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On August 13 2015 02:52 rsoultin wrote: -squints at chez-
i still don't get this umbrella thing :/ Don't worry, the chez doesn't fully understand either. It's not met to fully represent a medic.
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Trfel (1): Chezinu, VisceraEyes Hopeless1der (2): raynpelikoneet, rsoultin, ruXxar ruXxar (2): raynpelikoneet, Vivax VisceraEyes (0): Artanis[XP] deconduo (1): VisceraEyes Damdred (1): Palmar
Not Voting (6): Artanis[Xp], Trfel, Damdred, prplhz, deconduo, Hopeless1der
Currently No One is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends on August 12 02:00 GMT (+00:00) in
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Sorta surprised more people aren't hopping on the damdred wagon I sorta don't feel like pushing much right now because idk what to push besides not to lynch my tr.
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ruXxar
RuXxar's play feels unmotivated and unproductive. He provides a reasonable quantity of reads, however he doesn't try to engage people or push his reads.
RuXxar says that he is demotivated, but this doesn't make sense.
+ Show Spoiler [Quotes] +On August 11 2015 17:33 ruXxar wrote: I could start spamming the thread up to generate activity, but I don't feel like doing that right now. On August 11 2015 22:44 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2015 22:28 rsoultin wrote:On August 11 2015 18:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 11 2015 11:40 Damdred wrote:On August 11 2015 11:23 Trfel wrote: I know this sounds really stupid, but...
Rsoultin seems a bit towny here. Her opening post felt relaxed, and more importantly, happy to be in the game. Given that rsoultin really doesn't like playing scum, has played scum frequently in her last several games, and had a very frustrating game as town that ended earlier today (despite the game being a victory), it's hard for me to see her actually being happy as mafia this early on in the game.
I hope I'm not making the same mistake yet again T.T If you are talking about this post, yes it is the one thing stopping me from having a strong town read on trfel. With how much you played with trfel it is just weird for an early read. I honestly don't think I mind the read as much as the first and last line. The arguments itself suggest he's pretty certain ("hard for me to see her... be mafia") yet both the first and last sentence seed doubt about his own argument and make it more likely it's ignored. this, this, this lol >< the artie is more articulate than me apparently ^^ not surprising although kinda not this? sorta this hrum more like hey guys i'm not sure but no reasons as to why he's not in the read itself? kinda getting the feeling it's just uber nitpicky now, though lol >< also, damdy, i don't really understand the distinction you're trying to draw :/ my impression of truffle reads are written arguments with himself but uh...okay? nh...ruxxy isn't happy this game? whyyyyy? I lost a lot if motivation after the last game. My mood is not bubbly today. O well. Not gonna fake excitement when I'm not. The last game he referred to is Desert Center Mini Mafia, which was aborted after a Day 1 mislynch. However, that game ended over a day before this game began, and in between Desert Center ending and this game starting, ruXxar made this post:On August 11 2015 05:27 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2015 03:14 Half the Sky wrote:On August 10 2015 19:58 Palmar wrote: Deadline at 2am.
Downside, can't hammer mafia. Upside, don't have to watch townies being retarded. In Munich the next two weeks, 4am EoD if I replace in. >_< Too late to stay up, too early to wake up like I did for Titanic 7. With 7/13 players being in Europe, I'm curious to see how town navigate shennanies if they do when a decent chunk are AFK/asleep. Unless you all are going to do what you did in Imperial and stay up all night. In that case, wish I were young again hehe... Inb4 all mafia are americans Which seems happy enough.
I don't understand why/how town would be demotivated here.
RuXxar seems uninterested in discussing with people or pushing his reads.
On August 11 2015 15:57 ruXxar wrote: Mm, of the people posting so far, trfel is most likely scum. Didn't care for his reads post on rs at all tbh :/. Felt too confident and almost made up as if he already knew her alignment and just poured on reasons to make it look legit.
I think damdy is town, rs is townish, chezinu is ?? No idea. Here's his first post with reads. He scumread me (Trfel) because he thought my read felt too confident.
Raynpelikoneet disagrees, and then says that he doesn't like ruXxar's approach, and ruXxar responds:On August 11 2015 17:33 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2015 16:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 11 2015 15:57 ruXxar wrote: Mm, of the people posting so far, trfel is most likely scum. Didn't care for his reads post on rs at all tbh :/. Felt too confident and almost made up as if he already knew her alignment and just poured on reasons to make it look legit.
I think damdy is town, rs is townish, chezinu is ?? No idea. I don't like this approach to be honest. At all. Meh, there's not much to go off, so I work with what I have. I could start spamming the thread up to generate activity, but I don't feel like doing that right now. He doesn't explain his read, he doesn't evaluate raynpelikoneet's read/alignment at all, he just makes an excuse.
