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ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 08 2015 12:10 GMT
#3334
On July 08 2015 14:31 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 14:19 Breshke wrote:
On July 08 2015 14:15 ruXxar wrote:
On July 08 2015 14:12 Breshke wrote:
On July 08 2015 14:09 ruXxar wrote:
On July 08 2015 14:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I know what you're saying.
I don't think what you're saying is inherently incorrect. I understand the point of what you're bringing up - you think rso is scum derailing the thread and doesn't have a rebuttal to what you're bringing up.

The point is that I don't think scum!rso makes a big poopy in the middle of the thread for everyone to see. I don't see how her tirade on white-knighting Trfel is inherently scum-motivated because there's no scum end-goal to her actions - it's just a giant sloppy mess that I don't think she would go through the trouble of perpetrating unless there was something in it for her as scum.


That's exactly the point, *we won't know why unless she answers the question of why she did it*.
In what world does a town person not want to explain their actions?


Because she read trfel as town and HF as scum and she thought HF was trying to misrepresent trfel to bury him.

Look im doing it aswell now


I want you to look deeper than that.
Not just at what she did, but how she responds when she's questioned about it.
Does that look like a natural towny response to you?


What is a "natural townie response"? If i could explain it soe asily you dont think she could have made up some bullshit as mafia? Explain to me how it is mafia indicative to be stubborn thats what she was being. In your perfect world of how people are ment to act wouldn't the mafia be more likely to try and explain this because they want approval from town?

The logic can be used both ways


I think a townie would want to prove their innocence by actually replying to the question instead of shit talking me and my post trying to discredit me.

This is also what I have pinned other people scum on(e.g vivax).

Resorting to discrediting people by calling them or their post shit without refuting it, is a mafia trait from my point of view.
It has nothing to do with being stubborn, you can be stubborn without trash talking people.


*fixed quoting.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 08 2015 12:15 GMT
#3337
On July 08 2015 15:03 rsoultin wrote:
look ruxx i attempted to get you to engage with me. you refused.

you claim to be asking me questions that i not only already answered, but after i said as much you said you were trying to convince everyone ELSE which by definition means you didn't give a flying shit what i responded in the first place

maybe this is some en masse hf channeling thing where all "townies" think tunneling and sniping at players is the same as questioning them/pressuring them, but if you want me to actually address your concerns (lol concerns ><)

1. actually phrase them in a way where it's not obvious you've already made up your mind
2. actually read my responses to the questions you've already asked and i've already answered
3. engage with me on your other reads cause you won't convince me i'm scum, and you're not posting in a way that would actually help determine my alignment; you're flat-out tunneling

case and point? you literally have no other scumreads right now

like i don't see how this is townplay, but obviously i'm biased

(btw it's not thread derailment to call shit reasoning and pretend "questioning" shit. you already revealed your hand by saying you weren't trying to engage with me in the first place. also, kindly don't refer to your paraphrasing as "fact" that's just ridiculous)

i'll try to get a reads list up tonight at least lol ><


1) This is irrelevant.
2) Please point out where you answered my questions, because I don't see it.
3) I'm not going to engange with someone who shows me no respect and talks shit about my post without even bothering to correct it.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 08 2015 17:18 GMT
#3456
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 08 2015 23:08 rsoultin wrote:
okay ruxxar. i've explained it all, but not concisely and not politely because i'm not polite

but i'll do it solely to have it in one place and to say this is the last time i am going to discuss my trfel toneread or my interactions/read on hf, whether you keep ignoring that and tunneling with the same points or not

reasons i'm tonereading truffle town: lightness with me (i catch him as mafia early, see student v where i opened with pressure on truffle for his weird read on ls, and greymist's game), joking that matches his dry humor, grumbling at me for saying i thought he was town (look at it this way: as scum he should be happy that he gets an rsoul townread and finally broke my streak...as town it makes a lot more sense to be irritated that i'm still getting a read off him off very few posts), and yes, not wanting to give an opinion on something he hasn't looked at is actually towny cause truffle holds himself to ridiculously high standards and spends an inordinate amount of time combing through posts before coming to a decision <- all of these things are very personal that i realize other people don't know about him and mean more to me than others, so i didn't go into it, just as i didn't go into it with my early toneread on damdy in himalayas

