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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 26 2015 22:55 GMT
#741
On July 27 2015 07:49 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 07:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I think I'm just going to chill for a bit and rethink things.

I'm trying to solve everything at once and it's probably not necessary. Lynching off the FT wagon is probably the best course of action.

There is exactly 1 mafia on the wagon and 1 off it.

Or maybe not.

But i wouldn't be surprised.


10/10
Stellar analysis.
Retired.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 26 2015 23:01 GMT
#742
Ok I think I probably want to look at these people tomorrow

boxerfred, GB, Palmar, hopeless

I can go into more details soon but that's what I got reading through the game again.
Zerg for Life
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
July 26 2015 23:02 GMT
#743
On July 27 2015 08:01 KelsierSC wrote:
Ok I think I probably want to look at these people tomorrow

boxerfred, GB, Palmar, hopeless

I can go into more details soon but that's what I got reading through the game again.



You forgot rsoul
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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 26 2015 23:13 GMT
#744
yeah, no

if i'm scum here not hammering scum or (presumably?) attempting to save him by voting scott, i'm an imbecile

honestly, i just didn't realize that everyone was on scott or whatsisface ft or whatever, or i probably would have voted ft and you'd have an actual argument, oneg lol ><

ftr i still think clarity is mafia ^^
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 26 2015 23:15 GMT
#745
yeh the no vote count and no mod communication was a bit irritating
Zerg for Life
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 26 2015 23:16 GMT
#746
On July 27 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
yeh the no vote count and no mod communication was a bit irritating


don't mind nearly as much when we end up lynching scum xP but ye, it was confusing -_-
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
July 26 2015 23:20 GMT
#747
@GB if you pretend I am town, who are the other two mafia?
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 26 2015 23:26 GMT
#748
On July 27 2015 08:20 scott31337 wrote:
@GB if you pretend I am town, who are the other two mafia?


If you're town I think we should go against Clarity

Clarity because he does look scummy and his flip will be very informational.

Then maybe boxer cause his play is very uninspiring

But yeah, clarity.
I'm adorable.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 27 2015 01:50 GMT
#749
I am so fucking good.
table for two on a tv tray
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
July 27 2015 01:58 GMT
#750
Do you think GB is town?
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 27 2015 02:50 GMT
#751
Anyway, to the cop, if there is one.

Best check is clarity. Second best is rsoultin.

Bye.
I'm adorable.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 27 2015 03:24 GMT
#752
eh, no worries xP by the end of the night phase anyone still reading me scum is flatout retarded ^^ though if y'all need a cop check on me to cure your retardation more than a null or hard-to-read player like clarity, bf, scott, hopeless, more power to you for wasting the check, i suppose?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
July 27 2015 03:38 GMT
#753
cop check rsoul
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 27 2015 04:14 GMT
#754
Clarity is an objectively bad cop check.
:/
Retired.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 27 2015 04:15 GMT
#755
Rsoultin is mafia.
table for two on a tv tray
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 27 2015 04:15 GMT
#756
Rso is a better check.
So is snickers.

But clarity should just be shot or something if he's not even going to play.
Retired.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 27 2015 05:30 GMT
#757
80/80

okay, this is literally my last post of the cycle :/ i'm really bad at this post management thing

never lynch rayn (yeah i know that people prob wouldn't anyway but whatever). he started the ft train and pushed the hell out of it awfully early...even if i wasn't already townreading him, i don't see him bussing an active scummate like this d1...he's a busser but not in this situation lol ><

ksc is nearly as strong a townread. he actually started the pressure on tofu before rayn did, first by calling him out on the palmar push and then in this post when rayn was still focused on scott:

On July 26 2015 21:14 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2015 18:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why does he say his spreadsheet is shitty?
Why would anyone keep a shitty spreadsheet?

Also why does he say there are scummy voters on Hopeless? Who is scummy on Hopeless?

i am apparently not, so it has to be Clarity. I don't know how he ends up in Clarity being mafia when he is voting for the same person (Hopeless) and Clarity thinks Hopeless is mafia. It doesn't make any sense. It also doesn't make any sense he uses a plural on "voters", because it is impossible he thinks more than one person on Hopeless is mafia.

Unless he is lying about his read on me or his read on himself.


This is a really good post.

Snickers I think you're town and I love the energy you're bringing but Onegu is not the lynch today.

I'd lynch Scott or Tofu.

Scott is partly because of his early play which I questioned him on and I think rayn's point about his spreadsheet is good.

Tofu, his second "push" on palmar felt bad. his secondary scum also felt like he didn't really give a shit "rayn's been quiet"...yeh well it's a post restricted game but rayn had stepped up by that point. Then a throw away bf has a small filter.

