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On June 22 2015 00:35 rsoultin wrote:
Okay, for all you people who apparently include hf who don't read the rsoul language
Association made me question my read on gb, yes, but i kept on coming back to thinking he was town based on some tonal things that were absent in his last scumgame where he smurfed
It bugged me, though, cause there were a lot of scummy things going on with the votes surrounding the day one lynch. If you read my lists post, what i was doing was taking a look at people's voting pattern vice where their reads stood and basically judging how realistic it was that they ended up voting where they did. i've done this before with a fair amount of success and it doesn't actually require me to know the alignment of the wagon(s) that hasn't/haven't flipped
most of those "this voting looks fishy" reads surrounded votes on bf that saved gb...or lack of votes. i still thought my toneread was right because i caught him as scum (which no you can't verify) in the game he just smurfed in solely by looking at his filter for a few minutes using that same toneread
hf mentioned game of thrones, however. i wanted to see this shitfight he referred to, cause all the evidence was suggesting my toneread was wrong
not only does glowingbear's filter bounce around similarly to how it is here (negating my toneread entirely) but it also did a few things that made me feel uneasy
1) it focused on scummy lurkers, same as here - i've seen gb go after hf and marv d1 fuck the consequences, so he's not one of those let's play d1 safe kind of players; he goes for whoever he's scumreading and doesn't give a shit
2) this reminded me (yes i have a brain like this) that his defense in mafia mini mafia ALSO focused a lot on the WHY would i do this as scum defense rather than how he treated my case on him in carol, which was basically "not gonna read that shit cause it's all wrong since i'm town" <- marv actually criticized the whole "why would scum do this" line of reasoning/defense in obs in mafia mini mafia2 which is why it stuck in my head
so basically i'm scumreading him for four reasons if we get right down to it:
1. my initial toneread is demonstrably wrong given game of thrones
2. the lurker thing is eerily similar
3. how he is defending himself this game
4. the fact that the lynch really doesn't make much sense if he's town, which is why i put the legwork in to see if maybe my read was just wrong in the first place
does everyone get it now? if you read my filter all of these things were mentioned but probably not explained thoroughly cause i tend to lol...i dunnae post like i think rather than be particularly explanatory
Okay, for all you people who apparently include hf who don't read the rsoul language
Association made me question my read on gb, yes, but i kept on coming back to thinking he was town based on some tonal things that were absent in his last scumgame where he smurfed
It bugged me, though, cause there were a lot of scummy things going on with the votes surrounding the day one lynch. If you read my lists post, what i was doing was taking a look at people's voting pattern vice where their reads stood and basically judging how realistic it was that they ended up voting where they did. i've done this before with a fair amount of success and it doesn't actually require me to know the alignment of the wagon(s) that hasn't/haven't flipped
most of those "this voting looks fishy" reads surrounded votes on bf that saved gb...or lack of votes. i still thought my toneread was right because i caught him as scum (which no you can't verify) in the game he just smurfed in solely by looking at his filter for a few minutes using that same toneread
hf mentioned game of thrones, however. i wanted to see this shitfight he referred to, cause all the evidence was suggesting my toneread was wrong
not only does glowingbear's filter bounce around similarly to how it is here (negating my toneread entirely) but it also did a few things that made me feel uneasy
1) it focused on scummy lurkers, same as here - i've seen gb go after hf and marv d1 fuck the consequences, so he's not one of those let's play d1 safe kind of players; he goes for whoever he's scumreading and doesn't give a shit
2) this reminded me (yes i have a brain like this) that his defense in mafia mini mafia ALSO focused a lot on the WHY would i do this as scum defense rather than how he treated my case on him in carol, which was basically "not gonna read that shit cause it's all wrong since i'm town" <- marv actually criticized the whole "why would scum do this" line of reasoning/defense in obs in mafia mini mafia2 which is why it stuck in my head
so basically i'm scumreading him for four reasons if we get right down to it:
1. my initial toneread is demonstrably wrong given game of thrones
2. the lurker thing is eerily similar
3. how he is defending himself this game
4. the fact that the lynch really doesn't make much sense if he's town, which is why i put the legwork in to see if maybe my read was just wrong in the first place
does everyone get it now? if you read my filter all of these things were mentioned but probably not explained thoroughly cause i tend to lol...i dunnae post like i think rather than be particularly explanatory
On June 17 2015 12:53 rsoultin wrote:
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good lord i don't feel like dealing with this today -_-
fine
1. the LS read - i get him wrong a lot. that i said he was town at all this game toward the beginning was anything BUT a responsibility deflection. i simply gave it the weight it deserved. if i'm not good at reading him, i don't want people taking my read on him as gospel, but it IS the way i'm reading him right now
2. the damdred read - i feel that my toneread on damdred based on the fluidity of his posts is good enough. you do not. enough said. i stand by that read
3. the five townreads - reading my filter you would find that i've given reads on ls/damdred and have not on the other three. i refused to give a reason for fidei. no one bothered to ask about anyone else. i was being facetious since i was already being accused of not having a reason for one of the players that i did have a reason on
