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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
August 16 2015 16:20 GMT
#2201
lol that advice is how i win my scum games paaaaalmar
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
August 16 2015 16:22 GMT
#2202
On August 17 2015 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2015 01:16 rsoultin wrote:
On August 17 2015 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like are all the people who are not on prplhz at this point unallowed to vote for Trfel?
Or is the first one to do that scummy just because "hey deadlocking people is scummy as no-lynch"?


i'm confused -_-

your and damdred's argument is that vivax is scummy because he made the vote into 5-5.
It does not make any sense because what is vivax supposed to do if he thinks Trfel is mafia and prplhz is not.
Like he cannot vote? You just made that argument.

What is the townie move for Vivax in the situation where Trfel is at (4) and prplhz is at (5) and he thinks Trfel is mafia? Tell me.


-_-

yes my argument is viva is scummy when i'm townreading him

good job, rayn

i said it looked bad for that reason
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 16 2015 16:23 GMT
#2203
On August 17 2015 01:20 rsoultin wrote:
lol that advice is how i win my scum games paaaaalmar

We almost lost last game by not doing this

Same in noir. Almost lost because tinfoil and overthinking when mafia was right there
Computer says mafia
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
August 16 2015 16:25 GMT
#2204
-shrugs-

okay i'll give you that. i tend to think people play mafia the way i do and it's very clear that's usually not the case...it's why i catch the people others don't lol ><
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 16 2015 16:26 GMT
#2205
I appreciate the advice palmar but just read it and give me opinions please on what I wrote.

And rayn I'm,not arguing vivax is scummy, I'm saying forcing a no lynch is scummy but vivax put us in the position for chez to hammer scum.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 16 2015 16:28 GMT
#2206
And sorta have to start thinking tinfoil as we really don't have inactives besides prp who was counter wagon to godfather so idk
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
August 16 2015 16:40 GMT
#2207
On August 17 2015 00:08 Damdred wrote:
I'll throw one quote in here to make a point and then everything else you have to start fact checking as its mostly from,memory.

So early on I had a town read on attains just for genera activity and,how,he handled the game to a point. Everything was fine there was this point when I had this eh feeling and that first moment was when art came,out of,no,where and,hard town read Ruxx.

Ruxx early is super hard to town read if you haven't really experienced his town gamer in action but Art shows no hesitation but is willing to sheep rayn on almost anyone else. Ita a really strange hard read when ruxx wasn't making sense at that point.

Now,moving on the next thing that bothered me,was how,he eliminated condor from his lynch pool. He just asked him to,be useful,and do things and he hadn't really done anything of note to that point. But he ignores him up until this post,

Show nested quote +
On August 13 2015 06:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Guys, I think I want to lynch the condor. I just made this after digging through everyone's filter in the most rapid tempo I could (you might need to doubleclick to see it):
[image loading]
And I've noticed that besides me, no one actually has a townread on Deconduo, a bunch of people have scumreads yet he has no votes. I also went through his filter again in this process and found that he hasn't really given many original thoughts at all other than setup related. I think that makes it pretty likely for him to be scum, since someone would've pushed him by now if he wasn't, especially with a lack of organisation.
##Unvote
##Vote Deconduo


Read it, I didn't really pay,much attention to,this post. Art admits to still having a town read on condor but insist that because no one else town reads him it's worth a vote. Tay has better reasoning Han that and that's just bad. And look at the timing people aren't sure I'd they want to lynch hopeless and we are thinking and art shows up with easy target condor.

So we lynch condor and move into the night, travel had a suspicion on art and I asked him early that day if he would,of lynched art but never acts on it and basically forgets about,the read on art during that day voting with him. And never questioning him past that point fixing him light suspicion.

Now fast forward towards the chez/prp/travel

Art is fine with lynching,chez. Jumps to,travel,with everyone sleeping a good post by rayn but the first sign of a jump to prp he follows and it is only after rayn threatens him with a d4 lynch he jumps back and refuses to move.

Now art is using a Poe that could,potentially lose the game, is only co,tent with pushing scum on myself and Rs without evaluating the rest of,the game,like he,normally would. He also pushes Rs almost into a tilt,instead of trying to get her to work with him and prove he's town.

Really aggro.

I think,it a a food,chance he's scum.

And sorry if,it's hard to read on phone.


I agree the hard town read felt off. (Sorry artie, it still felt that way even if you explained why you did it).
Also, him townreading condor and then voting for him is really strange.

I don't understand arties logic of "if many people call someone scum but dont vote for him hes scum"?

