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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 24 2015 16:52 GMT
#361
On July 25 2015 01:48 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 01:47 Rels wrote:
On July 25 2015 01:39 Damdred wrote:
On July 24 2015 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 24 2015 10:07 Breshke wrote:
On July 24 2015 09:53 Damdred wrote:
Initial reads before anything else happens

Disinformation and Ruxxor are obviously town to me atm, this is subject to change but tone wise and frequency of posting so far lead me in the general direction of duh they are town.

And then my first weird feeling came from this post.


On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote:
I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game.
The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards.
Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach.
Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.

You only get as much out of the game as you put into it.
I need to engage in my own way.
Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.

My #1 goal is to have fun.
In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless.
Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.


Fair enough.
Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs*
Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess.

So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.-


Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day...

And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.-

Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon...

Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him.

Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts...

Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me.

Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation!


This post just smells off to me, it seems like a lot of information doesn't say a lot doesn't draw many conclussions and gives the thought of doing a lot of things while doing nothing at the same time. Giving him a scum lean even this early

Breshke is also a bit odd so far, the questions without other opinions just strikes me a bit funny.


Ehh my question to barakos was just making sure he wasnt trying to say rayns thing was scummy. The ruxxar one I am still kind of waiting for a reply.

So it starts with this

On July 24 2015 07:40 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:36 n00bKing wrote:
I'll keep posting this at the start of each game, until people actually start following it. From the General Guide on how to play:

Don’t babble. If you speak without having a clear goal in mind, you impede the town and decrease everyone else’s productivity. This paralyzes town analysis and decision-making and allows mafia to hide in the chaos

Not totally sure that ruXxar is in violation yet. But...it kinda seems like it.

He knows that some of us have seen him play as both allegiances already, so I'm not a fan of him making this wild change in his posting style. It could serve as a decent smokescreen.


Ah, but my goal is clear and simple.
Discussion must flow for alignments to be revealed.

When making unorthodox comments you gain traction and arouse thoughts.
Am I scum, am I town?

As you judge me, I judge you.
A dead thread benefits no one.

Let your thoughts flow unfiltered and you have nothing to fear.


The ye olde play of ill do weird shit to get people to talk about my weird shit then get reads off said people. Except noobking (in a roundabout way but still fairly obvious) that this could be a decent smokescreen for ruxxar infering that he thinks ruxxar is doing this as scum. So ruxxar got what he wanted and someone is talking about his stuff yet when asked to give a read on noobking he dodges it.

On July 24 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD


It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read?

I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking?


A read from a sentence?
What do I analyze, the tone, the cadence, the befriending emoticon?
The timing, his motivation, his meta?

A sentence says so little yet says so much if you but know what to look for.

I will not pass judgement on n00b yet, but you nocturne, you have showed your true colors.
The natural curiosity, the spontaneous doubt, your inquisitive nature and your non-hesitation to share with us of your life.
I read you clear as a book.

Your alignment is town.


While saying that there is not enough to read noob off of yet is a fair point. Yet doing the play where he makes weird posts at the start of the game i expect ruxxar to peruse those reads and he doesn't do this with noobking. His only other post directed towards noobking are complaining that he can not read him. I don't see evidence of him trying to work out noobkings alignment from reactions to his openings or other means which I feel is contradictory to the first post i quoted.

I think ruxxar is scum

Also i would like to add that i think noobkings smokescreen post was really townie because it showed paranoia to me which i feel like is hard to fake as mafia.

Ooooh boy this post. This post this post this post. You might be onto something here Damdred.


This is a general pocket post, it happened shrug.

I'm not sure how I encouraged you to vote him?

OK you're alright. (=


how did I encourage you again

I felt you pushed me to vote moosy with this post:
On July 25 2015 00:50 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 00:46 Rels wrote:
On July 25 2015 00:39 ruXxar wrote:
On July 25 2015 00:32 Rels wrote:
On July 25 2015 00:27 ruXxar wrote:
Don't like moosy at all:

To breshke:
Have you played with ruXxar before? When he's townie he posts a lot of filler posts although his townie tone is glaringly obvious. He also never makes firm cases and mostly sheeps cases although he sometimes points out things no one else noticed. So it's not uncommon for him to not post alignments and just create conversation with others. It's mostly up to us to start making reads based off the conversation he starts. So he never really makes alignment reads.
And anyway, even if you expected him to give his alignment reads (which isn't what he really does)
To be brutally honest, I can honestly see ruXxar not getting any reads off of his poetry spam


To me:
I still hate you. Spot spouting poetry shit and get to business you fool. Traps D1 like this are so bad it's ridiculous. It's completely dependent on the Mafia making a slip while people jump on your wagon. In either case, no one is taking you seriously at this point because of your poetry nonsense so you might as well just stop at this point. It's the last few hours we have. Get down to business.
Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads


Lynch with fire.

I don't see any arguments in this "lynch-with-fire" case.


Complete change in attitude about my play.

To breshke: "Stop attacking ruxxar for not giving reads, he doesn't do that, it's our job to do that, it's his normal town meta.".
To me: "You idiot, start making some reads"

OK that makes sense. Waiting for his defense now.


Actually, why do you need his defense in this situation to draw a conclusion? Past experience would show you usually come to your own conclusions in a proactive way instead of being somewhat passive

Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 24 2015 16:53 GMT
#362
On July 25 2015 01:52 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 01:48 Damdred wrote:
On July 25 2015 01:47 Rels wrote:
On July 25 2015 01:39 Damdred wrote:
On July 24 2015 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 24 2015 10:07 Breshke wrote:
On July 24 2015 09:53 Damdred wrote:
Initial reads before anything else happens

Disinformation and Ruxxor are obviously town to me atm, this is subject to change but tone wise and frequency of posting so far lead me in the general direction of duh they are town.

