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On August 13 2015 20:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:09 prplhz wrote:On August 13 2015 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
prplhz when was the last game you have zero mentions of Palmar on D1? as what alignment? as any alignment. like this is what i don't like. instead of just answering you start some sort of argument that doesn't really help or solve anything.
well i think it does help solve something, namely your problem with me not talking a lot about palmar. if i always talk about palmar, both as scum and town, then i guess it doesn't say anything about me that i didn't talk about him this game? or am i wrong here?
i don't know when the last time i didn't talk about palmar on d1 was or if it ever happened.
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i don't even know what you expected me to say about palmar. he's been afk all game. to me he's a great null in a sea of nulls. i don't know why you expect me to have a strong opinion on him or why you expect me to try to engage noticably with someone who often stubbornly just does what he feels like.
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On August 13 2015 20:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like can you explain this prplhz:
Here is what i see when i read your filter:
First you say you need something to sheep (which is basically what you say all D1 long). Okay fine. Then you argue against lynching Hopeless because there is no case which is literally incorrect because i actually made a case on him. Instead of addressing the case directly you get into an argument with me over something that is totally irrelevant to finding mafia. Then you call out VE (i guess you are suspicious of him then, because why would you do that otherwise?). That's also fine. Then you go into an argument with Artanis about deconduo, and during the argument - when i read it now - it seems like you are defending deconduo (by attacking Artanis' argument). That's also fine.
What is NOT FINE is that your vote ends up on Deconduo given that you have:
- said you just don't wanna lurker lynch (hopeless) but apparently lurkerlynching deconduo is okay for you ?!?!?
- never ever commented on my ACTUAL CASE on Hopeless, and the fact that there was no case on deconduo
- VE, who you are suspicious of, is basically the first person to push deconduo, and you just don't care about this at all?
- You defend "deconduo" against Artanis. Hell Artanis even tells you VE is the first one to push deconduo, you still don't care.
- After all this you just park your vote on deconduo....
Like how in your opinion does ANY of this make ANY sense at all?
i never had a great problem with lynching deconduo. to me he played like every other player who used to play but then didn't play for a long while but now they're back to play again, like every other player like that plays. i thought it was what i expected of him so i gave him a very slight town read.
this very slight town read had absolutely nothing to do with my arguments with artanis.
artanis made a case on decon based on a spreadsheet that i was very impressed with. the spreadsheet, not the argument. in my opinion the case was super flawed and didn't tell us anything. so i engaged with artanis on it because the thread was dead, i had no leads, nothing was happening, some guy made an argument i disagreed with, lets see what happens?
after the case i decided to revoke my slight town read on decon. back to null with him. why? because he hadn't done anything. it's like he showed up, did what was expected, left again. back to null. rso looked town though and so did artanis and his spreadsheet so i decided that i'd just sheep them.
i can sort of see why artanis made his argument (that i still disagree with), i liked his spreadsheet, rso looked townie enough compared to other people, i decided that these were the people i was gonna sheep.
i don't know why it's relevant VE voted decon? i also already knew this when i started talking to artanis (i pointed it out in an earlier post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24726076).
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On August 13 2015 20:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:23 prplhz wrote:
i don't even know what you expected me to say about palmar. he's been afk all game. to me he's a great null in a sea of nulls. i don't know why you expect me to have a strong opinion on him or why you expect me to try to engage noticably with someone who often stubbornly just does what he feels like. well in contrary to you i have a strong ideo of ~7 people who he thinks are either town or mafia. i have zero idea who you think is mafia, so it's kinda unfair to call him "afk" or even "null". Because he has ACTUAL reads. If he posts his reasoning or not does not matter.
eh i'm sort of lost here. why do you think it matters that you think you have stronger opinions than i do?
i don't really think it's unfair to call him afk, he's mostly been afk. i remember him saying exactly one thing, and that is that damdred is scum for how he entered the thread. and "null" is just my opinion, it has nothing to do with fairness. i don't read him as any alignment so he's null to me. i don't see why i should rely on my sense of righteousness to form reads.
anyway, why do you think me not talking about palmar makes me scum? there's not really anything to talk about for town prpl. and as for scum prpl, well it's easy for him to just have whatever opinion on palmar since palmar isn't really around and didn't say a lot.