I don't like obi either



stupid but wondrously awesome reason at the same time to townread GB, on top of him just acting like his normal townie self (with all the positives and negatives that this entails):
On July 25 2015 11:09 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't think you're playing?

^ seriously doubt GB wifoms this in anticipation of FT's flip...and since the replace was before the game, yeah. no shared QT alert

yeah this snickers read is similar lol >< now, snickers was being kinda crazy around the lynch, granted, but i highly doubt he comes in with this post where he assumed that FT had c/pd his role pm if he were scum. it would have to be coordinated and ye...plus, already townreading him anyway for that paranoid schizo thing i mentioned earlier:

On July 27 2015 05:30 Snickers wrote:
so firm is probably getting modkilled great.

^obviously if snickers knows that FT isn't VT that's not going to be his reaction, unless he's being especially clever (more possible than with GB since the train was pretty strong at this point, but i still doubt it)




moving on to the next tier...

onegu prob town for the claim (snickers is just wrong on this push) and ye, the meta of like just a few reads tunneled into the ground is holding up -_- annoying bugger xP plus another player early on the wagon

ows i looked particularly close at cause i think his comment on clarity being an objectively bad cop check was shit...but yeah he was really strong on the ft lynch as well and noticed something interesting about clarity/ft associations that i'll be pointing out below

scott...this one i can't qualify so well, but of all the people ft pushed (and he did push several) i feel like scott was the one he pushed the strongest as a counterlynch to himself even before the wagons were down to just these two. i also just feel that his posting seems pretty natural this game and the reasons people are calling him scum are all pretty bad


as for palmar...eh i guess i can see him protecting a scumbuddy who did nothing but buss/tunnel him for the beginning of the game, but i don't find it terribly likely. that's an awful lot of interaction/defending and i don't think palmar is that bad? if anyone can fool me it's him, though. his reads early game seemed pretty natural and lined up with mine pretty well though so ye

bf - so...i was actually tempted to put him in null, but tbh i kind of like how his ksc/gb reads kept changing with new information (and it's really the only reason i have him here instead of there, apart from a i just like people reading clarity scum gutfeel that i'm trying to ignore with both him and palmar, only partially successfully)

Null
hopeless - pretty nothing filter and wanted a scott lynch, though there was a little bit of half-decent comments on onegu i guess




Clarity is mafia apart from what i've already said about him, there are these two glorious interactions:

On July 26 2015 05:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2015 02:41 rsoultin wrote:
:/ i disagree with you on both those reads, gb

i've been kinda more hands-off this game as well cause my hands-on game is super spammy. what do you think about the rest of his play?

as for clarity, i don't like him because he has no opinion, just is sheeping, then he demands me for mine on the player he has no opinion on? he complains about no one posting or progressing the thread without progressing the thread. and then he disappears as soon as snickers starts tunneling...it seems like he's posting just to post to me


Pretty much true actually. I've arranged to be around during deadline tomorrow but I won't be around all day and I'm not supposed to be here tonight either. What I don't understand is that instead of just answering my question you antagonize me? You keep saying you're happy to lynch hopeless yet your vote is still unused, I don't get it. I don't agree with Palmar about your opening posts because I know where the joke stems from, but you went from happy go lucky to pissed in the span of like 2 posts although snicker's tunnel was pretty dumb I guess. Not quite sure what's going on with you yet rsoultin, but your townreads seem good so whatever.

Anyway, do not lynch list:
rayn, Palmar, KSC, Snickers (lol), onegu

Mixed feelings about scott. He noted rsoultin was different than gaiden, which I agreed with at the time of his writing, but he mentioned it like THREE times for some reason to really drive home that he HAD A READ while emphasizing that it was only a slight lean.

Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 08:06 scott31337 wrote:
1/75
On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:
It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with.
After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both.

bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me.

scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly

On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far.


considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum?


##Give 5 posts to KelsierSC
If I actually go thru 80 posts in a cycle I would impress myself to be honest.

I know there's three scum - I haven't liked VT claims since my second game, and neither should you - It's not as bad as LS claiming when the breeze blows by is what I was stating.

GB didn't reply that he was my friend, just that he is town - I'm town too but not the response I wanted.

Palmar speaking the truth, he's probably my favorite player next to HF.

Rsoul already seems different this game - could be a good sign.

Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 08:49 scott31337 wrote:
On July 25 2015 08:23 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 25 2015 08:06 scott31337 wrote:
1/75
On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:
It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with.
After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both.

bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me.

scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly

On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far.


considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum?


##Give 5 posts to KelsierSC
If I actually go thru 80 posts in a cycle I would impress myself to be honest.

