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On July 28 2015 17:27 Rels wrote:Another thing about your Breshke + scott team: Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 19:49 Breshke wrote:On July 26 2015 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think Flexes is mafia.
There is no reason a townie would say "i am writing a reads post right now" if they are not doing so.
I find that impossible.
Like this game is pretty straightforward. People who do scummy things are usually scum. If someone thinks they themselves did a scummy thing they are scum. rofl. Saying you are doing something you actually aren't is a scummy thing.
Flexes is lying, as proven by the thread. It doesn't matter if it "makes sense for him to do that as mafia". It matters that no townie ever says they are DOING something they actually aren't.
Simple things are simple. I want to lynch flexes more than moosey now. Also i don't see why people assume that barakos scum mates would have known he was going to stop playing. If he was around to tell them he wouldnt be posting it is very likely he would have just posted in the thread instead. I also like noobking even more now for his post on we should be looking for the most scummy people not the people most likely to bus because the later is stupid. Breshke wants to lynch BOTH your old scum read (Moosy) and your new scum read (Flexes/scott). Do you really think Breshke + scott is possible ?
Humm, I hadn't thought about this >.<
Likely means I'm under a confirmation bias here... probably about Bre.
Besides having written out my thoughts on both of them I think my case on scott is much better.
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On July 28 2015 17:40 Rels wrote:@Tiktock You said this D1 (see bolded): Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 14:37 Tictock wrote:
@ Bre
Struck me as odd that you ignored the nonsense I was doing with no comments, and yea just in general weren't really engaging a lot.
Based on your responses to me here I'm willing to shrug it off for the time being.
As for Sulf... He's really just floating doing his own thing?
This "auto" list seems somewhat towny, but it's timing is weird. Also his PoE list looks too much like the majority sentiment of the game right now. I could be wrong but especially after that last post about Bara I really have the sense he might just be trying to show effort without really doing anything. Breshke asked you (see bolded): Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 14:46 Breshke wrote:On July 25 2015 14:37 Tictock wrote:
@ Bre
Struck me as odd that you ignored the nonsense I was doing with no comments, and yea just in general weren't really engaging a lot.
Based on your responses to me here I'm willing to shrug it off for the time being.
As for Sulf... He's really just floating doing his own thing?
This "auto" list seems somewhat towny, but it's timing is weird. Also his PoE list looks too much like the majority sentiment of the game right now. I could be wrong but especially after that last post about Bara I really have the sense he might just be trying to show effort without really doing anything. I thought it might have been going somewhere i wasn't going to interrupt. Also if it didn't go somewhere and you continued that would have been good info as well. How is the timing weird?What did you expect him to have on bara though other than what is already out there. I wouldn't say it is scummy that he has no "new" things about bara if anything it is scummy that he chose to explain that read first and in so many words instead of just saying like "what rayn said was good" but i think it is possible that he thinks it wouldnt be appropriate giving that response. Sulf can you explain your Noobking scumread, that is the one I am most interested in. In your response to his general post you didn't answer this question ? Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 14:55 Tictock wrote:
Like, if sulf had posted nothing else we policy lynch him... for sure.
Posting this auto-lynch concept and selling it could very well be a last ditch effort of doing "something".
I don't like it because a lot of my scum reads are in his town pile ^.^
Also I have at least 2 maybe 3 solid town reads in his PoE list so that makes me nervous as well... Two things weird about that: 1. You were wishy washy about Sulfurus: "This "auto" list seems somewhat towny", but "it's timing is weird", and " if sulf had posted nothing else we policy lynch him... for sure." Looks like you wanted an excuse to vote Sulfurus without pushing him much. 2. What do you mean "his timing is weird" ?
What I said
Posting this auto-lynch concept and selling it could very well be a last ditch effort of doing "something".
His post was in the last ~20 hours of the day phase without having posted anything prior. So it looked like an attempt to do something before people started to vote for him (which anyone who played with Sulf in his last couple of games would attest to)
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On July 28 2015 18:08 Rels wrote:
Town usually defend very hard when pushed like that, and sometimes even attacks back. (see = noobking vs myself)
The fact that TT started defending against my accusation then left the thread before continuing is making me even more suspicious of him.
Actually it's the other way around: him defending hard would be a small sign of him being town. And he doesn't do that.
Shove off... I said exactly what I was doing.
And it's 4am here, I really should have just gone to bed.
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Now I think I really will dissapear.
Town should have this game with the failed NK, and a possible Cop or Vig out there to help out.
Lynch me if your retarded and think I'd play this way as scum.
