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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 10 2015 15:25 GMT
#4721
On July 11 2015 00:24 milo109 wrote:
Fine. I'll vote for myself on the condition that if I flip two-shot cop, you lynch HF and if he flips red you lynch boxer.

or we can just refuse and lynch you anyway
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 10 2015 15:25 GMT
#4722
On July 11 2015 00:24 milo109 wrote:
Fine. I'll vote for myself on the condition that if I flip two-shot cop, you lynch HF and if he flips red you lynch boxer.


Luckily we won't need your vote to lynch you so this is a really dumb deal.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 10 2015 15:26 GMT
#4723
On July 11 2015 00:21 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
sure I can give a basic list of updated scumreads.

Damdred
milo
meapak
trfel
Kelsier
obi

in order of sureness. Breshke would be right under that at my most scummy null but I dropped off him a bit.


Explain your scumread on meapak.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 10 2015 15:28 GMT
#4724
Hey milo what happened to responding to my case that you missed despite it taking up like half a page?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
July 10 2015 15:29 GMT
#4725
On July 11 2015 00:02 ruXxar wrote:
@LS:

Can you give me some reads on people? 3 town and 3 scum.

Town:
Marv: He been pretty happy this game and usually plays extremely lazy as scum.
HTS: Miller claim plus her play matches up to her town meta.
rsoultin: I going to have to use the rsoultin rule on this: If her and HF is doing a shitfest and they don't get along one of them is scum the other is town and I think she's town and her play is pretty similar to Linux just in a longer context :O
Scum:
Damdred: His early case on me is weird plus Geript tracked him to ritoky(I think if I reading the stuff correctly) who had claimed Cop.
Milo: Most likely TMI'd the roleblocker stuff and his play been pretty scummy.
Holyflare: See the rsoultin rule plus him getting mad at people for dumb points is very well in his scum meta.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 10 2015 15:31 GMT
#4726
I'm glad you have a scumread on Damdred for reasons other than that he claimed scum earlier in the day.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
July 10 2015 15:33 GMT
#4727
On July 11 2015 00:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm glad you have a scumread on Damdred for reasons other than that he claimed scum earlier in the day.

It seems you are being sarcastic here.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 10 2015 15:33 GMT
#4728
On July 11 2015 00:29 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 00:02 ruXxar wrote:
@LS:

Can you give me some reads on people? 3 town and 3 scum.

Town:
Marv: He been pretty happy this game and usually plays extremely lazy as scum.
HTS: Miller claim plus her play matches up to her town meta.
rsoultin: I going to have to use the rsoultin rule on this: If her and HF is doing a shitfest and they don't get along one of them is scum the other is town and I think she's town and her play is pretty similar to Linux just in a longer context :O
Scum:
Damdred: His early case on me is weird plus Geript tracked him to ritoky(I think if I reading the stuff correctly) who had claimed Cop.
Milo: Most likely TMI'd the roleblocker stuff and his play been pretty scummy.
Holyflare: See the rsoultin rule plus him getting mad at people for dumb points is very well in his scum meta.


Can you give some examples of dumb points he's getting mad at?

If you look outside damdred and milo who would you want to lynch after HF?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 15:33 GMT
#4729
On July 11 2015 00:25 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 00:13 Holyflare wrote:
OK now that all the annoying people are out of the thread can someone talk to me about trfel, specifically his case on me when he returned at deadline on day 1:

On July 08 2015 05:17 Trfel wrote:
I need to leave soon, and I haven't caught up in the thread.

I see that milo109 claimed two-shot cop, and Holyflare claimed vigilante.

If it's between milo109 and ritoky, I think I lynch ritoky.

I don't want to lynch Half the Sky, but I also don't know why people are scumreading her?

Anyway, (very) short version of why Holyflare is scum:

Someone once said that Holyflare gets mad as town, but not as scum. This isn't really true, but Holyflare's tone seems to be a fairly good way of reading him.

For example, in Linux Mafia, Holyflare was mad at most people in the game and towards the end of Day 1 started throwing suspicion more wildly at everyone. His anger didn't really have justification. Contrast with Guardians of the Galaxy, where Holyflare and Alakaslam scumread each other early on. Despite Alakaslam being somewhat scummy (he always is, to some extent), Holyflare eventually agreed that Alakaslam could be town, despite objectively having little reason for it. And he didn't let his anger get in the way of scumhunting.