breshke - we think ridiculously alike when he's town. the fact that he's saying things that already resonate with me plus knows exactly what i'm talking about while being obscure means he is most likely town. breshke is slow to make reads but his posts are especially insightful. i love playing with him
gb - he has a tendency of going every which way as town. he knows that he does this (but i doubt he can help himself...and know that he's bad at replicating it as scum) the longer the thread went on, the more difficulty he seemed to have focusing on just one thing. while he can tunnel as town, i've only seen this level of disorganization from town gb
ls - the read basically mimics damdy's so i felt no need to repeat it
damdy - his style is interesting. he used to not post much and just come in with a case on a scumread late in the day phase, but he got pushed so often for it (and he gets highly frustrated at being scumread as town) so then he started offering weaker reads early. if you actually cared to look at the game i linked, he came in with an immediate scumread on team mate gb in that game, to the exclusion of pretty much all else, and even made the mistake of townreading someone for reaching the same conclusion as him with completely opposite reasoning. and yes, to me his posting seemed very stiff. i was scumreading him most of d1/n1 until i derped like an hour before i was nk'd -_-
my reads are because i know the players. meta-wise and tone-wise. it's personal to me, and no, i don't expect everyone else to get it, nor is there a real need to overexplain townreads when they're not getting lynched unless stubborn people keep insisting on it
next time ask -_- if it's not repeating myself i'm usually very forthright
as for VA...i've seen what he's capable of, but i also know how lazy he can be so i'm hesitant to vote him. he's scummy and being useless with the posts going nowhere and the opportunistic vote on a townie (assuming it made it to the vote thread) however i wouldn't put it past him to just want to lynch me for getting him mislynched last game as scum >>
the reasons i don't like hf are in the thread. he says it's a shit metaread, and on the surface perhaps it is. however it is undeniable that a scum hf tends to have very shallow reasons for scumreading people and be less forceful/proactive. there may or may not be another reason i distrust him right now
i also feel that ksc's posting is off, but i'm not as familiar with him. if he's not masons with hf, there was absolutely no reason to townread hf at the point where he said he'd just sheep whatever hf did. i don't like that any more than i like his push on ls based on reasons that don't make ls scum
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On June 17 2015 12:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
1. The responsibility deflection was the first thing that caught my eye-rsoultin's first post in the game in which her comment on LS came off to me like she didn't want to commit too strongly one way or another on LS because doing so would cement her in that position. It's something I find scum do so they can give off the air that they have reads but in reality they are setting themselves up for the possibility of swinging the other way later.
In this post she comments on several players but none of the reasons are very specific at all. I would be interested in knowing what this apparent metaread on onegu is now but I doubt she'll give anything forth given how hard she fought not to provide any reasons for the damdred read. A lot of these things come across as faked, or they are just surface-level things like the "lol so angry rit" which really doesn't do anything except give us the impression that rsoultin is doing something.
there's also this post:
The bolded to me is very interesting because it shows that she cares about how her reads come off. As a townie you know if you haven't explained something and if you list a read without an explanation you can just explain it when someone asks you. In fact this is a fairly good thing to do and lots of people do it all the time. However here it is as if she is anticipating someone asking her for an explanation and this is her way of shadowing that she will not explain them. What town motivation does a player have for doing that?
Finally her responses to me when I tried to get her to elucidate the LS and damdred reads were both literal rehashes of her original post, and that brings me to point #2
2. Despite the amount of times she has posted, she continues to go in circles and doesn't actually progress anywhere.
So for example she says this:
So here she says she doesn't generally qualify her tonereads because they apparently mean nothing to anyone but her...
First of all, if that's true, why would she ever bother putting a toneread in the thread if it doesn't mean anything to anyone but her? That's basically admitting she's only doing it for brownie points.
Later, the best part is that she says this:
Let's see that side by side:
The best part is that she admits that she doesn't qualify her tonereads because they don't mean anything to anyone except her. This is first of all an excuse in itself for not providing a reason in the first place, and it doesn't make sense because if the read doesn't mean anything to anyone then why post it all?
Secondly she goes ahead and does "explain" it which I don't know how you can call it that. It's literally saying "I think he is town because he sounds town."
Then later she says "didn't I explain my toneread?" No, she copped out of explaining it. When I demanded an example she just dumped a link to a game instead of actually making any sort of effort to prove that she legitimately believed what she said she did.
and then there's this
Which again is a rehash of what she said earlier about me not reading...okay, fine, but as you can see in the post I just quoted, she literally doesn't have any reads!
