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ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 10 2015 15:02 GMT
#4701
@LS:

Can you give me some reads on people? 3 town and 3 scum.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 10 2015 15:02 GMT
#4702
LS, ignore marv. He is 12.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 15:03 GMT
#4703
On July 10 2015 23:55 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 23:50 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 11:24 milo109 wrote:
It's harder to read Damdred when you aren't mafia. I'm gonna call him mafia here though.


Milo went from calling Kelsier scum immediately after Kelsier said Damdred is scum, to scumreading damdred when there was no longer pressure on him, without reasons.


This is pretty much the simular thing that went down in Holy Guardians he was hard defending the scummy townies in Chocolate and Templar who both eventually got mislynched because they were legitimately playing scummy. No one picked up on it that game. TMI is the pattern here.


So why did you ignore the question when i was asking about milo defending trfel? :s

I mean like... You never even acknowledged it and you're telling me you knew this all along and didn't say anything about it when it's his mafia meta to do exactly what i was saying? :s:s
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 10 2015 15:04 GMT
#4704
On July 11 2015 00:02 Harkon wrote:
LS, ignore marv. He is 12.

can confirm
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 10 2015 15:08 GMT
#4705
On July 10 2015 19:12 Vivax wrote:
Feel free to give me a taste of the whip if I keep being lazy for too long.


Who's your top town / scum reads atm and why?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 10 2015 15:10 GMT
#4706
On July 10 2015 23:44 Half the Sky wrote:
My null/need to re-evaluate list is oats, ruXxar (I'm seeing both town and scum tells), EBH (I cannot wrap my arms around him), vivax and Scott.

Of those people I have town on I could be wrong on Boxerfred (he's a lean but still) and Ras (as stated).

I know some have their doubts on KSC and Breske I think both are town.

So two in the Damdred/milo/rit, and absent the claims all had reason to question their gameplay.

MZ and HF would be 4 for me and 5th scum is someone in my re evaluate list.


that's a shame I like hugs.

at least marv would think im cute
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 10 2015 15:10 GMT
#4707
On July 11 2015 00:03 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 23:55 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 10 2015 23:50 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 11:24 milo109 wrote:
It's harder to read Damdred when you aren't mafia. I'm gonna call him mafia here though.


Milo went from calling Kelsier scum immediately after Kelsier said Damdred is scum, to scumreading damdred when there was no longer pressure on him, without reasons.


This is pretty much the simular thing that went down in Holy Guardians he was hard defending the scummy townies in Chocolate and Templar who both eventually got mislynched because they were legitimately playing scummy. No one picked up on it that game. TMI is the pattern here.


So why did you ignore the question when i was asking about milo defending trfel? :s

I mean like... You never even acknowledged it and you're telling me you knew this all along and didn't say anything about it when it's his mafia meta to do exactly what i was saying? :s:s


I could be wrong but may have been the time I had you on ignore. I had been scum reading milo for other reasons anyhow through d1.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 10 2015 15:13 GMT
#4708
Going through Vivax's filter, provided I don't get interrupted here...,
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 15:13 GMT
#4709
OK now that all the annoying people are out of the thread can someone talk to me about trfel, specifically his case on me when he returned at deadline on day 1:

On July 08 2015 05:17 Trfel wrote:
I need to leave soon, and I haven't caught up in the thread.

I see that milo109 claimed two-shot cop, and Holyflare claimed vigilante.

If it's between milo109 and ritoky, I think I lynch ritoky.

I don't want to lynch Half the Sky, but I also don't know why people are scumreading her?

Anyway, (very) short version of why Holyflare is scum:

Someone once said that Holyflare gets mad as town, but not as scum. This isn't really true, but Holyflare's tone seems to be a fairly good way of reading him.

For example, in Linux Mafia, Holyflare was mad at most people in the game and towards the end of Day 1 started throwing suspicion more wildly at everyone. His anger didn't really have justification. Contrast with Guardians of the Galaxy, where Holyflare and Alakaslam scumread each other early on. Despite Alakaslam being somewhat scummy (he always is, to some extent), Holyflare eventually agreed that Alakaslam could be town, despite objectively having little reason for it. And he didn't let his anger get in the way of scumhunting.

Here, Holyflare's felt way too angry, way too often. One example of this is that he was angry at me. If Holyflare is very confident that I am scum, he should be happy at having caught me, not angry at me for doing scummy things. It makes sense for him to be angry at townies who don't want to lynch me. However, Holyflare's posting didn't at all seem interested in showing people why I am mafia, but instead focused on pointless arguing with me. Holyflare knows when an argument isn't going anywhere, especially when it's with one of his scumreads. Holyflare has no problem filling the thread with nonsense and arguing with no goal in mind.


Does this post align with what's happened this game? His comparisons are just based on anger but when he includes gameplay (such as guardians of the galaxy) he says i'm angry but i drop things despite objectively having no reason to. Yet, he should be able to see if he was reading the thread that i've done that several times (especially on him??) which should fit with stuff that he thinks is my town meta.

