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screw it to many good people. | ||
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This is very akin to soup kills or an assassin where if the person has your role/name they can submit it and get mafia a free kill, lets say Damdred claims Cop Marv claims Medic and Geript claims VT named Joker. Hurricane/Soup kill Damdred Cop Marv Medic Geript Joker If all three are right they all die and its effectively destroyed towns ability to confirm themselves town and relies more on towns ability to play the game. Another good example of this is in carol where if a miller claimed miller the mafia person got a fre ekill on them etc. | ||
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do you disagree with my tr rs | ||
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On August 11 2015 11:23 Trfel wrote: I know this sounds really stupid, but... Rsoultin seems a bit towny here. Her opening post felt relaxed, and more importantly, happy to be in the game. Given that rsoultin really doesn't like playing scum, has played scum frequently in her last several games, and had a very frustrating game as town that ended earlier today (despite the game being a victory), it's hard for me to see her actually being happy as mafia this early on in the game. I hope I'm not making the same mistake yet again T.T If you are talking about this post, yes it is the one thing stopping me from having a strong town read on trfel. With how much you played with trfel it is just weird for an early read. | ||
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Though what bothers you the most about it | ||
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On August 11 2015 11:45 rsoultin wrote: >> i don't suppose you have some magic xata-type way of reading a chez? i don't really remember you having one in ippo kinda hope a big shoots chez XD so I can ignore him or hope he says smart things. | ||
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However I'm sort of doubting that you would doubt that read trfel made on you for those reasons rather than better ones. | ||
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I dislike some of the reasoning used because rsoultin can fake almost all of that stuff on the short term basis and usually heavily admits to being able to do these things as town. Yet you have talked to RS and played a fair bit with her, and yet don't show the normal hesitance most people have in reading her and the reasons are shaky which isn't a point against you. Rs response is also a bit odd honestly with not really pointing out what I thought she would of gleaned instead going somewhere else that doesn't make the read bad. | ||
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There's a difference between what rsoultin said about you being generally indecisive when it comes to making reads and me saying that your read lacks a bit of hesitance. One relays that you are unable to make a decision while the other gives a sense of not wanting to etc. totally different in the context of what is being said. | ||
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I do really like trfels follow up in his responses to me. Sorta like rayn and art | ||
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So four town reads/leans so far. | ||
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I don't remember if I answered rayn on my read on RS but I will. Firstly in least certain of RS at this point which inunsettles me a bit. While I don't like some of RS responses to my proding her reaction when she came back to thread was pretty good Usually one of her goals as mafia is to get people to tilt afte they scul read her or shoe doubts making them look bad and discredit them. And lets be honest at times its pretty simple to get me to tilt my way out of caring early, but instead RS decides to town read me and beats me with a stick. I think its something town RS would do, while scum RS would show doubt on my alignment like she normally would. Its a bit weak and a bit early but its where I am | ||
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His reaction to me liking vivax was a bit odd aooon as someone thought he looked ok rux said nvm I like him to. Bit strange for him I need to think if it makes him scum though | ||
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On August 12 2015 01:31 ruXxar wrote: I read his filter again and I liked him a bit better. idk what he's referring to I thought he was talking about me liking vivax | ||
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On August 12 2015 01:50 Vivax wrote: The ooga booga reasoning didn't bother you? It's not even that much the reasoning itself as the way it feels like he doesn't want to commit when I try to pull a case on me out of him. And of course the point you mention also has its validity. When he semi-agreed with you it felt as if he wanted to appease the bystanders by not opposing their opinion. m actually trying to look at his motivations besides reasoning atm as his reasoning is strange sometimes both ways. | ||
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On August 12 2015 01:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Then why are you not 100% pushing him Damdred as in the next post ruxxar basically says he thinks Vivax is mafia for not wanting to push Artanis? I don't see him saying vivax is scum after that just questioning about the art read. | ||
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why? You just said you liked one which one did you like for a moment | ||
