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funny i should've had tons of time for this game and then i'm afk for first 24 hours because i'm chopping wood okay i'll read some and post my thoughts | ||
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(i'm up to p21 btw) | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FYluDMO.jpg) | ||
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On August 12 2015 23:30 rsoultin wrote: reads would be amazing. much as i adore assholes, with your ton of nothing this game, you're wearing my patience lol | ||
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On August 13 2015 04:37 rsoultin wrote: except he's not making any reads at all...he usually at least does that ^^ does he make reads as scum? like hopeless isn't really playing so i'm trying to figure out if that's because he is scum or because of something non alignment indicative | ||
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dunno seems like hopeless just isn't here right now then. i guess we can sort of randomly lynch him though. | ||
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On August 13 2015 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: i am sorry i am trying to be nice to everyone and shit but it is just so hard when people do this shit..... brrrrr....... sounds like you're playing mafia! | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:03 Damdred wrote: I've been really polite and haven't called anyone bad or gotten upset to this point, so please show me the same respect. I have a really small lynch list like condor, ve maybe prp. Hopeless is a good big target but a lynch id say do one of the others. out of curiosity, why? | ||
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because i think the most scummy thing he's done is being inactive but it seems like he doesn't really play scum like this, it seems like he's just genuinely not here. | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:40 rsoultin wrote: lol but see with him they're defending town and with hopeless they're defending scum xD yes this is actually sort of funny. | ||
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next target me or damdred what you say? | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: prplhz you are probably town but please stop being a jackass and play ok? if i'm really being a jackass i assure you it's not intentional. also gonna remark on how it's weird you don't find me scummy? you used to find me scummy every single game and this is not my towniest of games for sure. | ||
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On August 13 2015 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: why do people keep asking me questions that do not matter`? :/ Like you too prplhz, do you think i am mafia? If you don't, why the question? it's not out of the question like some other people seem to think. it's not like i can only ask questions of my toppest scummest read. and then, it wasn't really a question (i know there's a question mark but it wasn't really phrased as a question and i don't know what you'd answer if you tried). i don't want to lynch you today but it's odd that you call me town when i think the only time i remember you've called me town has been when you were scum (debauchery). | ||
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it's important because everybody has been town leaning on you but i don't think people should just mindlessly go with "rayn is town". what i posted about your read on me is cause for concern (not immediate concern, but still) so i'm pointing it out. i could ask you the very same question, if you think i'm town then why are you having this conversation with me? we can keep going but i'd much rather we drop it and focus on today's lynch though apparently people are going with hopeless anyway. | ||
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On August 13 2015 06:23 Chezinu wrote: I see rayn is flooding the thread with orders. It is shocking that we don't have a better leader, but it seems no one is really pouring much effort into this game. sort of unfair to blame any lack of leadership on rayn | ||
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oh shove off | ||
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On August 13 2015 06:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: i have legitmately no idea what you are trying to say here man. sorry but if you don't care to read then i don't care to explain | ||
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just gonna vote for damdred | ||
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dunno what that means but this is the post i'm sort of townreading damdred for | ||
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On August 13 2015 07:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: No one voted him but VE though. People have been soft accusing him all game without voting him is what I'm saying, which is usually a prime recipe for someone to be scum. couldn't he just be a townie instead and the reason scum aren't pushing him (yet!) is because they have no reason to? | ||
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On August 13 2015 07:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't think so unless all the realistic lynch candidates have been scum. Deconduo was an easy push target in a time when no one was really getting pushed. It's possible mafia are just a very weak team and don't have any thread presence but in that case we'll probably win anyway. like you say "decon is scum because scum aren't pushing him" but you can't explain why scum would push him which is why i don't buy it. i don't think decon is super townie, he's mostly just playing like people from way back usually play. | ||