And then my first weird feeling came from this post.


On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote:
I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game.
The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards.
Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach.
Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.

You only get as much out of the game as you put into it.
I need to engage in my own way.
Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.

My #1 goal is to have fun.
In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless.
Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.


Fair enough.
Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs*
Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess.

So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.-


Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day...

And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.-

Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon...

Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him.

Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts...

Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me.

Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation!


This post just smells off to me, it seems like a lot of information doesn't say a lot doesn't draw many conclussions and gives the thought of doing a lot of things while doing nothing at the same time. Giving him a scum lean even this early

Breshke is also a bit odd so far, the questions without other opinions just strikes me a bit funny.


Ehh my question to barakos was just making sure he wasnt trying to say rayns thing was scummy. The ruxxar one I am still kind of waiting for a reply.

So it starts with this

On July 24 2015 07:40 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:36 n00bKing wrote:
I'll keep posting this at the start of each game, until people actually start following it. From the General Guide on how to play:

Don’t babble. If you speak without having a clear goal in mind, you impede the town and decrease everyone else’s productivity. This paralyzes town analysis and decision-making and allows mafia to hide in the chaos

Not totally sure that ruXxar is in violation yet. But...it kinda seems like it.

He knows that some of us have seen him play as both allegiances already, so I'm not a fan of him making this wild change in his posting style. It could serve as a decent smokescreen.


Ah, but my goal is clear and simple.
Discussion must flow for alignments to be revealed.

When making unorthodox comments you gain traction and arouse thoughts.
Am I scum, am I town?

As you judge me, I judge you.
A dead thread benefits no one.

Let your thoughts flow unfiltered and you have nothing to fear.


The ye olde play of ill do weird shit to get people to talk about my weird shit then get reads off said people. Except noobking (in a roundabout way but still fairly obvious) that this could be a decent smokescreen for ruxxar infering that he thinks ruxxar is doing this as scum. So ruxxar got what he wanted and someone is talking about his stuff yet when asked to give a read on noobking he dodges it.

On July 24 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD


It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read?

I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking?


A read from a sentence?
What do I analyze, the tone, the cadence, the befriending emoticon?
The timing, his motivation, his meta?

A sentence says so little yet says so much if you but know what to look for.

I will not pass judgement on n00b yet, but you nocturne, you have showed your true colors.
The natural curiosity, the spontaneous doubt, your inquisitive nature and your non-hesitation to share with us of your life.
I read you clear as a book.

Your alignment is town.


While saying that there is not enough to read noob off of yet is a fair point. Yet doing the play where he makes weird posts at the start of the game i expect ruxxar to peruse those reads and he doesn't do this with noobking. His only other post directed towards noobking are complaining that he can not read him. I don't see evidence of him trying to work out noobkings alignment from reactions to his openings or other means which I feel is contradictory to the first post i quoted.

I think ruxxar is scum

Also i would like to add that i think noobkings smokescreen post was really townie because it showed paranoia to me which i feel like is hard to fake as mafia.

Ooooh boy this post. This post this post this post. You might be onto something here Damdred.


This is a general pocket post, it happened shrug.

I'm not sure how I encouraged you to vote him?

OK you're alright. (=


how did I encourage you again

I felt you pushed me to vote moosy with this post:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 00:50 Damdred wrote:
On July 25 2015 00:46 Rels wrote:
On July 25 2015 00:39 ruXxar wrote:
On July 25 2015 00:32 Rels wrote:
On July 25 2015 00:27 ruXxar wrote:
Don't like moosy at all:

To breshke:
Have you played with ruXxar before? When he's townie he posts a lot of filler posts although his townie tone is glaringly obvious. He also never makes firm cases and mostly sheeps cases although he sometimes points out things no one else noticed. So it's not uncommon for him to not post alignments and just create conversation with others. It's mostly up to us to start making reads based off the conversation he starts. So he never really makes alignment reads.
And anyway, even if you expected him to give his alignment reads (which isn't what he really does)
To be brutally honest, I can honestly see ruXxar not getting any reads off of his poetry spam


To me:
I still hate you. Spot spouting poetry shit and get to business you fool. Traps D1 like this are so bad it's ridiculous. It's completely dependent on the Mafia making a slip while people jump on your wagon. In either case, no one is taking you seriously at this point because of your poetry nonsense so you might as well just stop at this point. It's the last few hours we have. Get down to business.
Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads


Lynch with fire.

I don't see any arguments in this "lynch-with-fire" case.


Complete change in attitude about my play.

To breshke: "Stop attacking ruxxar for not giving reads, he doesn't do that, it's our job to do that, it's his normal town meta.".
To me: "You idiot, start making some reads"

OK that makes sense. Waiting for his defense now.


Actually, why do you need his defense in this situation to draw a conclusion? Past experience would show you usually come to your own conclusions in a proactive way instead of being somewhat passive



That's not a call for a vote XD, that's asking for an explanation why you didn't draw your own conclusions. And that post was technically AFTER your vote
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 24 2015 16:54 GMT
#363
On July 25 2015 01:51 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 01:45 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 25 2015 01:33 ruXxar wrote:
Typical mafia play, attack my person and character in an attempt to diminish the validity of my opinion.


Can I just point out this shitty play for you all? If we're trying to create a good town atmosphere you're supposed to accept what people say and bounce thoughts off of others to create a productive atmosphere. Statements like these just brushes other's thoughts away creating a shitty atmosphere. smh ruXxar. Alright I'm done with bashing him for now.


Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 01:33 ruXxar wrote:
Typical mafia play, attack my person and character in an attempt to diminish the validity of my opinion.


So you're saying this statement is causing is causing worse town atmosphere than this?

Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 01:24 MoosyDoosy wrote:
even if he's a shit player the least he can do since he signed up is try and participate rather than spam useless poetry. Which is why I've been pulling his teeth and trying to get him to fucking participate although I doubt he's going to provide anything useful anyway.

As for your argument LOL. The reason why I'm going to take particular care in looking at your posts is because I hold a grudge over your worthless play in our first newbie game together.


Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 01:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Lol yeah you're shit. You ask for my honest opinion of you then spurn it when you dislike what you hear. Give me more bias buddy. Please disillusion yourself more..


The more you talk the more convinced I am that you are mafia.

I'm not afraid to respond in the same way that you've responded to me bb.

If things like these make you think I'm Mafia that just goes further to show you're a shitty player. These things just show how much I dislike you and go in no way to show that I'm Mafia. Continue to build your tunnel tho. It's fun to see you flailing and it just goes to prove how useless you are.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 24 2015 16:59 GMT
#364
On July 25 2015 01:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 00:27 ruXxar wrote:
Don't like moosy at all:

To breshke:
Have you played with ruXxar before? When he's townie he posts a lot of filler posts although his townie tone is glaringly obvious. He also never makes firm cases and mostly sheeps cases although he sometimes points out things no one else noticed. So it's not uncommon for him to not post alignments and just create conversation with others. It's mostly up to us to start making reads based off the conversation he starts. So he never really makes alignment reads.
And anyway, even if you expected him to give his alignment reads (which isn't what he really does)
To be brutally honest, I can honestly see ruXxar not getting any reads off of his poetry spam


To me:
I still hate you. Spot spouting poetry shit and get to business you fool. Traps D1 like this are so bad it's ridiculous. It's completely dependent on the Mafia making a slip while people jump on your wagon. In either case, no one is taking you seriously at this point because of your poetry nonsense so you might as well just stop at this point. It's the last few hours we have. Get down to business.
Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads


Lynch with fire.

I already explained it. I think he's a shitty player which is why he doesn't give reads and can't do reads for his life.

On the other hand since he did sign up to play he should at least do something helpful and TRY to give reads even though he won't give anything useful.

OK.

I reread the context to make sure and moosy is right. What is funny is that this sentences by ruxxar are true:
On July 25 2015 00:39 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 00:32 Rels wrote:
On July 25 2015 00:27 ruXxar wrote:
Don't like moosy at all:

To breshke:
Have you played with ruXxar before? When he's townie he posts a lot of filler posts although his townie tone is glaringly obvious. He also never makes firm cases and mostly sheeps cases although he sometimes points out things no one else noticed. So it's not uncommon for him to not post alignments and just create conversation with others. It's mostly up to us to start making reads based off the conversation he starts. So he never really makes alignment reads.
And anyway, even if you expected him to give his alignment reads (which isn't what he really does)
To be brutally honest, I can honestly see ruXxar not getting any reads off of his poetry spam


To me:
I still hate you. Spot spouting poetry shit and get to business you fool. Traps D1 like this are so bad it's ridiculous. It's completely dependent on the Mafia making a slip while people jump on your wagon. In either case, no one is taking you seriously at this point because of your poetry nonsense so you might as well just stop at this point. It's the last few hours we have. Get down to business.
Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads


Lynch with fire.

I don't see any arguments in this "lynch-with-fire" case.


To breshke: "Stop attacking ruxxar for not giving reads, he doesn't do that, it's our job to do that, it's his normal town meta.".
To me: "You idiot, start making some reads"

Moosy actually said ruxxar didn't have good / any read, but he was argueing (?) with Breshke who thought that made ruxxar mafia.

He never said to Breshke he was OK with ruxxar having no read. He even said:
On July 24 2015 12:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Either way, I think we can both agree that we'll have to see how ruXxar acts from here on out and judge from there. Which will be easy because I'll be suspecting him hard if he doesn't start posting a shit ton like he normally does. And I'm going to take an especially hard look at him for reasons I stated before.


So this sentence:
On July 25 2015 00:39 ruXxar wrote:
Complete change in attitude about my play.

is not true.

##Unvote
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 24 2015 17:00 GMT
#365
On July 25 2015 01:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 01:51 ruXxar wrote:
On July 25 2015 01:45 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 25 2015 01:33 ruXxar wrote:
Typical mafia play, attack my person and character in an attempt to diminish the validity of my opinion.


Can I just point out this shitty play for you all? If we're trying to create a good town atmosphere you're supposed to accept what people say and bounce thoughts off of others to create a productive atmosphere. Statements like these just brushes other's thoughts away creating a shitty atmosphere. smh ruXxar. Alright I'm done with bashing him for now.


On July 25 2015 01:33 ruXxar wrote:
Typical mafia play, attack my person and character in an attempt to diminish the validity of my opinion.


So you're saying this statement is causing is causing worse town atmosphere than this?

On July 25 2015 01:24 MoosyDoosy wrote:
even if he's a shit player the least he can do since he signed up is try and participate rather than spam useless poetry. Which is why I've been pulling his teeth and trying to get him to fucking participate although I doubt he's going to provide anything useful anyway.

As for your argument LOL. The reason why I'm going to take particular care in looking at your posts is because I hold a grudge over your worthless play in our first newbie game together.


On July 25 2015 01:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Lol yeah you're shit. You ask for my honest opinion of you then spurn it when you dislike what you hear. Give me more bias buddy. Please disillusion yourself more..


The more you talk the more convinced I am that you are mafia.

I'm not afraid to respond in the same way that you've responded to me bb.