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I don't think this makes him scum when its pretty usual for him jot to read the thread in any order anyway shrug | ||
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Now he feels more like saying whatever regardless of consequences. Meh just looks more like his town fame. Though I'm not saying he's town for messing up. | ||
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I just think you are wrong just Luke last game we played with him and just tunneling,now. If let's say it was palmar or rs or myself who made that slip I think you would have a stronger case but it's really,nia of ruxxar in this situation. | ||
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And oh well he contradicted himself it happens every game to someone and it can be either alignment. Like,when I thought he town read me,one game,then,called me scum. Then I had to backtrack etc. Accidents happen shrug | ||
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And so glad uhh out have an opinion and have never really played with a town,ruxxar before vivax. Contradicting yourself doesn't make you mafia. Changing stories doesn't,make you mafia, lying doesn't make you mafia | ||
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I wouldn't mind a prp lynch for general policy or a fee others maybe | ||
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Anyway prp does the same,thing Yamato does basically barely if at all plays shrug. | ||
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I in fact have a pretty sizeable town read on you, you are just wrong in,this case | ||
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On August 12 2015 20:21 Palmar wrote: rsoultin and trfel go to townpile damdred to scumpile need more info This post made me sad...so so sad | ||
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On August 13 2015 03:25 Trfel wrote: No, but there's only Newbie Student Mafia XIII and Desert Center Mini Mafia (which doesn't really count). I've read probably half of his town posts on TL Mafia. so you are giving him scum points for being illogical? Unless I misunderstood? | ||
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I'm confused who I want to lynch though. I kinda feel like when I afk a massive lynch will land on me with how the votes are spread out plus mild accusation. Rs talk to me | ||
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Its a tough day one because I have a group of four or five id lynch into but none of them are trying to be towny ish | ||
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While town he just doesn't do as much to me? So I'm a little meh about that lynch just reflecting | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah so who the fuck do you want to lynch then? You just interject with all the lynch targets like a baws and have nothing to offer. Go home or what the fuck ever. I've been really polite and haven't called anyone bad or gotten upset to this point, so please show me the same respect. I have a really small lynch list like condor, ve maybe prp. Hopeless is a good big target but a lynch id say do one of the others. | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:05 rsoultin wrote: meh which games are you referring to damdy? uhh I forget the games names I think one was fantasy football league (ffl1) geript was hist and palmar was poisoner. Tge other was a math styled mafia game I'll have to find the name real fast | ||
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The rest is poe and idk if I want to lynch palmar I don't think so | ||
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both be fine | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:32 ruXxar wrote: I think either hopeless is scum and scum people are trying to redirect his lynch. Or he's town and mafia are trying to jump ship / disassociate from the push. It's only town pushing hopeless atm. so me and RS are scum right | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have no idea whta you have been arguing for but apparently it's about activity so no. I promise if you actually read I'll get you a cookie ^^. But on a serious note stop misrepresenting what I'm saying | ||
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hopeless are you here | ||
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how much of the thread have you read | ||
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Though my bottom has 4 in it atm with one above. | ||
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On August 13 2015 09:53 rsoultin wrote: well i know he said that he didn't want a "lurker" lynch today, but this is still a good question why is palmar town, damdy? i don't have a read on him one way or the other currently He's pushing my lynch, sscum Palmer thinks I'm good as town. Wouldn't push me in a simplistic reasoning | ||
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On August 13 2015 09:54 Trfel wrote: Mostly ruXxar, sort of deconduo. Kind of suspicious of you and Artanis as well, maybe Chezinu too. all to me about art hoe suspicious of art | ||
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On August 13 2015 09:57 rsoultin wrote: -squints at- if scum palmar thinks you're good as town...why wouldn't he push you? i'm not sure i get this reasoning Do you think I'm an easy or a hard target to push RS? | ||
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On August 13 2015 10:02 Trfel wrote: Because Artanis's scumread of VisceraEyes was bad, and his read on ruXxar attributed things to ruXxar that aren't true to result in a townread, and he didn't explain it when I asked (despite previously saying that he would). would you lynch arts is today if you had the numbers | ||
