EPTOn July 28 2015 04:46 ruXxar wrote:
##Townshield sulfurus
##Townshield sulfurus
And are you voting for anyone?
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On July 28 2015 05:28 disformation wrote: Do we have a decent counterwagon? Lack of countersomethings would be somewhat concerningly. I guess the counterwagons are presently Ticktock and Moosy. There is then some people expressing willingness to lynch Scott, but there aren't any votes there. Some people sounding a bit suspicious of Breshke or myself, but no votes in those places either. It's a bit of a cluster, because the people who agree on not wanting to lynch Sulfurus disagree on who to lynch instead. | ||
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On July 28 2015 05:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am serious i am THIS FUCKING CLOSE tolynch you for your last sentence in this post. Do not consider noobking town please. ...what? There's nothing about me even IN that post. Agree that the last sentence in his post is dumb. What's that got to do with me? | ||
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On July 28 2015 06:07 disformation wrote: *sigh* Okay. Sry, for being pretty useless today. =/ ##unvote Will go to bed now. Looks to me like rayn needs a nap a lot more than you do. On July 28 2015 06:07 disformation wrote: Random note: Breshke is awefully MIA. Yup. | ||
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On July 28 2015 06:57 scott31337 wrote: So Sulf places the fourth vote on Barakos just before this post. This would be a pretty sick bus when this seems like a pretty good post (one of his best so far) - I just don't see the bus yet. The vote count you quoted does not have the votes in the same order they were actually cast. Sulfurus was not the 4th vote on Barakos, he was the 5th. This may not affect your read of him, but I'm just clearing up the confusion. On July 28 2015 06:57 scott31337 wrote: N00b goes to bed and does not vote. I had actually voted long before that. I was the first player to vote, and when moving my vote, I never left it in the "unvote" position. On July 28 2015 06:57 scott31337 wrote:So the n00b vote or NM vote could be a bus - beyond that - I think everyone on that wagon is town. No, Ticktock was right about where the Scum would be, if they are bussing Barakos. So my suspicions of NM have been exclusively about his posts. His vote timing works in his favor. | ||
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3 on Moosy, 3 on Sulfurus, and 2 on Ticktock? Is that right? | ||
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If anyone needs me to rip his post to shreds, let me know. But I can just ignore it if that works better for everyone. | ||
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On July 28 2015 10:30 LightningStrike wrote: Day 2 Votecount sulfurus (4): n00bKing, moosydoosy (2): Tictock, Sulfurus, ticktack (1): raynpelikoneet tictock (1): scott31337 n00bking (1): ruXxar Not Voting (6): Barakos, disinformation, Flexes, Tickock, Damdred, Breshke Sulfurus is set to be lynched. 9 votes cast and 6 players not voting. 15 players. We have more people than we started with! This game is gonna take forever! Oh, and someone tell Barakos to hurry up and vote. Jeeeez. | ||
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On July 28 2015 23:24 ruXxar wrote: Voting for n00bking here is not going to save sulfurus. ##Unvote ##Vote tictock Voting for Ticktock here is not going to save Ticktock. Headed to work right now, but should be able to make a few posts from there, before EoD. 2 really interesting posts from Breshke that I'll want to touch on (one that I like and one that I don't). I'll mention something else that I didn't like about an old post from Sulfurus. And I'll post up a "Town Case" on Ticktock, if he's still in vote trouble. | ||
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If you look at the original WIFOM scenario, in the movie, it is what I would call "pure WIFOM." Disregard Westley's immunity, and the fact that it would turn out both goblets were poisoned. Instead, just consider the game as it is presented to Vizzini (and as it is presented to the audience). In that scenario, there is really no incentive for the person staging the game to put the poison in one goblet as opposed to the other. There is no advantage or disadvantage to picking one or the other, since the opponent can just switch them. Everything is a pure 50/50, because the person being presented with the choice has NO way of knowing where the poison will be placed, and the person staging the game has