EPTOn July 07 2015 04:58 Holyflare wrote:
ritoky is likely town, it is what it is, just move on
ritoky is likely town, it is what it is, just move on
I want to believe this, but why?
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On July 07 2015 05:09 boxerfred wrote: evasive bullshit. whats your read on ritoky? town or not town? I don't know. The claim is dumb as either alignment. I feel like he might be town doing this, and I think the correct mechanical play is to not lynch him today. | ||
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On July 07 2015 05:16 Harkon wrote: If he legitimately believed this was instant majority then it is not as dumb as it looks at first sight even though he should have looked that up before claiming. Nah that's bs, he had 5 votes on him and it takes 13. All he needed to do is start actually contributing. In fact all he had to do was show up and go "give me a bit to read the thread" and no one would have hammered him halfway through d1??? | ||
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On July 07 2015 07:08 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: BONUS BLUE HUNT EDITION ritoky was on my bluedar prior to the claim, im inclined to believe him. Kelsier is on BlueWatch, slightly less abrasive posting style and trying to act stupid at points, could also be an attempt by his ego to think he might actually get nightkilled night one in this game and is preserving himself (?) weird playstyle so far Oatsmaster is always a blue role so naturally he is on the watch list Rest of my reads are unimportant at this point as there isnt really anything concrete just little notes and stuff Look I realize your name is bluehunter but why exactly are you hunting blues? | ||
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On July 07 2015 20:43 marvellosity wrote: ok i totally retract this entire line of reasoning Good man. I haven't played with rsoultin I don't think, but her shitfest with HF seems townie just because I expect scum!rsoultin to back off at some point rather than play the "you're trying to marginalize me" card. I've been going back and forth on boxerfred. His vote has been parked on me the entire time except for switching to trfel when it looked like he was going to be the lynch. marv picks up a line of reasoning that I kinda get if he was just looking at filters. On July 07 2015 18:00 boxerfred wrote: no it's not. note: thus far I only caught up to page 76 which is where I quoted that post from. I hunted blues in my second game (trying to find masons). I did that as town and I went down the full newbie road. Bluehunter is saying nothing all game long. Then he comes up with that huge post, not being very solid, not following up on anything, but, well, going for blue roles. He's a smurf who called himself bluehunter. I don't buy the "he might be a newb" thing at all, no way, no. Instead, my tinfoilhat senses tell me that he throws that out, wanting people to exactly think what HF just said. like, "you wouldn't do that as mafia". Erm, of course you would. That's the same thought that is behind bussing a teammate. Do something that seemingly does not make sense for your alignment, wait for some naive town to point it out (or a teammate to point it out if no town member does it) and boom, there you go. I already didn't like this: Someone (don't remember who it was) said that this is a very natural thought. Scenario: you read your role pm, see "oh cool, I'm a blue - damn, I'm just VT". And yes, a similar thought came to my mind - but that happened when I read the OP before the game started. I assume that HF did the very same. We find this pattern of seemingly naive and honest posts in Bluehunter's as well as in Holyflare's playstyle in this game. When I read this my first thought was "he doesn't remember this was me? and he's voting me?!?" but looking again he's probably talking about someone else. I'm gonna go back to this post and just say he's town based on being super excited to "catch me in a lie" On July 06 2015 20:53 boxerfred wrote: that's a lie, page 16-21 are not all about your entry post. they are about a bit of "lel that claim", lots of shittalking and other stuff. nothing on you sheeping the VT claim. On July 07 2015 20:22 Palmar wrote: Tbh, if clarity is mafia it's because in literally the second post in the game he said holyflare claiming VT in the first post of the game is somehow "interesting". It's not interesting, people do this shit every fucking game and no one should give a fuck. The fact he tried to appear interested in something so completely and obviously worthless (nevermind that HF is the worst "dick around with claims" offender on TL) is actually kinda scummy and the reason I threw my vote on him yesterday. Like I think it's sort of mafia like but I don't know if I can convince people that calling something interesting that isn't interesting is a solid case for someone being mafia. Palmar, it was the start of the game, HF's first post WAS interesting, then I tried to move away from it and everyone still brings it up sooo... I thought it was a good way to start the game, and I still feel that way. Why exactly is "appearing to be interested in something that's not interesting" only something scum would do? Anyway this kinda fucking sucks but I'm not sure where to go from here. I like Holyflare's posting in general and I like his case on trfel, that said these two posts... On July 07 2015 14:34 Trfel wrote: I'm not spiting anyone. Almost every question I've asked has had a purpose. Some of it has led to something, some of it has not. Anyway, I recently learned that I might not be here for End of Day tomorrow. So it appears that I will need to thought dump tonight. On July 07 2015 15:01 Trfel wrote: In the event that I'm wrong about LightningStrike, answering this question would be the most harmful thing I could possibly do for town. And I guess I'm not convinced enough about LightningStrike to do that. If it means I get lynched for it, so be it. I have a hard time seeing scum!trfel doing this. I guess I'll have to read into the whole geript/oats thing. Oats has already shown he's not reading the thread but from what I remember that's not alignment indicative, and geript's posting has been better. | ||
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On July 07 2015 21:48 boxerfred wrote: Clarity, why do you claim the lie I caught you at, then say just now that you "tried to go away from the claim" although you said it's interesting in the first place? Makes no sense. Because when I said "just look at the first five pages it was all about my claim" I think it was when I pointed out you caught onto it late or something? Anyway I meant the start of the game but yes there wasn't much talk about it in the first 5 pages. The claim was interesting, then people wouldn't get over it (as I expected they would quite quickly) so I moved on, I think you called that post "moving suspicion to rsoultin" | ||
