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On July 08 2015 02:43 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 02:41 Half the Sky wrote:
Also for BF and WoS, the meta comparison to my last game is flawed.
1 I play/approach large games differently than I do minis as either alignment so comparing this game to Not Themed is really weak
2 I have pushed two players (HF can believe whatever he wants to believe on this point, I've again demonstrably shown it) this game so far which happen to be two (now one apparently) of the same players that HF is pushing
3 Large games mean I take more time looking at more people, since it's pretty easy for scummers to skate by. I can see how people can see that as scummy but when necessary I will consolidate on people (and will do now, seeing as people are voting ritoky) that I am finding scummy. This is kind of weird. I don't know if I've ever heard anyone say that before. I'm not really considering meta anyway especially when I have little to no experience with you.
I'm aware it will come off weird, but I've not played with you before. I mentioned it to BF when he brought up Not Themed before.
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On July 08 2015 02:43 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 02:41 Half the Sky wrote:
Also for BF and WoS, the meta comparison to my last game is flawed.
1 I play/approach large games differently than I do minis as either alignment so comparing this game to Not Themed is really weak
2 I have pushed two players (HF can believe whatever he wants to believe on this point, I've again demonstrably shown it) this game so far which happen to be two (now one apparently) of the same players that HF is pushing
3 Large games mean I take more time looking at more people, since it's pretty easy for scummers to skate by. I can see how people can see that as scummy but when necessary I will consolidate on people (and will do now, seeing as people are voting ritoky) that I am finding scummy. That said, who are you top scum reads and why?
milo and ritoky -
Milo was scummy for coming off the gate and making scumreads without explanations - I question him on his reads - he comes back and responds with why he saw KSC a certain way and the LS read also made no sense to me given how he phrased it. I didn't like his response re: KSC and since left a few more questions for him.
ritoky made several "drive by" reads and I questioned him on these reads as well. First he starts off with the one of "milo/ls/third person I cannot remember offhand" must be scum, just assuming someone in there is scum because they all gave what he considered easy reads on Oats. That's great but where's the follow through. Even regardless of the fact he'd say he'd have to afk, I took same issue with what he raised with KSC and myself - why is he discounting that both of us if town could be misreading him. He's not looking further at our gameplay. And then when pressured, he claims the 1 shot dt which I had agreed is a safe role to claim and I unvoted thinking he'd follow through on some of his initial concerns. Separate of my scumread, since then he's scumread and dropped OWS, so I have no idea where he's going at this point.
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On July 08 2015 02:55 rsoultin wrote:
...okay so i'm not going to catch up before lab, and definitely not before EoD while y'all continue to spam this up
i'd appreciate a rundown...? like why everyone switched back over to ritoky?
Consolidation I believe it was, what some were talking on earlier in the thread - the two I personally want to lynch are milo/ritoky provided I don't find something eye popping in the filters I'm looking through but HF is having this weird (at best) push on me despite wanting to also lynch milo (and ritoky earlier before he just dropped that now)
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On July 08 2015 02:58 Vivax wrote:
Would lynch Wave.
He didn't do jack all to push something. As town he should compose a certain threat level to scum players but i I were scum this game I would just assume he's a docile sheep that won't hurt me, simply cause he'd be on my team.
There's a bit of questioning there, a few townreads here, an angry vote on HF somewhere, but I totallly don't get a vibe of ambition to find the mafia from his posts.
Are you still getting the same scum vibes from Damdred?
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On July 08 2015 03:02 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 02:59 Half the Sky wrote:On July 08 2015 02:58 Vivax wrote:
Would lynch Wave.
He didn't do jack all to push something. As town he should compose a certain threat level to scum players but i I were scum this game I would just assume he's a docile sheep that won't hurt me, simply cause he'd be on my team.
There's a bit of questioning there, a few townreads here, an angry vote on HF somewhere, but I totallly don't get a vibe of ambition to find the mafia from his posts. Are you still getting the same scum vibes from Damdred? Dunno have to read him in his entirety. For now I'd like to ask why we're voting the claimed cop.
The behaviour imo doesn't back his claim up, the point was also made that 1-shot anything is an easy claim to make.