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On August 13 2015 07:12 VisceraEyes wrote: He could be, do you find this to be a more likely scenario? What's your opinion? I believe Artanis made his opinion known with the vote! i'm sort of skeptical, hoping to make this clear with my posting. | ||
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On August 13 2015 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Scum would like to not get lynched. If Deconduo is town, there was no one (but me) townreading him, making him an easy push. No one but VE tries to lynch Deconduo until very recently. The fact that someone tried, a lot of people are scumreading him and it got no traction is pretty incriminating. yes scum would like not to get lynched but are they getting lynched? are you saying that scum are getting lynched right now and because they're not trying to save themselves by switching the lynch to decon then decon is scum? | ||
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why would scum even switch to decon? they'd just let us kill hopeless today and then massive lynchbait decon tomorrow and then suddenly it's d3 and we've nothing to show for it? what am i missing? | ||
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maybe we should lynch him based on stuff he did rather than based on general thread sentiment? did he do anything scummy? he didn't do much and this setup focus and afkness just seems like how people who used to play a long time ago but had a long break and now they just came back for their first game in a while usually play like. yea that's probably weird coming from someone who sheeps people all the time. might even sheep you. | ||
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On August 13 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote: eh, i could see this, but i think even people who haven't played in a long time will have some sort of opinion about something rather than just pinging a player for suboptimal play? besides which, if he's smart enough to make one connection i fail to see why he didn't make the other maybe! but really, this is really just how i think these people play. they come in and don't exactly know the current meta (for lack of better expression) so they do something (mostly setup speculation or deference to kenpachi/chezinu/whatever rules) and then they sort of disappear. sometimes they just disappear. i don't really think it points at scum. at the same time i don't see why scum would push decon unless they have to and that's sort of it. artanis keeps saying that a strong scum team would push decon, but why would a strong scum team not but, say, palmar? or you? like think i see where artanis is coming from but i don't really buy it. what's this damdred town read you have anyway? are you going to lynch him anyway just to get a read on palmar? | ||
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On August 13 2015 07:47 Vivax wrote: I'ma just see where Palmar leads me. i'd be less worried doing this if he was actually around. and weekend's coming up so he'll be afk again. | ||
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you know it's against the rules to read other people's rolePMs | ||
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On August 13 2015 08:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So prplhz do you actually think deconduo is town or are you just defending a null to you? overwhelmingly the latter | ||
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dunno maybe saying i was defending deconduo is wrong. it was more like i disagreed with your case (that happened to be on him). | ||
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or did i get the storm vote thing wrong? | ||
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rayn i don't know. this timing issue, could be a coincidence no? i mean what can i say, you could be right. i could be scum with hopeless and the reason i started saying something is because he was getting lynched? dunno i think when i play scum i just try to look town and don't worry so much about my team. i really don't think that i would try to save him. like, people generally don't listen much to me anyway. look at this town and tell me you think i would ever think i could convince people here of doing anything? as for the "didn't mention palmar" i haven't even a clue what you're talking about. it's wrong though. first of all palmar doesn't read me very well any longer? dunno where you got that? we just played debauchery and you saw how he flipped a million times on me and only marv kept me alive. dunno about damdred's and ruxxar's cases. i think probably all of my play yesterday can be explained very well by how i didn't really feel that anyone was obviously scum and the thread just didn't give me any alignment indications. i didn't lean much to either direction on anyone. | ||
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On August 13 2015 19:52 ruXxar wrote: Nobody gets to know who voted unless you tell them. It's anonymous. yea sure but if rayn and art says "we deffo voting for prpl" and everybody else is like "meh" and then i end up with 1 vote then one of ran | ||
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On August 13 2015 19:52 ruXxar wrote: Nobody gets to know who voted unless you tell them. It's anonymous. yea sure but if rayn and art says "we deffo voting for prpl" and everybody else is like "meh" and then i end up with 1 vote then scum will know there's a blue in rayn and art i mean if a majority think i should die then i should probably die and then the best thing to do is for everybody to vote me. that will give scum zero information. same obviously goes if a majority wants to storm someone else. | ||