Furthermore, it seems like his post doesn't even realise that I wasn't scum reading him anymore since it states stuff like "if he's so sure why is he treating me this way" but doesn't acknowledge that I'm not actually reading him that way any more.

+ Show Spoiler +
I don't even know what i'm concluding from this but i'd like to know if he was actually caught up when writing this post because if he has this is pretty scummy.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 10 2015 15:14 GMT
#4710
On July 11 2015 00:08 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 19:12 Vivax wrote:
Feel free to give me a taste of the whip if I keep being lazy for too long.


Who's your top town / scum reads atm and why?


I'd like to know top reads (scum reads at very worst) from him EBH, Oats.

I think Scott posted recently but if you didn't same thing please.


The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 10 2015 15:15 GMT
#4711
On July 10 2015 23:44 Half the Sky wrote:
My null/need to re-evaluate list is oats, ruXxar (I'm seeing both town and scum tells), EBH (I cannot wrap my arms around him), vivax and Scott.

Of those people I have town on I could be wrong on Boxerfred (he's a lean but still) and Ras (as stated).

I know some have their doubts on KSC and Breske I think both are town.

So two in the Damdred/milo/rit, and absent the claims all had reason to question their gameplay.

MZ and HF would be 4 for me and 5th scum is someone in my re evaluate list.


HTS, what makes you think KSC and Breshke are town?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 15:15 GMT
#4712
On July 11 2015 00:10 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 00:03 Holyflare wrote:
On July 10 2015 23:55 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 10 2015 23:50 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 11:24 milo109 wrote:
It's harder to read Damdred when you aren't mafia. I'm gonna call him mafia here though.


Milo went from calling Kelsier scum immediately after Kelsier said Damdred is scum, to scumreading damdred when there was no longer pressure on him, without reasons.


This is pretty much the simular thing that went down in Holy Guardians he was hard defending the scummy townies in Chocolate and Templar who both eventually got mislynched because they were legitimately playing scummy. No one picked up on it that game. TMI is the pattern here.


So why did you ignore the question when i was asking about milo defending trfel? :s

I mean like... You never even acknowledged it and you're telling me you knew this all along and didn't say anything about it when it's his mafia meta to do exactly what i was saying? :s:s


I could be wrong but may have been the time I had you on ignore. I had been scum reading milo for other reasons anyhow through d1.


you are a mean person
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 10 2015 15:18 GMT
#4713
On July 11 2015 00:13 Holyflare wrote:
OK now that all the annoying people are out of the thread can someone talk to me about trfel, specifically his case on me when he returned at deadline on day 1:

Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 05:17 Trfel wrote:
I need to leave soon, and I haven't caught up in the thread.

I see that milo109 claimed two-shot cop, and Holyflare claimed vigilante.

If it's between milo109 and ritoky, I think I lynch ritoky.

I don't want to lynch Half the Sky, but I also don't know why people are scumreading her?

Anyway, (very) short version of why Holyflare is scum:

Someone once said that Holyflare gets mad as town, but not as scum. This isn't really true, but Holyflare's tone seems to be a fairly good way of reading him.

For example, in Linux Mafia, Holyflare was mad at most people in the game and towards the end of Day 1 started throwing suspicion more wildly at everyone. His anger didn't really have justification. Contrast with Guardians of the Galaxy, where Holyflare and Alakaslam scumread each other early on. Despite Alakaslam being somewhat scummy (he always is, to some extent), Holyflare eventually agreed that Alakaslam could be town, despite objectively having little reason for it. And he didn't let his anger get in the way of scumhunting.

Here, Holyflare's felt way too angry, way too often. One example of this is that he was angry at me. If Holyflare is very confident that I am scum, he should be happy at having caught me, not angry at me for doing scummy things. It makes sense for him to be angry at townies who don't want to lynch me. However, Holyflare's posting didn't at all seem interested in showing people why I am mafia, but instead focused on pointless arguing with me. Holyflare knows when an argument isn't going anywhere, especially when it's with one of his scumreads. Holyflare has no problem filling the thread with nonsense and arguing with no goal in mind.


Does this post align with what's happened this game? His comparisons are just based on anger but when he includes gameplay (such as guardians of the galaxy) he says i'm angry but i drop things despite objectively having no reason to. Yet, he should be able to see if he was reading the thread that i've done that several times (especially on him??) which should fit with stuff that he thinks is my town meta.

Furthermore, it seems like his post doesn't even realise that I wasn't scum reading him anymore since it states stuff like "if he's so sure why is he treating me this way" but doesn't acknowledge that I'm not actually reading him that way any more.

+ Show Spoiler +
I don't even know what i'm concluding from this but i'd like to know if he was actually caught up when writing this post because if he has this is pretty scummy.


I feel like Trfel has lost touch with the game. He even said it himself that he hasn't read the last 100 pages.
I think he just took the interaction from earlier, compared it to another game you've played and then made a case out of that without following the thread.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 10 2015 15:21 GMT
#4714
sure I can give a basic list of updated scumreads.