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But here's the follow up question. You seem pretty suspicious of art for multiple reasons but your vote on Dec sort of came out of the blue when you were talking about other things and a lot of people switched to him after art did, so why aren't you more suspicious that this could be a town lynch since someone you are suspicious of is helping head up the push. | ||
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On August 13 2015 10:08 rsoultin wrote: well, given the way the day has gone...rather easy lol >< but that's ego-bruising, isn't it? easy as you are ^^ | ||
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On August 13 2015 10:11 Trfel wrote: Here's a pretty little vote count with my reads. Hopeless1der (4): ruXxar, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, Palmar deconduo (5): rsoultin, Artanis, VisceraEyes, prplhz, Hopeless1der so you are voting against most of your tr and with scum reads/null reads? Mostly | ||
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but really before this part of the day I was mostly town read but palmar scum read me out the gate? | ||
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and also look at the vote count RS, I hope it is scum but scum team has to have 0 prescrnse if he is | ||
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RS can you help me do leg work? I think I read earlier that prp wanted to lynch me and voted me but someone quoted a post and he said he sorta townread me foe that post but was still voting me. Then when momentum started gaining on condo he hopped on and said we do this instead. This is interesting to me. I think it gas scum motivation behind it. | ||
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But pro is a good shot at scum here I think from that | ||
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On August 13 2015 11:27 rsoultin wrote: lol join the club >< the rayn!rage is incoming eh, if he didn't want to lynch hopeless, shifting his vote to condor isn't that wild that said, i don't know why he was even voting for you in the first place -_- but why switch his vote from me? | ||
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we are pushing off hopeless a bit for a different lynch and I leave thread. Thread sentiment starts to form I might be scum so so opposition to the idea. I believe 3 or 4 willing to go. Another target is introduced and everyone flocks to it during this time 0 opposition. prp flips over nothing my wagon disperses rayn, palmar move to hopeless everyone else consolidated on condor. I think a couple possibilities here 1) I'm scum and scum used there thread prwscrnse to move the wagon off me. This just isn't true but its something we have to talk through 2) Hopeless is the scum counter wagon and the scum moved to consolidate on condor because was the easiest wagon to hide in. Prp would be the second partner in this case. Me personally I really hope we have a vig to shoot hopeless. But yeah the third scun is a bit harder to find and I believe the hopeless wagon is completely town. | ||
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Its kinda annoying rayn basically parrots me and then tells me to stop being dumb its amazing. So fed up with mafia on the whole | ||
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And I do think there is a difference in the votes slightly but there's three votes that look bad to me. But that's just how it is meh. | ||
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If hope flips town mafia ve shouldn't care which town his vote is on and could of afks rather than lynch someone else, if hope is scum it looks worse because saving scum partner comes into play. | ||
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Whatever I probably won't play mucch I had my pie ready but screw helping this town. | ||
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I probably would of consolidated on hopeless if we had the numbers though at eod. And no clue I made that clear but it was either a straight bus or town I didn't know which shrug | ||
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On August 14 2015 02:12 ruXxar wrote: What incentive would mafia have to bus in that situation when town rayn is on the other train. There is none. I see 0 reason to bus here. You would've voted for hopeless you say but you were actively opposing his lynch. Don't be obtuse rux its quite possible two people are pushing two mafia and mafia have to de IDE which one is better to keep for a night it happens all the time. So a bus is possible in that situation And I never called hopeless town during the day just that he was a better big shot than he was a lynch so we could get other information. But given the last few minutes of information a hopeless lynch would of been fine but myself and RS couldn't seit h or we would of no lynched I believe. | ||
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On August 14 2015 02:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am lynching you on day 2 for this post for several reasons: 1) My case never said anything about Hopeless "not having a single read". therefore you don't even know what you are talking about 2) You didn't even fucking read his scumgame therefore you don't even know what you are talking about 3) I am right 4) Damdred is wrong Everyone who can do Stormvote Hopeless. Then lynch rsoultin and Chezinu. idk why 4 is even in there when I've said since yesterday to just big hopeless. | ||