I know there's three scum - I haven't liked VT claims since my second game, and neither should you - It's not as bad as LS claiming when the breeze blows by is what I was stating.

GB didn't reply that he was my friend, just that he is town - I'm town too but not the response I wanted.

Palmar speaking the truth, he's probably my favorite player next to HF.

Rsoul already seems different this game - could be a good sign.


So just to get this straight, you thought the scummy thing about my post was that I claimed vt?
what does this have to do with LS claiming ?
how is Rsoul "different"?



Yes. What else did you do in that post? I do not see anything else...
The LS thing - It's a bad claim - just like what other people do and have not learned their lesson.
Does that make sense to you?

Rsoul seems happier and called people out quickly unlike her last two scum games. It's only one post, but...

Palmar is one of my favorites as town - blunt, to the point - but if he needs to pull out the stops (the game rayn bussed everybody and Palmar kicked it up d4 to get the win) he will.

I'll be back in a couple hours. (and I can't count my posts for shit either, 1/75 when I posted already doh!)

Granted this one is explaining his read.
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2015 01:20 scott31337 wrote:
On July 25 2015 16:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Last thought before bed:
I want to know why scott gave ksc posts + what his read on ksc is now.

He had this whole bit on not liking ksc's entrance, ksc came back with "you can't find me scummy if you don't find anyone else scummy" (which makes no sense at all) and then scott immediately left him alone and gave him posts.
Made no sense at all.


Not sure how this didn't make any sense - KSC posted about how he had to waste a post on replying to my post and seemed angry about it - so I gave him five posts. Does that make sense?

Rsoul gets a slight townlean for now, her second list is slightly better than the first one I wasn't really caring for though.

Not lynching Rayn today, probably not Onegu either -
Obi's question to me was weird but I don't see any scum motivation for it.

If GB doesn't show up today we can lynch him - Firm and Hopeless are on that list too.


Then he tops it off with his preffered lynches, all the lurkers.


From what I remember firmtofu is massive lynchbait regardless of alignment so I think he makes a better shot than a lynch.

Still liking the hopeless lynch.


So here's my problem with this post. I've got reasons to townread (i didn't expect it to work out this way, but it did, lol ><) pretty much everyone in the game but hopeless and clarity. Here we have clarity "championing" the hopeless wagon and pressuring me in a very incongruous way towards it (incongruous in the sense that he appeared to and still appears to have no real read on hopeless beyond a weak parroting of rayn, instead spending most of his post talking about scott...but oh, scum ft is lynchbait and he'd still lynch hopeless? for being on hopeless and trying to get me to commit, he sure didn't push hard for that lynch)

secondly, we have what obi noted, namely that ft drops clarity's name practically out of the blue when clarity is the other main wagon as being a good lynch without any reasoning. if you look through ft's filter, even though he made it clear he'd lynch clarity, he never actually tried to push him and instead directed more attention to scott/ksc, only voting clarity to save himself

i have another reason that unfortunately i can't really discuss that makes me pretty positive that clarity is mafia, but if these associations, and the clear lack of wanting to push each other are not enough, there's also the simple fact that clarity is doing absolutely nothing to attempt to find scum when i know that he is a much better player than this. even with limited time he should have been able to come up with more than he did instead of voting a player he didn't even bother to really talk about, question or push

TLDR

Strong Townreads
Rayn
KSC
GB
Snickers

Townreads
Onegu
OWS
Scott

Townleans
Palmar
BF

Null
Hopeless

Lynch it with fire!
Clarity

...so ye, i wouldn't be surprised if i'm actually townreading one of the scum cause that's a shit ton more townreads than i expected, but i'd be so happy if i were right lol >< cause that means this is gonna be one hell of an easy game for town -crosses fingers-

post-game cred: ft/clarity/hopeless (can she get the entire scumteam first two games in a row, boys? xP)




eh, reviewing what we got from the lynch, i actually understand why people are so adamant on scumreading me

it's wifomy but i really would have to be retarded not to either jump on the ft lynch or try to get scott lynched instead of just sitting there, so if y'all believe i did that, well... -_- i'll try not to take too much offense at it

without a framer, feel free to cop check me if that helps, then let's lynch clarity! \o/
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 27 2015 05:48 GMT
#758
ows i looked particularly close at cause i think his comment on clarity being an objectively bad cop check was shit


Except he is.
It's really not a hard concept to understand.
Retired.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
July 27 2015 05:53 GMT
#759
## 5 posts to scum Rsoultin
Try TL Mafia!!!
Snickers
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1575 Posts
July 27 2015 05:57 GMT
#760
damn i wish i had more posts to give rso but heres my last and only scum would give me more.

thank god pro onegu got my back
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