If things like these make you think I'm Mafia that just goes further to show you're a shitty player. These things just show how much I dislike you and go in no way to show that I'm Mafia. Continue to build your tunnel tho. It's fun to see you flailing and it just goes to prove how useless you are.


I'm glad you find pleasure in these personal attacks.
I'm sorry to say that it's not an effective way to gain town-cred.

You should try a different approach next mafia game.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 24 2015 17:01 GMT
#366
On July 25 2015 01:53 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 01:52 Rels wrote:
On July 25 2015 01:48 Damdred wrote:
On July 25 2015 01:47 Rels wrote:
On July 25 2015 01:39 Damdred wrote:
On July 24 2015 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 24 2015 10:07 Breshke wrote:
On July 24 2015 09:53 Damdred wrote:
Initial reads before anything else happens

Disinformation and Ruxxor are obviously town to me atm, this is subject to change but tone wise and frequency of posting so far lead me in the general direction of duh they are town.

And then my first weird feeling came from this post.


On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:
[quote]

Fair enough.
Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs*
Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess.

So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.-


Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day...

And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.-

Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon...

Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him.

Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts...

Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me.

Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation!


This post just smells off to me, it seems like a lot of information doesn't say a lot doesn't draw many conclussions and gives the thought of doing a lot of things while doing nothing at the same time. Giving him a scum lean even this early

Breshke is also a bit odd so far, the questions without other opinions just strikes me a bit funny.


Ehh my question to barakos was just making sure he wasnt trying to say rayns thing was scummy. The ruxxar one I am still kind of waiting for a reply.

So it starts with this

On July 24 2015 07:40 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:36 n00bKing wrote:
I'll keep posting this at the start of each game, until people actually start following it. From the General Guide on how to play:

Don’t babble. If you speak without having a clear goal in mind, you impede the town and decrease everyone else’s productivity. This paralyzes town analysis and decision-making and allows mafia to hide in the chaos

Not totally sure that ruXxar is in violation yet. But...it kinda seems like it.

He knows that some of us have seen him play as both allegiances already, so I'm not a fan of him making this wild change in his posting style. It could serve as a decent smokescreen.


Ah, but my goal is clear and simple.
Discussion must flow for alignments to be revealed.

When making unorthodox comments you gain traction and arouse thoughts.
Am I scum, am I town?

As you judge me, I judge you.
A dead thread benefits no one.

Let your thoughts flow unfiltered and you have nothing to fear.


The ye olde play of ill do weird shit to get people to talk about my weird shit then get reads off said people. Except noobking (in a roundabout way but still fairly obvious) that this could be a decent smokescreen for ruxxar infering that he thinks ruxxar is doing this as scum. So ruxxar got what he wanted and someone is talking about his stuff yet when asked to give a read on noobking he dodges it.

On July 24 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD


It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read?

I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking?


A read from a sentence?
What do I analyze, the tone, the cadence, the befriending emoticon?
The timing, his motivation, his meta?

A sentence says so little yet says so much if you but know what to look for.

I will not pass judgement on n00b yet, but you nocturne, you have showed your true colors.
The natural curiosity, the spontaneous doubt, your inquisitive nature and your non-hesitation to share with us of your life.
I read you clear as a book.

Your alignment is town.


While saying that there is not enough to read noob off of yet is a fair point. Yet doing the play where he makes weird posts at the start of the game i expect ruxxar to peruse those reads and he doesn't do this with noobking. His only other post directed towards noobking are complaining that he can not read him. I don't see evidence of him trying to work out noobkings alignment from reactions to his openings or other means which I feel is contradictory to the first post i quoted.

I think ruxxar is scum

Also i would like to add that i think noobkings smokescreen post was really townie because it showed paranoia to me which i feel like is hard to fake as mafia.

Ooooh boy this post. This post this post this post. You might be onto something here Damdred.


This is a general pocket post, it happened shrug.

I'm not sure how I encouraged you to vote him?

OK you're alright. (=


how did I encourage you again

I felt you pushed me to vote moosy with this post:
On July 25 2015 00:50 Damdred wrote:
On July 25 2015 00:46 Rels wrote:
On July 25 2015 00:39 ruXxar wrote:
On July 25 2015 00:32 Rels wrote:
On July 25 2015 00:27 ruXxar wrote:
Don't like moosy at all:

To breshke:
Have you played with ruXxar before? When he's townie he posts a lot of filler posts although his townie tone is glaringly obvious. He also never makes firm cases and mostly sheeps cases although he sometimes points out things no one else noticed. So it's not uncommon for him to not post alignments and just create conversation with others. It's mostly up to us to start making reads based off the conversation he starts. So he never really makes alignment reads.
And anyway, even if you expected him to give his alignment reads (which isn't what he really does)
To be brutally honest, I can honestly see ruXxar not getting any reads off of his poetry spam


To me:
I still hate you. Spot spouting poetry shit and get to business you fool. Traps D1 like this are so bad it's ridiculous. It's completely dependent on the Mafia making a slip while people jump on your wagon. In either case, no one is taking you seriously at this point because of your poetry nonsense so you might as well just stop at this point. It's the last few hours we have. Get down to business.
Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads


Lynch with fire.

I don't see any arguments in this "lynch-with-fire" case.


Complete change in attitude about my play.

To breshke: "Stop attacking ruxxar for not giving reads, he doesn't do that, it's our job to do that, it's his normal town meta.".
To me: "You idiot, start making some reads"

OK that makes sense. Waiting for his defense now.