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On August 13 2015 20:02 ruXxar wrote: There is something really unnerving going on here. At one point we were at 4-5 in favor of Decon and trfel, chezinu and damdred had yet to vote. Trfel and chezinu voted to hammer decon, while damdreds vote was essentially meaningless. Unless rsoultin and artsnis are scum(which I don't think), then decons lynch was easy to jump on after 2 strong towns already started the train. There should definitely be mafia on the decon train, almost certainly. I'm most suspicious of prpl, hopeless, trfel and chezinu just from the vote count. I'm 100% convinced there is minimum 1 mafia in there. there's like 80% chance that's correct even if you just picked people at random (assuming you're town). | ||
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On August 13 2015 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: prplhz when was the last game you have zero mentions of Palmar on D1? as what alignment? | ||
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On August 13 2015 20:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: as any alignment. like this is what i don't like. instead of just answering you start some sort of argument that doesn't really help or solve anything. well i think it does help solve something, namely your problem with me not talking a lot about palmar. if i always talk about palmar, both as scum and town, then i guess it doesn't say anything about me that i didn't talk about him this game? or am i wrong here? i don't know when the last time i didn't talk about palmar on d1 was or if it ever happened. | ||
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On August 13 2015 20:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like can you explain this prplhz: Here is what i see when i read your filter: First you say you need something to sheep (which is basically what you say all D1 long). Okay fine. Then you argue against lynching Hopeless because there is no case which is literally incorrect because i actually made a case on him. Instead of addressing the case directly you get into an argument with me over something that is totally irrelevant to finding mafia. Then you call out VE (i guess you are suspicious of him then, because why would you do that otherwise?). That's also fine. Then you go into an argument with Artanis about deconduo, and during the argument - when i read it now - it seems like you are defending deconduo (by attacking Artanis' argument). That's also fine. What is NOT FINE is that your vote ends up on Deconduo given that you have: - said you just don't wanna lurker lynch (hopeless) but apparently lurkerlynching deconduo is okay for you ?!?!? - never ever commented on my ACTUAL CASE on Hopeless, and the fact that there was no case on deconduo - VE, who you are suspicious of, is basically the first person to push deconduo, and you just don't care about this at all? - You defend "deconduo" against Artanis. Hell Artanis even tells you VE is the first one to push deconduo, you still don't care. - After all this you just park your vote on deconduo.... Like how in your opinion does ANY of this make ANY sense at all? i never had a great problem with lynching deconduo. to me he played like every other player who used to play but then didn't play for a long while but now they're back to play again, like every other player like that plays. i thought it was what i expected of him so i gave him a very slight town read. this very slight town read had absolutely nothing to do with my arguments with artanis. artanis made a case on decon based on a spreadsheet that i was very impressed with. the spreadsheet, not the argument. in my opinion the case was super flawed and didn't tell us anything. so i engaged with artanis on it because the thread was dead, i had no leads, nothing was happening, some guy made an argument i disagreed with, lets see what happens? after the case i decided to revoke my slight town read on decon. back to null with him. why? because he hadn't done anything. it's like he showed up, did what was expected, left again. back to null. rso looked town though and so did artanis and his spreadsheet so i decided that i'd just sheep them. i can sort of see why artanis made his argument (that i still disagree with), i liked his spreadsheet, rso looked townie enough compared to other people, i decided that these were the people i was gonna sheep. i don't know why it's relevant VE voted decon? i also already knew this when i started talking to artanis (i pointed it out in an earlier post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24726076). | ||
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On August 13 2015 20:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: well in contrary to you i have a strong ideo of ~7 people who he thinks are either town or mafia. i have zero idea who you think is mafia, so it's kinda unfair to call him "afk" or even "null". Because he has ACTUAL reads. If he posts his reasoning or not does not matter. eh i'm sort of lost here. why do you think it matters that you think you have stronger opinions than i do? i don't really think it's unfair to call him afk, he's mostly been afk. i remember him saying exactly one thing, and that is that damdred is scum for how he entered the thread. and "null" is just my opinion, it has nothing to do with fairness. i don't read him as any alignment so he's null to me. i don't see why i should rely on my sense of righteousness to form reads. anyway, why do you think me not talking about palmar makes me scum? there's not really anything to talk about for town prpl. and as for scum prpl, well it's easy for him to just have whatever opinion on palmar since palmar isn't really around and didn't say a lot. | ||
