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On July 16 2015 07:18 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 07:11 Tictock wrote:
Oh MD ninja voted did he?
MD we need to start hearing about your reads man. You've been a terrible & unhelpful all game long and now it looks like you setup a last minuet vote switch to GE.
Actually MD is probably the best lynch tomorrow if he does not explain himself in solid detail. I would never bring him into MyLo or LyLo with the way he's been playing.
Scott is in that same boat, so between the 2 of them.
TJ at least had decent content D1.
Wrong, WonnaPlay hammered. What do you mean by MD set him up? Ninjavoting is shite though. But in your world, if MD is scum, it means he set up his own teammate Sulfurus to be lynched d1. Do you think he was faking his breadcrumbs and Sulfurus wanted to bus him d1? Why would a scum player purposely act scummy (referring to MD here)? If MD and Sulfurus were scum, why would Sulfurus slip like he did d1? He could have just said nothing. And TJ had content but some of it was questionable.
I never said any of the bolded line, think you misread something.
Well MD effectily wasted his vote D1 and now D2 ninja voted (and not in the voting thread mind you...) onto someone who confirmed town.
... ehh Thinking back on D1 your right Sulf did make that post where he basically said he didn't care if MD got lynched. I also get what you mean by his play, but that doesn't mean we should accept him continuing that level of play.
Still my point was that MD needs to start giving some real reads, because I'm not comfortable bringing him into late game with what we've seen from him thus far. I suppose we still have plenty of time before that's an issue though.
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Sorry just lurking and thinking atm...
On July 16 2015 07:30 Half the Sky wrote:
TJHuggins - afked without voting. Could be tactical since he did acknowledge that people could get away with one no-vote at EoD1
I'm also remembering that you made a big post early on in D2 about how it was bad to make policy lynches D2. Kinda leads into your point, but I'm also not sure if that makes him more or less likely to be scum here.
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On July 16 2015 07:39 Half the Sky wrote:
DT, if any should check any of SW, Grokken, WP or Scott.
If the vig did not shoot N1, I would shoot either Scott or TJH.
Going to think harder.
I support this post.
I would personally check either Grok or Scott myself.
If we have a Vigi they should absolutely shoot tonight. I feel like it was silly to hold the shot N1, but maybe not that bad.
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@ Moosy
Are you saying Onegu made a mistake in this post?
On July 16 2015 07:00 Onegu wrote: Day 2 Final Vote Count GhandiEAGLE(7): Grokken, Fidei86, Half the Sky, silentwarrior, WonnaPlay ,Ticktock, MoosyDoosy TJHuggins(2): Noobking, scott31337 Grokken(1): GhandiEAGLE Not Voting(1): , TJHuggins Reminder Voting is done here.
It is mandatory to vote. Not doing so will result in a warning a second non vote will result in a modkill and action taken against you in the Mafia ban thread.
Currently GhandiEAGLE is set to be lynched with 7 votes.
Day 1 ends in PLEASE REMEMBER THAT IT IS MANDATORY TO VOTE.
If so you need to PM him or something to fix that.
I did check Voting thread and you never did change your vote there.
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On July 16 2015 08:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:If you die where does that leave us? I would like it if you could post it now for me and HtS to dissect.
TJ might be a good person for Medic to visit tonight...
Just sayin.
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I also brought back some swiss cheese if anyone is interested.
Mostly took home swishh Chocolate though...
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On July 16 2015 08:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
So...how do people like active townie Moosy?
I'll tell you when I see him.
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Well I'm currently entertaining some WIFOM thinking. So considering that if I were Vigi I would shoot
Scott > Grok > SW
I suppose I wouldn't be too upset if I get Vigi shot, but I'd be expecting decent reasons as to why post-game. Also I can promise some better stuff next phase since I wont be catching up or traveling.
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@ Grokken
I had a townlean on you based off your first list post D1.
Upon reading your filter I found nothing else supporting that read and there have been some decent points brought up against you.