Actually, why do you need his defense in this situation to draw a conclusion? Past experience would show you usually come to your own conclusions in a proactive way instead of being somewhat passive



That's not a call for a vote XD, that's asking for an explanation why you didn't draw your own conclusions. And that post was technically AFTER your vote

That's not the point though, because when you wrote it you believed I didn't vote yet. Anyway I don't believe it means anything.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 24 2015 17:03 GMT
#367
On July 25 2015 02:00 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 01:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 25 2015 01:51 ruXxar wrote:
On July 25 2015 01:45 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 25 2015 01:33 ruXxar wrote:
Typical mafia play, attack my person and character in an attempt to diminish the validity of my opinion.


Can I just point out this shitty play for you all? If we're trying to create a good town atmosphere you're supposed to accept what people say and bounce thoughts off of others to create a productive atmosphere. Statements like these just brushes other's thoughts away creating a shitty atmosphere. smh ruXxar. Alright I'm done with bashing him for now.


On July 25 2015 01:33 ruXxar wrote:
Typical mafia play, attack my person and character in an attempt to diminish the validity of my opinion.


So you're saying this statement is causing is causing worse town atmosphere than this?

On July 25 2015 01:24 MoosyDoosy wrote:
even if he's a shit player the least he can do since he signed up is try and participate rather than spam useless poetry. Which is why I've been pulling his teeth and trying to get him to fucking participate although I doubt he's going to provide anything useful anyway.

As for your argument LOL. The reason why I'm going to take particular care in looking at your posts is because I hold a grudge over your worthless play in our first newbie game together.


On July 25 2015 01:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Lol yeah you're shit. You ask for my honest opinion of you then spurn it when you dislike what you hear. Give me more bias buddy. Please disillusion yourself more..


The more you talk the more convinced I am that you are mafia.

I'm not afraid to respond in the same way that you've responded to me bb.

If things like these make you think I'm Mafia that just goes further to show you're a shitty player. These things just show how much I dislike you and go in no way to show that I'm Mafia. Continue to build your tunnel tho. It's fun to see you flailing and it just goes to prove how useless you are.


I'm glad you find pleasure in these personal attacks.
I'm sorry to say that it's not an effective way to gain town-cred.

You should try a different approach next mafia game.

If you think that I'm trying to get town-cred with these attacks think again buddy. I don't think I'll exactly change this approach next Mafia game either. Since this is your second game in a row where you're tunneling in on me, I feel it's going to become custom where you do it every game and I point out your history of tunneling. And then ofc you still tunnel because you can't do anything else.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 24 2015 17:04 GMT
#368
ruxxar why are you still attacking moosy when the "change in attitude" thing is not true ?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 24 2015 17:12 GMT
#369
On July 25 2015 02:01 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 01:53 Damdred wrote:
On July 25 2015 01:52 Rels wrote:
On July 25 2015 01:48 Damdred wrote:
On July 25 2015 01:47 Rels wrote:
On July 25 2015 01:39 Damdred wrote:
On July 24 2015 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 24 2015 10:07 Breshke wrote:
On July 24 2015 09:53 Damdred wrote:
Initial reads before anything else happens

Disinformation and Ruxxor are obviously town to me atm, this is subject to change but tone wise and frequency of posting so far lead me in the general direction of duh they are town.

And then my first weird feeling came from this post.


On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:
[quote]

Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day...

And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.-

Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon...

Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him.

Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts...

Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me.

Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation!


This post just smells off to me, it seems like a lot of information doesn't say a lot doesn't draw many conclussions and gives the thought of doing a lot of things while doing nothing at the same time. Giving him a scum lean even this early

Breshke is also a bit odd so far, the questions without other opinions just strikes me a bit funny.


Ehh my question to barakos was just making sure he wasnt trying to say rayns thing was scummy. The ruxxar one I am still kind of waiting for a reply.

So it starts with this

On July 24 2015 07:40 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:36 n00bKing wrote:
I'll keep posting this at the start of each game, until people actually start following it. From the General Guide on how to play:

[quote]
Not totally sure that ruXxar is in violation yet. But...it kinda seems like it.

He knows that some of us have seen him play as both allegiances already, so I'm not a fan of him making this wild change in his posting style. It could serve as a decent smokescreen.


Ah, but my goal is clear and simple.
Discussion must flow for alignments to be revealed.

When making unorthodox comments you gain traction and arouse thoughts.
Am I scum, am I town?

As you judge me, I judge you.
A dead thread benefits no one.

Let your thoughts flow unfiltered and you have nothing to fear.


The ye olde play of ill do weird shit to get people to talk about my weird shit then get reads off said people. Except noobking (in a roundabout way but still fairly obvious) that this could be a decent smokescreen for ruxxar infering that he thinks ruxxar is doing this as scum. So ruxxar got what he wanted and someone is talking about his stuff yet when asked to give a read on noobking he dodges it.

On July 24 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:
[quote]

It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read?

I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking?


A read from a sentence?
What do I analyze, the tone, the cadence, the befriending emoticon?
The timing, his motivation, his meta?

A sentence says so little yet says so much if you but know what to look for.

I will not pass judgement on n00b yet, but you nocturne, you have showed your true colors.
The natural curiosity, the spontaneous doubt, your inquisitive nature and your non-hesitation to share with us of your life.
I read you clear as a book.

Your alignment is town.


While saying that there is not enough to read noob off of yet is a fair point. Yet doing the play where he makes weird posts at the start of the game i expect ruxxar to peruse those reads and he doesn't do this with noobking. His only other post directed towards noobking are complaining that he can not read him. I don't see evidence of him trying to work out noobkings alignment from reactions to his openings or other means which I feel is contradictory to the first post i quoted.

I think ruxxar is scum

Also i would like to add that i think noobkings smokescreen post was really townie because it showed paranoia to me which i feel like is hard to fake as mafia.

