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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 11 2015 21:04 GMT
#441
because that's literally what he has done.
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
August 11 2015 21:06 GMT
#442
On August 12 2015 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Artanis let's be real here:
Do you ignore everyhitng i pointed out just because his response is "lol you are bad rayn"?

I think you're tunneling and that you're wrong. I'm confident in that he's town and nothing you've pointed out in your filter has made me think otherwise. That he backtracked and contradicted himself does not make him scum. It just means he's playing a bad game. I can change my opinion on something if I reread too.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
August 11 2015 21:09 GMT
#443
On August 12 2015 06:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2015 06:01 deconduo wrote:
On August 12 2015 05:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
deconduo could you please do something useful?


Like tell people not to claim their hurricane name. Cos apparently that's pretty useful.

Something that has to do with scumhunting preferably.


Meh. Only VE has looked particularly scummy to me as I've pointed out.

Everyone else is townish or neutral or absent (hi prpl).
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 11 2015 21:10 GMT
#444
On August 12 2015 06:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2015 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Artanis let's be real here:
Do you ignore everyhitng i pointed out just because his response is "lol you are bad rayn"?

I think you're tunneling and that you're wrong. I'm confident in that he's town and nothing you've pointed out in your filter has made me think otherwise. That he backtracked and contradicted himself does not make him scum. It just means he's playing a bad game. I can change my opinion on something if I reread too.

that was not what he did though based on his OWN words.
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
August 11 2015 21:10 GMT
#445
On August 12 2015 06:09 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2015 06:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 12 2015 06:01 deconduo wrote:
On August 12 2015 05:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
deconduo could you please do something useful?


Like tell people not to claim their hurricane name. Cos apparently that's pretty useful.

Something that has to do with scumhunting preferably.


Meh. Only VE has looked particularly scummy to me as I've pointed out.

Everyone else is townish or neutral or absent (hi prpl).

Is that just because of the storm name thing and his reaction to you pointing it out?
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
August 11 2015 21:10 GMT
#446
Even with everyone jumping on ruxx, I don't see anything jump out at me reading through his filter. The mixup looks to be genuine.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 11 2015 21:11 GMT
#447
i am really this bad at explaining myself.
Palmar please halp
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deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
August 11 2015 21:13 GMT
#448
On August 12 2015 06:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2015 06:09 deconduo wrote:
On August 12 2015 06:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 12 2015 06:01 deconduo wrote:
On August 12 2015 05:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
deconduo could you please do something useful?


Like tell people not to claim their hurricane name. Cos apparently that's pretty useful.

Something that has to do with scumhunting preferably.


Meh. Only VE has looked particularly scummy to me as I've pointed out.

Everyone else is townish or neutral or absent (hi prpl).

Is that just because of the storm name thing and his reaction to you pointing it out?


Yah. Your post on him is more of a meta thing than anything else, but I'll wait for his response before making any more judgements on that end.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
August 11 2015 21:14 GMT
#449
On August 12 2015 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2015 06:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 12 2015 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Artanis let's be real here:
Do you ignore everyhitng i pointed out just because his response is "lol you are bad rayn"?

I think you're tunneling and that you're wrong. I'm confident in that he's town and nothing you've pointed out in your filter has made me think otherwise. That he backtracked and contradicted himself does not make him scum. It just means he's playing a bad game. I can change my opinion on something if I reread too.

that was not what he did though based on his OWN words.

You don't need to state that you reread something to reread it. He went back to quote something, then gives the opposite read of what he did at the time iirc. I don't think that makes him scum in the slightest, and it doesn't weigh up to the to me overwhelming evidence that he is town.

Please refute my arguments on VE and explain to me why you think he's town.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
August 11 2015 21:16 GMT
#450
On August 12 2015 06:13 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2015 06:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 12 2015 06:09 deconduo wrote:
On August 12 2015 06:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 12 2015 06:01 deconduo wrote:
On August 12 2015 05:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
deconduo could you please do something useful?


Like tell people not to claim their hurricane name. Cos apparently that's pretty useful.

Something that has to do with scumhunting preferably.


Meh. Only VE has looked particularly scummy to me as I've pointed out.

Everyone else is townish or neutral or absent (hi prpl).

Is that just because of the storm name thing and his reaction to you pointing it out?


Yah. Your post on him is more of a meta thing than anything else, but I'll wait for his response before making any more judgements on that end.

I don't think they're necessarily reliant on meta; the Vivax read is more so since I exempted scumreading him for the same reason, it's more a general scummy thing to do (throwing dirt on someone without reasons)

The part about not reading the game is also not meta related at all, so I don't think my VE read is based on meta.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22287 Posts
August 11 2015 21:17 GMT
#451
I think all those people here who come in and randomly say they don't think ruxxar is mafia didn't really experience the context rayn and I did, besides there aren't many arguments presented for him being town except "meh, he could do this as town" without weighging in the arguments for him being mafia.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 11 2015 21:18 GMT
#452
Palmar my deepest love in this game!