the first exchange with hf: you're misrepresenting/misreading it. when hf first said he didn't need my opinion i let it go. i was actually discussing things with bresh and truffle when hf said "see, this post means his question to you wasn't trying to determine your alignment"...to which i responded that i didn't think that was the purpose of the question anyway and made a joke about hf forgetting how stubborn i was...he then basically told me to shut up and go into a corner and color, so yeah, i got pissed at him. i actually broke it off BEFORE the mod ever intervened, which frankly was probably for the post hf made right before the mod post...because that was ad hominem to a tee, basically saying no one gives a shit what i say because of my tonereads

subsequently: i came back to the thread scumreading hf because i'd had time to cool down and where he said he was questioning truffle, he actually was saying, and yes i'm paraphrasing "you're scum cause you have mafiaitis. nothing you can say or do will change my mind. you may as well give up". plus the way he just threw shit at me when i wasn't doing anything. usually we only shitfight when he's scum, and i JUST came off a game where he and bugs did that to deliberately put me on tilt cause i'm fiery -_- i kept trying to get people to see what i was seeing and he kept on trying to say i was defending truffle and everyone else was taking that up, and it was supremely frustrating that people kept not understanding what i was trying to say...that hf never intended to get a read off truffle in the first place

that continued with ignoring the fact that truffle was quizzing ls between the time of his townread and scumread on ls and had said he was writing something on him, instead just going hey! look! nothing has happened between these reads! me saying he's not reading was his clue to go back and read. hts did it. she saw it. hf should have. he preferred to fight me instead

the only reason i left off hf was his point on truffle's case all coming from before he dropped the townread was actually good. i even tried to explain what my issue with him was more concisely, which works better when i'm not angry. it's still weird to me that he thinks telling someone they're scum and he won't ever change his mind is pressure, but i was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for the moment since yeah, even if he's scum not gonna lynch him d1 like ever >< was more productive to discuss reads

but here i come back to the thread and he's back to jumping on me for nitnoidisms

as for you, you're just parroting him like you two are butt buddies, and it feels a lot like being double-teamed...deja vu bugs and hf...plus i KNOW that you've seen i do this toneread thing and am willing to fight for it regardless if the so-called "evidence" when it comes to an actual lynch; see: GB, so why you find it so weird i'm doing it again this game i can't fathom

most of this i've already said

now i will ignore you unless you talk about something else or are actually willing to talk reads instead of whining about me being pissed at your misrepresentation and inattentiveness

was that polite enough?




also, yeah...i didn't get through the thread @.@ i'd just post a reads list, but it would only be for the sake of posting it cause it's outdated

i really don't like hf still, or ruxx (though this could be OMGUS i'm willing to admit), and damdy felt off to me, too, but i want to read the section of the day i missed that had people scumreading him before i come to a judgment on that

beyond that i think bresh/truffle/marv/geript are top townies for me...would add palmar to that but lol my track record with palmar >< someone else can read him


I appreciate the change in tone here. I can work with you like this.

Now, I don't really feel like you're addressing the main point here.
The essence of all my posting is simply this: why did you feel the necessity to defend/answer for trfel? HF was not addressing you, so you shouldn't have felt any need to interject.

I can see these reasonable motives:

1 you are town, you and trfel are such close friends that you feel like you need to defend him since you think your read is correct and everyone else is wrong.(I don't see you defending other people being attacked)
2 you are mafia defending town trfel because you are certain of his alignment and you know he's an easy target.
If he flips you know you will look good for defending him.
3 you are mafia defending mafia trfel because he's your partner.

Right now I'm leaning toward options 2 and 3, because the composite of your play seems scummy to me.