She said herself that she has five townreads, the following people:
BUT that everything else is "leans" and not all of these are strong. She also admitted that she didn't explain (at least some) of these reads. Sounds to me like she doesn't have any reads.
So how exactly am I failing to read her here? She simply says that to discredit me. Townies don't do that and they don't contradict themselves so blatantly or misrepresent themselves either.
1. The responsibility deflection was the first thing that caught my eye-rsoultin's first post in the game in which her comment on LS came off to me like she didn't want to commit too strongly one way or another on LS because doing so would cement her in that position. It's something I find scum do so they can give off the air that they have reads but in reality they are setting themselves up for the possibility of swinging the other way later.
yay! i feel safer when others do it too, though! \o/In this post she comments on several players but none of the reasons are very specific at all. I would be interested in knowing what this apparent metaread on onegu is now but I doubt she'll give anything forth given how hard she fought not to provide any reasons for the damdred read. A lot of these things come across as faked, or they are just surface-level things like the "lol so angry rit" which really doesn't do anything except give us the impression that rsoultin is doing something.
there's also this post:
The bolded to me is very interesting because it shows that she cares about how her reads come off. As a townie you know if you haven't explained something and if you list a read without an explanation you can just explain it when someone asks you. In fact this is a fairly good thing to do and lots of people do it all the time. However here it is as if she is anticipating someone asking her for an explanation and this is her way of shadowing that she will not explain them. What town motivation does a player have for doing that?
Finally her responses to me when I tried to get her to elucidate the LS and damdred reads were both literal rehashes of her original post, and that brings me to point #2
2. Despite the amount of times she has posted, she continues to go in circles and doesn't actually progress anywhere.
So for example she says this:
So here she says she doesn't generally qualify her tonereads because they apparently mean nothing to anyone but her...
First of all, if that's true, why would she ever bother putting a toneread in the thread if it doesn't mean anything to anyone but her? That's basically admitting she's only doing it for brownie points.
Later, the best part is that she says this:
Let's see that side by side:
The best part is that she admits that she doesn't qualify her tonereads because they don't mean anything to anyone except her. This is first of all an excuse in itself for not providing a reason in the first place, and it doesn't make sense because if the read doesn't mean anything to anyone then why post it all?
Secondly she goes ahead and does "explain" it which I don't know how you can call it that. It's literally saying "I think he is town because he sounds town."
Then later she says "didn't I explain my toneread?" No, she copped out of explaining it. When I demanded an example she just dumped a link to a game instead of actually making any sort of effort to prove that she legitimately believed what she said she did.
and then there's this
Which again is a rehash of what she said earlier about me not reading...okay, fine, but as you can see in the post I just quoted, she literally doesn't have any reads!
She said herself that she has five townreads, the following people:
BUT that everything else is "leans" and not all of these are strong. She also admitted that she didn't explain (at least some) of these reads. Sounds to me like she doesn't have any reads.
So how exactly am I failing to read her here? She simply says that to discredit me. Townies don't do that and they don't contradict themselves so blatantly or misrepresent themselves either.
good lord i don't feel like dealing with this today -_-
fine
1. the LS read - i get him wrong a lot. that i said he was town at all this game toward the beginning was anything BUT a responsibility deflection. i simply gave it the weight it deserved. if i'm not good at reading him, i don't want people taking my read on him as gospel, but it IS the way i'm reading him right now
2. the damdred read - i feel that my toneread on damdred based on the fluidity of his posts is good enough. you do not. enough said. i stand by that read
3. the five townreads - reading my filter you would find that i've given reads on ls/damdred and have not on the other three. i refused to give a reason for fidei. no one bothered to ask about anyone else. i was being facetious since i was already being accused of not having a reason for one of the players that i did have a reason on
breshke - we think ridiculously alike when he's town. the fact that he's saying things that already resonate with me plus knows exactly what i'm talking about while being obscure means he is most likely town. breshke is slow to make reads but his posts are especially insightful. i love playing with him
gb - he has a tendency of going every which way as town. he knows that he does this (but i doubt he can help himself...and know that he's bad at replicating it as scum) the longer the thread went on, the more difficulty he seemed to have focusing on just one thing. while he can tunnel as town, i've only seen this level of disorganization from town gb
ls - the read basically mimics damdy's so i felt no need to repeat it
damdy - his style is interesting. he used to not post much and just come in with a case on a scumread late in the day phase, but he got pushed so often for it (and he gets highly frustrated at being scumread as town) so then he started offering weaker reads early. if you actually cared to look at the game i linked, he came in with an immediate scumread on team mate gb in that game, to the exclusion of pretty much all else, and even made the mistake of townreading someone for reaching the same conclusion as him with completely opposite reasoning. and yes, to me his posting seemed very stiff. i was scumreading him most of d1/n1 until i derped like an hour before i was nk'd -_-
my reads are because i know the players. meta-wise and tone-wise. it's personal to me, and no, i don't expect everyone else to get it, nor is there a real need to overexplain townreads when they're not getting lynched unless stubborn people keep insisting on it
next time ask -_- if it's not repeating myself i'm usually very forthright
as for VA...i've seen what he's capable of, but i also know how lazy he can be so i'm hesitant to vote him. he's scummy and being useless with the posts going nowhere and the opportunistic vote on a townie (assuming it made it to the vote thread) however i wouldn't put it past him to just want to lynch me for getting him mislynched last game as scum >>
the reasons i don't like hf are in the thread. he says it's a shit metaread, and on the surface perhaps it is. however it is undeniable that a scum hf tends to have very shallow reasons for scumreading people and be less forceful/proactive. there may or may not be another reason i distrust him right now
i also feel that ksc's posting is off, but i'm not as familiar with him. if he's not masons with hf, there was absolutely no reason to townread hf at the point where he said he'd just sheep whatever hf did. i don't like that any more than i like his push on ls based on reasons that don't make ls scum
On June 25 2015 13:11 rsoultin wrote:
Fidei and I are town
LS still firmly town by not an asshole rule
VA is invisible to me
Mig is scum. Lynch him. The likelihood that he isn't is so infinitesimal here and this guessing game bs he's trying to sell is ridiculous.