Here, Holyflare's felt way too angry, way too often. One example of this is that he was angry at me. If Holyflare is very confident that I am scum, he should be happy at having caught me, not angry at me for doing scummy things. It makes sense for him to be angry at townies who don't want to lynch me. However, Holyflare's posting didn't at all seem interested in showing people why I am mafia, but instead focused on pointless arguing with me. Holyflare knows when an argument isn't going anywhere, especially when it's with one of his scumreads. Holyflare has no problem filling the thread with nonsense and arguing with no goal in mind.


Does this post align with what's happened this game? His comparisons are just based on anger but when he includes gameplay (such as guardians of the galaxy) he says i'm angry but i drop things despite objectively having no reason to. Yet, he should be able to see if he was reading the thread that i've done that several times (especially on him??) which should fit with stuff that he thinks is my town meta.

Furthermore, it seems like his post doesn't even realise that I wasn't scum reading him anymore since it states stuff like "if he's so sure why is he treating me this way" but doesn't acknowledge that I'm not actually reading him that way any more.

+ Show Spoiler +
I don't even know what i'm concluding from this but i'd like to know if he was actually caught up when writing this post because if he has this is pretty scummy.

You backing off in the end doesn't invalidate his point though. Trfel is no beacon of townyness but this is still easily his best post.


Yes it does. It fits exactly with what he calls me town for. Being angry just means nothing.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 10 2015 15:34 GMT
#4730
what's the point ruxxar?

LS is effectively confirmed town right now.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 10 2015 15:34 GMT
#4731
Even if the reasons are completely stupid as "he was tracked to ritoky" is actually explained by him being JK. That said he's claimed scum sooooo..

LS you're confirmed town, so I'd like you to actually pay attention and try to figure out the game. How you can put a scumread on Damdred out there for these reasons is beyond me
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 10 2015 15:34 GMT
#4732
On July 11 2015 00:34 marvellosity wrote:
what's the point ruxxar?

LS is effectively confirmed town right now.


Hey you. Stop doing that, it's turning me on a little.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
July 10 2015 15:36 GMT
#4733
On July 11 2015 00:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
Even if the reasons are completely stupid as "he was tracked to ritoky" is actually explained by him being JK. That said he's claimed scum sooooo..

LS you're confirmed town, so I'd like you to actually pay attention and try to figure out the game. How you can put a scumread on Damdred out there for these reasons is beyond me

Because it's me? Anyways I prob should filter dive people for the 4th and 5th scum but I remember MZ had to step it up today but I will check his filter.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 10 2015 15:36 GMT
#4734
Clarity, I said I would get to it at lunch. But I'm not really in the mood to write up a long rebuttal that will just be ignored. I'll be back after the flip.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 10 2015 15:36 GMT
#4735
like i have no idea what the point of asking someone who is 99% town what their 4th and 5th scumreads are when we haven't even flipped one yet. it's silly.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 10 2015 15:37 GMT
#4736
On July 11 2015 00:36 milo109 wrote:
Clarity, I said I would get to it at lunch. But I'm not really in the mood to write up a long rebuttal that will just be ignored. I'll be back after the flip.

i won't ignore it, fwiw.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 10 2015 15:38 GMT
#4737
On July 11 2015 00:26 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 00:21 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
sure I can give a basic list of updated scumreads.

Damdred
milo
meapak
trfel
Kelsier
obi

in order of sureness. Breshke would be right under that at my most scummy null but I dropped off him a bit.


Explain your scumread on meapak.


I'm actually more interested in seeing EBH explanations for KSC and obi. What are you seeing there that some of us are not?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 10 2015 15:40 GMT
#4738
On July 11 2015 00:34 marvellosity wrote:
what's the point ruxxar?

LS is effectively confirmed town right now.


I want to know what he thinks of the game. If he's picked up on something I might've overlooked.
Right now I'm reading HF town, which is why I'm curious of why he has a different opinion.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 10 2015 15:42 GMT
#4739
Also, since he's "confirmed" town, then his opinion should hold slightly more weight since it's coming from an honest standpoint.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 10 2015 15:42 GMT
#4740
it's weird.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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