I think its quite the opposite.
If a lot of people call someone scum but noone votes for him, chances are the guy being spewed scum is actually town and scum are afraid to lead the lynch on him.

So to me that whole line of logic doesnt make sense.

If artie could explain in more detail what he meant by that logic for calling condor scum id be really happy.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 16 2015 18:09 GMT
#2208
Game died a bit. Someone talk to me
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
August 16 2015 18:11 GMT
#2209
dunno if i have to post during night phase
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 16 2015 19:48 GMT
#2210
On August 17 2015 01:25 rsoultin wrote:
...it's why i catch the people others don't lol ><

Aka the townies
Computer says mafia
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
August 16 2015 20:33 GMT
#2211
So who is the mafia right there Palmar? Still Damdred?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 16 2015 20:54 GMT
#2212
Vivax read what I posted at least and comment on it. Pretty sure I'm,right
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
August 16 2015 21:17 GMT
#2213
On August 17 2015 00:08 Damdred wrote:
I'll throw one quote in here to make a point and then everything else you have to start fact checking as its mostly from,memory.

So early on I had a town read on attains just for genera activity and,how,he handled the game to a point. Everything was fine there was this point when I had this eh feeling and that first moment was when art came,out of,no,where and,hard town read Ruxx.

Ruxx early is super hard to town read if you haven't really experienced his town gamer in action but Art shows no hesitation but is willing to sheep rayn on almost anyone else. Ita a really strange hard read when ruxx wasn't making sense at that point.

His. Play. Didn't. Make. Any. Sense. For. Scum. This is not how scum act. I'm sorry that I'm good I guess? You can lynch me for that but you'll have to erect a statue for me afterwards telling the world how I died for your sins of not being as good as me.

Now,moving on the next thing that bothered me,was how,he eliminated condor from his lynch pool. He just asked him to,be useful,and do things and he hadn't really done anything of note to that point. But he ignores him up until this post,

Show nested quote +
On August 13 2015 06:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Guys, I think I want to lynch the condor. I just made this after digging through everyone's filter in the most rapid tempo I could (you might need to doubleclick to see it):
[image loading]
And I've noticed that besides me, no one actually has a townread on Deconduo, a bunch of people have scumreads yet he has no votes. I also went through his filter again in this process and found that he hasn't really given many original thoughts at all other than setup related. I think that makes it pretty likely for him to be scum, since someone would've pushed him by now if he wasn't, especially with a lack of organisation.
##Unvote
##Vote Deconduo


Read it, I didn't really pay,much attention to,this post. Art admits to still having a town read on condor but insist that because no one else town reads him it's worth a vote. Tay has better reasoning Han that and that's just bad. And look at the timing people aren't sure I'd they want to lynch hopeless and we are thinking and art shows up with easy target condor.

I wanted to pull a Ver, basically. I've heard Ver talk about reading between the lines and that's what I tried to do right there. I felt that everyone softpushing Decon but with a wagon failing to come out of the ground I figured he was likely to be scum because of general thread sentiment. Apparently, I misapplied it.

Furthermore, if you think as scum I make a spreadsheet of everyone's reads, indicate myself as green on Deconduo and THEN try to get a wagon started on him I don't know what to say. Yell WIFOM all you want, it's just suicidal to do as scum.
So we lynch condor and move into the night, travel had a suspicion on art and I asked him early that day if he would,of lynched art but never acts on it and basically forgets about,the read on art during that day voting with him. And never questioning him past that point fixing him light suspicion.

Can't really comment on Trfel's actions. I can read through them again though.

Now fast forward towards the chez/prp/travel

Art is fine with lynching,chez. Jumps to,travel,with everyone sleeping a good post by rayn but the first sign of a jump to prp he follows and it is only after rayn threatens him with a d4 lynch he jumps back and refuses to move.

I was consistently doubting all the way before going to bed. I could easily have switched to prp and gotten away with it. I don't play for the long game since I fucking hate playing scum. I would've saved Trfel all day every day and you can call wifom on that as you like but it's true.

Now art is using a Poe that could,potentially lose the game, is only co,tent with pushing scum on myself and Rs without evaluating the rest of,the game,like he,normally would. He also pushes Rs almost into a tilt,instead of trying to get her to work with him and prove he's town.

Really aggro.

I think,it a a food,chance he's scum.

And sorry if,it's hard to read on phone.

I wanted to go through everyone with Rayn but Rayn wanted to focus on just the people I think are mafia, and so I did. Eh. I think one of you and Rsoul is likely mafia. I actually changed my mind about Vivax being so certainly town because his vote as mentioned did bring things into a tiebreaker and he's been very absent the last few days. It's possible he's scum too. I don't think anyone else is.

