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On August 13 2015 00:11 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 00:06 ruXxar wrote:On August 12 2015 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2015 23:12 rsoultin wrote:On August 12 2015 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:i totally forgot purplehaze is in the game. There is something he'll probably do if he is mafia. I don't think he has done anything alignment indicative yet. I am amused how can people trust a tone read over actual post-based evidence that a guy is clearly just fucking pulling shit out of his ass. I am sad.  i know what you're keying in on, rayn you're saying how can the guy have different reactions to the same post, whether he's forgotten it or not? and as i said, the whole flavor of his posting is somewhat different this game so i'm not as sure on it here as i was in desert, but i still wouldn't lynch him today. lol i call it tone but it's actually behavior/personality-based and yes i do tend to put more value on a read that considers overarching play over one or two consistencies especially when being inconsistent isn't outside the norm for ruxxy :/ My case i posted is in fact 50% bullshit just because i just realized i misread one of his posts where he says "a post about artanis" into "artanis' post". So what he is doing is he is agreeing that i am right when he SHOULD know i am pushing something he hasn't even actually said or done. Like rsoultin, if someone now made a case on you based on "you called rayn town then now you suddenly call him mafia for no reason" would your response be: 1) "i have not called rayn mafia" or, 2) "yeah i did woopiedoo" ???? I noticed this later but didn't care to correct you. Now can you answer the question I asked you: Do you think scum are more likely to sheep your push or try to defend me? I'll talk to you like you're town for a bit. That's a question you should be able to answer yourself with knowledge of your alignment and me and rayn being the only ones pushing you atm? Trfel I think agreed with us on you. You've been wondering as well in an earlier post how scum would treat you, why are you still unsure?
I know what I would do in this situation if I was scum.
I would push my own ass 100% just like rayn is doing.
Rayb is doing us all a potential service by pushing me, since it creates a polarity between people that increases the chances of exposing mafia motivation.
I thnk a vote in me would bring very interesting results.
What's clear is that unless rayn is mafia, there's really no need for mafia to put in any effort in pushing me, since rayn is doing all the heavy lifting.
The case then balances on how likely that Raymond will be able to push his lynch through on me.
If town sentiment turns into a heavy favor of lynching me, then I think scum would favor speaking up in my defense to earn town credit.
I don't think scum hard defends me like attains did yesterday unless he was planning to turn the vote back on Ryan somehow, which he clearly wasn't doing either.
From this I surmise that artanis is town.
In this push on me, I think mafia are most likely taking soft stances.
They have rayan and artanis taking the brunt of the blame either way I flip.
Of course they want to lunch me since I'm town, so they'll want to softly nudge town sentiment towards lynching me.
But if course mafia don't all want to align on one side if they can help it, so some may be speaking up against my lynch but not trying to actually push someone else.
Deconduo fits very well within this frame which is why u suspect him.
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On August 13 2015 00:53 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 00:39 ruXxar wrote:On August 13 2015 00:11 Vivax wrote:On August 13 2015 00:06 ruXxar wrote:On August 12 2015 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2015 23:12 rsoultin wrote:On August 12 2015 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:i totally forgot purplehaze is in the game. There is something he'll probably do if he is mafia. I don't think he has done anything alignment indicative yet. I am amused how can people trust a tone read over actual post-based evidence that a guy is clearly just fucking pulling shit out of his ass. I am sad. i know what you're keying in on, rayn you're saying how can the guy have different reactions to the same post, whether he's forgotten it or not? and as i said, the whole flavor of his posting is somewhat different this game so i'm not as sure on it here as i was in desert, but i still wouldn't lynch him today. lol i call it tone but it's actually behavior/personality-based and yes i do tend to put more value on a read that considers overarching play over one or two consistencies especially when being inconsistent isn't outside the norm for ruxxy :/ My case i posted is in fact 50% bullshit just because i just realized i misread one of his posts where he says "a post about artanis" into "artanis' post". So what he is doing is he is agreeing that i am right when he SHOULD know i am pushing something he hasn't even actually said or done. Like rsoultin, if someone now made a case on you based on "you called rayn town then now you suddenly call him mafia for no reason" would your response be: 1) "i have not called rayn mafia" or, 2) "yeah i did woopiedoo" ???? I noticed this later but didn't care to correct you. Now can you answer the question I asked you: Do you think scum are more likely to sheep your push or try to defend me? I'll talk to you like you're town for a bit. That's a question you should be able to answer yourself with knowledge of your alignment and me and rayn being the only ones pushing you atm? Trfel I think agreed with us on you. You've been wondering as well in an earlier post how scum would treat you, why are you still unsure? I know what I would do in this situation if I was scum. I would push my own ass 100% just like rayn is doing. Rayb is doing us all a potential service by pushing me, since it creates a polarity between people that increases the chances of exposing mafia motivation. I thnk a vote in me would bring very interesting results. What's clear is that unless rayn is mafia, there's really no need for mafia to put in any effort in pushing me, since rayn is doing all the heavy lifting. The case then balances on how likely that Raymond will be able to push his lynch through on me. If town sentiment turns into a heavy favor of lynching me, then I think scum would favor speaking up in my defense to earn town credit. I don't think scum hard defends me like attains did yesterday unless he was planning to turn the vote back on Ryan somehow, which he clearly wasn't doing either.
