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On July 30 2015 06:04 Rels wrote:ruxx. Beginning to sleep here. Make him answer my questions if I do. Especially this one. Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 05:54 Rels wrote:On July 30 2015 05:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:No cop would and should waste a check on n00bKing because he is town. Also, it was able to be deduced that scott was cop for reasons that I stated before. n00bKing obviously didn't want to disclose this information so that Mafia would figure it out and he IN FACT warned me when I posted my reasoning for why scott should be town. You are saying noobking knew scott was cop during D2, before the showdown at EOD. Confirm ?
I'm going to bed myself too soon. Been getting 4 hours of sleep last 3 days.
We're definitely on the right track here though.
I'll see you tomorrow, good night 
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On July 30 2015 05:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 05:05 ruXxar wrote:On July 30 2015 05:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 30 2015 05:00 ruXxar wrote:On July 30 2015 04:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 30 2015 04:47 ruXxar wrote:On July 30 2015 04:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 30 2015 04:40 ruXxar wrote:On July 30 2015 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
he is obviously a smart guy.
he is not playing smart.
i cant explain it better. Exactly this. His push on rels was so bad I couldn't believe n00bking is doing this. BULLSHIT. Remember our first Mafia game together. LOL. THAT game was a prime example of n00bKing with his confirmation bias at work. However even if he's guilty of having confirmation bias your's is 100x worse. n00bking played a million times better in our last newbie game than he did this game imo. I could actually understand his logic that game. i gained tremendous respect for n00bking after that game even if he just lived for 1 day. This game he's literally throwing that image in the trash. I see the same things in both games. He has confirmation bias on a few people, is a bit overeager to pressure some over others, and his wordiness is kicking in when he's trying to explain something. It's just that your bias for Rels is kicking in and is shading n00bKing in a bad light while putting n00bKing in our first game into a better light. If you go back and read that game, you can see all the traits still carried over into this one. But then again you won't read it because you're dumb. And even if you DO read it, your confirmation bias will just kick in and refuse to accept that fact. How about you go on and explain n00bkings statement on rels which you apparently had no problem understanding. There's no point in answering you unless someone asks the same question. On July 27 2015 17:59 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 17:57 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:50 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 17:47 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:26 Rels wrote:
Wow this is ridiculous. That is WIFOM, not worse than WIFOM. Look at these possibility:
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noobking is a mafia (not GF). Rels said he was going to check noobking. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoid a red check.
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Flexes is mafia. Rels said he was going to shoot Flexes. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoir a mafia kill. Those are not reasonable "possibilities." If Flexes is Scum, and knows there is a Vigilante in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be shot by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Vigilante, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). The second scenario is particularly ludicrous, because you're trying to tell me that after I spent Day 1 and Night 1 painting you as a suspect, I then up and ROLEBLOCKED you, in a game where there is a guaranteed Scum roleblocker but no possibility of a Town roleblocker. ??? I agree that if you are mafia, it's bad for you to roleblock me (or kill me). BUT if you know there is a cop in the setup, you have no choice but to do that. Bad situation but wifomable > red check. lol, NONSENSE. What didn't you understand about "If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town)."? I don't understand. You are saying: - I'm probably not the cop - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you I don't understand why you are saying that. Especially the second part. How about now? This won't make a difference because you'll use some form of confirmation bias but I'll give it a shot. n00bKing has been widely regarded as town until you two started piling shit on him after D2. No cop would and should waste a check on n00bKing because he is town. Also, it was able to be deduced that scott was cop for reasons that I stated before. n00bKing obviously didn't want to disclose this information so that Mafia would figure it out and he IN FACT warned me when I posted my reasoning for why scott should be town. However this ended up not mattering because Damdred made everyone pile votes on scott which made him role claim. ...Is that simple enough?
N00bking, what do you think of this post? Checks out right?
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On July 30 2015 06:53 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 06:14 ruXxar wrote:
N00bking, what do you think of this post? Not impressed. He doesn't even touch on the common sense truth that the reason we know Rels the Cop would never turn in a check on me on Night 1 is because he said that's exactly what he would do if he was the Cop, and gave no alternate suggestions. I have never seen an investigative role do something like that. I WILL never see an investigative role do something like that. If Rels is the Cop, I'm not getting checked on Night 1. PERIOD.