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On July 07 2015 22:02 boxerfred wrote: Oh wow. ##unvote ##vote Oatsmaster This is dumb | ||
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On July 07 2015 22:21 Harkon wrote: Marv, I am too lazy to check his past games - does clarity's towngame usually consist of giving out loads of weak townreads and no scumreads? No it doesn't but I'm kinda lost this game. They're just my observations, sorry that they're all town ones so far TT | ||
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On July 07 2015 23:46 Damdred wrote: Good morning guys, i've caught up to the thread and would like to push you all to kill clarity today. I'm not going to bother posting tons of quotes so you should fact check yourself after you get done reading. The first thing of note to look at when it comes to clarity is his weird way of reading HF at the start of the game. Something that is really Non alignment indicative gets him to totally town read HF and say that in no way would he lynch HF today and he would totally fight against his lynch today. To me this is extremely odd, openings are usually not really that important and when informed that HF is the best (arguably) scum player on this site, the stance never changed and no fear is shown at all towards HF. The next thing that really bugs me about Clarity is lack of follow up and ignoring of questions. I think that is extremely scummy behavior, if you look in his filter you will see that multiple times I asked him questions about the town read he gave HF, any more reads and his reasoning behind voteing wave and open ended questions. He ignores them until I continue to push them down his throat. He has no real follow up which I think is damning. The weird vote and unvote has been talked about a bit by Marv as being really strange. Wave really really hasn't done jack all this game so not sure why he would unvote as it feels sorta like hes just going with thread sentiment to an extent and going where its safe. HF pushes wave goes to wave, thread goes against ritoky jumps to ritoky. Now is trying to get marv to tell him where to go. And has no real reads at this point. TLDR Has no fear of people he says are town, ie HF after one post Lacks follow through on some posts/questions Lacks scum reads Follows thread sentiment and jumps to another when its available instead of pushing what he thinks. This guy is scum vot ehim. You are completely misrepresenting me. The questions you asked me were basically "please repeat yourself in a different way" which is a waste of time. I was the one pointing out wave's townread on me at the time made no sense, holyflare responded to MY question when he said there's a good chance WoS is scum. We had this whole conversation already yet you somehow completely ignore it? If you had read the thread the reason marv pointed out my unvote was weird was because he didn't have the context as he simply looked at filters. I asked marv what he was looking at as it struck me as odd we instantly replied to someone asking him a question but he was otherwise not active in the thread. "Has no fear of HF" Alright look fine. When I made the comment when the game just started it was because I had the exact same thought process as him, I realized right after I posted it was probably not great as it would basically be like me claiming VT so I wanted to get away from the whole thing and not talk about it. Too late I guess. I still believe HF is town, mainly due to his contributions and his little spat with rsoultin seems like town on town violence. Just because you haven't seen me post "so yeah I looked over HF and I still think he's town" doesn't mean I didn't go through that process. I kinda want to attack you for being super opportunistic with your case on me but I actually like the case and I think you're probably town soooooo... | ||
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People I would be okay with consolodating on in no particular order: Vivax BM Bluehunter <- I don't buy the whole "scum wouldn't bluehunt in thread" milo and maaaaybe ruxxar, I felt he was townie for the first half of day 1 but looking at him again I just don't really see If I need to I would consolidate on trfel but I'm not happy about it. Like I've said I like HF's arguments but his defense I find very towny. Oh and WIFOM ALERT why would I unvote WoS when I could have easily jsut sat on him? | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:20 marvellosity wrote: why is ruxxar a maybe and scott isn't there at all, for example? I haven't looked at scott in a while but he seemed pretty damn townie earlygame On July 08 2015 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Nobody went with you on WoS. Hardly an easy vote to keep. FINALLY SOMEONE DOESNT SCUMREAD ME. Why are you scumreading vivax? Mainly his whole "hey look guys I'm pushing geript but not really wheeeee" followed by nothing at all. | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:24 marvellosity wrote: does anyone think ritoky is town outside his claim? or at least, i should rephrase, are there posts that might make you think he could be? It's literally only the claim that makes me not lynch him today. I definitely think he's not 100% scum so the mechanical play for me is to let him live at least today, probably tomorrow too, then reevaluate if needed. That way if he is town he might show it, and if he is town then scum might have to deal with him anyway | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:26 marvellosity wrote: what's mechanical about it? it's one-shot and mafia will have a RBer and no other target. I mean if he's town and mafia wanna roleblock him two nights in a row that's great for town. | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:29 Harkon wrote: ??? You think he is misrepresenting you and the rest of your defense also does not indicate that you like the case. What about it makes him town? I mean he's wrong, obviously, but yeah I kinda like the case. It looks like a case a townie would make, dunno man | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:35 Damdred wrote: Honestly we should stop scatter gunning the conversation and focus on a couple of people to decide t o lynch, majority sucks honestly but we have to work within it. So who's on your "ok to lynch" list other than me? | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:46 marvellosity wrote: you go "good idea, ritoky is easily objectively the scummiest, and his one-shot claim is actually meaningless and it's the only reason the votes moved off him when he was leading the votes" marv you saw my comment about how when roleblocked the check is refunded right? Like I get it he looked really scummy and then he claimed, the claim is whatever... NAI, but if he's town then keeping him alive will hurt mafia by having to waste RB or KP on him, and if they waste KP that's even better. | ||
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