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Chezinu
United States7463 Posts
On August 13 2015 02:52 rsoultin wrote: -squints at chez- i still don't get this umbrella thing :/ Don't worry, the chez doesn't fully understand either. It's not met to fully represent a medic. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Trfel (1): Chezinu, Hopeless1der (2): ruXxar (2): raynpelikoneet, Vivax VisceraEyes (0): deconduo (1): VisceraEyes Damdred (1): Palmar Not Voting (6): Artanis[Xp], Trfel, Damdred, prplhz, deconduo, Hopeless1der Currently No One is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends on August 12 02:00 GMT (+00:00) in | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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Trfel
7015 Posts
RuXxar's play feels unmotivated and unproductive. He provides a reasonable quantity of reads, however he doesn't try to engage people or push his reads. RuXxar says that he is demotivated, but this doesn't make sense. + Show Spoiler [Quotes] + On August 11 2015 17:33 ruXxar wrote: I could start spamming the thread up to generate activity, but I don't feel like doing that right now. On August 11 2015 22:44 ruXxar wrote: I lost a lot if motivation after the last game. My mood is not bubbly today. O well. Not gonna fake excitement when I'm not. The last game he referred to is Desert Center Mini Mafia, which was aborted after a Day 1 mislynch. However, that game ended over a day before this game began, and in between Desert Center ending and this game starting, ruXxar made this post:Which seems happy enough. I don't understand why/how town would be demotivated here. RuXxar seems uninterested in discussing with people or pushing his reads. On August 11 2015 15:57 ruXxar wrote: Here's his first post with reads. He scumread me (Trfel) because he thought my read felt too confident.Mm, of the people posting so far, trfel is most likely scum. Didn't care for his reads post on rs at all tbh :/. Felt too confident and almost made up as if he already knew her alignment and just poured on reasons to make it look legit. I think damdy is town, rs is townish, chezinu is ?? No idea. Raynpelikoneet disagrees, and then says that he doesn't like ruXxar's approach, and ruXxar responds: On August 11 2015 17:33 ruXxar wrote: He doesn't explain his read, he doesn't evaluate raynpelikoneet's read/alignment at all, he just makes an excuse.Meh, there's not much to go off, so I work with what I have. I could start spamming the thread up to generate activity, but I don't feel like doing that right now. On August 12 2015 00:22 ruXxar wrote: But there were things for him to do, not necessarily pushing his reads, but trying to gain more information to make his reads more accurate. For example, he could have asked raynpelikoneet why he liked my read on rsoultin, which could be important for his scumread on me.Sounds like a plan. The way it looks right now there's not much to do anyway. On August 12 2015 01:12 ruXxar wrote: Here, he says that it's okay if people disagree with him, he'll just be more suspicious of them. He's not pushing his reads at all, and not trying to solve the game.I think rs alignment will become clear with time. I just want to observe her and not interfere just yet. I don't think trfel is towny at this point so I don't understand your question. Are you calling me scum? I think it's fine that people have differing opinions on trfel. I'm naturally more suspicious of the people that disagree with me. Also, his reads don't adapt to new information. His scumread on me showed this (he initially mentioned a scumread that wasn't that strong in his first post, and never shared any other reasons except for agreeing with one of VisceraEyes' posts scumreading me, but apparently didn't find my post noteworthy enough to comment on himself?), as did his scumread on Vivax. He seems very disinterested on changing his reads with regards to new information. Strong scumread on Hopeless1der comes out of nowhere. On August 12 2015 05:38 ruXxar wrote: 1) I'm not sure who scum are. If I knew then you'd see me tunneling them to hell and back. I have some ideas, and I'm willing to explore them and see how people react when attacked. 2) Reads : Town: - Rayn - Damdred - VE gets a daypass. - RS gets a daypass. Scum: -Trfel - Vivax / hopeless. Leaning more towards hopeless. On August 12 2015 05:54 ruXxar wrote: 16 minutes in between, and Hopeless1der made no posts in between.We should lynch hopeless rider. He's like 99% mafia imo. In addition to the many inconsistencies in his play, ruXxar seems unwilling to interact with people and adjust his reads when presented with new information. He doesn't seem at all interested in asking questions to gain information. I don't see him putting effort into this game, pushing his reads, or using critical thinking. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On August 13 2015 03:14 Damdred wrote: I played with him in one of the newbie games. I was mafia with WaveofShadow and Sulfurus.Have you even looked at his town games to see any differences His reads weren't always logical or well thought out in that game, however he put a ton of effort into the game. He was always willing to discuss things with people and re-evaluate. Many times he would make posts and reads, and I would show him logical flaws, and he would adjust his reads based on my statements. I don't see any of the effort (post count doesn't mean effort), actual pushes, or willingness to discuss and reconsider here. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On August 13 2015 03:21 Damdred wrote: No, but there's only Newbie Student Mafia XIII and Desert Center Mini Mafia (which doesn't really count). I've read probably half of his town posts on TL Mafia.Ok but have you looked at any of his recent town games? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On August 13 2015 03:25 Trfel wrote: No, but there's only Newbie Student Mafia XIII and Desert Center Mini Mafia (which doesn't really count). I've read probably half of his town posts on TL Mafia. so you are giving him scum points for being illogical? Unless I misunderstood? | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On August 13 2015 03:36 Damdred wrote: I think he is likely to be scum because of how he doesn't push his reads and doesn't seem to consider new information. The rest is bonus.so you are giving him scum points for being illogical? Unless I misunderstood? | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On August 12 2015 08:16 ruXxar wrote: @Deconduo can I get some reads from you? I mentioned before that VE is the only scum read I had, but here's a more thorough breakdown: Rayn: Almost certainly town. He's kinda taken the lead a bit, and has been vocal about pushing ruxx. Don't particularly agree with his case, but his attitude is good. Artanis: Pretty sure he's town. Vivax: I like a couple of his posts, feels townish to me. Bit of a dick though  Trfel: I like his post on RS at the start of the game. RS: No real read, but trfel's original post is enough to put her slightly on the town side for now. Palmar/prpl/chez/damdred/hopeless1der: Meh, nothing from them really yet. Ve: I've said a few things before about him, but in addition, a lot of his posts just seem forced. Voting for him. ##Vote VisceraEyes | ||
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Vivax
22132 Posts
On August 13 2015 03:48 Trfel wrote: I think he is likely to be scum because of how he doesn't push his reads and doesn't seem to consider new information. The rest is bonus. I agree with you on everything in that case. There's a mini slim chance Ruxxar is just a massively confused town player, but I didn't get that impression he was confused when he was mafia. He would actually try to present logical arguments, what gave him away in Gaiden is that when he was presenting logical somethings with lot of content, they never actually contributed to pursuing his scumreads, at least that's what made me think he was scum on the night I was killed. | ||
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Vivax
22132 Posts
On August 13 2015 03:56 deconduo wrote: I mentioned before that VE is the only scum read I had, but here's a more thorough breakdown: Rayn: Almost certainly town. He's kinda taken the lead a bit, and has been vocal about pushing ruxx. Don't particularly agree with his case, but his attitude is good. Artanis: Pretty sure he's town. Vivax: I like a couple of his posts, feels townish to me. Bit of a dick though Trfel: I like his post on RS at the start of the game. RS: No real read, but trfel's original post is enough to put her slightly on the town side for now. Palmar/prpl/chez/damdred/hopeless1der: Meh, nothing from them really yet. Ve: I've said a few things before about him, but in addition, a lot of his posts just seem forced. Voting for him. ##Vote VisceraEyes Where's Ruxxar? | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On August 13 2015 03:56 deconduo wrote: I mentioned before that VE is the only scum read I had, but here's a more thorough breakdown: Rayn: Almost certainly town. He's kinda taken the lead a bit, and has been vocal about pushing ruxx. Don't particularly agree with his case, but his attitude is good. Artanis: Pretty sure he's town. Vivax: I like a couple of his posts, feels townish to me. Bit of a dick though Trfel: I like his post on RS at the start of the game. RS: No real read, but trfel's original post is enough to put her slightly on the town side for now. Palmar/prpl/chez/damdred/hopeless1der: Meh, nothing from them really yet. Ve: I've said a few things before about him, but in addition, a lot of his posts just seem forced. Voting for him. ##Vote VisceraEyes Oh missed you in that. You can go in the neutral pile as well. | ||
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Vivax
22132 Posts
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On August 12 2015 22:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am pretty sure i know the answer in case deconduo is town but let's hear an answer from him. Being too focused on mechanics something I get accused of a bit (and I've been lynched for it before  ). I love weird mechanics and trying work out the optimal plays in a given situation. I'm also a kind of shitty scumhunter so I tend to try and focus on my strengths where possible.TBH I was kind of hoping to be scum this game. I love the idea of working out a massive hurricane hitlist and winning in one turn. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On August 13 2015 03:59 Vivax wrote: Why don't you have a read on Ruxxar in that post deconduo? I was responding to him so I overlooked him. He goes in the neutral pile for now, though I am reading trflel's case against him now, | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Trfel (1): Chezinu, Hopeless1der (3): ruXxar (1): VisceraEyes (1): deconduo (1): VisceraEyes Damdred (1): Palmar Not Voting (5): Artanis[Xp], Trfel, Damdred, prplhz, Hopeless1der Currently Hopeless1der is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends on August 12 02:00 GMT (+00:00) in | ||
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