So he also didn't get your point.
That's 3/3 that don't get it.
What did you think of this part? Did you in fact warn moosy that scott was cop?
Also, it was able to be deduced that scott was cop for reasons that I stated before. n00bKing obviously didn't want to disclose this information so that Mafia would figure it out and he IN FACT warned me when I posted my reasoning for why scott should be town. However this ended up not mattering because Damdred made everyone pile votes on scott which made him role claim.
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n00bking - roleblocker
Moosy - godfather.
Ship it.
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On July 30 2015 07:09 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 07:02 ruXxar wrote:On July 30 2015 06:53 n00bKing wrote:On July 30 2015 06:14 ruXxar wrote:
N00bking, what do you think of this post? Not impressed. He doesn't even touch on the common sense truth that the reason we know Rels the Cop would never turn in a check on me on Night 1 is because he said that's exactly what he would do if he was the Cop, and gave no alternate suggestions. I have never seen an investigative role do something like that. I WILL never see an investigative role do something like that. If Rels is the Cop, I'm not getting checked on Night 1. PERIOD. So he also didn't get your point. He never said he doesn't get that point. He just doesn't touch on it. Maybe he thought that part didn't need to be mentioned. You know...because it's common sense. Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 07:02 ruXxar wrote:What did you think of this part? Did you in fact warn moosy that scott was cop? Also, it was able to be deduced that scott was cop for reasons that I stated before. n00bKing obviously didn't want to disclose this information so that Mafia would figure it out and he IN FACT warned me when I posted my reasoning for why scott should be town. However this ended up not mattering because Damdred made everyone pile votes on scott which made him role claim.
Gee, I guess I shouldn't talk about that, huh? Did you forget AGAIN that only Scum could be sure there won't be another Cop claim? If you want to claim Scum, there are easier ways to do it.
I asked him to SPECIFICIALLY to explain your statement on rels, so that we plebs could understand. And he failed HARD.
The fact that you don't scum-read him for that beyondworldly horrible post is confirming you as his mafia buddy.
You can concede now if you want to. I won't think worse of you for it.
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On July 30 2015 07:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 07:51 disformation wrote:Back. sry 4 being late. I dislike a lot of posts from today evening. I go like "I am not sure if all 2 mafia are in NM/Sulf/Breshke. Maybe 1 of MD or n00bKing is scum." On July 30 2015 01:47 n00bKing wrote:On July 30 2015 01:29 disformation wrote:
Not sure why MoosyDoosy singled me out like this when like half the players have a list very similar to mine. Like Damdred just posted his version 1 page ago. Pocketing/Buddying attempt? Prolly getting paranoid.
Getting less sure about Breshke and Sulfurus.
Is it NocturneMage and 1 of n00bKIng or MoosyDoosy? How would it be possible for me to be Scum, disformation? How can that reality exist, given the way that the game has played out? Are you just going to plaster a big "WIFOM" sticker over every single instance where I've done something that is detrimental to the Scum win condition? I knew Ticktock had to be Town because he and I had been step-for-step so much of the way, and there's NO chance that a Scum Ticktock plays against his own agenda so many times, in so many ways. There isn't enough WIFOM in the world to explain away all the things that he did (and I've done) that would have brought the Mafia closer to defeat, if either of us were on the team. I would really like to hear someone explain why, if I were Mafia, I would continuously be putting the dagger in my own heart. Is there even any theory at all for how that's possible, that can't simply be summarized as "WIFOM" and nothing more? This post has 0 content. Of course it is possible for him to be scum. I could be scum, too. Damdred could be scum. On July 30 2015 03:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anyone thinks that Rels + n00bKing isn't your townie shit fight they need to go kill themselves.
And don't make me disappointed in you disformation...I already said that I do attempt to pocket towns for my townie circle and I've been doing that this whole game except with ruXxar.