Could you please go:
1) through my filter and see what i say about ruxxar
2) through his filter and see what i mean
3) through my filter to confirm

4) Please then make these people understand why he is mafia.
He is mafia, it is quite obvious. Jesus do not let them lynch VE.

Palmar please. If you do something on D1 and you are town please do this.

-snowangel
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 11 2015 21:21 GMT
#453
On August 12 2015 06:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2015 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 12 2015 06:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 12 2015 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Artanis let's be real here:
Do you ignore everyhitng i pointed out just because his response is "lol you are bad rayn"?

I think you're tunneling and that you're wrong. I'm confident in that he's town and nothing you've pointed out in your filter has made me think otherwise. That he backtracked and contradicted himself does not make him scum. It just means he's playing a bad game. I can change my opinion on something if I reread too.

that was not what he did though based on his OWN words.

You don't need to state that you reread something to reread it. He went back to quote something, then gives the opposite read of what he did at the time iirc. I don't think that makes him scum in the slightest, and it doesn't weigh up to the to me overwhelming evidence that he is town.

Please refute my arguments on VE and explain to me why you think he's town.

You are wrong. You are not reading properly.

I think your arguments on VE are dumb. It does not make him mafia.
I can't give you a "proper" reason why he isn't, except i know him well.
I understand if you do not get it, but mehhhh...
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deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
August 11 2015 21:23 GMT
#454
On August 12 2015 06:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2015 06:13 deconduo wrote:
On August 12 2015 06:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 12 2015 06:09 deconduo wrote:
On August 12 2015 06:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 12 2015 06:01 deconduo wrote:
On August 12 2015 05:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
deconduo could you please do something useful?


Like tell people not to claim their hurricane name. Cos apparently that's pretty useful.

Something that has to do with scumhunting preferably.


Meh. Only VE has looked particularly scummy to me as I've pointed out.

Everyone else is townish or neutral or absent (hi prpl).

Is that just because of the storm name thing and his reaction to you pointing it out?


Yah. Your post on him is more of a meta thing than anything else, but I'll wait for his response before making any more judgements on that end.

I don't think they're necessarily reliant on meta; the Vivax read is more so since I exempted scumreading him for the same reason, it's more a general scummy thing to do (throwing dirt on someone without reasons)

The part about not reading the game is also not meta related at all, so I don't think my VE read is based on meta.


Actually I did notice that post by VE in my first read through and I thought something similar about it. I then forgot about it

As for reading the game, is that necessarily a scumtell? I'm guilty of skimming the thread a bit, and I'm sure others are as well.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 11 2015 21:25 GMT
#455
On August 12 2015 05:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I think VE might be mafia. First reason is:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2015 01:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh I wanted to be the very first to throw scum on Artanis just for being good at being scum. He's scary as fuck and if he lives longer than 3 days we kill him no questions period k? Thx.

I don't recall VE being someone that fearmongers this much. I'm far from the best mafia player around as well. I've had two good mafia games and the rest have been washes. It also achieves scum objectives in the sense that it throws suspicion on me without actually quantifying it with anything. Vivax did something similar, but he's Vivax.

Secondly, he clearly wasn't reading the thread.
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2015 01:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
The real question is: why isn't anyone else suspicious of Trfel if he's NOT mafia. That's the real question.

Plenty of people indicated townreads on Trfel at that point, and I had called his play suspicious as well before coming back to it later.

Fine:

1) VE jsut had a game where he wanted to kill the shit out of me because he felt like i was "pocketing him again" as he had townread me when i was scum for two games in a row. You can call that "fearmongering", i call this "similar approach".

2) There are several instances where VE has not been reading the thread properly, like in the last game he wanted to kill me 36h later i had already flipped.

case closed?
Here is game: http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=1994
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22287 Posts
August 11 2015 21:26 GMT
#456
On August 12 2015 02:58 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2015 11:23 Trfel wrote:
I know this sounds really stupid, but...

Rsoultin seems a bit towny here. Her opening post felt relaxed, and more importantly, happy to be in the game. Given that rsoultin really doesn't like playing scum, has played scum frequently in her last several games, and had a very frustrating game as town that ended earlier today (despite the game being a victory), it's hard for me to see her actually being happy as mafia this early on in the game.

I hope I'm not making the same mistake yet again T.T


I noticed a couple of people finding fault with this read. I agree that RS's opening posts are enthusiastic, and though I don't know if the rest is true ("Given that rsoultin really doesn't like playing scum"), no one has contradicted this yet, including RS, that I have seen.