While it is ideal if the Vigi is able to find and shoot scum it is also valid for a Vigi to shoot hard to read players or people who are under suspicion. The idea is to make the game easier for town the following day by either shooting scum or shooting bad town so the rest of Town can focus on the real scum.
Basically you've fallen to a null read for me.
I considered MD for that list as well, but HtS reminded me that Sulf spewed him town and he's been trying a bit harder tonight.
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On July 16 2015 14:23 Half the Sky wrote:
Detective: 1) Grokken, 2) SW, 3) Tictock, 4) TJHiggins
Caveat: I would NOT check Scott if you think there's a vig in this setup - he should be getting shot, so consider any of Grokken, Tictock, SW or if you are unsure of WP, then him, but I am thinking WP might be green here. A check on Scott should have been done d1 and if you haven't done it now you may want to exercise caution if the vig held his shot, which could happen in a newbie game.
The bolded line is the only part of your wall of text I do not agree with, but only because it is not possible to have both Cop and Vig.
A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
B) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
C) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
D) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
Also I'm voting for HtS for Towny of the Game.
She is both the obvious Scum kill and the obvious Medic save.
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On July 16 2015 14:49 n00bKing wrote:
You'll note that the TJHuggins/silentwarrior team and the TJHuggins/Ticktock team have a common thread...
You really think I replace in as scum, bus my remaining teammate most of D2 only to swap to the mislynch in the last 30 min, and then suggest a medic save on my scummate?
This makes me unable to trust any of your associations...
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Le Sigh...
Looks like I'll be doing a fair bit of defending D3 here, assuming of course that a Vigi who held there shot doesn't decide to shoot me off that wall of text. That would be the quick and dirty way to prove my innocence here...
@n00b
While some of your points are valid, I find a lot of them to be deeply imbedded in WIFOM. Overall I like the effort you are making, but I'm wondering if your a tad tunneled in your thinking.
I assume if I flip green you just swap to pushing TJ/SW as the scum team. What happens if you find that TJ flips green? Just humor that world, if even for a moment.
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I'll likely be getting back to n00bs posts in depth after work, and I still need to look at SW in more depth.
However for now I just want to make 2 points.
1) I still think HtS has the best list post for suggestions for Night Actions. If you trust nobody else, please trust her.
Nightaction RecommendationsDetective: 1) Grokken, 2) SW, 3) Tictock, 4) TJHiggins Caveat: I would NOT check Scott if you think there's a vig in this setup - he should be getting shot, so consider any of Grokken, Tictock, SW or if you are unsure of WP, then him, but I am thinking WP might be green here. A check on Scott should have been done d1 and if you haven't done it now you may want to exercise caution if the vig held his shot, which could happen in a newbie game. Vigilante: Scott, Scott, Scott. Vig a scummy lurker who is least likely to help town (if he's town) By far, this person would be Scott. Shoot Scott. No, you should have done that yesterday  Medic: I would say any of the trio of Fidei, n00bking, or myself. Use your judgement.
I threw out some thoughts that I found interesting, but that I honestly don't care to explain right now. Deal with it.
2) In general defense of myself, I'd just like to point to my last game where I pulled off a win for the Mafia team.
Holy Guardians
Here I played as Mafia and managed to pull out the win by making myself look as towny as I could. We won that game through incedible towncred and pushing the idea that remaining 2 players in question were in fact the scumteam.
Yet here I am being accused of replacing into a game, into a slot that was largely afk and was suspected by all people, and then acting in all sorts of manners that make me look like scum. Then I'm being scum read for that.
Why would I as Scum bus my remaining scummate right off the bat? Why would I risk that move by moving my vote around so much EoD, and then nudging back my scum read on TJ? Like it's obvious that TJ is still one of the scummier players right now, so isn't my receding my read and even risking saying he might be a good medic save suicide as scum?
Unless you think I planned out my play for the entirety of the past cycle just to make this argument, I don't see how my actions this game can possible make sense from a scum perspective.
Just my 2 cents.
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Actually, SW you should tell us why you think TJ is scum.
