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n00bKing
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On July 29 2015 06:42 Sulfurus wrote: @n00bKing A lot of what you said only applies to your POV and there's a lot of WIFOM (I read what you said about "pure WIFOM" but it doesn't make it any better). Only 3, 6 and 7 have anything to do with my POV. The other six things could be seen and thought about by anyone. | ||
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n00bKing
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Can any of these things happen? | ||
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n00bKing
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*nod* | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 29 2015 06:53 Rels wrote: Furthermore, your explanation on "if rels was cop he wouldn't check the person he SAID HE WOULD CHECK" made no sense. lol, okay ruXxar Jr. You go right ahead with posting one-name suggestion lists for power roles, and then turn in that action if you are that power role. Anyway, looks like my vote is just barking at the moon again, same as my Day 1 vote against Rels. ##Unvote ##Vote: The Moon Would really have liked to lynch Sulfurus today though. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Sulfurus But hey, since Rels has turned stupid again... ##Unvote: ##Vote: Rels Fuck Rels. :D | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 29 2015 06:55 Rels wrote: Actually tell me why we should lynch Scott over TT I'm interested. Because Scott's Cop claim is illogical, and I know Ticktock is Town. Have you not been reading the thread? | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 27 2015 17:31 n00bKing wrote: I already upgraded him from Town to DumbTown. If Ticktock is Scum, I'll eat my hat. Well, I hope you guys are right. But I really think you're wrong. *gets hat ready* | ||
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On July 29 2015 07:11 Rels wrote: Alright getting back to party. Noobking we ll settle this, we have 3 whole days of talk (if you don't kill me)! In the meantime, you better explain fast what you meant by "damaging the town" cause that didn't mean you were cop. We don't need 3 days, I can answer that in one post. And as long as you're tunneled on a wrong target, you won't be getting killed. You're like the Mafia's best friend (again). What was damaging to the Town is my belief that RELS AIN'T NO POWER ROLE in this game. I blue hunt in my Town games, just as surely as in my Scum games. For two reasons. 1) It's good practice for whenever I DO draw a Scum role. 2) If I can figure out which blue role someone is, I can eliminate them as a Scum suspect, even if they aren't contributing to the Town win condition with their posts. Seems like a lot of players don't even think about which player might be a blue role, while they're Town. But I do. And you didn't look like one. At ALL. This is why I was so careful to correct the notion that I had said you weren't Cop or Vigilante. And I said no, I'm only ruling you out as Vig in the scenario where Flexes is Scum. And only ruling you out as Cop in a scenario where I'm Scum. I made sure that ALL other possibilities where you are Vig or Cop are left open. So that the Mafia could still think you're a blue role, even though I was pretty damn sure you weren't. So for me to say you weren't a blue role at that time is damaging to the Town. I can't say that, even though it helps me explain how I know this "n00bKing blocked Rels cuz he might be Cop that was gonna turn in a check him" is ridiculous. It's safe to say it now, because you've already ruled yourself out as one. | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 29 2015 07:23 ruXxar wrote: This doesn't make ANY sense when you've ALREADY said that he can't be cop?!! I DIDN'T. Read what I JUST SAID. When somebody tried to act like I had said Rels isn't the Cop, I was very careful to correct them. And say that Rels could still be Cop in ANY scenario that doesn't involve me being Scum. And that Rels could still be Vigilante in ANY scenario that doesn't involve Flexes being Scum. On July 29 2015 07:23 ruXxar wrote:How can your explanation be damaging UNLESS you are the cop? Again, why did you not read the post you are quoting?? My explanation would have been damaging because it tells the Mafia that Rels isn't a Power Role. Otherwise they still don't know, even though I think *I* know. | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 27 2015 17:30 n00bKing wrote: Oh hey look, you're misrepresenting my position. I am SO surprised. Read it again. I did not eliminate the possibility of the scum team thinking you might be a Cop or Vig. I only eliminated two extremely specific scenarios. One where Flexes is Scum and thinks you're the Vig, and one where I am scum and think you're the Cop. Every other scenario where you're a Vig or Cop can still make sense. There is something else that I really want to add on this topic, which more strongly demonstrates how I'm right and you're wrong, but it should wait until after the game. So, the first underlined portion is me making sure that the Mafia should continue to wonder about whether Rels could still be a Cop or Vigilante. And the second underlined portion...wonder what that could mean? It means that although I'm not going to tip my hand to the Mafia, I'm pretty damn sure that RELS AIN'T NO POWER ROLE. | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 29 2015 07:49 ruXxar wrote: I still don't get it. There's something here that just isn't making sense to me.  