If I feel like it when I get up I'll shit more towny rainbows and maybe even help convince people to lynch scum today.
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On July 28 2015 18:46 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 18:35 Tictock wrote:On July 28 2015 17:27 Rels wrote:Another thing about your Breshke + scott team: On July 26 2015 19:49 Breshke wrote:On July 26 2015 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think Flexes is mafia.
There is no reason a townie would say "i am writing a reads post right now" if they are not doing so.
I find that impossible.
Like this game is pretty straightforward. People who do scummy things are usually scum. If someone thinks they themselves did a scummy thing they are scum. rofl. Saying you are doing something you actually aren't is a scummy thing.
Flexes is lying, as proven by the thread. It doesn't matter if it "makes sense for him to do that as mafia". It matters that no townie ever says they are DOING something they actually aren't.
Simple things are simple. I want to lynch flexes more than moosey now. Also i don't see why people assume that barakos scum mates would have known he was going to stop playing. If he was around to tell them he wouldnt be posting it is very likely he would have just posted in the thread instead. I also like noobking even more now for his post on we should be looking for the most scummy people not the people most likely to bus because the later is stupid. Breshke wants to lynch BOTH your old scum read (Moosy) and your new scum read (Flexes/scott). Do you really think Breshke + scott is possible ? Humm, I hadn't thought about this >.< Likely means I'm under a confirmation bias here... probably about Bre. Besides having written out my thoughts on both of them I think my case on scott is much better.
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##Vote: scott31337 Really ? 'cause you quoted the post in question in your case. It was one of your main point about Breshke sheeping. Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 17:06 Tictock wrote:2) Not very active when active...Basically, he's pretty much done nothing this game. Hardly any reads, hardly any thoughts posted, no pushes. Gives up his own reads to sheep. Vote on Barakos, when Moosy and Ruxx were his top scum before. Dropped his scum read on Ruxx with no explanation. This post: On July 26 2015 19:49 Breshke wrote:On July 26 2015 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think Flexes is mafia.
There is no reason a townie would say "i am writing a reads post right now" if they are not doing so.
I find that impossible.
Like this game is pretty straightforward. People who do scummy things are usually scum. If someone thinks they themselves did a scummy thing they are scum. rofl. Saying you are doing something you actually aren't is a scummy thing.
Flexes is lying, as proven by the thread. It doesn't matter if it "makes sense for him to do that as mafia". It matters that no townie ever says they are DOING something they actually aren't.
Simple things are simple. I want to lynch flexes more than moosey now. Also i don't see why people assume that barakos scum mates would have known he was going to stop playing. If he was around to tell them he wouldnt be posting it is very likely he would have just posted in the thread instead. I also like noobking even more now for his post on we should be looking for the most scummy people not the people most likely to bus because the later is stupid.
Yea, I was looking and thinking Scott & Bre. Not Bre and Flex.
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On July 29 2015 01:12 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 01:05 Damdred wrote:
Salutations
Firstly of course you can abstain from using rb/frames/vig powers. And breshke saying otherwise is a bit odd(?) just like you can withhold kp if you want but its not advisable st all.
Other than that I'm not sure who want to lynch, on one hand someone shouldn't claim mafia and not be punished. Om the other breshke is super weird, and tick is interesting but not sure its scum related hrm Has breshke been mafia before? With 15 games I would think so. He should know these things right?
Humm.
You are voting for me, but you are not reading my posts...
I posted a list of all the games Bre's been in, his alignments, and links to his filters. Copied it from the TL Mafia Database...
Wondering if Ruxx is actually Mafia here now. He's been all over the place, voted off the Bara wagon (with me no less) and doesn't really seem to care where his vote goes EXPECT he never once put it on Bara. Interesting.
Just sayin that if I do get lynched here it's pretty obv that you all should look harder at Scott and Ruxx tomorrow for their votes on me.
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Ok, so if you think I'm scum here, then I want to know why you all think I'm the worst scum player ever?
Why would I soft defend Bara, while still admitting the case on his was decent?
Why push rayn who was one of the more vocal advocators of the Bara lynch?
Why would I start to reevaluate my scum reads halfway through today and start making cases on new people and move my vote there?
Like seriously, only way I'm scum here is if I'm going for the "Worst Scum Play 2015" award. No way do I push myself out into the limelight as scum like this.
So if you really think I'm that bad of a scum player and would risk taking any of these actions that have made me look so weird and suspicious then you should take a quick look at my last scum game and explain why I've suddenly become terrible at playing as scum.
My Filter that game: Holy Guardians
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I'm still a bit torn on Bre, but his more recent posts look a little better.