NO way of knowing whether the opponent will choose to switch the goblets. But although that WIFOM scenario was 50/50, not all of them are. Sometimes the person staging the game (in this case, the Mafia) will have incentive to not make a certain choice. And the only reason for them to go ahead and make that choice anyway is to "look Townie." They play against their own agenda, for the sake of hoping that people will think "Since Scum wouldn't want to do that...they must not be Scum." This is not pure WIFOM, because the Mafia has reasons NOT to do that thing. Thus, doing that thing is slighty-to-somewhat Town indicative. Not hugely indicative, because it's still WIFOM. But it isn't NAI, because it isn't pure WIFOM. A couple of players in this game have made posts that indicate they aren't aware of (or at least aren't factoring in) these varying levels or degrees of WIFOM. Rels in particular is guilty of taking anything that a Mafia player could do that doesn't benefit them in any way except to "look Townie" and label it as WIFOM and then ignore it. There's a difference between things a Mafia player can do to look Townie that "don't benefit them" and things they can do to look Townie that "hurt them." Not all WIFOM is created equal. | ||
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On July 25 2015 14:02 Sulfurus wrote: I'll start with my read on Barakos since it was the easiest to figure out, just look at this post. And he puts in a series of quotes, with the last one being Barakos' ill-fated "weather here in Germany sucks" post. He then adds: Sulfurus wrote: At first I was very excited to see this since it has the same 'shape' as his posts from NSMX where he had nothing but good logic. However the actual content of the post has none of the strong conclusions that I associate with Barakos. It looks like it was written so people couldn't say he hasn't given reads instead of trying to catch mafia. What's unusual about this is that Sulfurus had already posted after that post from Barakos, and made no mention of it whatsoever. But once Sulfurus decides it is time to label Barakos as scum, suddenly the reasoning behind it is that old post. If he had said that after some additional consideration, he eventually decided that this thing or that thing about the post seemed a little scummy, then fine. But phrasing like "it was the easiest to figure out" and "just look at this post" makes it sound to me like he's saying the post was slap-u-in-the-face scummy from the moment he saw it. If that were the case, then why did he keep those impressions to himself, while posting about other things? And not tell us about this obviously scummy behavior until it sheeps thread sentiment? I won't try to tell you this is nail-in-the-coffin proof of Sulfurus' guilt. But it's another point against him. | ||
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On July 28 2015 12:50 MoosyDoosy wrote: I'm town, ruXxar's town, I think Tictock's town. This basically leaves us just scott. But as someone pointed out, rayn's claim as Veteran leaves us with a Vigi. Which means we either have a dumb Vigi who didn't shoot N1 or scott as Vigi which makes me reluctant to lynch him because of this fact. Decided my response to this post is counter-productive. Flagging just so I'll have it in my own filter to remind me later. | ||
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On July 28 2015 17:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: "I am sure scott is mafia, breshke is scummy too." Lets not vote for the guy i am SURE is mafia. As Ticktock pointed out, this is the opposite of what actually happened. But then AFTER you make this post, he switches his vote from Breshke (positively Scum) to Scott (pretty sure he's Scum) and suddenly your point is actually correct! Which means that Ticktock is actively helping you portray him as Scum, by flip-flopping on this position. Scum are more likely to flip-flop when it's convenient. Here, Ticktock is flip-flopping to his own detriment, right in front of the person who was already pushing his lynch. I know, I know. "WIFOM" you tell me. But it's not pure WIFOM. This is slightly Town-indicative, and it's a player I was already townreading beforehand. | ||