A quick browse of your one page filter shows me that this is your initial read on TJ
On July 13 2015 08:25 silentwarrior wrote:
I also lean town on TJHuggins, since he posted that sulfurus was his second on scum list. This was also before any of the voting began, though after sulfurus posted that super scummy post and was tagged for it by Half the sky. Still a good townlean for me.
Then on D2 when TJ is being pushed by most of the thread you post this.
On July 15 2015 04:35 silentwarrior wrote:
Scumlean:
scott31337
TJHuggins
Probably scum:
GhandiEAGLE
You never mentioned TJ in between those 2 posts. What changed your read?
I also noted that your Day 1 Vote was super weak. You afk voted on NHM based on your entrance posts...
On July 12 2015 08:23 silentwarrior wrote:
Hey guys, sorry for being late. So I just read trough the thread and here are some of my thoughts now. First, fidei seems like a town read to me right now. He seems to genuienly want to create an enviroment that is good for town. His first post makes this obvious. Have to disagree on his stance however. Imo, most games suffer from people not saying enough than the opposite.
My background is pretty newbie. Have been in a few forum mafia games, but mostly i play IRL.
On July 12 2015 08:33 silentwarrior wrote:
Ok, so my first scumread when reading was NydusHerMain. First it was that she voted for fidei, for a post which i feel was very towny. She then didn't explain herself, and hasn't posted anything since that. I will be interested to hear what she says about that when she returns.
I also found some of what moosy said suspicous, but most of that has already been said by noobking, The most scummy thing to me was that he said he wanted to change his play, then wondered how someone could read that as. If you are town one game and then make a point to say that you change your play, then logically you will play as mafia.
Which looks really bad. You basically took one look at the game, made your vote then never reevaluated. You even setup your vote by opening with a weak townread on Fidei then attack someone attacking your townread, but you never pushed the idea or anything. In fact you just afk'd the rest of the day.
I'd like to hear some more detail about your read flip on TJ please.
Also interested if your neutral read on WP has changed at all.
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On July 17 2015 04:08 n00bKing wrote:
Try to make sense of your actions from a Town perspective. Because I have a Town perspective, and your actions don't make sense. Explain your reaction to Moosy's ninja vote. Explain why you came full circle on TJ, and suggested him as a target for the Doctor. Explain why you came full circle on Grokken, after townreading him for so long.
I only have a few min but I'll try and explain a little.
If Moosy had in fact Ninja voted like that I would think it very suspect, but most of my reaction was due to the fact that he hadn't actually voted in the voteing thread. I even noted that in one of my posts before Onegu sorted it. That reminded me of a scum strat Onegu himself had suggested to me in my last game with him. So I freaked out a little.
In fact the way that I freaked out reminded me about TJ freaking out. To be honest I'm not even that sold on the case we have on him, but that's because of some WIFOM thoughts of my own.
My read on Grok was never as solid as everyone seems to assume. I believe it was points 1 & 3 in your post about him n00b that I had pointed out before, that was my only reason for having a town lean on him. Reading his filter I felt like that was no longer enough and he dropped to a neutral read, which at the time was what I had on SW as well.
Based on my last post on SW I would actually probably shoot him just as easily as I would Scott if I were Vigi.
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On July 17 2015 08:51 TJHuggins wrote:
wooo
This had better be you getting excited to share those thoughts/information with us...
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I was not blocked either.
So I think that confirms that we are in a Doc/ Cop setup.
Pretty unlikely we have a Vigi from a no kill N2 and only the mafia kill N1. I suppose there is a slim chance that they got roleblocked, but it seems unlikely that they held a shot N1 and got blocked lastnight.
I am 100% sure that we have no Veteren. Mafia would absolutely RB their NK target if there was a Vet to avoid loosing their KP. So we know we have a Doc who successfully saved the NK target.
Like the only other explanation here is that Mafia are bad and didn't RB their kill with a Vet out there, or that they oddly with held their KP. Neither of those make much sense, and either way it doesn't change the position Town is in today.