If you look at his reads throughout all of day 1, he presents two lists of reads (ls/milo/x) and then of those scumreading him (damdred, ksc,myself and a 4th) and just assumes soemone on there is scum profiting off a bad read which in of itself ISN'T a bad thing however, you'd be expecting some follow through on those initial reads. He was asked if he had any scumreads and he apparently didn't have any and he scumread and dropped OWS - at this point it's not clear where his scumreads are in the game. He did post he'd be on low activity and I can appreciate that with RL but he doesn't need a 20 page filter to make a shortlist of top scumreads.
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On July 08 2015 03:10 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 03:07 Half the Sky wrote:On July 08 2015 03:02 Vivax wrote:On July 08 2015 02:59 Half the Sky wrote:On July 08 2015 02:58 Vivax wrote:
Would lynch Wave.
He didn't do jack all to push something. As town he should compose a certain threat level to scum players but i I were scum this game I would just assume he's a docile sheep that won't hurt me, simply cause he'd be on my team.
There's a bit of questioning there, a few townreads here, an angry vote on HF somewhere, but I totallly don't get a vibe of ambition to find the mafia from his posts. Are you still getting the same scum vibes from Damdred? Dunno have to read him in his entirety. For now I'd like to ask why we're voting the claimed cop. The behaviour imo doesn't back his claim up, the point was also made that 1-shot anything is an easy claim to make. If you look at his reads throughout all of day 1, he presents two lists of reads (ls/milo/x) and then of those scumreading him (damdred, ksc,myself and a 4th) and just assumes soemone on there is scum profiting off a bad read which in of itself ISN'T a bad thing however, you'd be expecting some follow through on those initial reads. He was asked if he had any scumreads and he apparently didn't have any and he scumread and dropped OWS - at this point it's not clear where his scumreads are in the game. He did post he'd be on low activity and I can appreciate that with RL but he doesn't need a 20 page filter to make a shortlist of top scumreads. this is more of a summary of his filter than anything near analysis.
Maybe I need to bold words for you to see what I'm talking about.
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On July 08 2015 03:10 Holyflare wrote:
he might be playing like mafia but then there's 4 other mafia in this game so i'd prefer we focus on those other people for a change and since HtS is blatently ignoring everything I write I don't mind lynching her at all. I don't mind milo lynch but I want people to talk about him with me.
I'll be blunt here, I think you could be mafia and if you are, you have done a great job in the past derailing people with emotion and/or taking things out of context. I am still not at all impressed how/why you dropped the Trfel read or why you consider myself (or milo from your end) scummier than he.
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On July 08 2015 03:15 milo109 wrote:
Yo HtS, I don't really understand this style of play. I'll answer your questions, but may I ask why you have decided to have this rather elongated conversation with me, a scum read? I still think KelsierSC is scum, yes. He has had the opposite reaction to me on almost every major event in the game. I've also disliked most of his one-liners, and that is almost all of his posting. I also think there is scum on both the town and mafia side of his list, something a mafia would almost have to do. As for Damdred, I also still think he is mafia. I voted for Ritoky because there isn't enough time to get a wagon started on the other two, but I would advise looking at them.
HF is weird. You're weird. LS is weird. Rsoultin is weird. Who knows if that is mafia indicative or not?
You're new-ish to TL (and mafia in general? I don't know) my approach is if I feel soemting is scummy I question it, and I generally question things I don't understand or find scummy or make comparisons, etc - it's possible that townies - especially newbies - do scummy things as well. I look and someone and I try to resolve those differences/scumreads etc and if I can't or think there's too much evidence you are scum or find you or a single person the scummiest of those I'm looking at, then I think you should be lynched.
This conversation is elongated because 1) you've been out of thread for periods of a time - not indicatative imo, that is just how it's been and 2) honestly every answer I see brings up another question. I'm not asking for the sake of asking, particularly when I'm trying to decide between you and soemone else. That is just how it is day 1 if you are town.
The issue for you at this point is that a lot of other people are also finding you scummy and have brought up your name - not just me. You read my filter I think but if you are town and you've read my filter you may want to read other's filters and see where those reads are coming from.