Would also like to know in detail why he has me 3rd on his scum list though.
Scott to me has the best chance of flipping scum today as I detailed in my Case on him.
Maybe I'll move my vote off him in an effort to save myself... maybe.
Honestly I'm not sure about Moosy or Sulf, possible there is mafia between the 2 but given that I can see both as town here... I'm less interested in lynching them.
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On July 29 2015 02:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Please lynch TT he is scum.
Breshke is not mafia.
Neither is sulfurus.
Neither is moose.
Just want to point out that you've basically wasted today just sitting with your confirmation biased view on me.
Way to waste the day your role power brought us.
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On July 29 2015 03:48 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 03:37 Tictock wrote:Ok, so if you think I'm scum here, then I want to know why you all think I'm the worst scum player ever? Why would I soft defend Bara, while still admitting the case on his was decent? Why push rayn who was one of the more vocal advocators of the Bara lynch? Why would I start to reevaluate my scum reads halfway through today and start making cases on new people and move my vote there? Like seriously, only way I'm scum here is if I'm going for the "Worst Scum Play 2015" award. No way do I push myself out into the limelight as scum like this. So if you really think I'm that bad of a scum player and would risk taking any of these actions that have made me look so weird and suspicious then you should take a quick look at my last scum game and explain why I've suddenly become terrible at playing as scum. My Filter that game: Holy Guardians You soft defend bara because you don't want him to get lynched, but don't want to be strongly associated by hard defending. You push rayn to discredit him and make his push on barakos look illegitemate. You start re-evaluating your scumreads because you realize the rayn push isn't getting traction and are looking for other opportunistic trains, like moosy.
Yea about that...
You soft defend bara because you don't want him to get lynched, but don't want to be strongly associated by hard defending.
Yet any form of defense and not hopping on the wagon has the same result.. you've pointed this out yourself. I know this, and as scum no way do I do this. 100% I bus Bara into the ground. Never do I waste half the day trying to get reads through Tarot.
You push rayn to discredit him and make his push on barakos look illegitemate.
Worked like a charm too huh? Especially that bit near EoD where I said I wasn't sure rayn was scum, but that I just didn't trust him. Good way to push on someone is never voting them like I did, uhhuh...
You start re-evaluating your scumreads because you realize the rayn push isn't getting traction and are looking for other opportunistic trains, like moosy.
So I actually want to point out that I've really only been taking people OFF my scum list this entire game. I think the only person I added from who I was talking about D1 was Scott. Pretty godly scum play huh? Narrowing my list of targets like that?
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@ Rels
Man, I know you are a better player than this. You have to see that your case on me basically boils down to
- I look wierd
- I've changed my mind
None of the points you've brought against me are very solid and things townies do all the time.
You even said yourself
On July 27 2015 23:44 Rels wrote:
I read TikTock's filter and I will need a rock solid case to vote on him. Thinking Sulfurus + scott is way more likely.
Honestly, is what I've done since any indication that I'm scum?
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On July 29 2015 04:02 n00bKing wrote:
day at work is getting busier. Can anyone put together a current vote count so I can see whether or not I need to post the Town Case on Ticktock?
I'm still getting lynched. Not 100% on the count but it's something like
Tictock 4
Sulf 3
Scott 3
Moosy 2
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If nothing else Town needs to consolidate more here.
You should all be voting Scott with me and listening to Damdred.
I really don't like how split up the votes are, when we were like 3/3/2 for Sul/Moosy/Tic I was really starting to think that all the wagons were on town due to how split up everyone is
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@ NM
I dropped my scumreads on Sul and Moosy for similar reasons.
It mostly boils down to them both being in line with their town meta's.
Sulf is about this active as town, and he is posting decently. Also I thought it was pretty towny of him to tell me that he has the same chance of rolling scum every game that he's in, that was after I'd stated I didn't think it was likely he'd get scum 3 games in a row. + Show Spoiler +BTW I understand how probabilities work, and it is very unlikely for Sulf to roll mafia this many games in a row, but as I said before that isn't a very solid reason. Sulf pointing out himself that this is a bad reason to think he's town, makes me think he's town.
Moosy is pretty active and besides his posts where he dodges questions withe the bullshit "I'm mafia" stuff he pulled last game he doesn't look terrible. I still think he could be making more detailed reads and stuff, but honestly his style of providing reads is reminding me a lot of Damdred atm so meh.
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On July 29 2015 04:15 Breshke wrote:
Can't sleep
Yeah would prefer if the confirmed were on this wagon aswell
Rayn doesn't seem to want to rethink his read on me, so I think that's a lost cause.