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On August 13 2015 20:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:48 prplhz wrote:On August 13 2015 20:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 13 2015 20:23 prplhz wrote:
i don't even know what you expected me to say about palmar. he's been afk all game. to me he's a great null in a sea of nulls. i don't know why you expect me to have a strong opinion on him or why you expect me to try to engage noticably with someone who often stubbornly just does what he feels like. well in contrary to you i have a strong ideo of ~7 people who he thinks are either town or mafia. i have zero idea who you think is mafia, so it's kinda unfair to call him "afk" or even "null". Because he has ACTUAL reads. If he posts his reasoning or not does not matter. eh i'm sort of lost here. why do you think it matters that you think you have stronger opinions than i do? i don't really think it's unfair to call him afk, he's mostly been afk. i remember him saying exactly one thing, and that is that damdred is scum for how he entered the thread. and "null" is just my opinion, it has nothing to do with fairness. i don't read him as any alignment so he's null to me. i don't see why i should rely on my sense of righteousness to form reads. anyway, why do you think me not talking about palmar makes me scum? there's not really anything to talk about for town prpl. and as for scum prpl, well it's easy for him to just have whatever opinion on palmar since palmar isn't really around and didn't say a lot. Because usually you and Palmar go on each other in every single game. Now you don't. There is something wrong with it. And i don't know what that is. Like this same thing happened with Damdred/Xatalos in the last game i played. Something wrong, i can't explain what, but something does not make sense. At least one of you have to be scum for it to make sense, and i think Palmar is town.
no we don't? where did you get that? we don't just go on each other from start every single game. why do you think that?
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On August 13 2015 21:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am actually starting leaning towards rsoultin being mafia.
you said that you were gonna write a big case on her d2 so it's about time you start leaning mafia on her.
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On August 13 2015 20:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:33 prplhz wrote:On August 13 2015 20:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like can you explain this prplhz:
Here is what i see when i read your filter:
First you say you need something to sheep (which is basically what you say all D1 long). Okay fine. Then you argue against lynching Hopeless because there is no case which is literally incorrect because i actually made a case on him. Instead of addressing the case directly you get into an argument with me over something that is totally irrelevant to finding mafia. Then you call out VE (i guess you are suspicious of him then, because why would you do that otherwise?). That's also fine. Then you go into an argument with Artanis about deconduo, and during the argument - when i read it now - it seems like you are defending deconduo (by attacking Artanis' argument). That's also fine.
What is NOT FINE is that your vote ends up on Deconduo given that you have:
- said you just don't wanna lurker lynch (hopeless) but apparently lurkerlynching deconduo is okay for you ?!?!?
- never ever commented on my ACTUAL CASE on Hopeless, and the fact that there was no case on deconduo
- VE, who you are suspicious of, is basically the first person to push deconduo, and you just don't care about this at all?
- You defend "deconduo" against Artanis. Hell Artanis even tells you VE is the first one to push deconduo, you still don't care.
- After all this you just park your vote on deconduo....
Like how in your opinion does ANY of this make ANY sense at all? i never had a great problem with lynching deconduo. to me he played like every other player who used to play but then didn't play for a long while but now they're back to play again, like every other player like that plays. i thought it was what i expected of him so i gave him a very slight town read. this very slight town read had absolutely nothing to do with my arguments with artanis. artanis made a case on decon based on a spreadsheet that i was very impressed with. the spreadsheet, not the argument. in my opinion the case was super flawed and didn't tell us anything. so i engaged with artanis on it because the thread was dead, i had no leads, nothing was happening, some guy made an argument i disagreed with, lets see what happens? after the case i decided to revoke my slight town read on decon. back to null with him. why? because he hadn't done anything. it's like he showed up, did what was expected, left again. back to null. rso looked town though and so did artanis and his spreadsheet so i decided that i'd just sheep them. i can sort of see why artanis made his argument (that i still disagree with), i liked his spreadsheet, rso looked townie enough compared to other people, i decided that these were the people i was gonna sheep. i don't know why it's relevant VE voted decon? i also already knew this when i started talking to artanis (i pointed it out in an earlier post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24726076). So you were very impressed by the spreadsheet, but you didn't actually take anything away from it and disagreed with the case. In retrospect, it was indeed wrong. What DID you learn from it though?
i'm really not trying to be cheeky here and i tried rewording my response a couple of time but every time it just boils down to this: i learned that you made a spreadsheet that seemed to be correct.
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eh why did you want to lynch me yesterday rso? or like why did you suggest me and decon and not someone else instead?
