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hey hf
humor me for a second yeah?
assassination, guardians, carol, and even aperture (though obv reasons why this isn't as relevant) to a lesser extent
what do they all have in common?
and you played in every single one of these, too
like i agree that case on ls was meeeeeeeh and doesn't make much sense given the former stuff, but all of these were large themed just like this one. all had a low-activity truffle and the one he contributed in most (arguably) was the one he rolled 3p in, at least in terms of actually posting worthwhile things early
you just kind of decided that the reason he's low-activity is because of rolling scum twice instead of considering that this is actually normal for him in large games?
i have a toneread on him. i know that's not something you give a shit about, but this toneread is practically ironclad, and a lot stronger than a double-mafia roll theory. like i don't want to lynch a townread >< maybe you really believe this theory of yours but are you willing to at least consider the fact that it's actually normal for him to barely post in large themed games?
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On July 07 2015 10:36 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 10:03 ruXxar wrote:On July 07 2015 09:55 Trfel wrote:On July 07 2015 09:53 ruXxar wrote:
@Trfel
Is something wrong with you? Did something traumatic happen in your life?
You played like a fucking god in our newbie game.
What changed? My play in this game is different from my play last game. I was scum last game. It's your responsibility to arrive at a conclusion. What do you think about LightningStrike now? So you're saying you play like trash as town, yet when you were town in HF's game you also played good. So it doesn't explain anything. I like LS, I told you that already. Which Holyflare game are you referring to? And why aren't you re-evaluating based on what I said? If you disagree, then why?
Holyflare said you played well, and I trust HF to hold people to a high standard.
I think your read on LS is weak.
Referencing your points:
1) He doesn't react that way in his last scum game either, so NAI.
2) From what I've seen from LS he wants to get town read and hates being under pressure, he even goes as far as to claim blue.
3) This is incredibly straw man.
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On July 07 2015 11:42 milo109 wrote:
How the hell do you know what is indicative of burnt out scum? Maybe he is just tired. Oddly specific point. Just because he scumreads you does not mean he is scum. Notice I'm still calling you town, despite your silly vote on me. Half the people in the thread have given terrible reasons for their reads. Like me. Trolling isn't indicative. yadi ya. The only way I find the point on LS convincing is if they are mafia together, and then either way I hit with my vote.
Probably not.
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On July 07 2015 11:42 milo109 wrote:
How the hell do you know what is indicative of burnt out scum? Maybe he is just tired. Oddly specific point. Just because he scumreads you does not mean he is scum. Notice I'm still calling you town, despite your silly vote on me. Half the people in the thread have given terrible reasons for their reads. Like me. Trolling isn't indicative. yadi ya. The only way I find the point on LS convincing is if they are mafia together, and then either way I hit with my vote.
because I have played a lot of mafia and he just played a super try hard game as mafia in his last game, he can be tired but that does not make him play badly for the entirety of the game especially when asked to play better, trfel is not a troll you can just look at his past games (sure he posts trolly things sometimes) regardless this is now a sub point in this game
"many people have unexplained reads", sure and many people give reasons when asked and those reasons I can see coming from a town perspective of someone reading the thread and thinking critically. Trfel's reads seem to bypass the thread entirely and talk around it and then he interjects with random questions sometimes that don't effect anything at all. Just because he calls me scum that is not the reason I am scum reading him at all.
I don't understand how this point is ONLY convincing if LS is mafia either at all. If a player has a read that says that a player is town and then he changes it to a player is scum based on no new information that has been gained, why do you think that happens? If he then reveals the information he is scum reading a player on and it contains things that have been said to be town reads for LS why has he not acknowledged those points? It seems like Trfel is simply:
On July 07 2015 01:47 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 01:39 Holyflare wrote: From my own meta/experience with him, he's town. I am also aware he's recently had scum success though, so I would think he's going to be smart enough to replicate his town game as much as possible. Am I making sense now? On July 07 2015 01:30 Holyflare wrote:
I just don't get it hts, none of what I said is to do with afking in the slightest. That was just a cursory pressure post at the start of the game. Everything is to do with his return which is a more than prominent feature in this thread if you read through it since BH had to make a public announcement about the shit I was wading through.
Since i've never seen him do it in any of his town games and nobody has corrected me to say otherwise, I simply have no idea how you and rsoul can say the exact same thing that his meta and tone reads point to him being town. Alright, my experience/meta does not cover the game where Trfel helped carry mafia (NSM11) as I did not actually play in that game. My understanding of that game is that he won the game based on how he filter dove people and spun his arguments. If your problem is with the way he's deflecting and posting what you seem to be scumreading him for, I can tell you he did the same thing in Down Under 2. He made several posts about music composition and whatnot and then actually cased the hosts in lylo. And he was town that game. Please tell me I am making more sense than I have done before?