From this I surmise that artanis is town. In this push on me, I think mafia are most likely taking soft stances. They have rayan and artanis taking the brunt of the blame either way I flip. Of course they want to lunch me since I'm town, so they'll want to softly nudge town sentiment towards lynching me. But if course mafia don't all want to align on one side if they can help it, so some may be speaking up against my lynch but not trying to actually push someone else.Deconduo fits very well within this frame which is why u suspect him. This doesn't make much sense. First of all, Artanis not using your defense for something doesn't mean anything since it's something he was able to talk about, and that's enough of a reason in itself. But most importantly, he isn't really pushing anything else, he called hopeless a coinflip and put deconduo into the grey zone. He doesn't have anything strong besides his townread on you. So I don't understand why he is so townie to you by your own standards.
Because he's hard defending me, when he has nothing to gain.
My vote wasn't gaining a lot of momentum to the point where a lunch was inevitable.
If my lunch doesn't happen, then he stands nothing to gain. He basically out himself in the line of fire for no apparent town cred, when mafia could've just as easily just stand by and let the mis lynch happen.
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Deconduo on the other hand is soft defending me after attains already took a hard stance. At that point the push was stifled and in the long run if I eventually flip, deco can say fat he was trying to defend me from the lunch.
There's basically 0 downside for mafia to sift defend me there after artanis stopped the push.
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On August 13 2015 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am never going to be mafia in this game ruxxar.
You're playing exactly the same way you've done the past 2 games with me.
I have no reason to call you anything but town.
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On August 13 2015 01:02 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 00:22 ruXxar wrote:On August 13 2015 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You notice alot of stuff "later on" and "don't really care to correct people" or "elaborate well".
Like if you think this is anything but ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE town play then you are just [redacted]...
And i do not believe that, so that makes you mafia. Welcome to my town game. I would've thought you'd have a better read on me after 3 games. When I'm scum I spend up to 30 minutes composing a simple post, making sure I don't blotch what I'm about to say, proof reading, polishing, re evaluating my word usage. Rsoul can attest to this. I hate that way of playing. I have to be mr el logico, all the time. Fuck that's boring. I enjoy being able to say whatever I want and don't case for the consequences. I'm not afraid to get lynched by you rayn. I don't have any scum mates to let down when I die. And even if you manage to do it, It'll haunt you even more knowing you're wrong yet again. You should listen to the people that know me better.They're making your job real easy. Real quick, who are the people "that know you better"?
Damdred and rsoul have never been wrong about my alignment that I can recall.
