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On July 11 2015 07:02 Half the Sky wrote: YAY confirmed town <3 If only posting first did somehow make you confirmed town. That would sure make this game a lot easier  So that everyone knows, the only players I know in the game are scott and NHM. I tunnelled scott pretty hard in the game we played together (Holy Guardians) but he was actually town. I null read NHM in HGand he was mafia, then town read him in Himalayas and he was town. I've also chatted a fair bit to HTS, but I don't know how she plays mafia. | ||
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My opinion on the ideal town environment is that it is one where everyone contributes, but nobody spams. The best way for townies to get town-read by other townies is to be active, to discuss things and to give your opinion freely. If you're lurking as town, you're actively hurting your own team. Even if you don't say much and make it to the later rounds, and even if you solve the game, you're an easy mislynch if your filter is only one or two pages long. However, at the same time, too much back and forth leads to the thread becoming unmanageable for players with less time -- essentially allowing mafia to hide in amongst the noise. I don't want to over-traffic cop, and I'm hopeful it's not going to be a big problem this game, but ... there it is. | ||
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/spam ensues /facepalm | ||
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As to why NHM thinks what I said is scummy, I'm guessing because I was a lot more passive at the start of the last two days. That was because Holy Guardians (HG) was my first ever game and Himalayas was the spam fest. This time I feel like I can usefully contribute at the start, at least to trying to set up a good town environment. I'm not sure that much of what has happened so far is alignment indicative. I agree that Half The Sky's thread entry was a little odd, but I think the opening posts are almost always a little strange ("hi, I'm town" the only sensible thing VT's know, and saying that doesn't move things forward). I think NHM is probably just pressuring me with his vote, although his approach to posting in the thread is a lot different to how he has posted since the game started. I appreciate noobking backing me up re the anti-babble stuff, but not sure that's particularly alignment indicative either. I'm keen to hear from all the people who haven't spoken yet, honestly. | ||
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One thing that irks me is that I know that you aren't the biggest fan of spam either. Obviously this thread is much more in danger of being too quiet than too loud, but I would have hoped you'd join me echoing my words. Why the change of heart? Or have you just got your game face on (which, admittedly, wouldn't be very alignment indicative..) | ||
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@Scott Where are your thoughts following your reading of the thread? We want to hear from you. Don't make me tunnel you again | ||
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I also want to say that if I say something below that makes me sound mean about your play (and you're town...), please remember that I'm just scum-hunting like you. Don't take it too personally. First, I am scum-reading Moosy. So far I have felt that each of his posts is underwhelming or scum-leaning. I had typed up a long post by post analysis, but I don't want to detract from my main point, so I'll focus on that. Look at his seventh post, which is here. This makes absolutely makes NO SENSE from a town perspective. Moosy says that last game he was town and was town read. Getting town read as town is the second most important thing a townie can do (after scum-hunting, obviously). If everyone agrees you're town, it means that the mafia have less places to hide. It also gives your reads more weight (because people don't think you're lying to them), and finally if you're VT then it means the scum have to choose between lynching you and trying to find blues. If they go for you, then you're giving your blues another turn to work, which is obviously a massive advantage for town. So, with that in mind, why on earth would you want to change your playstyle??? If I was townread last game, I would try and do EXACTLY the same thing again. I do not buy the excuse that he's just changing up his play. There's no reason to abandon a winning formula (unless you care more about your meta than winning, which no serious player should). Also, the rest of his filter thus far is just agreeing with people, asking questions and shitting on my post about spam (disclaimer: possible OMGUS on my part here). I would lynch Moosy today. I am also scum-reading NHM and scott, at least for now. I've hinted at this above, but basically, NHM's initial reaction to me was strange (calling me "this guy" having been friendly to me before the start of the game). And voting for me after all I'd done was mildly traffic cop seems really really weird, PARTICULARLY because NHM was in Holy Guardians, where we D1 lynched Kickstart essentially for traffic copping. Also, in Himalayas NHM was super constructive and friendly, and his posts were easy and flowed nicely from both a logic and a tone standpoint. This