On July 06 2015 16:31 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 16:29 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not doing this for you. I want people to lynch him and I'm proving he's mafia. You can keep yelling tone read in the corner though. lol wow you really don't get it, do you? truffle is fully capable of making shit up from a filter...as i understand it, that's how he was so successful his last scum game xP it's actually a fucking towntell for him to be taking his time to actually read through the thread instead of just throwing shit out therebut keep barking about it
playing his mafia meta to a tee. Furthermore, his read on LightningStrike doesn't make any sense in the context either. Why would he pick out LightningStrike as mafia after saying he's no longer a scum read? Why is it only LightningStrike? Where is the thought process? There is 0 thought process.
I am not sure I understand how you can defend this person (you're probably mafia)
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I am surprised no one has brought up Lightningstrike's curious response when asked about his scumreads...Trfel and me being his top scumreads makes very little sense to begin with, and his reasons on top of it leave a lot to be desired. He could have simply stated he was sheeping HF but he made up a poor reason that seems convoluted. I think if by some miracle trfel is town then LS would be a pretty good lynch to look at.
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I defended him because you and I were the only ones on and you were attempting to sway my vote. I simply stated why that won't happen. I might be wrong on trfel, and I might be wrong on you. Do you always call people who disagree with you mafia?
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On July 07 2015 11:50 rsoultin wrote:
hey hf
humor me for a second yeah?
assassination, guardians, carol, and even aperture (though obv reasons why this isn't as relevant) to a lesser extent
what do they all have in common?
and you played in every single one of these, too
like i agree that case on ls was meeeeeeeh and doesn't make much sense given the former stuff, but all of these were large themed just like this one. all had a low-activity truffle and the one he contributed in most (arguably) was the one he rolled 3p in, at least in terms of actually posting worthwhile things early
you just kind of decided that the reason he's low-activity is because of rolling scum twice instead of considering that this is actually normal for him in large games?
i have a toneread on him. i know that's not something you give a shit about, but this toneread is practically ironclad, and a lot stronger than a double-mafia roll theory. like i don't want to lynch a townread >< maybe you really believe this theory of yours but are you willing to at least consider the fact that it's actually normal for him to barely post in large themed games?
it doesn't matter, all of his games have purpose and push and direction, I've not seen a single game where he isn't inquisitive or pushing something or trying to solve things or point things out not a single one
I was proud enough of his play that I sent him a PM because I saw him in general and liked his playstyle and how he pushed logical things and he was getting down about being wrong so I thought I'd send him one (it's on the last page) and this is nothing like i've ever seen in any game of his. This isn't a themed game at all it's a normal game.
The questions he's asked in this game have no sense behind them, no purpose. All of the questions he has actually asked have seemingly led to what? His rekindling of his LS read that doesn't make sense and a scum read on me when he hasn't asked a single question about me? Sure, that makes no sense whatsoever.
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On July 07 2015 11:57 milo109 wrote:
I defended him because you and I were the only ones on and you were attempting to sway my vote. I simply stated why that won't happen. I might be wrong on trfel, and I might be wrong on you. Do you always call people who disagree with you mafia?
I call people that disagree with me mafia when they haven't reasoned out their response for disagreeing with me because they are likely defending a town player because they don't know better. I am not simply trying to "sway" anyone, although if you want to simplify it totally then yes I want people to vote on the person I think is mafia, sure. I want an active discussion on what people think of the points I've raised and why they disagree with them and why they think the opposite.
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I gave reasons for diagreeing. Whether or not you find them legitimate is up to you. Also, are you saying I'm bad mafia defending town trfel? That first sentence is confusing.
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i honestly don't have a response except he doesn't read mafia to me -_-
like sure he posts logical things eventually but he's posted practically nothing and gotten nuked by scum while being essentially afk for 1-2 days i mean...seriously? i just don't think your theory is ironclad and i'm not sure why you won't consider that you could be wrong
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On July 07 2015 11:56 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
I am surprised no one has brought up Lightningstrike's curious response when asked about his scumreads...Trfel and me being his top scumreads makes very little sense to begin with, and his reasons on top of it leave a lot to be desired. He could have simply stated he was sheeping HF but he made up a poor reason that seems convoluted. I think if by some miracle trfel is town then LS would be a pretty good lynch to look at.
Elaborate?