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On August 13 2015 01:04 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 00:59 ruXxar wrote:On August 13 2015 00:53 Vivax wrote:On August 13 2015 00:39 ruXxar wrote:On August 13 2015 00:11 Vivax wrote:On August 13 2015 00:06 ruXxar wrote:On August 12 2015 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2015 23:12 rsoultin wrote:On August 12 2015 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:i totally forgot purplehaze is in the game. There is something he'll probably do if he is mafia. I don't think he has done anything alignment indicative yet. I am amused how can people trust a tone read over actual post-based evidence that a guy is clearly just fucking pulling shit out of his ass. I am sad. i know what you're keying in on, rayn you're saying how can the guy have different reactions to the same post, whether he's forgotten it or not? and as i said, the whole flavor of his posting is somewhat different this game so i'm not as sure on it here as i was in desert, but i still wouldn't lynch him today. lol i call it tone but it's actually behavior/personality-based and yes i do tend to put more value on a read that considers overarching play over one or two consistencies especially when being inconsistent isn't outside the norm for ruxxy :/ My case i posted is in fact 50% bullshit just because i just realized i misread one of his posts where he says "a post about artanis" into "artanis' post". So what he is doing is he is agreeing that i am right when he SHOULD know i am pushing something he hasn't even actually said or done. Like rsoultin, if someone now made a case on you based on "you called rayn town then now you suddenly call him mafia for no reason" would your response be: 1) "i have not called rayn mafia" or, 2) "yeah i did woopiedoo" ???? I noticed this later but didn't care to correct you. Now can you answer the question I asked you: Do you think scum are more likely to sheep your push or try to defend me? I'll talk to you like you're town for a bit. That's a question you should be able to answer yourself with knowledge of your alignment and me and rayn being the only ones pushing you atm? Trfel I think agreed with us on you. You've been wondering as well in an earlier post how scum would treat you, why are you still unsure? I know what I would do in this situation if I was scum. I would push my own ass 100% just like rayn is doing. Rayb is doing us all a potential service by pushing me, since it creates a polarity between people that increases the chances of exposing mafia motivation. I thnk a vote in me would bring very interesting results. What's clear is that unless rayn is mafia, there's really no need for mafia to put in any effort in pushing me, since rayn is doing all the heavy lifting. The case then balances on how likely that Raymond will be able to push his lynch through on me. If town sentiment turns into a heavy favor of lynching me, then I think scum would favor speaking up in my defense to earn town credit. I don't think scum hard defends me like attains did yesterday unless he was planning to turn the vote back on Ryan somehow, which he clearly wasn't doing either.
From this I surmise that artanis is town. In this push on me, I think mafia are most likely taking soft stances. They have rayan and artanis taking the brunt of the blame either way I flip. Of course they want to lunch me since I'm town, so they'll want to softly nudge town sentiment towards lynching me. But if course mafia don't all want to align on one side if they can help it, so some may be speaking up against my lynch but not trying to actually push someone else.Deconduo fits very well within this frame which is why u suspect him. This doesn't make much sense. First of all, Artanis not using your defense for something doesn't mean anything since it's something he was able to talk about, and that's enough of a reason in itself. But most importantly, he isn't really pushing anything else, he called hopeless a coinflip and put deconduo into the grey zone. He doesn't have anything strong besides his townread on you. So I don't understand why he is so townie to you by your own standards. Because he's hard defending me, when he has nothing to gain.My vote wasn't gaining a lot of momentum to the point where a lunch was inevitable. If my lunch doesn't happen, then he stands nothing to gain. He basically out himself in the line of fire for no apparent town cred, when mafia could've just as easily just stand by and let the mis lynch happen. Show nested quote +On August 12 2015 07:48 ruXxar wrote:
Not sure if mafia are defending me or trying to push me or if it's town on town fighting over whether i'm mafia or not.
I'm not going to complain that people are defending me, but I'm curious of what they're trying to accomplish. (Pocketing?)
etc.
So first you wonder whether they're trying to pocket you with a hard defense, showing you are well aware for reasons for mafia to defend you. Yet when I ask you about Artanis all you can see is a townie motivation to do what he did?
It irked me that Artanis was taking such a hard defense on me when he barely knows my meta at all.
It felt kind if unnatural, but I don't know Artemis meta either so maybe that's how he plays.
Trying to evaluate it objectively I think it's a subra mafia play.
The fact that he's also trying to push VE is going to make him look doubly ass if VE flips town.