That said, there's other people in the game, and I need to spend my time evaluating them as well.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 08 2015 17:38 GMT
#3461
On July 09 2015 02:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually ruxxar, what someone said is earlier is correct. It makes no sense for scum rsoul to throw herself out there and defend a townie. She did it so obtrusively and badly. Like really really badly that shes not scum for it.


Remember sulfurous?
He did the exact same play. Defended a townie as scum, and it looked like such a terrible scum play that I thought he was town the whole game.
After that game I don't think that the "shitty town" excuse is valid enough for me to not scum read someone.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 08 2015 17:43 GMT
#3463
And you say she did it really badly, but no one seemed to have picked up on it besides me and HF.

I wouldn't have thought much about it if she did it once.
But the fact that she persistently deflects off trfel is strange to me.

It might just be a thing between her and HF though, but I found it weird anyway.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 08 2015 18:11 GMT
#3465
You have to look at the difference in context.
If the first statement is given in relation to when the only 2 options were mz and bm then it makes sense.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 08 2015 18:16 GMT
#3466
Miller is also a safer mafia claim in case you get cop checked.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 08 2015 18:57 GMT
#3481
@clarity: if I said I wanted to shoot HF tonight, would you be upset?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 08 2015 19:27 GMT
#3499
On July 09 2015 04:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 03:57 ruXxar wrote:
@clarity: if I said I wanted to shoot HF tonight, would you be upset?


This question is insanely dumb on so many levels, why are you asking it? Please explain what you're hoping to get out of this?


I'm curious of how upset you would be if HF died.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 08 2015 19:34 GMT
#3504
On July 09 2015 04:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 04:27 ruXxar wrote:
On July 09 2015 04:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 09 2015 03:57 ruXxar wrote:
@clarity: if I said I wanted to shoot HF tonight, would you be upset?


This question is insanely dumb on so many levels, why are you asking it? Please explain what you're hoping to get out of this?


I'm curious of how upset you would be if HF died.


I'd be devestated, I wouldn't be able to feed myself for at least an hour.


I like that response. Thanks.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 08 2015 20:16 GMT
#3530
On July 09 2015 05:09 marvellosity wrote:
i just can't understand the rationale

ritoky claims 1-shot cop, milo claims 2-shot:

1-shot is less risky mafia claim
milo's claim comes AFTER ritoky's, so he decides to claim the same thing but with 2-shot?

milo has given multiple reads since his claim
ritoky has wishywashyed around

yet no mention of ritoky, and milo is mafia?

read MZ's post #5 on this page, all the reasoning he gives for milo applies MORE to ritoky... ??????


To be fair, he no longer had the option of claiming 1-shot, so that's not really a point in his favor.
If he claimed 1 shot to contest ritoky, then we'd basically have to kill them both and kill 1 mafia guaranteed.
With the claim of 2-shot he can just produce any random green check as Mafia and still live for multiple days.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 08 2015 20:19 GMT
#3534
On July 09 2015 05:16 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 05:16 ruXxar wrote:
On July 09 2015 05:09 marvellosity wrote:
i just can't understand the rationale

ritoky claims 1-shot cop, milo claims 2-shot:

1-shot is less risky mafia claim
milo's claim comes AFTER ritoky's, so he decides to claim the same thing but with 2-shot?

milo has given multiple reads since his claim
ritoky has wishywashyed around

yet no mention of ritoky, and milo is mafia?

read MZ's post #5 on this page, all the reasoning he gives for milo applies MORE to ritoky... ??????


To be fair, he no longer had the option of claiming 1-shot, so that's not really a point in his favor.
If he claimed 1 shot to contest ritoky, then we'd basically have to kill them both and kill 1 mafia guaranteed.
With the claim of 2-shot he can just produce any random green check as Mafia and still live for multiple days.

of course he did

you can have multiple one-shot of the same role.

none of your points make sense


Right nvm. Was thinking of 1 limit per role + flavor.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 08 2015 21:29 GMT
#3590
On July 09 2015 06:06 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
Alright this mz/milo/ritoky thing has been beaten to death.