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On August 14 2015 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i said Hopeless ismafia for X. You said "but he does Y in his scumgames, therefore he is not mafia because of X". And then rsoultin goes "okay seems like Damdred is right and rayn is wrong, btw i didn't even read the game kthxbye". fucking horrible. Way to fucking misrepresent me again | ||
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On August 14 2015 04:05 Vivax wrote: I just wanted to say that I really think Damdred is mafia Can we just lynch me so I don't have to care? Ruxxar thinks I'm scum for horrible reasons Palmar is palmar Vivax is an idiot So might as well make it complete right? | ||
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I get called stupid more even though people who are the thread *leaders* parrot me when they enter the thread and insult me some more. I hope I get lynched by these assholes honestly. | ||
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Where did I say hopeless would give us more info alive? Lets see it smart man come on | ||
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Where did I say that hopeless being alive fives us more information at night from him | ||
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So if you assholes can treat people like this in games I will fucking return the fabor | ||
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On August 14 2015 04:41 Vivax wrote: Cause of what rayn said. If you opposed the hopeless lynch cause it wouldnt give you info, then by consequence you have to expect mroe from a decon lynch. Where did I say specifically that Dec was the most informative lynch or around eod was my prefered lynch then | ||
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On August 14 2015 04:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: (1) That is not what anyone is arguing. (2) your vote said that 1) vivax said that 2) I had to vote well next time I'll just modkill myself | ||
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Like literally reaks of rayn didn't read, why don't you read the thread rayn why? | ||
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The only people who could be conceivable mafia atm is VE Hopeless Pro Trfel Chez There are some tin foils in a couple people but I'd be ok just focusing on them. I'd probably take prp off it. | ||
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Palmar is town, Rs is town, Ryan town, vivax. These are the people you never lynch into even if some of them act stupid or don't care about the game. The next people are Art, ruxx both these people are town but some tinfoil could be made for them,and I might listen. But overall I think they are pretty town. The next two VE and prp are a bit harder. Rayn seems to really believe his read and I'm sorta in the mood to believe him since I'm shot at reading 've and Ryan is generally good at it. Prp has looked overthrown tonight s gets a day pass. Which leaves,me,with chez, hopeless and trfel. And I like that team a bit | ||
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Scum Palomar has scum read me,before in guardian I believe but it was momentary and,he backed off. He doesn't do,that here, and every other time, he has come,out,the gate with,me as scum it's him,being town. I'll,never use the read again,and it's a bit,bad,but it's true | ||
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On August 14 2015 08:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Don't really find that convincing, too based on expecting a specific response from Palmar when he loves breaking his meta. I don't think that's something you really can go off as hard as you are. And if Palomar doesn't know it? | ||
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On August 14 2015 08:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: No. Storm Hopeless. Don't even think about it. I don't think the fact that he hasn't scumread you for long in games where he was scum and you were town means a lot, especially since there's probably been only a few games where he rolled scum and you rolled town. I doubt it's a reliable tell. I think it is but oh well palm isn't up for lynch tomorrow anyway | ||
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Though I did find his little *trap* fun and somewhat town but I can't say it makes chez town. | ||
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Idk honestly I guess last scum could be prp maybe, | ||
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On August 13 2015 23:02 prplhz wrote: then what is it about? what happened that made you change your mind on me? you should stop thinking you can read chez because i probably can't lol. you already said that deconduo (another veteran) was scum because you didn't understand the way he played, turned out it was wrong. now you're saying the exact same thing about chez. you can't read chez because he just does whatever the fuck and you can't rely on him for shit. and when you base your reads around thinking the least readable player in this game is definitely scum then you're going to be super wrong and that's a bad move and i don't like it when people make bad moves that they ought to know are bad moves. this chez thing is decon all over again so stop doing it or convince me he is scum. am curious how he got from point a to b here | ||