That puts attains in a really bad spot and would be a great risk to undertake as scum.
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On August 13 2015 01:23 Vivax wrote:
Ruxxar why isn't Damdred among your scumreads?
I don't feel like he's particularly scummy.
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On August 13 2015 02:11 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 01:34 ruXxar wrote:On August 13 2015 01:04 Vivax wrote:On August 13 2015 00:59 ruXxar wrote:On August 13 2015 00:53 Vivax wrote:On August 13 2015 00:39 ruXxar wrote:On August 13 2015 00:11 Vivax wrote:On August 13 2015 00:06 ruXxar wrote:On August 12 2015 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2015 23:12 rsoultin wrote:
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i know what you're keying in on, rayn
you're saying how can the guy have different reactions to the same post, whether he's forgotten it or not? and as i said, the whole flavor of his posting is somewhat different this game so i'm not as sure on it here as i was in desert, but i still wouldn't lynch him today. lol i call it tone but it's actually behavior/personality-based and yes i do tend to put more value on a read that considers overarching play over one or two consistencies
especially when being inconsistent isn't outside the norm for ruxxy :/ My case i posted is in fact 50% bullshit just because i just realized i misread one of his posts where he says "a post about artanis" into "artanis' post". So what he is doing is he is agreeing that i am right when he SHOULD know i am pushing something he hasn't even actually said or done. Like rsoultin, if someone now made a case on you based on "you called rayn town then now you suddenly call him mafia for no reason" would your response be: 1) "i have not called rayn mafia" or, 2) "yeah i did woopiedoo" ???? I noticed this later but didn't care to correct you. Now can you answer the question I asked you: Do you think scum are more likely to sheep your push or try to defend me? I'll talk to you like you're town for a bit. That's a question you should be able to answer yourself with knowledge of your alignment and me and rayn being the only ones pushing you atm? Trfel I think agreed with us on you. You've been wondering as well in an earlier post how scum would treat you, why are you still unsure? I know what I would do in this situation if I was scum. I would push my own ass 100% just like rayn is doing. Rayb is doing us all a potential service by pushing me, since it creates a polarity between people that increases the chances of exposing mafia motivation. I thnk a vote in me would bring very interesting results. What's clear is that unless rayn is mafia, there's really no need for mafia to put in any effort in pushing me, since rayn is doing all the heavy lifting. The case then balances on how likely that Raymond will be able to push his lynch through on me. If town sentiment turns into a heavy favor of lynching me, then I think scum would favor speaking up in my defense to earn town credit. I don't think scum hard defends me like attains did yesterday unless he was planning to turn the vote back on Ryan somehow, which he clearly wasn't doing either.
From this I surmise that artanis is town. In this push on me, I think mafia are most likely taking soft stances. They have rayan and artanis taking the brunt of the blame either way I flip. Of course they want to lunch me since I'm town, so they'll want to softly nudge town sentiment towards lynching me. But if course mafia don't all want to align on one side if they can help it, so some may be speaking up against my lynch but not trying to actually push someone else.Deconduo fits very well within this frame which is why u suspect him. This doesn't make much sense. First of all, Artanis not using your defense for something doesn't mean anything since it's something he was able to talk about, and that's enough of a reason in itself. But most importantly, he isn't really pushing anything else, he called hopeless a coinflip and put deconduo into the grey zone. He doesn't have anything strong besides his townread on you. So I don't understand why he is so townie to you by your own standards. Because he's hard defending me, when he has nothing to gain.My vote wasn't gaining a lot of momentum to the point where a lunch was inevitable. If my lunch doesn't happen, then he stands nothing to gain. He basically out himself in the line of fire for no apparent town cred, when mafia could've just as easily just stand by and let the mis lynch happen. On August 12 2015 07:48 ruXxar wrote:
Not sure if mafia are defending me or trying to push me or if it's town on town fighting over whether i'm mafia or not.
I'm not going to complain that people are defending me, but I'm curious of what they're trying to accomplish. (Pocketing?)
etc.
