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Tictock
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/obs If this somehow takes a couple weeks to fill I might very well /in instead. | ||
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Tictock
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I mean, who doesn't want to play with Cannons? | ||
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Pre-Game excuse: I'm terrible | ||
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On August 03 2015 03:13 Damdred wrote: I'll 've honest I'll probably buy tl+ soonish to combat the problem however I'll try to come up with something I've been thinking this, but then I feel weird that I'm being forced to pay for a feature that used to be free and that I only intend to use because of these subforums. Not that I think TL is money grabbing here, but still it's weird that a design change to the site removed a feature that was pretty important to a (albeit small) part of their own community. | ||
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Tictock
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Confirmed: Alive and Posting | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/e2rPWhg.jpg) I brought my own Cannon. | ||
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Tictock
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Town's biggest source of info (besides flips obv) is the cannonball count, thus it seems an open and honest atmosphere where we can freely discuss what night actions we took will best aid town. Pros and Cons to this? It also seems to me that since everyone has 3 defends available it will be difficult to push & flip scumreads. However, pushing scum will still force them to defend and not be able to shoot. Thus I think it best that town proceed in an organized and typical fashion to push and flesh out scum slowly, as opposed to us each acting on our own as vigilantes. Discuss. I'm currently Loading my Cannon | ||
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Tictock
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#1 priority for town should still be to hunt for scum. #2 is figuring out how best to use mechanics to our advantage. If town is able to identify scum then the possibility of being shot will prevent scum from shooting as they will be forced to defend. This will effectively prevent mafia from having KP and will buy town time to continue discussing things. There are only 2 real situations in which I see this game being a cluster for town. -If everyone acts alone and shoots whomever they feel like we could very well end up with half the game dead -Everyone decides to shoot the same person and town wastes most if not all our cannonballs The first situation is the one I am most afraid of, and is why I feel town needs to be organized this game. As for why I included the statement about loading my cannon. Simply a choice I made about how I want to approach this game, not at all something I recommend for anyone else to do. Obviously it is best to keep your action a secret until after the phase is over, however we should all freely discuss our actions after the fact to help us determine if there are any inconsistencies with the ball count (indicating mafia tried to pull something). | ||
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How does everyone feel about just defending tonight? Prevents anyone from being killed so town gets more time to try and look for scum. Mafia would probably load up which isn't great but they can still only shoot once per night so it's not that bad either. Thoughts? | ||
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but hey we can talk about stuff too, yea? On August 05 2015 05:47 Fecalfeast wrote: what's the point in saying you're loading your cannon half an hour into the game? FF's only post mean anything? I mean I kinda feel like he missed the point, but it's a semi valid question. He's one of a few people here I have no experience with. | ||
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Did you play in NSM IX? If you weren't in that one I've never played with ya. | ||
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I didn't remember because you were killed N1. | ||
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I brought you up because your first post felt like you were fishing to me, the question kinda answers itself when you think about it. Now you turn up as soon as I mention you, which implies to me that you were lurking with a very slim chance of it just being a grand coincidence. Regardless I'd expect you to be reading and have some thoughts to share about something in the last page. I did even answer your question in a post over there. Yet you seem to have nothing. So unless you have something besides some leading questions to ask me I think I've found our first scum. | ||
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Tictock
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Obi... idk he looks like he's just along for the ride atm. Damdred and Sulf are weak townleans. Onegu has tried to make 0 impact on the game and only cares that he has a cannon to shoot... probably town. No word yet from ShoCkeyy, so who knows. I'm still thinking the best course of action for town is to defend and buy time. You're all gunna do whatever you want to do anyways though so whatever. | ||
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On August 05 2015 18:24 Fecalfeast wrote: Why would you expect that? What about my leading questions and lack of commentary makes me scummy? If your lurking and town, I'd expect you to be reading and thinking about the game. As it stands you seem to not care that I answered your original question, and as soon as I asked about you, you poped up and started deflecting onto me. Maybe I'm just the most interesting person, but I find it a bit odd you have no reactions to anything else thus far. @ShoCkeyy Plots is who suggested everyone load. I suggested everyone defend as an alternate suggestion. I think defending is the superior option for a fair few reasons, the top of which are that it prevents Mafia from being able to kill off any town and would sorta force them into loading. @Obi I mean I have 3 posts to go off of. 2 of them point out the obvious and one is kinda supporting a bad idea. One of the obvious posts was reminding people that mafia can take advantage of people stating their intended actions, probably not something mafia wants to remind people about. Like I said it's kinda weak. | ||