As for pushing Rsoul, I still think she's the most likely to flip scum. Besides, she's an r-soul so there's a certain enjoyment in pushing her anyway.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 16 2015 21:33 GMT
#2214
You were third to the party on town reading ruxx though so,no no statue this time.

This part doesn't make sense you hard town read Rux so,he doesn't get lynched because his play doesn't keep sense,etc. But then you still start a wagon on town,because of,thread sentiment? I don't believe it when,ruxx had thread sentiment,and you did the opposite.

Don't lie about the long game, in imperial you played for,the super,long game and our dead in the water team,mates we hit them with a huge bus.

Rs is town I believe and she will probably be lynched here hut your actions don't make a lot of,sense. And vivax vote matters less than its being,made out to,be since we had a decent amount of,time to make a lynch still
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
August 16 2015 21:38 GMT
#2215
On August 17 2015 06:33 Damdred wrote:
You were third to the party on town reading ruxx though so,no no statue this time.

This part doesn't make sense you hard town read Rux so,he doesn't get lynched because his play doesn't keep sense,etc. But then you still start a wagon on town,because of,thread sentiment? I don't believe it when,ruxx had thread sentiment,and you did the opposite.

Don't lie about the long game, in imperial you played for,the super,long game and our dead in the water team,mates we hit them with a huge bus.

Rs is town I believe and she will probably be lynched here hut your actions don't make a lot of,sense. And vivax vote matters less than its being,made out to,be since we had a decent amount of,time to make a lynch still

I'm pretty sure I was the first to be so vocal about it though, and for the right reasons.

Because people actually tried to lynch Ruxx, which never happened for Deconduo until I did it.

Trfel wasn't dead in the water and I wasn't the sole player there. Both you and Marv were around and I really didn't want to bus either one of you. I mass spammed marv to keep trying.

Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
August 16 2015 21:39 GMT
#2216
Like there was literally no way not to bus Superbia/Ritoky, if there WAS a way I would've probably tried for it and we even extended both their deaths by one day on D2 if I recall correctly. We didn't have a choice.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 16 2015 21:45 GMT
#2217
Well even by your own logic there it can be said that you did try to save hopeless for another day and he just didn't play past there if you are scum.

I give it to you the games are different but I still see some of,the same,things in you here and there.

No matter what way you try to,turn it is that you started a wagon on your to an read for a convoluted reason that looks insanely scum,motivated in retrospect.

And travel was a bit dead in the water meh...a small bit because of lack of cares
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
August 16 2015 21:50 GMT
#2218
On August 17 2015 06:45 Damdred wrote:
Well even by your own logic there it can be said that you did try to save hopeless for another day and he just didn't play past there if you are scum.

I give it to you the games are different but I still see some of,the same,things in you here and there.

No matter what way you try to,turn it is that you started a wagon on your to an read for a convoluted reason that looks insanely scum,motivated in retrospect.

And travel was a bit dead in the water meh...a small bit because of lack of cares

Yes, I hardpushed town over mafia. Yes, I've done that as mafia before. Guess what, I can do it as town too and it doesn't make me mafia by any means. I also think that the way I did it I'd never do as mafia whatsoever precisely because it looks so bad. Yes, you can call WIFOM on that argument but not doing so in the first place is always going to be better than doing it then trying to get towncred by an argument that's just going to be called out as wifom.

Trfel really could've easily been saved another day, and there's no way I wouldn't have if I was mafia. As for the Trfel scumreading me but not pushing me; on D2 he did the same on you. He called out both you, me and Chez iirc and didn't prioritize one or the other.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 16 2015 21:55 GMT
#2219
You didn't just push town over mafia though, being wrong doesn't make you scum. Pushing a town read because of,convoluted reasoning that does have scum,motivation. But if you are scum you had the town cred to do it and,more town cred lynching ark !trfel

Which btw I believe both scum hard town read Rs trfel read her town for,petty bad reasoning what do you think of that
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
August 16 2015 21:57 GMT
#2220
On August 17 2015 06:55 Damdred wrote:
You didn't just push town over mafia though, being wrong doesn't make you scum. Pushing a town read because of,convoluted reasoning that does have scum,motivation. But if you are scum you had the town cred to do it and,more town cred lynching ark !trfel

Which btw I believe both scum hard town read Rs trfel read her town for,petty bad reasoning what do you think of that

I honestly am starting to think you're the mafia because I really don't think you can believe that I'd make that reason up as mafia. Like seriously Dammy, if you're town think about this.
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