So first you wonder whether they're trying to pocket you with a hard defense, showing you are well aware for reasons for mafia to defend you. Yet when I ask you about Artanis all you can see is a townie motivation to do what he did? It irked me that Artanis was taking such a hard defense on me when he barely knows my meta at all. It felt kind if unnatural, but I don't know Artemis meta either so maybe that's how he plays. Trying to evaluate it objectively I think it's a subra mafia play. The fact that he's also trying to push VE is going to make him look doubly ass if VE flips town. That puts attains in a really bad spot and would be a great risk to undertake as scum. Let me sum up what you said so far across different posts: Mafia has nothing to gain from defending you.
Mafia might try to pocket you with that.
You think it's subpar mafia play to defend you.
You believe that mafia is likely to be among those who defend you without pushing something of their own.
Now you argue using "but if x flips town it makes him look bad" when it's an argument nobody is able to use reliably at this point. I find it impossible at this point to believe anything you say.
It all depends on HOW you do it. There's a huge difference between being the first to hard defend someone and being second to throw a town read on someone after someone already tested the waters.
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On August 13 2015 02:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I'm gonna go make a nice list post because it feels like we're just regurgitating the whole Ruxxar thing over and over again and I don't want to lynch him so it'd be great to discuss others too. raynpelikoneet - clear town, detailed evaluations even if I think they're wrong on ruxx, and his early strong townread on me is something I don't think he would've done as mafia. Trfel - After reading his filter I really don't know. What irks me is that he seems to just be going for the lowest hanging fruit (Chez, Ruxx, Deconduo) and his (presumably) reason to scumread me felt weak and without critical thought, and I have higher expectations than that for Trfel. He's also been inactive for Trfel standards. What makes me reluctant is that tonewise he does feel very much like townTrfel. He feels confident, but not overconfident in his reads in a way that I've come to know of townTrfel. Rsoultin - Probably town? Some of the uncertainty in her posts feels weird as I'm used to her pushing her thoughts strongly, Rayn had a nice post on it earlier and she's been the same way with Ruxx. On the other hand she's come forth with a bunch of her own opinions and there's plenty of smileys to go around. Damdred - I currently have no idea. Need more time. ruXxar - Already detailed. Palmar - Has given some reads, has not given reasons for them but has been so blatant about that fact that there would basically be no scum motivation to make them, but he's done so little that it's not much to go off. prplhz - Hasn't done anything. Deconduo - Show nested quote +On August 12 2015 23:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 12 2015 23:22 rsoultin wrote:
thoughts on condor, then?
or prp lol >< Deconduo is weird. His posts haven't had any focus. Actually he might be my preferred lynch candidate for today but something really silly is making me hedge, which is this: On August 12 2015 06:01 deconduo wrote:On August 12 2015 05:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
deconduo could you please do something useful? Like tell people not to claim their hurricane name. Cos apparently that's pretty useful. The arrogance in that even when he hasn't really done much leads me to believe he actually believes he's contributing, so meh. VisceraEyes - Despite claiming that I meta'd him (when my points were actually all things I'd generally consider mafia traits) Rayn pointed out that he's done them as town so I'm not left with much. Cockyness suggests town. Hopeless1der - Useless and doesn't care. Chezinu - ?????????, he's called out Ruxxar before it was cool (after Vivax, but before Rayn) and discussed the Chezinu rule a bunch. He's made a cryptic post or two but they seem to be more setup related than reads related. Not a clue. Vivax - Show nested quote +On August 12 2015 05:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Because he's too upfront with all his opinions and pretty carefree. This post especially On August 12 2015 02:09 Vivax wrote:On August 12 2015 02:07 ruXxar wrote:On August 12 2015 02:02 Vivax wrote:
maybe both :/
You also said one of us is scum, why not both? Very possible. What do you think of hopeless? I hate the way he plays cause of past experiences, but right now he's the enemy of my enemy so I'm cutting him a big chunk of slack until I know what you are. I'm still wondering what these random questions are supposed to achieve. Didn't your opinion on me change in our entire convo? How he's so open about cutting the enemy of his enemy slack for that reason is something I don't think scum Vivax would feel comfortable to say. Something that worries me about my own reads is that a lot of it is tone based. Though I'm very confident in the Ruxx one it's much less so on other players. Feedback on any you agree/disagree with is appreciated.