game, it's been the opposite so far. I'm scum reading scott because he said he was going to "re-read" the three page filter this game has so far, but then never game back. That's a massive scum tell to me. When someone claims that RL problems are keeping them busy, but they are plainly free enough to touch base into the thread, more often than not they're trying to keep their face in the thread without actually saying anything of merit. Some shorter points, because this has already gone on long enough: - KSC is town read for me, as it looks like he's pulling the same Chezinu crap that Onegu and ritoky love. That said, if he doesn't come in with some stronger plays then he'd be a good candidate for a d2 or d3 lynch - I do not want to take an Onegu clone into Lylo and lose on a coinflip mislynch AGAIN (it would be the third time in a row :-\) - I'm town reading TJH at the moment. Some people have criticised his case on Grokken (here), but I actually read it as an honest attempt to make a scum case despite the early stage of the game. If nothing else, it got Grokken to come in and post, which was definitely a pro-town result. (Disclaimer: He said nice things about me, so could be pocketed a little). - I put together a long post poking what I thought was a hole in HTS' logic, but it actually turned out when I read it again that her logic was sound. I might be biased because I like HTS out of game, but I'm town reading her atm. She seems to be posting in a thoughtful and nuanced style. That said, it's all been a big marginal at the moment, so I'll expect her to get more substantive as we move forward. - Town reading n00bKing, as his reads are similar to mine and also I liked his explanation of his NHM vote. And I REALLY like his case on Moosy, since it's the same as mine. | ||
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On July 12 2015 12:19 Half the Sky wrote: I don't think I agree with this sentiment TJ. I think I know what Fidei is trying to achieve with the question, but I'll let him sort it out. Thanks HTS. I can feel the pocket already! :-) @TJH Two reasons for that post really: 1. One of my favourite ways to try and exonerate falsely accused scum is to judge their reaction to being pressured/tunnelled. In Holy Guardians everyone wanted to lynch a player called Chocolate for the first three days (and we did lynch him like d3 or d4). But I actually believed his town claim just from the emotional way he defended himself. I totally agree that this is never going to be conclusive, and it's only one piece of a big and complicated jigsaw, but there it is. 2. I get a bit ... emotional about scum hunting. People who played with me in HG will remember some of the posts I made when town mislynched Chocolate (there was some swearing ha). Basically, I can get a bit carried away. I would still ask that question again, I think, but you're totally right to call me out on the way I phrased it. That said, given Moosy's incredibly lacklustre response to it, I'm glad I did post it. | ||
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That said, I wonder if there will be mod-kills/replacements for the people who haven't posted at all? Does anyone know what usually happens in these Newbie Mafia games? | ||
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On July 12 2015 08:33 silentwarrior wrote: Ok, so my first scumread when reading was NydusHerMain. First it was that she voted for fidei, for a post which i feel was very towny. She then didn't explain herself, and hasn't posted anything since that. I will be interested to hear what she says about that when she returns. I also found some of what moosy said suspicous, but most of that has already been said by noobking, The most scummy thing to me was that he said he wanted to change his play, then wondered how someone could read that as. If you are town one game and then make a point to say that you change your play, then logically you will play as mafia. Silent's two posts got lost in the mix a little, but I want to just flag them up. I know this is a newbie game, so maybe people are just giving them a pass because he's new, or it could be that people were expecting him to continue his train of thought. However, on their face, these are incredibly poor posts. First, he apologises for being late to the thread (being nervous and apologetic can be a scum-sign), then he proceeds to parrot points that have all been made in exactly the other way by other people. If you read them both again, there is not an original thought in them. Second, he makes them and then retreats back into the shadows. I'm not going to full on scum read him because, as I said above, he's new and so may just be honestly struggling for something new to say. I know I felt the same way in my first game. Still, this is a troubling start and he's going to have to improve to avoid drawing my attention later on. | ||
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I give you a slight town read for the way you are thinking, even if I don't agree quite with where you end up. Also, am I right in thinking that English is not your first language? (If it isn't, it's still a hell of a lot better than my Dutch, believe me - and this is coming from someone who once dated a Dutch girl for six months). | ||
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