Also, if anyone thinks that I was intentionally playing scummy af because I'm Godfather, they need to clean their eyes. Bashing ruXxar is pretty standard because he is dumb and I always say things like I'm Mafia. If you want to go at that angle then you also have to take into account both ruXxar and Tictock who also did suspicious things and lynch them as well. Oh wait, we already lynched Tictock. And look how THAT turned out. lol
Will add disappointment to my sig. Tempted to ask LS to give you a warning for the first line of the post. On July 30 2015 04:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:
You know what I fucking give up. rayn is tunneled on n00bKing, Rels and ruXxar are gonna sheep him, rayn's gonna force disformation into voting for n00bKing again, Sulf/Breshke/Mage where the Mafia is at are going to happily sheep the case, and the game will just go downhill from there. On July 30 2015 04:45 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Like literally the only chance this town is saved is if Damdred or disformation speak up because the rest of the town is dumb as fuck. What is the point of this posts? Tempted to lynch you, so I don't have to read high quality posts like these again. Go ahead. Vote for me for my "high quality posts". Because that's exactly what they are but none of you will read them. *shrugs* Let's see where this gets you all.
How about you address the posts directed at you on the last page?
On July 30 2015 05:54 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 05:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:No cop would and should waste a check on n00bKing because he is town. Also, it was able to be deduced that scott was cop for reasons that I stated before. n00bKing obviously didn't want to disclose this information so that Mafia would figure it out and he IN FACT warned me when I posted my reasoning for why scott should be town. You are saying noobking knew scott was cop during D2, before the showdown at EOD. Confirm ?
On July 30 2015 05:59 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 05:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:n00bKing obviously didn't want to disclose this information so that Mafia would figure it out and he IN FACT warned me when I posted my reasoning for why scott should be town. When was that ?
On July 30 2015 06:02 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 05:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 30 2015 05:05 ruXxar wrote:On July 30 2015 05:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 30 2015 05:00 ruXxar wrote:On July 30 2015 04:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 30 2015 04:47 ruXxar wrote:On July 30 2015 04:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 30 2015 04:40 ruXxar wrote:On July 30 2015 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
he is obviously a smart guy.
he is not playing smart.
i cant explain it better. Exactly this. His push on rels was so bad I couldn't believe n00bking is doing this. BULLSHIT. Remember our first Mafia game together. LOL. THAT game was a prime example of n00bKing with his confirmation bias at work. However even if he's guilty of having confirmation bias your's is 100x worse. n00bking played a million times better in our last newbie game than he did this game imo. I could actually understand his logic that game. i gained tremendous respect for n00bking after that game even if he just lived for 1 day. This game he's literally throwing that image in the trash. I see the same things in both games. He has confirmation bias on a few people, is a bit overeager to pressure some over others, and his wordiness is kicking in when he's trying to explain something. It's just that your bias for Rels is kicking in and is shading n00bKing in a bad light while putting n00bKing in our first game into a better light. If you go back and read that game, you can see all the traits still carried over into this one. But then again you won't read it because you're dumb. And even if you DO read it, your confirmation bias will just kick in and refuse to accept that fact. How about you go on and explain n00bkings statement on rels which you apparently had no problem understanding. There's no point in answering you unless someone asks the same question. On July 27 2015 17:59 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 17:57 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:50 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 17:47 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:26 Rels wrote:
Wow this is ridiculous. That is WIFOM, not worse than WIFOM. Look at these possibility:
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noobking is a mafia (not GF). Rels said he was going to check noobking. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoid a red check.