Anyone that wants to chime in feel free to give me your opinion on

kelsier/breshke/obi



Finally back on my PC, that's great, can read filters n stuff.

Kelsier:
Liked him at the start. Was top townread.
As game went on presence fell off.
Don't understand his response to my rsoultin case. One strange reply then never mentions it again?
The last half of his filter is awful. Appears to be active without actually involving himself.
Has fallen down from Top town to slightly above null.

Breshke:
Been on the periphery, not really paid much attention to him.
Currently null.

Obi:
Didn't particularly have an opinion of him at the start.
Reading his filter a lot of his opinions align with mine so that's a +.
I liked his response to my case on rsoul +.
Town lean.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 08 2015 21:32 GMT
#3594
On July 09 2015 06:31 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 06:29 ruXxar wrote:
On July 09 2015 06:06 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
Alright this mz/milo/ritoky thing has been beaten to death.

Anyone that wants to chime in feel free to give me your opinion on

kelsier/breshke/obi



Finally back on my PC, that's great, can read filters n stuff.

Kelsier:
Liked him at the start. Was top townread.
As game went on presence fell off.
Don't understand his response to my rsoultin case. One strange reply then never mentions it again?
The last half of his filter is awful. Appears to be active without actually involving himself.
Has fallen down from Top town to slightly above null.

Breshke:
Been on the periphery, not really paid much attention to him.
Currently null.

Obi:
Didn't particularly have an opinion of him at the start.
Reading his filter a lot of his opinions align with mine so that's a +.
I liked his response to my case on rsoul +.
Town lean.


I like this post, I like ruxxor. He just seems so carefree with his thoughts.


zzz. when are you going to learn to spell my name right damdy?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 08 2015 21:34 GMT
#3597
On July 09 2015 06:33 Damdred wrote:
At the same time I learn never to call rsoultin a he when I'm typing fast


For some reason i'm typing "she" every time i'm writing about clarity_nl.
It's not until I look over my posts that I notice it.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 08 2015 21:35 GMT
#3599
On July 09 2015 06:33 marvellosity wrote:
ruxora has been sexy all game


asdlfdsjknfsdf. stop butchering my name q.q
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 08 2015 21:37 GMT
#3600
On July 09 2015 06:34 milo109 wrote:
I've revised my opinions. I think this game is easy. We kill MZ, HF, Clarit, Vivax, LS, Scott, Ritoky (in that order), and then wait for mafia to concede.


Oh great milo.
I bow to your eternal wisdom.
Lead us to victory!

zzz
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 08 2015 21:39 GMT
#3602
On July 09 2015 06:34 milo109 wrote:
I've revised my opinions. I think this game is easy. We kill MZ, HF, Clarit, Vivax, LS, Scott, Ritoky (in that order), and then wait for mafia to concede.


On a serious note:
Explain your scumread on HF.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 08 2015 21:53 GMT
#3611
@:XEliteBlueHunter69X

Earlier you said this:

On July 07 2015 12:14 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 12:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 07 2015 11:56 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
I am surprised no one has brought up Lightningstrike's curious response when asked about his scumreads...Trfel and me being his top scumreads makes very little sense to begin with, and his reasons on top of it leave a lot to be desired. He could have simply stated he was sheeping HF but he made up a poor reason that seems convoluted. I think if by some miracle trfel is town then LS would be a pretty good lynch to look at.


Elaborate?


You would have to explain what you specifically wanted to know. My conclusion is that it's clearly a tug of war here and one side contains a mafia, which I am siding with the side saying trfel is mafia. If he is town it is worth looking at the other side for mafia of course. It's a bit simplistic but I feel it works in this particular situation


Can you give a re-evaluation on this, do you still hold this stance?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 08 2015 22:09 GMT
#3628
Our medic'ish .
At least he likely saved marvel, good job!
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
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