Damdred
milo
meapak
trfel
Kelsier
obi

in order of sureness. Breshke would be right under that at my most scummy null but I dropped off him a bit.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 10 2015 15:22 GMT
#4715
Right now I feel like trfel is making a feeble attempt at appearing towny, while not really caring for the game at all.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 10 2015 15:24 GMT
#4716
Fine. I'll vote for myself on the condition that if I flip two-shot cop, you lynch HF and if he flips red you lynch boxer.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
July 10 2015 15:24 GMT
#4717
On July 11 2015 00:00 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 23:50 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 10 2015 23:48 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 10 2015 23:42 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 10 2015 23:40 marvellosity wrote:
On July 10 2015 23:39 Half the Sky wrote:
I'm a hardcore runner Marv. I cannot help it. If you have something better (do you run?)

I've been running a little over the summer. But it's a lot of effort, i prefer weights :p

i just think if running is a metaphor for life, then life sucks. Replace "running" with "sex" and the quote instantly gets better.

Only you would think that.


To be fair he's not. I ran once with a friend with a slogan of "runners high is better than sex" or something like that and she got a few comments from people that she's probably doing it wrong xD

In any case good to see you've taken it up. It is hard to get started but patience is the way to go. Good luck!

Oh god lol. Well I should take up running but I got very little motivation to do it :|

take up sex instead?

I don't got a girlfriend sadly
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 15:25 GMT
#4718
On July 11 2015 00:24 milo109 wrote:
Fine. I'll vote for myself on the condition that if I flip two-shot cop, you lynch HF and if he flips red you lynch boxer.


uhh huh?
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 10 2015 15:25 GMT
#4719
On July 11 2015 00:15 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 23:44 Half the Sky wrote:
My null/need to re-evaluate list is oats, ruXxar (I'm seeing both town and scum tells), EBH (I cannot wrap my arms around him), vivax and Scott.

Of those people I have town on I could be wrong on Boxerfred (he's a lean but still) and Ras (as stated).

I know some have their doubts on KSC and Breske I think both are town.

So two in the Damdred/milo/rit, and absent the claims all had reason to question their gameplay.

MZ and HF would be 4 for me and 5th scum is someone in my re evaluate list.


HTS, what makes you think KSC and Breshke are town?


The short answer to both questions is d1 play. I know you hate the use of meta but that helped me with Breshke.
For KSC he also pinged Damdred on the nature of his pushes (esp wave) early on. KSC has fallen off but skimming the area where LS claimed I know he got back in at some point so if you have reason to scumread him on d2 play, what is it? Or is it just the fact you've thinking he's fallen off?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 10 2015 15:25 GMT
#4720
On July 11 2015 00:13 Holyflare wrote:
OK now that all the annoying people are out of the thread can someone talk to me about trfel, specifically his case on me when he returned at deadline on day 1:

Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 05:17 Trfel wrote:
I need to leave soon, and I haven't caught up in the thread.

I see that milo109 claimed two-shot cop, and Holyflare claimed vigilante.

If it's between milo109 and ritoky, I think I lynch ritoky.

I don't want to lynch Half the Sky, but I also don't know why people are scumreading her?

Anyway, (very) short version of why Holyflare is scum:

Someone once said that Holyflare gets mad as town, but not as scum. This isn't really true, but Holyflare's tone seems to be a fairly good way of reading him.

For example, in Linux Mafia, Holyflare was mad at most people in the game and towards the end of Day 1 started throwing suspicion more wildly at everyone. His anger didn't really have justification. Contrast with Guardians of the Galaxy, where Holyflare and Alakaslam scumread each other early on. Despite Alakaslam being somewhat scummy (he always is, to some extent), Holyflare eventually agreed that Alakaslam could be town, despite objectively having little reason for it. And he didn't let his anger get in the way of scumhunting.

Here, Holyflare's felt way too angry, way too often. One example of this is that he was angry at me. If Holyflare is very confident that I am scum, he should be happy at having caught me, not angry at me for doing scummy things. It makes sense for him to be angry at townies who don't want to lynch me. However, Holyflare's posting didn't at all seem interested in showing people why I am mafia, but instead focused on pointless arguing with me. Holyflare knows when an argument isn't going anywhere, especially when it's with one of his scumreads. Holyflare has no problem filling the thread with nonsense and arguing with no goal in mind.


Does this post align with what's happened this game? His comparisons are just based on anger but when he includes gameplay (such as guardians of the galaxy) he says i'm angry but i drop things despite objectively having no reason to. Yet, he should be able to see if he was reading the thread that i've done that several times (especially on him??) which should fit with stuff that he thinks is my town meta.

Furthermore, it seems like his post doesn't even realise that I wasn't scum reading him anymore since it states stuff like "if he's so sure why is he treating me this way" but doesn't acknowledge that I'm not actually reading him that way any more.

+ Show Spoiler +
I don't even know what i'm concluding from this but i'd like to know if he was actually caught up when writing this post because if he has this is pretty scummy.

You backing off in the end doesn't invalidate his point though. Trfel is no beacon of townyness but this is still easily his best post.
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