Scott is probably scum and just wants to lynch me to get back at me for HG.
Ruxx is wtf, and all over the place. Still a decent chance he's scum here.
Which leaves me with Rels, and is why I made an appeal to reason with him.
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It's never a good thing to have votes all over the place, makes VCA analysis hard. So consolidating on one or two wagons EoD is never a bad thing.
The more spread out town is on the voting the easier it is for scum to hide or to influence the votes to push mislynches. Much harder for scum to do those things when town is working together.
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On July 29 2015 04:46 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 04:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 29 2015 04:43 disformation wrote:On July 29 2015 04:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
*shrugs* For me this is a good test to sniff out alignments through reactions of all parties involved. To be truthful I was reluctant to switch and with this quick change in voting, things do seem a bit off. But I think this lynch will at least give us a ton of info. subtly setting yourself up for a "told ya so"?  Yes.  Nah, just saying the obvious. We're all thinking the same thing but not saying it. Not too sure about the ton of info, but the landslide voting is worrying me a tad.
Bit of an overstatement isn't it?
This is 5? Votes on scott now?
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On July 29 2015 04:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Day 2 Votecount
scott31337 (7): Tictock, disformation, MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage, Damdred, Breshke, n00bKing
tictock (3): scott31337, Rels, raynpelikoneet, ruXxar
moosydoosy (2): Tictock, Sulfurus, ruXxar, Breshke, ruXxar
sulfurus (0): n00bKing, disformation, Rels, MoosyDoosy, MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage, scott31337
ticktack (0): raynpelikoneet
n00bking (0): ruXxar
breshke (0): Tictock
Not Voting (0):
Scott31337 is set to be lynched!
I stand corrected...
Yea Damdred is asking a decent question.
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Actually that vote count is not accurate.
Ruxx never took his vote back to moosy it's still on me, he messed up formatting a post that had a vote in it which is messing up the tracker.
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On July 28 2015 05:44 NocturneMage wrote:
Re-reading the last page, there are few things that are of concern to me.
If we assume that Sulfurus is (somehow) town, you have Scott throwing his vote by sheeping a case. He could be mafia taking advantage of a townread. The other issue here is that he's saying he doesnt like Tictock even though Tictock is pushing Sulfurus and MoosyDoosy.
From Scott's viewpoint - unless he can be more specific - Tictock pushing Sulfurus should raise his opinion of Tictock.
His precedent Flexes has zero on Sulfurus in his filter.
This was Noc's most recent post prior to what he's posted in the last hour here.
So he did have suspicions of scott earlier.
I'm not seeing anything in this post that really looks like a scum tell to me. It looks far more like a newbie trying to talk about everything that's being discussed atm and then jumping on this scott wagon.
On July 29 2015 04:04 NocturneMage wrote:
Just got home from work.
So people don't want to lynch Sulfurus - reading his last few posts and I have some questions.
- why is he looking at disformation (between him and Breshke)
- one issue I have with him is why his read on Moosy isn't changing when Moosy's done a bit (he's saying his lynch list isn't changing except for the two names he's brought up)
- Moosy has done some things that appear towny to me (read on) so I don't know how he's making a determination why he's still scummy (and less so disformation)
Sulfurus if you can answer these it would be great.
Reading a few filters...
I already voiced a few potential scum issues with Breshke (the ruxxar read drop, not getting anywhere on Sulfurus despite discussing noobking) but I need to read the Moosy/Breshke convo again, it looks really difficult to read at first glance...
Right now, the only real argument I've seen all game against Moosy is the question dodging although I thought he answered at some point why his read on Breshke evolved, mainly based on lurkiness. He has provided town reads and a scum read d1, and his response to Rels regarding the Barakos wagon "in the event it was wrong....would I have achieved anything" I thought was pretty towny.
I really don't think Moosy is the choice to go to lynch today, still townlean, and although it would appear that Tictock has moved on to a Scott/Breshke scumteam, he still has Moosy in his bottom three so unless it's buried in this thread somewhere, I'm curious as to why Tictock wasn't moved once Moosy provided those questions other than the argument "he's active and he's posting but still not that great."
And actually that's another point against Breshke - Breshke cited question dodging against Moosy as well when he returned to the thread, and Moosy had before resolved the questions I'm pretty sure.
I checked the meta read on Breshke and the argument holds, even accounting to equal the number of days, since he didn't last long in his scum games.
So meh.
Unless you are seeing something here than I'm not Damdred?
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