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Tictock
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Who would I be shooting before anyone's posted? Why should I feel the need to defend? The more I thought about about a general plan of action the more I started liking Defending, and especially now I think it's my best option. I think at this point I've probably been the most vocal and taken some stances on people, which naturally paints me as a target. So for me personally, totally defending tonight. As a general plan for town I think it's solid while leaving potential for shenanigans, and is the worst thing for mafia to hear. So yea... I'm currently Defending myself behind my mighty Cannon | ||
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On August 06 2015 05:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Night 2 There are 16 cannonballs remaining. Lol so everyone loaded, interesting. I loaded because I felt like I could sneak it in since nobody should be willing to waste their only shot on on someone claiming to be defending. Honestly I'd assume anyone stating their action is playing for wifom. | ||
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Anyways... Does anyone have any reads? Like if you had to shoot tonight, who would you shoot? | ||
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Any reason in particular your thinking about shooting damdred? I am a bit suprised he didnt try to pull any shenanies or last min discussion before end of phase. | ||
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On August 06 2015 06:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You guys are spineless. What does that make you Obi? I mean you loaded as well... | ||
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Yea, Sulf is pretty town. I kinda liked Sho's entry so kinda leaning town on him. Onegu failed to shoot... disappointing, but doesn't really change my town read on him either. FF is the only one to answer my "who would you shoot" question and I mostly agree with his choices, so I'm gunna assume I just managed to summon him earlier and that leaves me thinking he's town. Obi continues to seem like he's only along for the ride and hasn't even called anyone mafia. Damdred made that one post I liked, but otherwise hasn't done the normal Damdred stuff I've come to expect from him. Plots made one bad suggestion, then followed it up with some decent thinking regarding what it would take for mafia to win. On the one hand that kinda leads me to think he's town... on the other I never did get to lynch him in NSM X and he hasn't posted yet today... I think I want to shoot plots. Damdred and Obi are probably good shots as well. I'm aiming my cannon right at plotspot | ||
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Hey my read on Obi was pretty good. So now we have 1 scum left in five, humm. Probably Sho based on PoE. | ||
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I was going to make a start on that but I'll wait till I get home. For now what we know is that 5 players took shots ( i think we can rule out anyone loading, though its possible they just failed to send in an action) but only 3 players died. So either 2 shots hit players who were defending or they were meant for targets already being shot. More to come... | ||
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On August 07 2015 12:09 Sulfurus wrote: I shot Would like to know who as well... Oh maybe he shot me ^.^ That might explain why he didn't just come out and say it... Still that would mean Sho defended. Interesting, what prompted you to defend Sho? Also I find it a little interesting that Damdred survived. He clearly stated he would be shooting and did, and 2 of the people who died last night said they would shoot Damdred. I did as well but didn't shoot. So lets assume FF shot Obi, and we know Damdred shot FF... maybe Obi shot Onegu? If so why Onegu over Damdred who he said he would... Ehh it's wifom but I can't help but wonder if Obi didn't shoot Damdred because they are mafia... The real question is who did Onegu shoot? I suppose we'll have to wait till post game for that one. Also for now I think it's safer to assume Damdred is town based on Obi saying he'd shoot Damdred. That wifom though... | ||
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Tictock
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We are in 4/1. Everyone has KP. Mafia has either 1 or 2 cannonballs, and If town stops shooting then needs at least 2 nights to load. If mafia has 1 CB then has 3 defends left + 3 loads needed. If mafia has 2 CB then has 2 defends left + 2 loads needed. A mafia with 2 CB is probably a higher priority target for town to deal with. So that would potentially be Myself, Plotspot, or ShoCkeyy A Mafia with 1 CB, wants town to shoot town because they have to play this out a week if nobody else shoots. Obv the players left, Damdred, Sulf. Obi said he'd shoot Damdred + Show Spoiler + he didn't but yea he was also scum So clearly Town needs to decide who is most likely to be scum out of Myself, Plotspot or ShoCkeyy. I'd shoot Shockeyy. Now can we all agree to stop shooting and load for a day? | ||
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Or better yet. Can we assign either Damdred or Sul to shoot tonight? | ||
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Very active... Anybody have ideas or opinions about who is the last scum? ...no? Fine I'll do it myself. I'm aiming my cannon right at ShoCkeyy | ||
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Tictock
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Just to expand on Damdreds list a little... Plot 2 CB, 1 Defends left Damdred 0 CB, 3 Defends left Tt 1 CB, 2 Defends left Sulf 1 CB, 1 Defend left Who is the mafia? | ||
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On August 08 2015 06:30 plotspot wrote: you're wrong Sulf has 2 Defends left. Oh yea, he shot...someone... N2 | ||
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I'm ok with that plan, so damdred had better speak up if he thinks I'd try and shoot him God speed plots | ||