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On July 08 2015 03:26 ruXxar wrote:
I don't want to lynch ritoky unless we absolutely have to.
It's likely mafia will either NK or RB him.
If they NK him, great for us, 1 question mark out of the way.
If they RB him, also great, 1 less RB on another potential PR.
If he's mafia, we gain incredibly little information due to his contribution.
If he lives until tomorrow and doesn't provide anything useful we can lynch him.
Current would lynch list:
Rsoultin(Didn't like her derailing of HF's questioning + other reasons)
Vivax(Don't like his push on geript)
Milo(His push on LS)
I'm uncertain about Trfel atm.
There's something really weird going on with him and I don't know what it is.
I want to give him more time to give his general thoughts on the game before i take a stance, but his play so far has been terrible.
I agree with you on milo, but re: Vivax how are you distinguishing between a scummy push versus someone who is tunnelled (I'm getting the impression that you are scmreading him for the push) and do you have any thoughts on Vivax's other pushes?
Trfel I had as a null read until he did more but as I said, the longer he fails to post...he did say he'd be here closer to EoD....ugh.
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Milo just ninja voted me. This is a really bad sign.
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On July 08 2015 03:15 milo109 wrote:
Yo HtS, I don't really understand this style of play. I'll answer your questions, but may I ask why you have decided to have this rather elongated conversation with me, a scum read? I still think KelsierSC is scum, yes. He has had the opposite reaction to me on almost every major event in the game. I've also disliked most of his one-liners, and that is almost all of his posting. I also think there is scum on both the town and mafia side of his list, something a mafia would almost have to do. As for Damdred, I also still think he is mafia. I voted for Ritoky because there isn't enough time to get a wagon started on the other two, but I would advise looking at them.
HF is weird. You're weird. LS is weird. Rsoultin is weird. Who knows if that is mafia indicative or not?
...and this.
##unvote
##vote milo109
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On July 08 2015 04:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 04:00 Half the Sky wrote:On July 08 2015 03:15 milo109 wrote:
Yo HtS, I don't really understand this style of play. I'll answer your questions, but may I ask why you have decided to have this rather elongated conversation with me, a scum read? I still think KelsierSC is scum, yes. He has had the opposite reaction to me on almost every major event in the game. I've also disliked most of his one-liners, and that is almost all of his posting. I also think there is scum on both the town and mafia side of his list, something a mafia would almost have to do. As for Damdred, I also still think he is mafia. I voted for Ritoky because there isn't enough time to get a wagon started on the other two, but I would advise looking at them.
HF is weird. You're weird. LS is weird. Rsoultin is weird. Who knows if that is mafia indicative or not? ...and this. ##unvote
##vote milo109 this... just isn't scummy?
Look at the final page (page 3) of his filter, he goes right from the post I quoted above to the list post that you cited. As in, from "who knows if that is mafia indicative...." to throwing us on a would-lynch list.
See the problem now?
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I'm not disputing what you posted HF, I think it's a good find.
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On July 08 2015 04:06 Vivax wrote:
Not a big fan of this milo wagon. He seems like a newbie to me
Have you looked into why he's being scumread?
It has nothing to do with his newbie status.
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On July 08 2015 04:16 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 04:15 marvellosity wrote:On July 08 2015 04:14 milo109 wrote:
Sigh. I'm two-shot cop. Fun fun fun. \o\ \o/ /o/ Was he attacking ritokys claim?
Well Harkon, for what it's worth....(bolded)
On July 08 2015 03:15 milo109 wrote:
Yo HtS, I don't really understand this style of play. I'll answer your questions, but may I ask why you have decided to have this rather elongated conversation with me, a scum read? I still think KelsierSC is scum, yes. He has had the opposite reaction to me on almost every major event in the game. I've also disliked most of his one-liners, and that is almost all of his posting. I also think there is scum on both the town and mafia side of his list, something a mafia would almost have to do. As for Damdred, I also still think he is mafia. I voted for Ritoky because there isn't enough time to get a wagon started on the other two, but I would advise looking at them.
HF is weird. You're weird. LS is weird. Rsoultin is weird. Who knows if that is mafia indicative or not?
I've never had one-shot anythings in any of my games - should I assume that multiple x-shot roles in the same game are possible?