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Flexes is mafia. Rels said he was going to shoot Flexes. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoir a mafia kill. Those are not reasonable "possibilities." If Flexes is Scum, and knows there is a Vigilante in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be shot by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Vigilante, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). The second scenario is particularly ludicrous, because you're trying to tell me that after I spent Day 1 and Night 1 painting you as a suspect, I then up and ROLEBLOCKED you, in a game where there is a guaranteed Scum roleblocker but no possibility of a Town roleblocker. ??? I agree that if you are mafia, it's bad for you to roleblock me (or kill me). BUT if you know there is a cop in the setup, you have no choice but to do that. Bad situation but wifomable > red check. lol, NONSENSE. What didn't you understand about "If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town)."? I don't understand. You are saying: - I'm probably not the cop - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you I don't understand why you are saying that. Especially the second part. How about now? This won't make a difference because you'll use some form of confirmation bias but I'll give it a shot. n00bKing has been widely regarded as town until you two started piling shit on him after D2. No cop would and should waste a check on n00bKing because he is town. Also, it was able to be deduced that scott was cop for reasons that I stated before. n00bKing obviously didn't want to disclose this information so that Mafia would figure it out and he IN FACT warned me when I posted my reasoning for why scott should be town. However this ended up not mattering because Damdred made everyone pile votes on scott which made him role claim. ...Is that simple enough? Show nested quote +n00bKing has been widely regarded as town until you two started piling shit on him after D2. No cop would and should waste a check on n00bKing because he is town. - Rels called n00bking mafia day 1. So this logic doesn't apply for why rels can't be cop. Show nested quote +Also, it was able to be deduced that scott was cop for reasons that I stated before. n00bKing obviously didn't want to disclose this information so that Mafia would figure it out and he IN FACT warned me when I posted my reasoning for why scott should be town. Really. So why does n00bking say this? Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 06:55 Rels wrote:On July 29 2015 06:55 Rels wrote:On July 29 2015 06:48 n00bKing wrote:
Would lynch Sulfurus. Would also lynch Mage or Breshke, to save Ticktock. Would not be happy about lynching Scott without a CC, but...might still do it, to save Ticktock. That Night Action appeared by magic.
Can any of these things happen? Rayn was just called bad to entertain the idea of lynching a UN cc cop. And you would lynch UN cc cop over another player ? Actually tell me why we should lynch Scott over TT I'm interested. Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 06:58 n00bKing wrote:
Because Scott's Cop claim is illogical, and I know Ticktock is Town. Have you not been reading the thread? Are you trying to convince me that n00bking knew scott was cop? I can't believe what you're saying right now. You are sooo far off base it's unbelievable. Holy shit.
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On July 30 2015 08:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:
What's up ruXxar old buddy?
Not much. Just catching scum, that's all.
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On July 30 2015 08:10 Damdred wrote:
Did anyone besides Scott claiming rb? XD
What did you think of moosys explanation damdred?
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@moosy
1) your explanation of n00bkings statement failed to explain why rels isn't the cop and also failed to explain why he wouldn't check n00bking.
Would you like to try again?
2) you're claiming that n00bking knew that Scott was a cop before he claimed, yet n00bking wanted to lynch Scott after his claim because his claim was illogical.
Do you see how that doesn't make sense?
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On July 30 2015 08:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 08:29 ruXxar wrote:
@moosy
1) your explanation of n00bkings statement failed to explain why rels isn't the cop and also failed to explain why he wouldn't check n00bking.
Would you like to try again?
2) you're claiming that n00bking knew that Scott was a cop before he claimed, yet n00bking wanted to lynch Scott after his claim because his claim was illogical.
Do you see how that doesn't make sense? What's up ruXxar old buddy?
Not much. Just catching scum, that's all.
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On July 30 2015 08:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 08:29 ruXxar wrote:
@moosy
1) your explanation of n00bkings statement failed to explain why rels isn't the cop and also failed to explain why he wouldn't check n00bking.
Would you like to try again?
2) you're claiming that n00bking knew that Scott was a cop before he claimed, yet n00bking wanted to lynch Scott after his claim because his claim was illogical.
Do you see how that doesn't make sense? To be serious, I already explained #1 but you just haven't wrapped your brain around it. As for #2, it's very simple. scott had a likely chance of being PR BEFORE he claimed. However, afterwards, he claimed he said that he had a green check on me. Now the strange thing about this is when you look at the timeline of things. Flexes said he'd make a post then went afk for more than 24 hours. HOWEVER, this means that he had to have put in an action without having followed up on his promise to post reads and not having been active for 24 hours. Which we all found strange because he was replaced by scott. EVEN RAYN pointed this out and we can see his flip flopping before the vote went through. n00bKing also pointed this out (like rayn) which is why he was saying that scott's claim was illogical. So for your simple brain to process #2: BEFORE CLAIM: - scott has likely chance of being PR AFTER CLAIM: - scott says he has green check on me - It's weird that Flexes was able to put in an action because he was inactive for more than 24 hours - scott could have been lying - n00bKing and rayn point this out AFTERWARDS: - no one counter claims -> means that scott has to be cop as weird as it may seem
1) you said that no one would check n00bking because he was universally town read.
He out confirmed town rayn said that n00b was a good cop check.
Our almost confirmed town reels said that n00b was mafia and also a good cop check.