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But your post doesn't make sense with the sense that's in my post(?) RS. Just don't know how prp says basically opposite things about chez meh | ||
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On August 15 2015 02:20 Vivax wrote: There's one hint to Chez's alignment in VE's filter, and it's very ambiguous. I also have no idea where you got this information from, do you know of a game? When we were scum together in titanic I believe he told me ve can read the bank pretty well. And ve was the one who originally called him scum that game at some point meh. | ||
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Just tell me straight chez because the bank is my friend and I'm am admirer of the bank. Do you 100% know this role is in game and its not yours? | ||
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I'll just sleep now instead of waiting on people. Though RS who you think fornstorm tonight | ||
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Truffle stopped playing and hasn't cared since the flip tbh, he even goes to question chez and afk. Though I think its more telling prp is doing jack shit today then trfel. So maybe pro is scum chez is town and we have a sleeper mafia | ||
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... .. I just blah and to the blah | ||
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Like 100% what Vivax has said speaks ot me about rayn, hes somewhat forgotten his ruxxar scum read during the night phase. I mean I think rux is town, but his play was really similar to last game, and the d1 vote switchto hopeless and rayn never considering rux super bussing or anything past n1 is just weird in a sense. I think hes town still at this point but it just bugs me a bit. Because Prp is more prone to just not do shit as mafia even when he needs to, which is alignment indicative. However truffle being afk isnt' as alignment indicative. | ||
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And Trfel scum game is a bit different then what you are used to Rux... its hit and miss honestly if its great trfel scum or bad scum trfel. But it is what it is, I kinda prefer a prp lynch now that I think about it though. | ||
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On August 16 2015 02:34 Damdred wrote: I still think rayn is town, just tinfoil. So don't get offended rayn and start pouting. And Trfel scum game is a bit different then what you are used to Rux... its hit and miss honestly if its great trfel scum or bad scum trfel. But it is what it is, I kinda prefer a prp lynch now that I think about it though. Having suspicions doesn't mean that I think someone is scum | ||
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IDK if it is a real change for chez though this is just how he is when he plays. | ||
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Chez plays according to the amount of pressure hes under or however much he wants, its not really alignment indicative i'm afraid | ||
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On August 16 2015 04:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Okay, I'm happy to lynch Trfel. He's too certain of himself, and too abrasive for Trfel standards. Like what? | ||
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Not sure honestly how you can get any type of read from what Prp is doing today though | ||
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Night was a splattering of ok with no follow up today ninja vote etc, doesn't look like town prp | ||
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chez why does the chez rule fo on me when I didn't really show suspicion on you but just said I usually hope a big shoots you... Anyway I'll think about last scum | ||
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On August 16 2015 11:08 Vivax wrote: I think you know who it is. Like the dude who has been around not fighting the switch to trfel, and who voted with him last during D1. So your going to try to convince the thread that a hard bus player is weakly trying to swing lynch away from his partners? Says trfel is prefered lynch d1, says trfel is scum. Does jump to prp loses town cred. | ||
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Its a hard game. I kinda think its arts but that's a gut | ||
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I think the list is pretty small who scum can be tbh. Rayn, vivax, rsoul are my top towns Prp is sorta safe tommorow was the counter wagon pushed by scum but that's a bit wifom, godfather could be the important role but I wouldn't lynch him the game could still be hard but I've played bad mostly so yeah Rux is town 99% sure chez is probably maybe sorta town...idk if this clears him since he does bus as scum but he did help not do a no lynch. Palmar town, I don't see scum palmar just sheeping two lynches on scjm buddy art is my main concern tbh I had a tr but so much going back and forth might would check him. Just to be safe | ||
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This hasn't really been a fun game and has been tedious to a point. I've had good town reads mostly just bad decisions around lynch though d1 wasn't horrible. Otherwise yeah, ill be around most the day to interact | ||
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Art feels a bit scummy to me rayn, even if I had a town read earlier some of his posts tonight don't seem right couplers with a couple,from yesterday just makes . Methink playing a great scum fame. | ||