This is a very good list.
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On August 13 2015 03:11 Trfel wrote:
ruXxar
In addition to the many inconsistencies in his play, ruXxar seems unwilling to interact with people and adjust his reads when presented with new information. He doesn't seem at all interested in asking questions to gain information. I don't see him putting effort into this game, pushing his reads, or using critical thinking.
I feel like this is a misrepresentation of my play.
In my opinion I've been interacting a lot, and have been adjusting reads and trying to consider different viewpoints.
I've been asking a decent amount of questions, even though some people refuse to answer.
I've also been pushing my reads which you can clearly see from the way the thread has been evolving.
The only thing here i agree with is that my critical thinking is not the sharpest.
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On August 13 2015 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##unvote
##vote Hopeless1der
What changed your mind?
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On August 13 2015 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LIKE WHY DO YOU CARE IF YOU THINK I AM TOWN RUXXAR?
jesus christ.... you are really getting on my nerves.
I love how you always brush away my questions instead of answering them. Lovely <3
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On August 13 2015 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 05:05 ruXxar wrote:On August 13 2015 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LIKE WHY DO YOU CARE IF YOU THINK I AM TOWN RUXXAR?
jesus christ.... you are really getting on my nerves. I love how you always brush away my questions instead of answering them. Lovely <3 your questions are stupid and they do not help the town find mafia so ofc i ignore them. vote for hopeless if you are town.
Because you're the one with all the answers, who determines what is the one and only absolute correct way to play mafia. All hail rayn our overlord.
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On August 13 2015 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 05:10 ruXxar wrote:On August 13 2015 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 13 2015 05:05 ruXxar wrote:On August 13 2015 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LIKE WHY DO YOU CARE IF YOU THINK I AM TOWN RUXXAR?
jesus christ.... you are really getting on my nerves. I love how you always brush away my questions instead of answering them. Lovely <3 your questions are stupid and they do not help the town find mafia so ofc i ignore them. vote for hopeless if you are town. Because you're the one with all the answers, who determines what is the one and only absolute correct way to play mafia. All hail rayn our overlord. staph plz.
How about you actually try working with me instead of acting like an arrogant prick.
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I'm just waiting for the "ruxx you're brain dead retard" and "ruxx go die irl".
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On August 13 2015 04:49 prplhz wrote:
can we randomly lynch someone who isn't hopeless? there are other people in this game
Yo, why do you not want to lynch hopeless?
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I think either hopeless is scum and scum people are trying to redirect his lynch.
Or he's town and mafia are trying to jump ship / disassociate from the push.
It's only town pushing hopeless atm.
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On August 13 2015 05:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 05:29 rsoultin wrote:On August 13 2015 05:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Finally done with poker.
I'll lynch Hopeless I guess.
##Vote Hopeless1der lol okay artie >< did everyone take a dumb pill or something? I mean I'm okay with lynching prpl too tbh. Either of them is fine. Don't think I want to lynch Decon, sounded too genuine earlier.
Could also lynch prpl.
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On August 13 2015 05:34 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 05:32 ruXxar wrote:
I think either hopeless is scum and scum people are trying to redirect his lynch.
Or he's town and mafia are trying to jump ship / disassociate from the push.
It's only town pushing hopeless atm. would be more helpful if you actually said who you thought was scum here ruxx -_-
On August 13 2015 05:34 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 05:32 ruXxar wrote:
I think either hopeless is scum and scum people are trying to redirect his lynch.
Or he's town and mafia are trying to jump ship / disassociate from the push.
It's only town pushing hopeless atm. so me and RS are scum right
You both came at me at the same time.
That is remarkable.
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On August 13 2015 05:34 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 05:32 ruXxar wrote:
I think either hopeless is scum and scum people are trying to redirect his lynch.
Or he's town and mafia are trying to jump ship / disassociate from the push.
It's only town pushing hopeless atm. so me and RS are scum right
There's multiple people here who tried to avoid the hopeless lynch:
Damdred
Prpl
Decon
Rsoultin
They all piqued my interest.
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