafia nk theory? ROFL) i'd actually probably even lynch ruxx before hf in this circumstance, to be frank also not really seeing much from shock other than just tunneling ls and gb so eh so my issue with oneg is that some of his reactions/analysis has been weird...i wish i had examples at the moment but the instavote on me for instance but not responding to the hf red check the same way? what? so i'm kinda torn between him and shock, honestly, and regardless there's still plenty of time to figure it out mig/ruxx/hf/shock or oneg? This is your townplay. Especially the last post. The last post is honestly the best post i have almost ever read in any fucking mafia game ever (not counting my D2 post in Titanic VII because i am an egomaniac bastard dealwithit). Why are you not playing like this? why? It doesn't make any sense to me in case you are town. You just fucking give up when you have been wrong and go shitfighting with Artanis. You are not thinking clearly. Because right now you are the biggest suspect in the game, just because you haven't done anything in this game readwise. Can you not see this? You really haven't. If you are town, clear your head. Then come up with some ACTUAL reads, with ACTUAL reasoning. Explain yourself, do not get fucking lynched, because if you are you are throwing. I don't want you to throw the game if you are town. I want to win, and i know you want to win aswell. So, please. Pretty please. | ||
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On August 16 2015 23:40 rsoultin wrote: goddamn it rayn what of what i've already said don't you understand?! i don't know how to make it any clearer! can you tldr; ir? I am not reading you two ranting at each other anymore. damdred, can you make a case? Why can't anyone make a one simple case? | ||
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On August 16 2015 23:38 Damdred wrote: This is depressing, I think arts more likely scum than. Rs for sure. Why is this depressing? We just lynched mafia. Why would you care if you were wrong? Why does it make this "depressing", you should be happy we lycnhed mafia regardless of what you voted. Why are you not making any sense? | ||
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On August 16 2015 23:54 rsoultin wrote: the ones who look worst on the wagon are viva and artanis...artanis had no reason to switch just sheepled. viva caused a no-lynch if chez didn't move. chez moving practically clears him...and i really have a hard time seeing a scum viva this game what does this mean? can you elaborate more? | ||
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On August 17 2015 00:38 ruXxar wrote: We were in a 5v5 vote situation. In this game the rules specify that an even vote == nolynch. No i mean what is your logic in saying this? I think it was: prplhz (5) Trfel (5) correct? Vivax put the vote into 5-5 right? That's what you are saying? | ||
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your and damdred's argument is that vivax is scummy because he made the vote into 5-5. It does not make any sense because what is vivax supposed to do if he thinks Trfel is mafia and prplhz is not. Like he cannot vote? You just made that argument. What is the townie move for Vivax in the situation where Trfel is at (4) and prplhz is at (5) and he thinks Trfel is mafia? Tell me. | ||
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On August 17 2015 13:34 geript wrote: I can't find the post (maybe it was in Shadow QT), but Artanis made a really fucking good post on Rsoultin. In effect it said: "When prolific posters are mafia, in general they tend to still post a bunch but they tend to talk about very little. That's basically a summary of what Rsoultin has been doing this game." It's a really good point and it's something that IMO both Rayn and Damdred should've picked up on as that's specific heuristic I've explained to both of them (IIRC) for how I read her. So Tina, it's something that if you end up playing scum later on, it's something you should work on because you tend to post as prolifically as normal, but the content of what you say is significantly diminished. What are you talking about? That's like all i was talking about after D2? Rayn. I think you're a good player. I think you need to find a way to be a bit more nice. I know that english isn't your first language and that sometimes that fact gets in the way of explaining your reads properly. But you have a tendency to, when you get made, both turn other players off and make other players play worse. I know but i can't deal with stupid. | ||
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On August 17 2015 13:56 Chezinu wrote: Thanks for listen to my cries. Now we can be friends now cause we both lived as town together! haha yeah. well it made you obvious town. | ||
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I personally don't care if i get insulted and i try to keep it low. I am sorry for all the people who feel like insulted by me. :/ | ||
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It was at certain points super annoying to talk to you in this game. Maybe it's because you were mafia. Like whatever whoever said it ended up in a dumb argument over nothing and it would never go anywhere. I know i have done it once before on another forum. It's not even like you (or in this example i) did say anything "insulting", i just trashed on everything anyone said and called all the cases bad and made the thread unreadable. Yeah it can be a good scum strategy but a decent town should lynch that. | ||
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On August 17 2015 18:22 justanothertownie wrote: Still you did very well. The average # of lynched scum has really increased since you decided to play here again. dude we made a song yesterday from the scratch. trolol On August 17 2015 18:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I had a bbq on sunday and when I came back and saw Rso, Damdred, Ruxx and even Rayn questioning me I was like nooooo guys pls Rayn, you doubting me hurted It was mostly to get a better read on damdred & rsoultin because the discussion before wasn't productive at all in my opinion and i was not 100% sure yet. Basically noone else could be mafia there so discussion wouldn't hurt anyways. | ||
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On August 17 2015 18:22 justanothertownie wrote: Still you did very well. The average # of lynched scum has really increased since you decided to play here again. Okay to be honest i hated the thread GB put up on so it motivates me to not lynch a single townie. I have failed a couple of times though. | ||
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Like Vivax also deserves a lot of credit in this game. He was super townie from the beginning, i have never seen him like that and have never had this easy time reading him. Not only that he was right alot. Huge props. ruxxar gave me a headache... | ||
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On August 17 2015 19:01 justanothertownie wrote: Ruxxars crusade against Chezinu was quite hilarious in a bad way. At least he was fairly towny. It was more "hilarious" that the dude didn't correct me when i totally misread what he wrote... and he did it on purpose...!?!?!?? | ||
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It certainly didn't help Artanis had a green check on him rofl. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + I never even read your argument against deconduo lynch over Hopeless after i fell asleep at eod1. I didn't want to read it because i trusted my meta-read on you and didn't wanna second guess myself. I still don't know why you decided to lynch deconduo over Hopeless. rofl. <3 | ||
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On August 18 2015 00:29 Half the Sky wrote: Also reading through parts of the thread, what does "soup kill" mean? It's basically another name for "storm vote", as geript got that from (Palmar's witch craft) another setup, witch hunt. | ||
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