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So early on I had a town read on attains just for genera activity and,how,he handled the game to a point. Everything was fine there was this point when I had this eh feeling and that first moment was when art came,out of,no,where and,hard town read Ruxx. Ruxx early is super hard to town read if you haven't really experienced his town gamer in action but Art shows no hesitation but is willing to sheep rayn on almost anyone else. Ita a really strange hard read when ruxx wasn't making sense at that point. Now,moving on the next thing that bothered me,was how,he eliminated condor from his lynch pool. He just asked him to,be useful,and do things and he hadn't really done anything of note to that point. But he ignores him up until this post, On August 13 2015 06:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Guys, I think I want to lynch the condor. I just made this after digging through everyone's filter in the most rapid tempo I could (you might need to doubleclick to see it): And I've noticed that besides me, no one actually has a townread on Deconduo, a bunch of people have scumreads yet he has no votes. I also went through his filter again in this process and found that he hasn't really given many original thoughts at all other than setup related. I think that makes it pretty likely for him to be scum, since someone would've pushed him by now if he wasn't, especially with a lack of organisation. ##Unvote ##Vote Deconduo Read it, I didn't really pay,much attention to,this post. Art admits to still having a town read on condor but insist that because no one else town reads him it's worth a vote. Tay has better reasoning Han that and that's just bad. And look at the timing people aren't sure I'd they want to lynch hopeless and we are thinking and art shows up with easy target condor. So we lynch condor and move into the night, travel had a suspicion on art and I asked him early that day if he would,of lynched art but never acts on it and basically forgets about,the read on art during that day voting with him. And never questioning him past that point fixing him light suspicion. Now fast forward towards the chez/prp/travel Art is fine with lynching,chez. Jumps to,travel,with everyone sleeping a good post by rayn but the first sign of a jump to prp he follows and it is only after rayn threatens him with a d4 lynch he jumps back and refuses to move. Now art is using a Poe that could,potentially lose the game, is only co,tent with pushing scum on myself and Rs without evaluating the rest of,the game,like he,normally would. He also pushes Rs almost into a tilt,instead of trying to get her to work with him and prove he's town. Really aggro. I think,it a a food,chance he's scum. And sorry if,it's hard to read on phone. | ||
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Palmar will you read what I posted last page cause you love me | ||
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And rayn I'm,not arguing vivax is scummy, I'm saying forcing a no lynch is scummy but vivax put us in the position for chez to hammer scum. | ||
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This part doesn't make sense you hard town read Rux so,he doesn't get lynched because his play doesn't keep sense,etc. But then you still start a wagon on town,because of,thread sentiment? I don't believe it when,ruxx had thread sentiment,and you did the opposite. Don't lie about the long game, in imperial you played for,the super,long game and our dead in the water team,mates we hit them with a huge bus. Rs is town I believe and she will probably be lynched here hut your actions don't make a lot of,sense. And vivax vote matters less than its being,made out to,be since we had a decent amount of,time to make a lynch still | ||
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I give it to you the games are different but I still see some of,the same,things in you here and there. No matter what way you try to,turn it is that you started a wagon on your to an read for a convoluted reason that looks insanely scum,motivated in retrospect. And travel was a bit dead in the water meh...a small bit because of lack of cares | ||
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Which btw I believe both scum hard town read Rs trfel read her town for,petty bad reasoning what do you think of that | ||
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And no I have caught you as mafia for poor reasoning,before so yeah. | ||
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I don't get why the same rationale,didn't fit Rux though a lot,of,the thread scum read him and town read rayn and vivax pushed him... it just feels such a a different approach to,similar situations | ||
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I would also love it,if prp was scum I would feel slightly better about how I played. | ||
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D2 was meh I had plesant distractions keeping me away from game. Then errands around eod. Still I played pretty badly oh well just wasn't in a good enough rhythm | ||
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Was kinda at a meh moment who scum could be I was hoping prp was scum. And was scared RS was << oh well | ||
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Well tbh geript its just something I have to deal with I just don't like being called stupid or jabs being thrown my way especially people who are town reading me. I generally try to keep my cool and I don't really want to talk about it further on here sorry I lost my temper it won't happen again. gg | ||
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