Ooooh boy this post. This post this post this post. You might be onto something here Damdred.


This is a general pocket post, it happened shrug.

I'm not sure how I encouraged you to vote him?

OK you're alright. (=


how did I encourage you again

I felt you pushed me to vote moosy with this post:
On July 25 2015 00:50 Damdred wrote:
On July 25 2015 00:46 Rels wrote:
On July 25 2015 00:39 ruXxar wrote:
On July 25 2015 00:32 Rels wrote:
On July 25 2015 00:27 ruXxar wrote:
Don't like moosy at all:

To breshke:
Have you played with ruXxar before? When he's townie he posts a lot of filler posts although his townie tone is glaringly obvious. He also never makes firm cases and mostly sheeps cases although he sometimes points out things no one else noticed. So it's not uncommon for him to not post alignments and just create conversation with others. It's mostly up to us to start making reads based off the conversation he starts. So he never really makes alignment reads.
And anyway, even if you expected him to give his alignment reads (which isn't what he really does)
To be brutally honest, I can honestly see ruXxar not getting any reads off of his poetry spam


To me:
I still hate you. Spot spouting poetry shit and get to business you fool. Traps D1 like this are so bad it's ridiculous. It's completely dependent on the Mafia making a slip while people jump on your wagon. In either case, no one is taking you seriously at this point because of your poetry nonsense so you might as well just stop at this point. It's the last few hours we have. Get down to business.
Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads


Lynch with fire.

I don't see any arguments in this "lynch-with-fire" case.


Complete change in attitude about my play.

To breshke: "Stop attacking ruxxar for not giving reads, he doesn't do that, it's our job to do that, it's his normal town meta.".
To me: "You idiot, start making some reads"

OK that makes sense. Waiting for his defense now.


Actually, why do you need his defense in this situation to draw a conclusion? Past experience would show you usually come to your own conclusions in a proactive way instead of being somewhat passive



That's not a call for a vote XD, that's asking for an explanation why you didn't draw your own conclusions. And that post was technically AFTER your vote

That's not the point though, because when you wrote it you believed I didn't vote yet. Anyway I don't believe it means anything.


Actually it matters a lot, you just said something that isn't true at all and trying to move it under the rug. You 100% said that I pushed you to vote moosey when in fact my post was asking why you weren't drawing your own conclussions and being proactive came AFTER you had already voted moosey.

and now you have unvoted moosy when basically nothing has changed. This is interesting.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 24 2015 17:14 GMT
#370
Alright will be on my phone until tomorrow, so you would be lovely to not make me quote things! (=
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 24 2015 17:15 GMT
#371
On July 25 2015 02:04 Rels wrote:
ruxxar why are you still attacking moosy when the "change in attitude" thing is not true ?


Look here:

On July 24 2015 12:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Either way, I think we can both agree that we'll have to see how ruXxar acts from here on out and judge from there. Which will be easy because I'll be suspecting him hard if he doesn't start posting a shit ton like he normally does. And I'm going to take an especially hard look at him for reasons I stated before.

Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads


He says he is going to suspect me if I don't spam.
And when I spam he says "stop spamming"?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 24 2015 17:17 GMT
#372
On July 25 2015 02:12 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 02:01 Rels wrote:
On July 25 2015 01:53 Damdred wrote:
On July 25 2015 01:52 Rels wrote:
On July 25 2015 01:48 Damdred wrote:
On July 25 2015 01:47 Rels wrote:
On July 25 2015 01:39 Damdred wrote:
On July 24 2015 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 24 2015 10:07 Breshke wrote:
On July 24 2015 09:53 Damdred wrote:
Initial reads before anything else happens

Disinformation and Ruxxor are obviously town to me atm, this is subject to change but tone wise and frequency of posting so far lead me in the general direction of duh they are town.

And then my first weird feeling came from this post.


[quote]

This post just smells off to me, it seems like a lot of information doesn't say a lot doesn't draw many conclussions and gives the thought of doing a lot of things while doing nothing at the same time. Giving him a scum lean even this early

Breshke is also a bit odd so far, the questions without other opinions just strikes me a bit funny.


Ehh my question to barakos was just making sure he wasnt trying to say rayns thing was scummy. The ruxxar one I am still kind of waiting for a reply.

So it starts with this

On July 24 2015 07:40 ruXxar wrote:
[quote]

Ah, but my goal is clear and simple.
Discussion must flow for alignments to be revealed.

When making unorthodox comments you gain traction and arouse thoughts.
Am I scum, am I town?

As you judge me, I judge you.
A dead thread benefits no one.

Let your thoughts flow unfiltered and you have nothing to fear.


The ye olde play of ill do weird shit to get people to talk about my weird shit then get reads off said people. Except noobking (in a roundabout way but still fairly obvious) that this could be a decent smokescreen for ruxxar infering that he thinks ruxxar is doing this as scum. So ruxxar got what he wanted and someone is talking about his stuff yet when asked to give a read on noobking he dodges it.

On July 24 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:
[quote]

A read from a sentence?
What do I analyze, the tone, the cadence, the befriending emoticon?
The timing, his motivation, his meta?

A sentence says so little yet says so much if you but know what to look for.

I will not pass judgement on n00b yet, but you nocturne, you have showed your true colors.
The natural curiosity, the spontaneous doubt, your inquisitive nature and your non-hesitation to share with us of your life.
I read you clear as a book.

Your alignment is town.


While saying that there is not enough to read noob off of yet is a fair point. Yet doing the play where he makes weird posts at the start of the game i expect ruxxar to peruse those reads and he doesn't do this with noobking. His only other post directed towards noobking are complaining that he can not read him. I don't see evidence of him trying to work out noobkings alignment from reactions to his openings or other means which I feel is contradictory to the first post i quoted.