Okay, not looking at this game for a few hours, so my head will not asplode. Bye! | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 29 2015 06:42 Breshke wrote: What if moosey was playing scummy as shit to get checked because he is the GF That's a pretty good point, but I hope you're wrong, because if Moosy ever flips Red, then some of the reasons why I cannot be Scum suddenly evaporate. | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 29 2015 07:49 ruXxar wrote: I still don't get it. There's something here that just isn't making sense to me. I guess Im stupid. Can someone other than n00bking explain to me why what he said makes sense? For God's sakes, someone please do this. I avoided the thread for like 7 hours, come back, and no one has done this yet. | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 29 2015 09:13 disformation wrote: So Breshke I have a hard time getting where your reads are currently. Your #1 scum is still MoosyDoosy even with green check? Your #2 scum was Flexes/Scott? You never really said so, but it is implied in your filter. What do you think of the claim? Your #3 scum was TT. If Scott goes uncountered on Day 3, then Breshke's suspect list becomes: #3 - The guy you people just lynched, who flipped Town #2 - The Cop #1 - The Cop's green check I'm not sure how alignment-indicative that is, but it's too funny for me not to comment on it. | ||
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n00bKing
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It's an interesting thing to analyze. His play in this game does not match his play from any of his previous games, of either alignment. Earlier in the game, Sulfurus' play was a pretty near match to his Scum game. These were the thoughts I posted about him in my big "reads on every single player" post during Night 1: + Show Spoiler + Activity level is basically a perfect match for prior Scum games. First post was strange, and his posts have never improved. In his last scum game, his first post was strange, and his posts never improved. The only post of his that doesn't match his Scum games looks like a lazy mimic from his Town game in Newbie X, when he decided he couldn't figure out how to play Townie without being Townie, so he just does some copy & paste work from a game where he was Town. Reads are bad. Volunteers to offer more information about his reads, if anyone asks for it. People ask for information about his more controversial reads, and he fails to offer more information about some of them, while posting additional info about his read that already matched thread sentiment. Every time the dude posts, I do my best to read with an open mind, and then it just ends up being another strike against him. Some of that is still true. He still has some strange posts, and he still has some bad reads. Activity level has picked up a little, at least enough to be more in line with his Town game from Newbie X (not a very high bar to get over). Couple of things in this game that are distinctly different from his Scum games: 1) He's more serious-minded in this game. He didn't seem to care much at all, in those Scum games. You might only get 1 or 2 posts from him the whole way that represent an actual attempt to play the game. Otherwise he's just goofing off. There are comparatively fewer goof-off posts from him here (like, percentage-wise). 2) He was more of a pacifist in his Scum games. If someone seemed to be upset with him, he tried to defuse the situation quickly, and smooth things over. (You'll see a lot of Scum doing that.) But in this game, he has sometimes used a mocking tone or mixed an insult into one of his posts. 3) He didn't seem to play Devil's Advocate so much in his Scum games (this is very minor). There are, however, also some things in this game that are distinctly different from his Town game. Someone earlier said something about how this "looked like Town Sulf's meta" or something like that. No, it doesn't. It's not a match for his prior scum play, but it's not a match for his prior town play either. 1) Some of his posts in his Town game are so boring. I get maybe 2/3 through one of them and I want to skip to the next post, before finishing the one I'm looking at. Because the posts are bland, and he RAMBLES. There aren't boring, rambling posts in his scum games. There aren't boring, rambling posts in this game. He's rather concise in his Scum games (and in this one). 2) Just as his posts are concise in this game, they are also pretty clear. Most of the time, you don't get confused by a post from Sulfurus in this game because you can't figure out what he's saying. You only get confused by a post from Sulfurus in this game because you can't figure out WHY he's saying it. In his Town game, those boring, ramblings posts were fuzzy. People didn't always know what he meant, and they had to ask. 3) In that Town game, when people asked what he meant, he told them! He went ahead and clarified his posts, and explained himself. In this game, we know that there have been times that people didn't understand why he felt a certain way about something. And when they asked for clarification? Zippo. So, meta analysis on Sulfurus comes back fairly close to null. Maybe slightly Scum-indicative, but not as much as it had been earlier in the game. Post analysis is still slightly Scum-indicative, as I've outlined previously, in other comments. Vote count analysis is still slightly Scum-indicative, as (like Ticktock pointed out so long ago) Sulfurus is in one of the 3 players (along with Rels and Breshke) who were sitting in the prime bussing slots during the Barakos lynch. Overall: I think Sulfurus is going to remain in my Top 2 suspects, in a game where there are 2 Scum to find. On July 29 2015 10:22 disformation wrote: Why are you so angry about this? You are discrediting me by telling me to pay attention and call ruXxar dumb. I wasn't angry. That's not what my posts look like when I'm angry.  