On August 12 2015 00:22 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2015 00:15 Palmar wrote: I have decided that I'm rather gonna do nothing today. So see you guys tomorrow. Sounds like a plan. The way it looks right now there's not much to do anyway. But there were things for him to do, not necessarily pushing his reads, but trying to gain more information to make his reads more accurate. For example, he could have asked raynpelikoneet why he liked my read on rsoultin, which could be important for his scumread on me.
On August 12 2015 01:12 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2015 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: ruxxar, you and i have no idea where rsoultin actually stands because the read progression from her on Trfel doesn't really make any sense to me.
Plamar has not posted anything for real, same goes with Hopeless, and deconduo & purplehaze havn't posted anything. Vivax hasn't mentioned anything other than Artanis so i guess something about his read on Artanis has to do with Trfel, because if he read Trfel as town he should not have a problem with Artanis atm.
So like, it's me and Artanis (maybe rsoul) and Damdred who do read Trfel AS TOWN at this point of the game. I don't think your question is a good one at this point of the game. If Trfel is town why would scum push him now would be a better question? I think rs alignment will become clear with time. I just want to observe her and not interfere just yet. I don't think trfel is towny at this point so I don't understand your question. Are you calling me scum? I think it's fine that people have differing opinions on trfel. I'm naturally more suspicious of the people that disagree with me. Here, he says that it's okay if people disagree with him, he'll just be more suspicious of them. He's not pushing his reads at all, and not trying to solve the game.
Also, his reads don't adapt to new information. His scumread on me showed this (he initially mentioned a scumread that wasn't that strong in his first post, and never shared any other reasons except for agreeing with one of VisceraEyes' posts scumreading me, but apparently didn't find my post noteworthy enough to comment on himself?), as did his scumread on Vivax. He seems very disinterested on changing his reads with regards to new information.
Strong scumread on Hopeless1der comes out of nowhere.
On August 12 2015 05:38 ruXxar wrote: 1) I'm not sure who scum are. If I knew then you'd see me tunneling them to hell and back. I have some ideas, and I'm willing to explore them and see how people react when attacked.
2) Reads :
Town:
- Rayn - Damdred - VE gets a daypass. - RS gets a daypass.
Scum:
-Trfel - Vivax / hopeless. Leaning more towards hopeless. On August 12 2015 05:54 ruXxar wrote: We should lynch hopeless rider.
He's like 99% mafia imo. 16 minutes in between, and Hopeless1der made no posts in between.
In addition to the many inconsistencies in his play, ruXxar seems unwilling to interact with people and adjust his reads when presented with new information. He doesn't seem at all interested in asking questions to gain information. I don't see him putting effort into this game, pushing his reads, or using critical thinking.
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Have you even looked at his town games to see any differences
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On August 13 2015 03:14 Damdred wrote: Have you even looked at his town games to see any differences I played with him in one of the newbie games. I was mafia with WaveofShadow and Sulfurus.
His reads weren't always logical or well thought out in that game, however he put a ton of effort into the game. He was always willing to discuss things with people and re-evaluate. Many times he would make posts and reads, and I would show him logical flaws, and he would adjust his reads based on my statements. I don't see any of the effort (post count doesn't mean effort), actual pushes, or willingness to discuss and reconsider here.
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Ok but have you looked at any of his recent town games?
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On August 13 2015 03:21 Damdred wrote: Ok but have you looked at any of his recent town games? No, but there's only Newbie Student Mafia XIII and Desert Center Mini Mafia (which doesn't really count). I've read probably half of his town posts on TL Mafia.
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##unvote ##vote Hopeless1der
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On August 13 2015 03:25 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 03:21 Damdred wrote: Ok but have you looked at any of his recent town games? No, but there's only Newbie Student Mafia XIII and Desert Center Mini Mafia (which doesn't really count). I've read probably half of his town posts on TL Mafia.
so you are giving him scum points for being illogical? Unless I misunderstood?
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Honestly most of the points you bring against him are linda void from desert he did a lot of the same things. And in his last nrwb game shrug
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On August 13 2015 03:36 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 03:25 Trfel wrote:On August 13 2015 03:21 Damdred wrote: Ok but have you looked at any of his recent town games? No, but there's only Newbie Student Mafia XIII and Desert Center Mini Mafia (which doesn't really count). I've read probably half of his town posts on TL Mafia. so you are giving him scum points for being illogical? Unless I misunderstood? I think he is likely to be scum because of how he doesn't push his reads and doesn't seem to consider new information. The rest is bonus.
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On August 12 2015 08:16 ruXxar wrote: @Deconduo can I get some reads from you?