I think ruxxar is scum

Also i would like to add that i think noobkings smokescreen post was really townie because it showed paranoia to me which i feel like is hard to fake as mafia.

Ooooh boy this post. This post this post this post. You might be onto something here Damdred.


This is a general pocket post, it happened shrug.

I'm not sure how I encouraged you to vote him?

OK you're alright. (=


how did I encourage you again

I felt you pushed me to vote moosy with this post:
On July 25 2015 00:50 Damdred wrote:
On July 25 2015 00:46 Rels wrote:
On July 25 2015 00:39 ruXxar wrote:
On July 25 2015 00:32 Rels wrote:
On July 25 2015 00:27 ruXxar wrote:
Don't like moosy at all:

To breshke:
Have you played with ruXxar before? When he's townie he posts a lot of filler posts although his townie tone is glaringly obvious. He also never makes firm cases and mostly sheeps cases although he sometimes points out things no one else noticed. So it's not uncommon for him to not post alignments and just create conversation with others. It's mostly up to us to start making reads based off the conversation he starts. So he never really makes alignment reads.
And anyway, even if you expected him to give his alignment reads (which isn't what he really does)
To be brutally honest, I can honestly see ruXxar not getting any reads off of his poetry spam


To me:
I still hate you. Spot spouting poetry shit and get to business you fool. Traps D1 like this are so bad it's ridiculous. It's completely dependent on the Mafia making a slip while people jump on your wagon. In either case, no one is taking you seriously at this point because of your poetry nonsense so you might as well just stop at this point. It's the last few hours we have. Get down to business.
Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads


Lynch with fire.

I don't see any arguments in this "lynch-with-fire" case.


Complete change in attitude about my play.

To breshke: "Stop attacking ruxxar for not giving reads, he doesn't do that, it's our job to do that, it's his normal town meta.".
To me: "You idiot, start making some reads"

OK that makes sense. Waiting for his defense now.


Actually, why do you need his defense in this situation to draw a conclusion? Past experience would show you usually come to your own conclusions in a proactive way instead of being somewhat passive



That's not a call for a vote XD, that's asking for an explanation why you didn't draw your own conclusions. And that post was technically AFTER your vote

That's not the point though, because when you wrote it you believed I didn't vote yet. Anyway I don't believe it means anything.


Actually it matters a lot, you just said something that isn't true at all

What the fuck. I said I felt you encouraged me to vote him. Which is still how I feel BTW, I just feel it is not the big deal it was. It doesn't matter if you made the post in question before or after I voted, since when you wrote it you didn't know I voted.

I also thought I caught you on a slip and that you were passingly pushing moosy. This part is actually false since you had a reason to say he tried to pocket you.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 24 2015 17:20 GMT
#373
On July 25 2015 02:15 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 02:04 Rels wrote:
ruxxar why are you still attacking moosy when the "change in attitude" thing is not true ?


Look here:

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On July 24 2015 12:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Either way, I think we can both agree that we'll have to see how ruXxar acts from here on out and judge from there. Which will be easy because I'll be suspecting him hard if he doesn't start posting a shit ton like he normally does. And I'm going to take an especially hard look at him for reasons I stated before.

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Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads


He says he is going to suspect me if I don't spam.
And when I spam he says "stop spamming"?

First, he's not suspecting you.

Second, I think what he's saying is "post more useful stuff".
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 24 2015 17:28 GMT
#374
On July 25 2015 02:20 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 02:15 ruXxar wrote:
On July 25 2015 02:04 Rels wrote:
ruxxar why are you still attacking moosy when the "change in attitude" thing is not true ?


Look here:

On July 24 2015 12:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Either way, I think we can both agree that we'll have to see how ruXxar acts from here on out and judge from there. Which will be easy because I'll be suspecting him hard if he doesn't start posting a shit ton like he normally does. And I'm going to take an especially hard look at him for reasons I stated before.

Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads


He says he is going to suspect me if I don't spam.
And when I spam he says "stop spamming"?

First, he's not suspecting you.

Second, I think what he's saying is "post more useful stuff".

It doesn't matter either way. He never stops tunneling.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 24 2015 17:30 GMT
#375
On July 25 2015 02:20 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 02:15 ruXxar wrote:
On July 25 2015 02:04 Rels wrote:
ruxxar why are you still attacking moosy when the "change in attitude" thing is not true ?


Look here:

On July 24 2015 12:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Either way, I think we can both agree that we'll have to see how ruXxar acts from here on out and judge from there. Which will be easy because I'll be suspecting him hard if he doesn't start posting a shit ton like he normally does. And I'm going to take an especially hard look at him for reasons I stated before.

Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads


He says he is going to suspect me if I don't spam.
And when I spam he says "stop spamming"?

First, he's not suspecting you.

Second, I think what he's saying is "post more useful stuff".


Doesn't matter that he's not suspecting me.
The point is that when I perform the actions that are supposed to make me towny in his eyes his reaction is "why the fuck are you doing this" instead of "oh that's the town ruxx I know".

What he wants to say doesn't help the fact that he contradicted himself 100% in the way he interacted with breshke and the way he interacted with me.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
July 24 2015 17:32 GMT
#376
Okay. Back home from work. Caught up to the thread. Have like 12 tabs open with posts I want to point out/respond to. Please feel free to ask any questions, if you have any.

I also super duper dislike MoosyDoosy's use of language here...
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 24 2015 17:34 GMT
#377
On July 25 2015 02:32 disformation wrote:
Okay. Back home from work. Caught up to the thread. Have like 12 tabs open with posts I want to point out/respond to. Please feel free to ask any questions, if you have any.