And I was not discrediting you by telling you to pay attention. I was trying to get you to pay attention by telling you to pay attention. And then you decided that I could be right about it, or that it at least wasn't worth talking about anymore at the time. On July 29 2015 10:22 disformation wrote:Why does it like all this stuff feel like you want to lynch Rels over Barakos? Because I did. And I was never shy about it. So even when I was moving my vote to Barakos, I made it clear that although I thought he was a good lynch, I still thought Rels was the best lynch. And that's not how you bus. I would not say "I'd still rather be lynching Rels than Barakos" if I know Barakos is about to flip Red. That would not help me. On July 29 2015 10:22 disformation wrote: Could still be a bus? n00bKing was rather late on the wagon after all. He was the 7th on this wagon. Too late to the wagon for it to be a bus. 7th (of 8) on the wagon isn't even the most important way that it's too late to the wagon to be a bus. Too late in relation to how much time was left in the Phase. I only made 2 more posts in that Phase after the vote, because nothing else really happened (nor was there reason to think it would). On July 29 2015 10:22 disformation wrote: D2 he starts the train on Sulfurus. Not sure if mafia!n00bKing would boldly start a wagon like this. Wouldn't even make my Top 10 for reasons to think I'm not Mafia, but okay. I did mention earlier that Scum would usually rather hop on wagons than start them, to reduce accountability. On July 29 2015 10:22 disformation wrote: Yeah, he was right. No question. But a few of these things like 1), 3), 5), 6), 7) are either tailored to n00bKing's perspective or kinda WIFOM. Yes, already said that 3, 6 and 7 are much stronger evidence to me than they would be to others. But again, the other six points were available to everyone. The post is not just meant to tell other people why THEY should townread Ticktock. I'm also giving a more thorough explanation of why *I* was townreading Ticktock. For the people townreading ME, my view of Ticktock through the eyes of Town n00bKing is relevant. Call 1 "kinda WIFOM?" Okay, but like it says there, it's still slightly Town-indicative, because it isn't pure WIFOM, because it is self-detrimental if he's Scum. And 5 is even further from true WIFOM. For a Scum player, there's a fork in the road. Bus the hell out of Barakos, or defend the hell out of Barakos. He chooses...neither, really. So he was Town. You can say 2 and 4 and 8 are all WIFOM as well, but I think each one of them is slightly Town-indicative. And I think 9 is pretty heavily Town-indicative, just like 5. | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 29 2015 10:44 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thanks. At least someone is more or less on the same page as me. Seems like you have a few people on that page. Yep, disformation had the same 3 suspects you did. But Damdred and I also have those same 3 (I'm assuming Scott doesn't get counterclaimed. If he does, I would definitely jump him up, probably to the top spot.) | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 29 2015 15:05 Breshke wrote: TT was POE because i was looking outside the list of people that voted on bara. The only people left from that list are Scott - Cop Moosey - Scum and ruxxar who i think is town. I see moosey says i flipped my read on ruxxar to match thread sentiment not really sure where he is getting that from?? I gave my reasons for flipping me read on ruxxar Can you find where you did that, for us? I remember you saying "I don't think ruXxar is Scum anymore" or something like that, but I don't recall where you gave the reasons. | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 29 2015 15:55 ruXxar wrote: N00b insisted he would've gotten moosy lynched for sure if he was mafia. Not so easy when moosy is your partner. I already said that if Moosy ever flips Red, it would increase the chance that I get mislynched. That's why I said I hope Breshke is wrong about Moosy being the GF. On July 29 2015 15:55 ruXxar wrote: Also he was scared as shit of getting cop checked because he's the role blocker. And where would you get the idea that I was scared? Oh, you just made that up because it fits your narrative? Okay then. If you had paid any attention to my play in this game, you might have noticed that there are at least two occasions in which I played like someone who knows he'll pass a Cop check (or that there isn't one). If Moosy flips Godfather, there are two of the ways you can know I'm Town that disappear. But they would be replaced by two ways that you can know I'm not the roleblocker, so it would still be a wash. You are way way up the wrong tree. | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 29 2015 16:00 ruXxar wrote: Re-posts questions to me, on topic where he already asked someone OTHER than me to explain it to him I like your idea better, ruXxar. Now, if no one else comes through, then I'll explain it to you. If there's one thing you have to know, it's that I'll explain to you why I have to be Town, even if there aren't any votes on me anyway. But yes, let's stick with your idea, and have someone else explain it to you. Ideally, that person would be Rels, once he's not drunk anymore... | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 29 2015 23:53 Rels wrote: My god that's exactly my brain if you switch noob and breshke. lol @ how amazed you are that you only had to make one (terrible) change, for your list to match with Damdred's. And Moosy's. And mine. And disformation's. | ||
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