Sulfurus also called n00bking mafia.
I said that n00bkung was playing weird.
So you see, people did have a reason to check n00b.
Nowhere did you explain why specifically rels couldn't be the cop, and why he specifically would not check n00bking.
Even noobking said your post didn't explain it, but nice try.
2) Scott has a likely chance of being pr, but when he claims it's illogical because he put in a check?
How would you have any idea what the situation around flexes was like.
Only LS knows this.
Shouldn't you be exstatic over the fact that you got green checked?
Trying to pull the wifom card on this I could say it's just as likely that he put in a vote in.
But sure, it's definitely worth lynching an un'ccd cop anyway because his claim was illogical.
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On July 30 2015 08:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Have you read all my posts ruXxar. Based on your #2 posting you haven't. If we listened to you then we should have lynched rayn too. Like your reasoning makes no sense.
Except according to you(n00bking has yet to confirm that what you're saying is correct) noob already thought that Scott was cop, so why would he then say his claim is illogical? He should've been expecting it and be happy to see that he was right.
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I'm signing out for the night guys.
Stay strong town, we are on the cusp of winning this.
N00bking + moosy last mafia.
You can write that on my grave stone.
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On July 30 2015 13:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:
So you literally just read what I said wrong 3 times in a row and/or out of context. Like congrats. You're a good townie.
No, he read it exactly the same way as me, and he's on point.
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On July 30 2015 07:09 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 07:02 ruXxar wrote:On July 30 2015 06:53 n00bKing wrote:On July 30 2015 06:14 ruXxar wrote:
N00bking, what do you think of this post? Not impressed. He doesn't even touch on the common sense truth that the reason we know Rels the Cop would never turn in a check on me on Night 1 is because he said that's exactly what he would do if he was the Cop, and gave no alternate suggestions. I have never seen an investigative role do something like that. I WILL never see an investigative role do something like that. If Rels is the Cop, I'm not getting checked on Night 1. PERIOD. So he also didn't get your point. He never said he doesn't get that point. He just doesn't touch on it. Maybe he thought that part didn't need to be mentioned. You know...because it's common sense. Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 07:02 ruXxar wrote:What did you think of this part? Did you in fact warn moosy that scott was cop? Also, it was able to be deduced that scott was cop for reasons that I stated before. n00bKing obviously didn't want to disclose this information so that Mafia would figure it out and he IN FACT warned me when I posted my reasoning for why scott should be town. However this ended up not mattering because Damdred made everyone pile votes on scott which made him role claim.
Gee, I guess I shouldn't talk about that, huh? Did you forget AGAIN that only Scum could be sure there won't be another Cop claim? If you want to claim Scum, there are easier ways to do it.
How about you do talk about it.
Did you try to warn moosy about Scott being a cop, yes or no?
It's a simple question.
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On July 30 2015 07:18 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 07:15 ruXxar wrote:
I asked him to SPECIFICIALLY to explain your statement on rels, so that we plebs could understand. And he failed HARD.
The fact that you don't scum-read him for that beyondworldly horrible post is confirming you as his mafia buddy.
You don't even know what he's saying in that post. But don't worry, if you want to scumread him for it, he'll probably oblige you himself. Back to work. Later, fools!
What IS he saying in that post then?
Give me your interpretation of it.
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Rels, will you play another game after this one?
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On July 30 2015 20:16 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 19:20 ruXxar wrote:
Rels, will you play another game after this one? Sure! Love playing this game (=
^^. Think i'll play another 13 man mafia, more fun than the big games.
Maybe thinking of the cannon game. Looks interesting with new rules!
The desert mafia game is also tempting, but not so full yet.
I'm just hoping to be able to flow from 1 game to the next without waiting too long inbetween
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On July 31 2015 01:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:
We all knew that scott had a chance of being PR. It was stated multiple times by me and others as well. If you hadn't read it then you're doing a bad job as town. As to why we have a PR Rels, go to page 91 where I dunk ruXxar into the ground but he runs away because he can't refute my points there.
Yeah I ran away
On July 30 2015 09:12 ruXxar wrote:
I'm signing out for the night guys.
Stay strong town, we are on the cusp of winning this.
N00bking + moosy last mafia.
You can write that on my grave stone.
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