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On August 13 2015 22:28 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:25 prplhz wrote:
eh why did you want to lynch me yesterday rso? or like why did you suggest me and decon and not someone else instead? you don't play much as scum. the more you posted the less sure i became on that read lol >< and as for condor, i just thought the way he stayed glued to the mechanics discussion was scummy? especially since his only push was just someone not playing the game the way he thought they should be @.@
so we good now or you still wanna lynch me?
what's your read on palmar?
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just because i post more than you think i would as scum? you should go check up on me in i can't believe it's still not themed mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486819-i-still-cant-believe-its-not-themed-mafia?user=prplhz where i actually tried to post as scum (and actually managed to win a game for once)
i don't care at all for your chez scum read btw seriously chez does weird shit all the time and sometimes he plays and sometimes he don't and you haven't a clue how to read him and if you base all your reads around a scum read on him that's not very good
what's your read on palmar? seems like you haven't a clue how anybody has a read on him while saying that his sole contribution so far is mind boggling (in a bad way). rayn seems to have a rather strong read on him, what you make of that?
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then what is it about? what happened that made you change your mind on me?
you should stop thinking you can read chez because i probably can't lol. you already said that deconduo (another veteran) was scum because you didn't understand the way he played, turned out it was wrong. now you're saying the exact same thing about chez. you can't read chez because he just does whatever the fuck and you can't rely on him for shit. and when you base your reads around thinking the least readable player in this game is definitely scum then you're going to be super wrong and that's a bad move and i don't like it when people make bad moves that they ought to know are bad moves.
this chez thing is decon all over again so stop doing it or convince me he is scum.
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On August 13 2015 23:03 Damdred wrote:
Palmars pretty much lock town I think just trust me.
Its kinda annoying rayn basically parrots me and then tells me to stop being dumb its amazing.
So fed up with mafia on the whole
the faction or the game?
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On August 13 2015 23:07 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:02 prplhz wrote:
then what is it about? what happened that made you change your mind on me?
you should stop thinking you can read chez because i probably can't lol. you already said that deconduo (another veteran) was scum because you didn't understand the way he played, turned out it was wrong. now you're saying the exact same thing about chez. you can't read chez because he just does whatever the fuck and you can't rely on him for shit. and when you base your reads around thinking the least readable player in this game is definitely scum then you're going to be super wrong and that's a bad move and i don't like it when people make bad moves that they ought to know are bad moves.
this chez thing is decon all over again so stop doing it or convince me he is scum. so how exactly is it town chez to tunnel truffle all game and then vote with him? explain that one to me, prp
have you never played with chez before or something
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On August 13 2015 23:12 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:11 prplhz wrote:On August 13 2015 23:07 rsoultin wrote:On August 13 2015 23:02 prplhz wrote:
then what is it about? what happened that made you change your mind on me?
you should stop thinking you can read chez because i probably can't lol. you already said that deconduo (another veteran) was scum because you didn't understand the way he played, turned out it was wrong. now you're saying the exact same thing about chez. you can't read chez because he just does whatever the fuck and you can't rely on him for shit. and when you base your reads around thinking the least readable player in this game is definitely scum then you're going to be super wrong and that's a bad move and i don't like it when people make bad moves that they ought to know are bad moves.
this chez thing is decon all over again so stop doing it or convince me he is scum. so how exactly is it town chez to tunnel truffle all game and then vote with him? explain that one to me, prp have you never played with chez before or something just once in ippo, i think so basically you're saying there's no possible way to read chez, ever? the same way you people told me there's no way to read slam? lol ><
i'm saying it's very difficult to read chez and him changing his opinion doesn't justify a clear scum read. it doesn't justify anything.
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On August 13 2015 06:08 Chezinu wrote:
I tried brainstorming alternative candidates but my mind was a bit cloudy.
this was 4 hours before he changed his vote to decon.
indicates that he was thinking about other candidates (than hopeless), that he was considering not tunneling trfel to oblivion.
people are allowed to change their opinion on d1 especially people who are sort of nuts.
no?
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like this chez thing is super weak but i guess i can sort of understand why you think it's stronger than it is rso and no i don't think you're scum (even if rayn will call me scum because i'm arguing with someone i don't currently think is scum).
like i vote with my town reads so why would chez vote with his scum reads? but that argument has been used a lot before and sometimes people just vote for who they think is scum.
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i'm not gonna read last 5 pages because skimming them it looks like people are just maaaaaaaaaad
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wow if we could storm palmar???
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like weekend's coming up so he's gonna be afk and we can't deal with him until d3 or something and that really sucks
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