Show nested quote +
On August 11 2015 15:51 ruXxar wrote:
Hello team.
My name is ruxxy and I'm a hurricane *whoosh*.
Also am town ^^


Show nested quote +
On August 11 2015 18:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm also claiming Millderer.


Show nested quote +
On August 11 2015 18:02 Palmar wrote:
hey guys I rolled town so pls no lyncherino

not decided yet if I'm going to do things.


I dislike these kind of posts. I don't think they are a tell either way, but I just find them tacky. Yes this is a rant, and is mostly just filler

Show nested quote +
On August 11 2015 22:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi! I don't like Trfel and my hurricane name is a GIRLS name. Both of those statements make me SOOOOOO angry.


However this I really don't like. I understand the whole WIFOM thing, but really we want to limit this sort of information as much as possible. I don't see how it benefits us, whether its a lie or not.



On August 12 2015 06:10 deconduo wrote:
Even with everyone jumping on ruxx, I don't see anything jump out at me reading through his filter. The mixup looks to be genuine.


Where has the post gone that you disliked son?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 11 2015 21:27 GMT
#457
EBWOP: I am sorry you can change that 36 hours into 50+ hours.
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deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
August 11 2015 21:27 GMT
#458
On August 12 2015 06:26 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2015 02:58 deconduo wrote:
On August 11 2015 11:23 Trfel wrote:
I know this sounds really stupid, but...

Rsoultin seems a bit towny here. Her opening post felt relaxed, and more importantly, happy to be in the game. Given that rsoultin really doesn't like playing scum, has played scum frequently in her last several games, and had a very frustrating game as town that ended earlier today (despite the game being a victory), it's hard for me to see her actually being happy as mafia this early on in the game.

I hope I'm not making the same mistake yet again T.T


I noticed a couple of people finding fault with this read. I agree that RS's opening posts are enthusiastic, and though I don't know if the rest is true ("Given that rsoultin really doesn't like playing scum"), no one has contradicted this yet, including RS, that I have seen.


On August 11 2015 15:51 ruXxar wrote:
Hello team.
My name is ruxxy and I'm a hurricane *whoosh*.
Also am town ^^


On August 11 2015 18:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm also claiming Millderer.


On August 11 2015 18:02 Palmar wrote:
hey guys I rolled town so pls no lyncherino

not decided yet if I'm going to do things.


I dislike these kind of posts. I don't think they are a tell either way, but I just find them tacky. Yes this is a rant, and is mostly just filler

On August 11 2015 22:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi! I don't like Trfel and my hurricane name is a GIRLS name. Both of those statements make me SOOOOOO angry.


However this I really don't like. I understand the whole WIFOM thing, but really we want to limit this sort of information as much as possible. I don't see how it benefits us, whether its a lie or not.



Show nested quote +
On August 12 2015 06:10 deconduo wrote:
Even with everyone jumping on ruxx, I don't see anything jump out at me reading through his filter. The mixup looks to be genuine.


Where has the post gone that you disliked son?


I dislike these kind of posts. I don't think they are a tell either way, but I just find them tacky.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
August 11 2015 21:30 GMT
#459
On August 12 2015 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2015 05:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I think VE might be mafia. First reason is:
On August 12 2015 01:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh I wanted to be the very first to throw scum on Artanis just for being good at being scum. He's scary as fuck and if he lives longer than 3 days we kill him no questions period k? Thx.

I don't recall VE being someone that fearmongers this much. I'm far from the best mafia player around as well. I've had two good mafia games and the rest have been washes. It also achieves scum objectives in the sense that it throws suspicion on me without actually quantifying it with anything. Vivax did something similar, but he's Vivax.

Secondly, he clearly wasn't reading the thread.
On August 12 2015 01:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
The real question is: why isn't anyone else suspicious of Trfel if he's NOT mafia. That's the real question.

Plenty of people indicated townreads on Trfel at that point, and I had called his play suspicious as well before coming back to it later.

Fine:

1) VE jsut had a game where he wanted to kill the shit out of me because he felt like i was "pocketing him again" as he had townread me when i was scum for two games in a row. You can call that "fearmongering", i call this "similar approach".

2) There are several instances where VE has not been reading the thread properly, like in the last game he wanted to kill me 36h later i had already flipped.

case closed?
Here is game: http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=1994

I'm not reading an entire game but I'll take your word for it.
##Unvote
I'll try rereading Ruxxar again but I really don't think he's scum still.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 11 2015 21:30 GMT
#460
Vivax can you explain these people why ruxxar is mafia because i am apparently incapable of doing so, Palmar doesn't give any fucks, rsoultin idk, Artanis does not read. I don't know who else to go to.
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