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On July 28 2015 20:49 Breshke wrote: Yeah because i thought about it some more. Okay so this is flexes last post. So IF he is town he actually has SOME stuff written at this stage. Then something (lets hope not serious) happens and he can no longer play. So he lets LS know that he can no longer play. There is no way he doesnt post what he had so far into the thread. Idk if this is OGI or what because im fairly sure flexes would have had to tell LS to replace out (considering the timing) so he would have posted what he had ya know. So it makes sense if he is scum, actually had like nothing when he posted that was stalling and then had to go and because of that his slot has shat the bed because soctt can't defend specifically against this he has to instead be super townie which isn't really happening. This is a very good point. It is something I hadn't actually thought of myself, and is one of the Towniest posts that Breshke has made in this game. Are we allowed to ask the host whether Flexes ever contacted him to be replaced out? Or whether the mod just replaced him out without ever hearing from him? Because if it's the latter, fine, NAI. But if it's the former, it does increase the chance that Flexes was Scum. | ||
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On July 28 2015 21:56 Breshke wrote: I could be wrong but im fairly sure you HAVE TO roleblock someone like you can't abstain. And this is like my least favorite post from Breshke in the entire game. Someone else said they thought Breshke has actually BEEN roleblocker before. If we could get some confirmation on that it would help. But this post reeks of "Look, I can't be on the team that has the roleblocker, I don't even know how a roleblocker works!" And it is not town-indicative WIFOM because if he is Scum, this post does not hurt him at all. This type of WIFOM is strictly upside from the Scum perspective. | ||
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On July 28 2015 21:20 ruXxar wrote: Why give rels confirmed town status when n00bking was up his ass so to speak. You'd have to ask them. My best guess is that it wrecks my credibility by showing how wrong I was. As long as I'm not a blue role, getting the Town to tell me to shut up and sit in the corner is nearly as good as killing me. As an added bonus, it can frame me as scum who was worried that Rels is a Cop and was going to get a redcheck on me. I find this to be incredibly weak logic, but it was working on YOU for a little while. They might have hoped that Rels would fall for this too, explaining why they roleblock him but don't kill him (killing him makes me just as wrong, but it doesn't give him a chance to keep coming at me.) On July 28 2015 21:20 ruXxar wrote:#1) mafia team are dumb. When I think about it n00b was right in that it's unlikely rels is cop since he's telling the cop who to check. If there is a Cop in the setup, I don't think the Mafia can be particularly sure it isn't Rels. They can only be sure that if Rels is the Cop, he's not going to check ME. I gave suggestions to the Cop on who to check. Doesn't mean I'm not the Cop. But I wouldn't give a one-name suggestion, and if I did, I am not checking that guy. On July 28 2015 21:20 ruXxar wrote:#2) mafia want to make n00bking look bad for pushing on confirmed town. Yeah, especially if "bad" means "like a donkey" instead of "like scum." On July 28 2015 21:20 ruXxar wrote:#3) n00bking wanted to look townie by explaining away some wifom logic of why he wouldn't rb rels. Maybe. But it's not pure WIFOM. I'm shooting myself in the foot for the sake of WIFOM. I'd be making a sacrifice. It's Town-indicative for me that Rels was roleblocked. On July 28 2015 21:20 ruXxar wrote:#4) mafia are genius: rels is mafia and they didn't role-block anyone. Rels claims being role blocked to get confirmed town status. This is insane next level play. If this is true I want to give mega props to scum team. This occurred to me as well, but it's getting pretty deep into tinfoil hat territory. Also, if they didn't turn in a roleblock it might mean they didn't get any actions turned in at all. And instead of rayn being the target of the attack, there just wasn't an attack. I think this is only possible if Flexes is Rels' teammate. If Flexes ever flips Town, this possibility is pretty much wiped out. But if Flexes flips Red, I'm going to have to remember where I keep my tinfoil hat, and Rels is back on the menu. Maybe. | ||
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On July 29 2015 04:03 Tictock wrote: I'm still getting lynched. Not 100% on the count but it's something like Tictock 4 Sulf 3 Scott 3 Moosy 2 Well get 100%. I'm not typing all this up if I don't have to. lol | ||
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On July 29 2015 04:20 MoosyDoosy wrote: ##unvote ##Vote scott31337 Booooooooo ##unvote ##Vote Scott | ||
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