I also super duper dislike MoosyDoosy's use of language here...

Sorry will tone down the curses.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 24 2015 17:44 GMT
#378
Call out to sulfurus:

Do something. Give me input on stuff.
I know you, you know me.

If you are mafia just tell me right now so I don't have to townread you.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
July 24 2015 17:46 GMT
#379
On July 24 2015 18:49 Barakos wrote:
[...]
What I want to point out is disformations behavior.

He has several posts (see spoilers below), saying he has shadowed player X in that game and player Y in this game and will reread all those games to get a read on ruxxar because his tone is so completely different from the other games.
But when I come into the thread with fluff (something I never did in NSM X, where he played with me for the entire game), he doesn't pick it up at all and sees no difference in my behavior, even though he claims to be looking for meta-hints and stuff like that. The only thing he did was putting me to null and saying he wants to see more of me.

This inconsistency makes me put him in the scum-corner for now.

+ Show Spoiler +

On July 24 2015 08:21 disformation wrote:
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On July 24 2015 08:13 n00bKing wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:06 disformation wrote:
Eh, I like this style/tone a lot more than the one he had in his two previous games.

Meaning Himalayas and Gaiden, where he was scum? I didn't play in either of those games. How would you summarize his style/tone in them?


Yes, I was shadowing a town player (Onegu in Himalayas and Half the Sky in Gaiden).
Both games were pretty long, ruxXar's filters are 13 and 25 pages respectively so it is not that easy to summarize. But what I can remember: while he is good at marking arguments and sounding logically his posts often sound preachy. I also remember disliking a bunch of his posts in Himalayas because he was pretty aggressive/pushy with them.
Will possibly reread his filters from both games at a later stage of this game.

On July 24 2015 08:34 disformation wrote:
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On July 24 2015 08:18 ruXxar wrote:
Then I will be honored to be in your company.
Draw your pitch fork and stand by my side.


Haven't even bothered to figure out where I put my pitchfork yet. But after shadowing a bunch of games where town lost, I believe a bit of scepticism to be very healthy.

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On July 24 2015 08:18 ruXxar wrote:
Together we will banish the non-believers known as scum.
Do not betray me or your faith will be sealed.
Stay true to the one belief you must keep in your heart and repeat this mantra in the darkest hours:

I am town.


Do I smell a thinly veiled threat?

Also currently skimming through your Himalayas for the posts I remember disliking. And I have to say that your play was pretty damn good. Like your interactions with HF for example.


On July 24 2015 10:15 disformation wrote:
Going to bed. Hope I can sleep in this heat. -.-

Where I currently stand:
Breshke: Asking questions. Let us see what he does when he gets answers.
NocturneMage: Seems like an eager player trying to figure out how forum mafia works. Seems curious/inquisitive. town lean.
ruxXar: Basically opened up the thread with stuff to talk about. A lot of null stuff. Slight town as result.
n00bKing: did a few things for town cred. Unfortunately both(*) were super easy for mafia to do, too. So null.
barakos: hmmm... lets call it null for now. Want to see more from him.

Damdred: Just read his strong entry (his 2nd post). Like the post.
Also want to note that I shadowed town!Damdred in Holy Guardians Chapter 1 and he was mafia in Gaiden (where I shadowed town!HtS). So I might look into these two games later on. I remember his reads/thought progression to be very reasonable as town, so might pay extra attention to that. Town read as of now.

(*): a) asking me about ruxxars previous games. b) pointing out that I am unable to count.

PS: Also my 3rd game here. :D


Okay, pointing out this inconsistency is fair enough.
But I am quite confused as to why he gave me such a hard scumread for that... maybe to make sure I respond to this? Maybe he wanted to divert attention away from him, I think a few people called him scum just a page or two earlier? Anyway not a huge fan.

Okay, why did I point out stuff with ruxXar and Damdred? Because I was sorta involved with them in two games each. I only "know" barakos from one game (NSM X).
What do I remember barakos for from that game?
  • He was shot one night. N3 maybe?
  • At one point I thought there might be scum between boxerfred and barakos.
  • I had to look up his name a few times, because for some reason I always want to put an additional letter in there. Like barakdos.

And that's it... I think barakos and me had not much interaction/conversation in that game. So I have trouble remembering him. Don't remember much of Rels either, since he was shot super early. Remember having a hard town read on Rels, that is it. I remember a lot of the people I had interactions with or that were alive very long (boxerfred/sicklucker/27ninjabunnies/ticktock) and I remember Sulfurus, because I had a super wrong scum read on him. I remember Breshke because I was about to post a mad case on him and claimed cop. Then I looked at my case and realized all the things that bugged me made a lot of sense if he was cop.
Since I remember so little of barakos maybe I should follow Rels question:
On July 24 2015 18:29 Rels wrote:
Leaving to eat very soon. To the guy or girl reading this:

If you are ruxxar, rayn, moosy or a host I asked you a question and would very much like an answer.

If you played or read Newbie X, I would like to have your thoughts on Barakos' filter compared to Newbie X.

And whoever you are, I would like to have your thoughts about my post on NocturneMage.

And read Barakos filter from NSM X again. xD
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 24 2015 17:47 GMT
#380
On July 25 2015 02:34 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 02:32 disformation wrote:
Okay. Back home from work. Caught up to the thread. Have like 12 tabs open with posts I want to point out/respond to. Please feel free to ask any questions, if you have any.

I also super duper dislike MoosyDoosy's use of language here...

Sorry will tone down the curses.

Thank you.

What are you doing Damdred?
table for two on a tv tray
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