Assuming mig is scum cause if he's not game over anyway -_- holyflare very likely scum. Scum play like that makes little sense otherwise. mig can move his vote to keep HF the lynch even if the missing players miraculously turn back up
the remaining five are irritating
i want to read nyd and damdy town on tone and apparently my tone thing is worth paying fucking attention to
ruxx was doing the "don't know what was going on" thing around eod, saying should he trust townread gb or scumreads va and mig? like, what? that looks quite a bit like he's gearing up to switch over if he has to, cause that makes no earthly sense
(i still maintain bugs hyper tunneling three towns d1 including one that he was STILL hyper tunneling gb through n1 is probably not going to be your nk...but here's the real kicker. ruxxar, a newbie, replaced in FOUR HOURS before the Day 2 post. and we're going with the ruxx was the mafia nk theory? ROFL)
i'd actually probably even lynch ruxx before hf in this circumstance, to be frank
also not really seeing much from shock other than just tunneling ls and gb so eh
so my issue with oneg is that some of his reactions/analysis has been weird...i wish i had examples at the moment but the instavote on me for instance but not responding to the hf red check the same way? what?
so i'm kinda torn between him and shock, honestly, and regardless there's still plenty of time to figure it out
mig/ruxx/hf/shock or oneg?
Fidei and I are town
LS still firmly town by not an asshole rule
VA is invisible to me
Mig is scum. Lynch him. The likelihood that he isn't is so infinitesimal here and this guessing game bs he's trying to sell is ridiculous.
Assuming mig is scum cause if he's not game over anyway -_- holyflare very likely scum. Scum play like that makes little sense otherwise. mig can move his vote to keep HF the lynch even if the missing players miraculously turn back up
the remaining five are irritating
i want to read nyd and damdy town on tone and apparently my tone thing is worth paying fucking attention to
ruxx was doing the "don't know what was going on" thing around eod, saying should he trust townread gb or scumreads va and mig? like, what? that looks quite a bit like he's gearing up to switch over if he has to, cause that makes no earthly sense
(i still maintain bugs hyper tunneling three towns d1 including one that he was STILL hyper tunneling gb through n1 is probably not going to be your nk...but here's the real kicker. ruxxar, a newbie, replaced in FOUR HOURS before the Day 2 post. and we're going with the ruxx was the mafia nk theory? ROFL)
i'd actually probably even lynch ruxx before hf in this circumstance, to be frank
also not really seeing much from shock other than just tunneling ls and gb so eh
so my issue with oneg is that some of his reactions/analysis has been weird...i wish i had examples at the moment but the instavote on me for instance but not responding to the hf red check the same way? what?
so i'm kinda torn between him and shock, honestly, and regardless there's still plenty of time to figure it out
mig/ruxx/hf/shock or oneg?
This is your townplay. Especially the last post. The last post is honestly the best post i have almost ever read in any fucking mafia game ever (not counting my D2 post in Titanic VII because i am an egomaniac bastard dealwithit). Why are you not playing like this? why?
It doesn't make any sense to me in case you are town. You just fucking give up when you have been wrong and go shitfighting with Artanis. You are not thinking clearly. Because right now you are the biggest suspect in the game, just because you haven't done anything in this game readwise. Can you not see this? You really haven't.
If you are town, clear your head. Then come up with some ACTUAL reads, with ACTUAL reasoning. Explain yourself, do not get fucking lynched, because if you are you are throwing. I don't want you to throw the game if you are town. I want to win, and i know you want to win aswell.
So, please. Pretty please.
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