I mentioned before that VE is the only scum read I had, but here's a more thorough breakdown:
Rayn: Almost certainly town. He's kinda taken the lead a bit, and has been vocal about pushing ruxx. Don't particularly agree with his case, but his attitude is good.
Artanis: Pretty sure he's town.
Vivax: I like a couple of his posts, feels townish to me. Bit of a dick though
Trfel: I like his post on RS at the start of the game.
RS: No real read, but trfel's original post is enough to put her slightly on the town side for now.
Palmar/prpl/chez/damdred/hopeless1der: Meh, nothing from them really yet.
Ve: I've said a few things before about him, but in addition, a lot of his posts just seem forced. Voting for him.
##Vote VisceraEyes
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On August 13 2015 03:48 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 03:36 Damdred wrote:On August 13 2015 03:25 Trfel wrote:On August 13 2015 03:21 Damdred wrote: Ok but have you looked at any of his recent town games? No, but there's only Newbie Student Mafia XIII and Desert Center Mini Mafia (which doesn't really count). I've read probably half of his town posts on TL Mafia. so you are giving him scum points for being illogical? Unless I misunderstood? I think he is likely to be scum because of how he doesn't push his reads and doesn't seem to consider new information. The rest is bonus.
I agree with you on everything in that case.
There's a mini slim chance Ruxxar is just a massively confused town player, but I didn't get that impression he was confused when he was mafia. He would actually try to present logical arguments, what gave him away in Gaiden is that when he was presenting logical somethings with lot of content, they never actually contributed to pursuing his scumreads, at least that's what made me think he was scum on the night I was killed.
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On August 13 2015 03:56 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2015 08:16 ruXxar wrote: @Deconduo can I get some reads from you? I mentioned before that VE is the only scum read I had, but here's a more thorough breakdown: Rayn: Almost certainly town. He's kinda taken the lead a bit, and has been vocal about pushing ruxx. Don't particularly agree with his case, but his attitude is good. Artanis: Pretty sure he's town. Vivax: I like a couple of his posts, feels townish to me. Bit of a dick though Trfel: I like his post on RS at the start of the game. RS: No real read, but trfel's original post is enough to put her slightly on the town side for now. Palmar/prpl/chez/damdred/hopeless1der: Meh, nothing from them really yet. Ve: I've said a few things before about him, but in addition, a lot of his posts just seem forced. Voting for him. ##Vote VisceraEyes
Where's Ruxxar?
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On August 13 2015 03:56 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2015 08:16 ruXxar wrote: @Deconduo can I get some reads from you? I mentioned before that VE is the only scum read I had, but here's a more thorough breakdown: Rayn: Almost certainly town. He's kinda taken the lead a bit, and has been vocal about pushing ruxx. Don't particularly agree with his case, but his attitude is good. Artanis: Pretty sure he's town. Vivax: I like a couple of his posts, feels townish to me. Bit of a dick though Trfel: I like his post on RS at the start of the game. RS: No real read, but trfel's original post is enough to put her slightly on the town side for now. Palmar/prpl/chez/damdred/hopeless1der: Meh, nothing from them really yet. Ve: I've said a few things before about him, but in addition, a lot of his posts just seem forced. Voting for him. ##Vote VisceraEyes
Oh missed you in that. You can go in the neutral pile as well.
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Why don't you have a read on Ruxxar in that post deconduo?
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On August 12 2015 22:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2015 20:50 rsoultin wrote: obv he's got nothing and mechanics are easy to hide behind, but more interesting to me is i'm not sure why town would already be thinking about how mafia could get information out of storm votes/narrow down storm names to assassinate
I am pretty sure i know the answer in case deconduo is town but let's hear an answer from him.
Being too focused on mechanics something I get accused of a bit (and I've been lynched for it before ). I love weird mechanics and trying work out the optimal plays in a given situation. I'm also a kind of shitty scumhunter so I tend to try and focus on my strengths where possible.
TBH I was kind of hoping to be scum this game. I love the idea of working out a massive hurricane hitlist and winning in one turn.
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On August 13 2015 03:59 Vivax wrote: Why don't you have a read on Ruxxar in that post deconduo?
I was responding to him so I overlooked him. He goes in the neutral pile for now, though I am reading trflel's case against him now,
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Vote Count
Trfel (1): Chezinu, VisceraEyes Hopeless1der (3): raynpelikoneet, rsoultin, ruXxar, raynpelikoneet ruXxar (1): raynpelikoneet, Vivax VisceraEyes (1): Artanis[XP], deconduo deconduo (1): VisceraEyes Damdred (1): Palmar
Not Voting (5): Artanis[Xp], Trfel, Damdred, prplhz, Hopeless1der
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