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like it doesn't matter what I said in the early game about being "burnt out" and going hard on him since that was simply me trying to pressure him into contributing and revealing his alignment but then he started asking those questions about Marv that he already knows the answers to and questions about me that had no response no matter what you answered, hence why it annoys me to no end when you try and undermine any kind of questioning i have with "god can't you read" or "he already said that" it doesn't really matter if he has I want him to answer for himself and do things for himself so I can get a read on him, not on you
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there was one game where i know i kept on saying yeah he sucks but he's town i just can't remember what it was ><
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On July 07 2015 12:05 Holyflare wrote:
"god can't you read" or "he already said that"
I didn't say anything close to that. Unless you are talking to someone else.
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On July 07 2015 11:56 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
I am surprised no one has brought up Lightningstrike's curious response when asked about his scumreads...Trfel and me being his top scumreads makes very little sense to begin with, and his reasons on top of it leave a lot to be desired. He could have simply stated he was sheeping HF but he made up a poor reason that seems convoluted. I think if by some miracle trfel is town then LS would be a pretty good lynch to look at.
I think his argument against trfel is reasonable.
I agree with the fact that your blue hunting is anti town.
I disagree with the conclusion that it's mafia indicative(I think it's town indicative, unless wifom), so that is indeed a bit strange that he came to that conclusion.
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On July 07 2015 12:05 Holyflare wrote:
like it doesn't matter what I said in the early game about being "burnt out" and going hard on him since that was simply me trying to pressure him into contributing and revealing his alignment but then he started asking those questions about Marv that he already knows the answers to and questions about me that had no response no matter what you answered, hence why it annoys me to no end when you try and undermine any kind of questioning i have with "god can't you read" or "he already said that" it doesn't really matter if he has I want him to answer for himself and do things for himself so I can get a read on him, not on you
i've been trying to do that? it feels like you're not letting me
no, what i should say
is it feels like you're trying to marginalize me, and that irrationally pisses me off
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On July 07 2015 12:04 milo109 wrote:
I gave reasons for diagreeing. Whether or not you find them legitimate is up to you. Also, are you saying I'm bad mafia defending town trfel? That first sentence is confusing.
On July 07 2015 11:42 milo109 wrote:
How the hell do you know what is indicative of burnt out scum? Maybe he is just tired. Oddly specific point. Just because he scumreads you does not mean he is scum. Notice I'm still calling you town, despite your silly vote on me. Half the people in the thread have given terrible reasons for their reads. Like me. Trolling isn't indicative. yadi ya. The only way I find the point on LS convincing is if they are mafia together, and then either way I hit with my vote.
These are your reasons for disagreeing but they are not really evaluated at all and don't address the points I actually raised. The burnt out scum thing was simply because I've experienced it before and it seemed very familiar. Sure, it could have been him being tired but then it continued into mafia redundant questions and processes which led me to believe it actually was just him being mafia and burnt out. Sure, you can say this is not relevant if you don't think so.
Then there is the point about his questions which lead nowhere and have answers that he already knows about - you didn't address this point.
You also misinterpret the point about his read on me. Him saying I am mafia has nothing to do with it. He has no logical reason to think I am mafia because he has not stated why I am mafia but instead just repeats that I am. Yet, he was quite happy to elaborate (although badly) on LS when asked but not anyone else. LS is an extremely easy person to push as town due to his nature. His list of reads do not really have substance behind them. You say "what differentiates them from a town with unexplained reads" and the answer is that a towny will try his best to explain when asked because what has he got to hide? Nothing. Trfel repeatedly hides things and says he won't reveal it or that he'll save it for later. He is playing very dishonest and mafia like.
Trolling isn't indicative, sure. I troll a lot. Trfel does not particularly troll and if you read the database you would see that even if he does troll he actually plays seriously and logically.
The rest of the LS read you have not really addressed at all. How can trfel make a case on LS based on the early game but the early game is when he said he doesn't scum read LS? He changed his read on LS because of questions he asked LS about ritoky. Where are they in his case? They do not feature because he is simply reading LS' filter and making scummy narratives from them.
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On July 07 2015 12:06 rsoultin wrote:
there was one game where i know i kept on saying yeah he sucks but he's town i just can't remember what it was ><
lol >< it was noir, but he was still posting better than this
i dunnae
tone says town and i'm not going to help y'all lynch him, but i have no good reason to defend him other than i really don't think he's scum -_- so yeah
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On July 07 2015 12:07 milo109 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 12:05 Holyflare wrote:
"god can't you read" or "he already said that" I didn't say anything close to that. Unless you are talking to someone else.
that was in regards to rsoultin, I am also not voting for you by the way, I don't know why that's a feature in your reads.
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On July 07 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:
eh, chem
i need to check that against something, geript
i'll do it before bed tonight
rsoul can you do this?
I'm starting to think you are mafia because i don't agree with anything you are saying and it doesn't help that you and HF are only talking about the trfel stuff.
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