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Yo sleeping on all of this gave more some thoughts.
Would be willing to switch to NM (weird behaviour EOD2 + AFK now) or Sulfurus (not saying anything D3 then comes in to vote just after diso and damdred starts to push for NM). I agree noobking's attitude makes sense for a townie having a big plan.
BUT
noobking has said multiple times he had info he didn't wish to share to not harm the town.
By this, I suppose he means he knows scott is fake claiming, and he knows who is the real cop. I may be mistaken though.
So, @nookbing. Back in D2, I stopped pushing you because I thought you were cop. I won't do that again. I want you to explain what is that critical information. You're hiding behind that. I don't care if it harms the town or if you out the real cop.
As long as you conceal that info, my vote will stay on you.
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Because the only explanation I see to have scott fakeclaiming is:
- NM is cop
- mafia!scott didn't rb anyone and claimed rb
But the only way noobking would know this is if he was mafia with scott.
Meh. Waiting for noobking answer.
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Don't agree. Point 2 3 and 4 are garbage. Points 1 5 and 6 are strong IMO. Point 1 in particular is very strong is moosy flips green I think.
So post that fucking critical information and we can happily lynch scum after.
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On July 31 2015 17:58 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2015 17:49 Rels wrote:
Don't agree. Point 2 3 and 4 are garbage. Points 1 5 and 6 are strong IMO. Point 1 in particular is very strong is moosy flips green I think. 1 is stronger than 5 and 6. 3 is better than 4, I think. 3 is actually pretty good, unless someone really thinks that having a shouting match with a stranger while I'm trying to play a GAME is my idea of a good time. 2 is the strongest of them all, even over 1. I'll let you get away with not explaining why you think 3 and 4 are garbage. Why is #2 garbage?
Two reasons:
- even if some people were suspicious of you, I was the only one to clearly state I wanted to check only you. In particular I find it hilarious that you mention rayn was suspicious of you, then in point 4 you claim rayn wasn't suspicious almost at all
- once again, if I was cop I would have checked you, so that less that 10% crap is wrong
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On July 31 2015 18:14 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2015 18:04 Rels wrote:
- even if some people were suspicious of you, I was the only one to clearly state I wanted to check only you. In particular I find it hilarious that you mention rayn was suspicious of you, then in point 4 you claim rayn wasn't suspicious almost at all You being the one to state that you would check ONLY me makes you the least likely of the 4 to turn in a check on me. And I said that rayn was paranoid enough to be interested in a Cop check on me on Day 1, but not suspicious enough to want to lynch me on Day 2. That is reasonable. Show nested quote +On July 31 2015 18:04 Rels wrote:
- once again, if I was cop I would have checked you, so that less that 10% crap is wrong Maybe if you were the Cop, you would have checked me. But in that instance, you would NOT have TOLD everyone you were going to check me. Change the "less than 10%" to just "10%" and it's still a comparison between 10% and 100%. There's still nothing to really think about. I can't possibly roleblock you. Here, I'll get rid of the "less than 10%" for you: Show nested quote +Rels had indicated that although roleblocking or killing him WOULD be terrible for a scum n00bKing, maybe I would have felt compelled to do it anyway, just to avoid the threat of him being a Cop that was about to get a redcheck on me. He phrased that like this: Rels wrote: I agree that if you are mafia, it's bad for you to roleblock me (or kill me). BUT if you know there is a cop in the setup, you have no choice but to do that. Bad situation but wifomable > red check. But that's just bad math. Of course there is a choice of not doing that, even IF I think there's a chance that Rels might check me, if he were to be the Cop. Roleblocking/killing Rels has a 100% chance of being bad for me if I'm Scum, because of how him becoming confirmed Town wrecks my credibility as a scum-hunter. Yes, the red check would suck MORE, but Rels becoming confirmed Town absolutely sucks. 100% chance that it sucks. Whereas, the chances of Rels being Cop were only 10%. If I'm Scum and lost Barakos on Day 1, I cannot do something that has a 100% chance of sucking for me. That's not how to make up ground. I have to take that 10% chance of Rels being the Cop and redchecking me (IF I'm the roleblocker and not the Godfather. Otherwise, that 10% chance is 0%.) So this is not a close call. This is not a tough decision. There is NO...WAY that I would roleblock Rels. Can't afford it. Answer to that. And answer to this: Show nested quote +If I roleblock Sulfurus...eliminates him as a strong mislynch candidate. Sucks for me a little, since I had expressed some suspicion of him.
If I roleblock rayn...no problem! This works great! He was the strongest advocate for the Barakos lynch, and was being townread pretty widely.
If I roleblock you (ruXxar)....no problem! This works great! You were already being DumbTown-read pretty widely.
If I roleblock Rels...it WRECKS MY WHOLE FUCKING GAME TO THIS POINT.
If I am Scum, HOW on Earth did that roleblock target get turned in?!! Like I said, defending myself now is just copy & paste.
Easy. I hate these maths stuff 'cause mafia is not a math game. But your math is wrong:
I have 10% chance of being the cop.
If I am the cop I check you 100%.
Chances of check on you: 10%.
XXX has 10% chance of being the cop.
If XXX is the cop he's going to check you < 100%.
Chances of check on you: <10%.
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Now can you answer this ?