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On July 08 2015 04:22 Harkon wrote:
That quote seems pretty irrelevant considering that ritoky claimed his role. And yeah, mutiple x-shot roles are possible. the question however is how likely do you think it is that both of the wagons we created today randomly hit 2 cops.
Very unlikely. I didn't believe ritoky's claim based on the rest of his gameplay and I don't believe milo's claim now.
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Ugh, based on milo's gameplay, I find his claim hard to believe, but realistically could both be scum? Milo being newbie, couldn't see him take that chance if he were newbie scum.
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On July 08 2015 04:29 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 04:29 ritoky wrote:
i believe him for now, back to HtS. she was silent when i suggested consolidating on me or her, then people suggested milo as an alternative and she suddenly reappeared to be opportunistic. along w/ previously stated stuff. More of this please ritoky
My vote was on you, I can't vote myself. I said a bazillion times you and he were my top two lynches. What is there for me to respond to? Not to mention you asked others why they werent' voting either one of us.
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On July 08 2015 04:29 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 04:22 Holyflare wrote:f5 "maybe hts will have replied to a single post directed to her suspicions on me and why they are wrong" f5 "maybe hts will have responded now" f5 "maybe hts just missed it, i'll repost it" f5 "maybe hts is writing a post" f5 "hts this is getting silly now" f5 "hts plz" On July 08 2015 04:06 Holyflare wrote:I'm disputing what you're saying because it looks like you are just adding things on that don't make sense for the sake of saying things (which I'm saying you've been doing all game) and you have totally ignored this post still: On July 08 2015 03:19 Holyflare wrote:On July 08 2015 03:15 Half the Sky wrote:On July 08 2015 03:10 Holyflare wrote:
he might be playing like mafia but then there's 4 other mafia in this game so i'd prefer we focus on those other people for a change and since HtS is blatently ignoring everything I write I don't mind lynching her at all. I don't mind milo lynch but I want people to talk about him with me. I'll be blunt here, I think you could be mafia and if you are, you have done a great job in the past derailing people with emotion and/or taking things out of context. I am still not at all impressed how/why you dropped the Trfel read or why you consider myself (or milo from your end) scummier than he. You REALLY can't understand why I think you're scummy??? After i've posted about 20 paragraphs about it and made a case? REALLY? Why do I care if you're impressed. If you town read Trfel and now I think his last post was honest and start town reading him why is your initial read of suspicion and how does that make sense for a mafia holyflare to even do. It doesn't, you're grasping at straws. You have no responses for any of the questions I raise. You misquote things, you take things out of context and then you try and spin it in a scummy way (milo post, ritoky actions) and then when I do it ONCE in this game (which isn't even true) you completely flip your read around. Your thoughts do not align with your actions. Your posts have no direction. Your scum read on milo did not progress in the slightest because you were "waiting for him to answer questions" despite him posting several times after that and I was asking him questions which you still didn't acknowledge. You keep posting how I am pushing milo but think you are also mafia which very likely makes me mafia but I am pushing milo and you think i'm mafia. That is the biggest double standard in this game. SO SO SO mafia double standardy in fact that i'm voting you. omfg hts how hard is this to do
My last read on Trfel was null....and waiting for him to return to thread. If you had an adequate reason to drop the read on Trfel that's one thing but you dropping the read on ritoky after you had the three of our names bolded also raised questions as to why.
I told you also why I wasnt' responding to you - I am also sick and tired of fighting with you, and I'd rather be more productive looking at others that we could be missing on. I haven't gotten a chance to look at the other people I'd had wanted to look and obviously at this point I do have a bad feeling scummers (maybe nto all of them, who knows) are just skating by.
I believe in the cases against both based on the gameplay of both but I've done it before and I've been wrong and if I am tunnelled on someone I shouldn't be, it's probably because of suboptimal play on my end, my target(s)' play or both. It's happened in Titanic 7, it's happened in Aperture, and it wouldn't surprise me at this point if it happened here.
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On July 08 2015 04:36 Harkon wrote:
Would you please answer HF before he has an aneurysm?
I just did. It may or may not satisfy him, but it is what it is.
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