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What exactly are the win conditions? | ||
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I promise not to shoot and Damdred is out of CB, so either nobody dies tomorrow or 2 people die. There might be better plans out there but I'm just happy we finally agree on one. I'm currently Loading my cannon | ||
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Tictock
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On August 08 2015 15:54 Sulfurus wrote: Hello again I'm back. First of all I am confirmed town for killing Obi n2 (I'm the only reason the game didn't end in a scum victory). So basically treat this like a lylo situation where one of you has to convince me your town. If this is true, and you believe that stating it it should make you confirmed town to us, why did you not say so last phase? | ||
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Like I really don't like either of the last 2 posts you made Sulf. On August 08 2015 15:54 Sulfurus wrote: Hello again I'm back. First of all I am confirmed town for killing Obi n2 (I'm the only reason the game didn't end in a scum victory). So basically treat this like a lylo situation where one of you has to convince me your town. The bolded line is just so wrong on many levels. You yourself said we should focus on Townreads N2 Sulf, now your implying that you have no reads on any of us and that it is up to us to prove how towny we are. You don't want to talk to us and figure things out, you want us to prove ourselves to you... As for the other line... Well you know that we have only your word to go on here, so therefor you also know that there is no way to confirm this and that you are far from confirmed town... On August 05 2015 10:11 Sulfurus wrote: The night post will only say the total number of bullets so won't know who shot unless they tell us. I also think your reasoning regarding the question I asked you is total BS and shows you simply aren't following this very low activity game. On August 08 2015 18:08 Sulfurus wrote: Because I'm bad at this game. My reasoning was that I was already being town read and that if someone else shot Obi they would need the town cred more than I did. Honestly I have a bias towards being secretive and typing as little into the thread as possible. When you posted "I Shot" everyone but you and Sho had claimed their night actions already, and it should have been clear to you that Sho defended. If you are town and were trying to figure out the game the reasoning you just stated should have never crossed your mind. So yea... TLDR: Stick to the plan, Sulf is scum. He's only showing self interest here and it is clear that he is not thinking about how to solve the game. | ||
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But your still not even bothering to try and townread anyone like you suggested we should, and it's not like you really pushed this question towards Obi very much. On August 06 2015 06:49 Sulfurus wrote: My reasoning for loading was too little had happened for a strong scum read and I didn't feel pressured enough to defend; I imagine most people will say the same. I'm wondering why TickTock and Obi loaded because they both implied the defend action. We are definitely at a point in the game where we can sorta plan out our actions and expect certain reactions based on what actions people have available. However I still don't see you putting in any effort into narrowing options or solving the game. | ||
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I loaded so clearly you shot Sulf as planned. I'm just amazed Sulf shot Damdred rather than defend. | ||
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You did well, I regret not YOLO shooting you since I was so sure Damdred was town at that point. Sulfs last post shoulda had me questioning more but I had RL distractions. I'm ready to play this out. After this cycle I'll submit my endgame to UoN so we can crank it out. | ||
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Got that load in, wasnt sure the best way to run that endgame. Went with Load Defend Shoot Defend Shoot GG i shoulda shot plots before 1v1 when I was sure Damdred was Town. Didn't have time to think things through then so defaulted. Interesting game, might have more thouhgts later. | ||
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On August 09 2015 08:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: If there's ever a Cannons III, I'll probably add in a vote mechanic. I feel like at the least it would discourage people to lurk and there would be some more information to draw from (I tried to keep shooting mechanics hidden but then there wasn't much information to go off of in general) Regarding the mechanic itself... I like your idea Damdy, and maybe have it the opposite instead as an alternative. So each day you vote for someone to have their cannon temporarily or permanently taken away from them. Permanent would still allow them to influence the game but mafia would have less KP under their control, giving town a bigger advantage. And of course more people will be talking so they can try to figure out who the scum is. Yea this would be a nice idea to try. I'd hoped I could get people talking a bit more but like n00b pointed out in obs in this format there is just so little incentive for town to cooperate and communicate. On August 09 2015 07:42 plotspot wrote: Your load on N7 kinda surprised me TT, I was supposed to be out of defends after I defended on N6, so I was sure you were gonna shoot to possibly win or pull a draw. Similarly I didn't expect you to load N8, I thought for sure you would either try to shoot me for the draw or defend against one of my 2 shots You made a good call about my bluff to shoot you earlier in the game, I was kinda suspect of you because of the sudden shift in your thinking D1 (really bad plan, to really good thinking about what mafia needed to do) but wasn't quite trusting my own read. I tried to point it out in case anyone else might pick up on it, but yea with most of town not really wanting to talk it was easy for you to look pretty towny just by discussing stuff. Just wondering, was anyone scum reading me this game? It seems like plots was the only one to try and shoot me... | ||
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