On July 31 2015 17:08 Rels wrote:
Yo sleeping on all of this gave more some thoughts.
Would be willing to switch to NM (weird behaviour EOD2 + AFK now) or Sulfurus (not saying anything D3 then comes in to vote just after diso and damdred starts to push for NM). I agree noobking's attitude makes sense for a townie having a big plan.
BUT
noobking has said multiple times he had info he didn't wish to share to not harm the town.
By this, I suppose he means he knows scott is fake claiming, and he knows who is the real cop. I may be mistaken though.
So, @nookbing. Back in D2, I stopped pushing you because I thought you were cop. I won't do that again. I want you to explain what is that critical information. You're hiding behind that. I don't care if it harms the town or if you out the real cop.
As long as you conceal that info, my vote will stay on you.
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On July 31 2015 18:26 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2015 18:19 Rels wrote:
Easy. I hate these maths stuff 'cause mafia is not a math game. But your math is wrong:
I have 10% chance of being the cop.
If I am the cop I check you 100%.
Chances of check on you: 10%.
XXX has 10% chance of being the cop.
If XXX is the cop he's going to check you < 100%.
Chances of check on you: <10%. Maybe you hate these math stuff because you're bad at math? You have 10% chance of being the Cop. If you are the Cop you check me 100% (horseshit, actual chance is 0.00%, but we'll pretend). Chances of a bad result for me: 10% If I roleblock you, chances of a bad result for me: 100% The result of roleblocking Sulfurus is less bad. The result of roleblocking rayn or ruXxar is hardly bad at all. The only disaster, is roleblocking YOU. Show nested quote +n00bKing wrote: If I am Scum, HOW on Earth did that roleblock target get turned in?!!
Yes but only me would realistically check you. And the 10% chances of bad result is 10% of losing the game right there. If think if you were mafia you would take the 100% bad situation over 10% game lost.
And whatever. I don't agree at all it is a point in the favour of you being town. But I think if you were scum you would have attacked Moosy or bus Barakos D1. So stop shitting up the thread with this and answer my fucking request.
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Seriously noobking I hate how you play. Each time you come you shit up the thread with useless posts. If you're mafia OK it's a valid technique; but I'm starting to think your town, and you gotta stop that.
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On July 31 2015 18:38 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2015 18:35 Rels wrote:
Seriously noobking I hate how you play. Each time you come you shit up the thread with useless posts. If you're mafia OK it's a valid technique; but I'm starting to think your town, and you gotta stop that. I'll promise you something, Rels. I promise you don't hate the way I play as much as I hate the way you play.
Fair enough. (=
And I see you don't want to disclose your "critical information". Then you can die. I have nothing more to say.
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On July 31 2015 19:20 Sulfurus wrote:
The semi-confirms Rels and Damdred are at the top of that list especially Damdred since anyone who has directly contributed to mafia getting lynched has no business living that long.
Can you expand on that.
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On July 31 2015 19:20 Sulfurus wrote:# of lynches left: 4 Top 3- NocturneMage (classic newbie scum play: has had trouble making reads and establishing a presence in the thread)
- n00bKing (his big defense post convinced me more than I'd like to admit but I don't feel good about leaving him alive)
- Breshke (POE)
The final lynch is based on who's still alive in final 3 since the "why are you still alive?" logic comes into play.
Can't help but feel you somehow know there is only one scum in this top 3 list.
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The website feels pretty nice. I hate not seeing the timestamps of posts though, is there a way to replace those shitty *3 minutes ago* by actual time ?
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On July 31 2015 22:10 Damdred wrote:
I'm really surprised that you guys didn't react to the most obvious part in that post.
He gives a list of 3 people he thinks could be scum, even explains why...
But then says but I can only lynch noobking today. When we have 2 scum left.
True.
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Are filters not working anymore.
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On July 31 2015 22:23 ruXxar wrote:Its under the post.
Are you talking about quotes, 'cause I sure see no filters under the post.
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Yeah that Sulfurus post is weird.
Though not as weird as noobking claiming he has "critical information" then not delivering it, in a situation where we have one confirmed vet and one claimed cop.
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On July 31 2015 22:31 ruXxar wrote:
Filter works fine for me.
Under people's post there is "Quote -> Report -> Filter"
TL+.
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TL mafia just got P2W. =D
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On July 31 2015 22:42 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2015 22:31 Rels wrote:
Yeah that Sulfurus post is weird.
Though not as weird as noobking claiming he has "critical information" then not delivering it, in a situation where we have one confirmed vet and one claimed cop. Yeah. I think he is damaging town with withholding that information at this point because it makes him super suspicious and all that arguing about him is not helping town at all. -.- If he is town he is a pretty easy misslynch at this point. So I'd rather have him spill the beans soonish. But I think there is a very high chance of at least one of NM or Sulf being scum, so lynching them first would be pretty good.
Yeah but we should pressure him all the same.
If he's town he will say his information.
If he's mafia he will have to make one up, possibly slipping.
I agree with at least one of NM or Sulfu being mafia though. Maybe both.
Not having filter is soooooo horrible. Wanted to check if Breshke was on Sulfu's first mafia list. I think Breshke was town in this list right ?
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@Everyone
Please vote noobking with me as long as if doesn't post his "critical information".
When he does we'll evaluate it and we will have more infos for the lynch.
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