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On August 13 2015 20:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because usually you and Palmar go on each other in every single game. Now you don't. There is something wrong with it. And i don't know what that is. Like this same thing happened with Damdred/Xatalos in the last game i played. Something wrong, i can't explain what, but something does not make sense. At least one of you have to be scum for it to make sense, and i think Palmar is town. no we don't? where did you get that? we don't just go on each other from start every single game. why do you think that? | ||
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On August 13 2015 21:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am actually starting leaning towards rsoultin being mafia. you said that you were gonna write a big case on her d2 so it's about time you start leaning mafia on her. | ||
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On August 13 2015 20:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So you were very impressed by the spreadsheet, but you didn't actually take anything away from it and disagreed with the case. In retrospect, it was indeed wrong. What DID you learn from it though? i'm really not trying to be cheeky here and i tried rewording my response a couple of time but every time it just boils down to this: i learned that you made a spreadsheet that seemed to be correct. | ||
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On August 13 2015 22:28 rsoultin wrote: you don't play much as scum. the more you posted the less sure i became on that read lol >< and as for condor, i just thought the way he stayed glued to the mechanics discussion was scummy? especially since his only push was just someone not playing the game the way he thought they should be @.@ so we good now or you still wanna lynch me? what's your read on palmar? | ||
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i don't care at all for your chez scum read btw seriously chez does weird shit all the time and sometimes he plays and sometimes he don't and you haven't a clue how to read him and if you base all your reads around a scum read on him that's not very good what's your read on palmar? seems like you haven't a clue how anybody has a read on him while saying that his sole contribution so far is mind boggling (in a bad way). rayn seems to have a rather strong read on him, what you make of that? | ||
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you should stop thinking you can read chez because i probably can't lol. you already said that deconduo (another veteran) was scum because you didn't understand the way he played, turned out it was wrong. now you're saying the exact same thing about chez. you can't read chez because he just does whatever the fuck and you can't rely on him for shit. and when you base your reads around thinking the least readable player in this game is definitely scum then you're going to be super wrong and that's a bad move and i don't like it when people make bad moves that they ought to know are bad moves. this chez thing is decon all over again so stop doing it or convince me he is scum. | ||
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On August 13 2015 23:03 Damdred wrote: Palmars pretty much lock town I think just trust me. Its kinda annoying rayn basically parrots me and then tells me to stop being dumb its amazing. So fed up with mafia on the whole the faction or the game? | ||
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On August 13 2015 23:07 rsoultin wrote: so how exactly is it town chez to tunnel truffle all game and then vote with him? explain that one to me, prp have you never played with chez before or something | ||
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On August 13 2015 23:12 rsoultin wrote: just once in ippo, i think so basically you're saying there's no possible way to read chez, ever? the same way you people told me there's no way to read slam? lol >< i'm saying it's very difficult to read chez and him changing his opinion doesn't justify a clear scum read. it doesn't justify anything. + Show Spoiler + can you read slam? | ||
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On August 13 2015 06:08 Chezinu wrote: I tried brainstorming alternative candidates but my mind was a bit cloudy. this was 4 hours before he changed his vote to decon. indicates that he was thinking about other candidates (than hopeless), that he was considering not tunneling trfel to oblivion. people are allowed to change their opinion on d1 especially people who are sort of nuts. no? | ||
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like i vote with my town reads so why would chez vote with his scum reads? but that argument has been used a lot before and sometimes people just vote for who they think is scum. | ||
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"died in a storm" is for storm kill "died in a hurricane" is for mafia hurricane kill "died at sea" is just mafia KP or something special? | ||
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On August 16 2015 04:30 ruXxar wrote: This is the most garbage argument for someone being scum that I've ever seen. maybe because it's a joke lol? | ||
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rux art rayn town rso scum rest null? | ||
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if not palmar whom i think she's mysteriously left alone all game, it's damdred and this soul read thing? rux obv town, your spreadsheet looks town. rayn town, dunno doesn't appear as calculated and stiff as in debauchery. but what do i know really lol | ||
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just do what rayn says he was right d1? | ||
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chez i'm relying on you here | ||
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not that that's what brought you down at all, i'm curious because it seems like a bold move. | ||
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