While it might be a good idea for roles to claim and give Town more info to work with, there is no pressing need that I see for them to do so. Blues please use your own judgment if giving yourself up (claiming means you're 100%the NK tonight) will aid town more than your continued actions. This will largely depend on how useful you believe your intel to be for town.
Example: A cop with no red checks should probably hold off claiming, unless the green checks and your claim will drastically aid towns lynch today.
Again, use your own best judgment.
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Btw, stating if you were roleblocked is totally separate from claiming your role.
There is no reason not to tell us if you were roleblocked.
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I'm still at work for a few more hours, so going to be a bit before I can get into much analyses or explain my reads in much detail.
Right now I'd most like to lynch Scott or SW, with Tj following somewhere behind them. I'm kinda giving TJ the benefit of the doubt atm, but he needs to step it up pretty fast if he wants to keep that benefit.
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On July 17 2015 11:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2015 10:41 Tictock wrote:
I'm still at work for a few more hours, so going to be a bit before I can get into much analyses or explain my reads in much detail.
Right now I'd most like to lynch Scott or SW, with Tj following somewhere behind them. I'm kinda giving TJ the benefit of the doubt atm, but he needs to step it up pretty fast if he wants to keep that benefit. Please explain your lynches on those two especially on silentwarrior after you get off from work.
My read on SW comes largely from when I dove into his filter. I explained my read in this post.
QUOTE]On July 17 2015 03:08 Tictock wrote:
Actually, SW you should tell us why you think TJ is scum.
A quick browse of your one page filter shows me that this is your initial read on TJ
On July 13 2015 08:25 silentwarrior wrote:
I also lean town on TJHuggins, since he posted that sulfurus was his second on scum list. This was also before any of the voting began, though after sulfurus posted that super scummy post and was tagged for it by Half the sky. Still a good townlean for me.
Then on D2 when TJ is being pushed by most of the thread you post this.
On July 15 2015 04:35 silentwarrior wrote:
Scumlean:
scott31337
TJHuggins
Probably scum:
GhandiEAGLE
You never mentioned TJ in between those 2 posts. What changed your read?
I also noted that your Day 1 Vote was super weak. You afk voted on NHM based on your entrance posts...
On July 12 2015 08:23 silentwarrior wrote:
Hey guys, sorry for being late. So I just read trough the thread and here are some of my thoughts now. First, fidei seems like a town read to me right now. He seems to genuienly want to create an enviroment that is good for town. His first post makes this obvious. Have to disagree on his stance however. Imo, most games suffer from people not saying enough than the opposite.
My background is pretty newbie. Have been in a few forum mafia games, but mostly i play IRL.
On July 12 2015 08:33 silentwarrior wrote:
Ok, so my first scumread when reading was NydusHerMain. First it was that she voted for fidei, for a post which i feel was very towny. She then didn't explain herself, and hasn't posted anything since that. I will be interested to hear what she says about that when she returns.
I also found some of what moosy said suspicous, but most of that has already been said by noobking, The most scummy thing to me was that he said he wanted to change his play, then wondered how someone could read that as. If you are town one game and then make a point to say that you change your play, then logically you will play as mafia.
Which looks really bad. You basically took one look at the game, made your vote then never reevaluated. You even setup your vote by opening with a weak townread on Fidei then attack someone attacking your townread, but you never pushed the idea or anything. In fact you just afk'd the rest of the day.
I'd like to hear some more detail about your read flip on TJ please.
Also interested if your neutral read on WP has changed at all.[/QUOTE]
I would still like SW to answer the questions I posted there.
Not sure how much time I have tonight, but I want to read over Scott and Grok's filters.
I also owe you guys a pretty full explanation on my TJ read. I was really hoping he'd be posting more today as right now I've got lines of thought bringing me to opposite reads on him.
I'm going to take my time with those posts. Both because I want to hear more from Scott/SW/TJ but also because I want to make sure I've got solid reasoning for my reads.
I also want to respond to n00bs posts from last night.
^^^^
That is more or less my To-Do list for this day phase, please hold me accountable for any of that I do not follow through on.
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