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On July 16 2015 10:21 Breshke wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 16 2015 09:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 09:38 Breshke wrote:On July 16 2015 09:28 Holyflare wrote:
I think oats is town because his play on day 1 basically only comes from someone who knows about being a VT and if he was mafia he would directly understand that geript was a blue instead and yet geript wasn't shot at all. I think besides that his play has been relatively active/intuitive and towny.
I also think Vivax is town because of activity and yes his posts have been weird but I have town feels from them and he seems to be pushing his ideas which are more in line with a town vivax than anything.
Wave is purely meta and a geript read so it could be completely wrong.
I realise that PoE's me but I am not mafia either, I also kind of like VA's posting and yeh it looks like he's "too right" but VA isn't that bad and his posts haven't been awful and have been in line with what i'm thinking most of the time (obi, kelsier etc) I realise that like.... literally leaves just me and ruxxar but I don't really have a read on ruxxar and i'm town so that pretty much means your PoE is very likely wrong (mayyybeeee not on VA and ruxxar but i think VA is probably town) genuinely thankyou for this. Can you explain the "comes from someone who knows about being a VT" bit about oats and also elaborate or show me what posts from vivax you egt townfeels from? Also you have a problem with some people for townreading you when they have no buisness town reading you. Why do you not apply this to ruxxar aswell? Do you find the reasons for his townread on you to be legitimate? Well, oats pushed geript for his "scum slip" thing all of day one right? Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun. Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you? Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:16 geript wrote:On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun. Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you? First off, that's one word dumbass. Second the word investigator means nothing to me. It shouldn't to anyone. It's fucking stupid. Roles are listed in the op. scumslip It genuinely looks like Oats is a VT and "caught" out geript in his scum slip thing and besides that he had actual logical reasons to scum read geript too, he elaborated more on it later: Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 01:59 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 01:55 Harkon wrote:Let's look at oats scumslip accusations: On July 07 2015 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:16 geript wrote:On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun. Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you? First off, that's one word dumbass. Second the word investigator means nothing to me. It shouldn't to anyone. It's fucking stupid. Roles are listed in the op. scumslip This is extremely stupid since geript says in the very same post that roles (for example the VT role investigator) are listed in the OP. On July 07 2015 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:22 geript wrote:
I think he's trying to say he scumslipped and was just following what HF did early not realizing there are two investigators. scumslip x2 This is weird because geript doesn't connect the investigator to the VT role like I just said. I also already pointed that out when it happened. The 2 investigators comment itself is perfectly fine. except geript isnt referring to the VT role pm when he says "roles", hes referring to the blue roles available in the game. Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 02:14 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 02:11 geript wrote:On July 08 2015 02:07 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 02:04 geript wrote:On June 19 2015 05:29 Blazinghand wrote:
DMLE Investigator (Vanilla Townie): You’ve been working in Precinct 16 for a long time. You’ve seen a lot of messed up things in your day. When the going gets tough, you don’t stop. Every case takes a little bit out of you, but someone has to do this work. You are a VT.
Investigator Extraordinaire (Vigilante): You keep on thinking back to your idol, Rita Skeeter. You want to be just like her. You’re not gonna let things like an “ongoing investigation” or “hostage situation” stop you from writing your character assassination pieces. You’re a journalist; you and your quick-quotes quill doesn’t afraid of anyone. At night, you can fire a bullet to deal 1 kp to a target. You can't shoot during night 1.
Very hard to read the OP. Much tough. Very braindead. So why didnt you say something referring investigator to vt? Why would I need to? because thats clearly what I was talking about if you had gotten the vt role pm. But you didnt, so you messed up. To oats, it was obvious that geript did not get the VT pm and he spent ages tunneling on it (I actually really like all of his posts d1 and maybe I should ignore oats less  ) so if he was mafia he'd know that geript was actually blue.
Vivax is a bit hard to quantify but i'll try in a bit I kinda wrote this off because i thought it was dumb. Like the last quote chain especially im not sure what interaction oats was looking for with geript. I found it weird but not alignment indicative weird more like i dont get this weird. I thought it was fairly clear that geript ment that the word investigator shouldn't mean anything to anyone because the pms are listen in the OP. I do understand the logic though that oats seemed fairly certain it meant geript was not VT so if he was mafia he would have likely pushed for that nightkill. This is a good reason to townread oats. On July 16 2015 09:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 09:38 Breshke wrote:On July 16 2015 09:28 Holyflare wrote:
I think oats is town because his play on day 1 basically only comes from someone who knows about being a VT and if he was mafia he would directly understand that geript was a blue instead and yet geript wasn't shot at all. I think besides that his play has been relatively active/intuitive and towny.
I also think Vivax is town because of activity and yes his posts have been weird but I have town feels from them and he seems to be pushing his ideas which are more in line with a town vivax than anything.
Wave is purely meta and a geript read so it could be completely wrong.
I realise that PoE's me but I am not mafia either, I also kind of like VA's posting and yeh it looks like he's "too right" but VA isn't that bad and his posts haven't been awful and have been in line with what i'm thinking most of the time (obi, kelsier etc) I realise that like.... literally leaves just me and ruxxar but I don't really have a read on ruxxar and i'm town so that pretty much means your PoE is very likely wrong (mayyybeeee not on VA and ruxxar but i think VA is probably town) genuinely thankyou for this. Can you explain the "comes from someone who knows about being a VT" bit about oats and also elaborate or show me what posts from vivax you egt townfeels from? Also you have a problem with some people for townreading you when they have no buisness town reading you. Why do you not apply this to ruxxar aswell? Do you find the reasons for his townread on you to be legitimate? Nah, I just explained I don't have a read on ruxxar. His situation is also a bit different because he JUST played in a mafia game with me together so I expected him to have a different insight into things than Clarity for example who keeps denying anything being told to him. Ruxxar's read is based on his anecdotal facts and own point of view and Clarity's is based purely on.... who knows and when you don't really know a player and everyone is screaming in your face otherwise and you still keep that read then it's pretty fucking scummy to me. Yeh, I do have a weakness for people defending me too and rsoultin should know that because she did exactly the same to me in another game so saying it's weird is pretty bad for her anyway. Did you read my stuff on Obi Breshke? Both the night posts and post I just made now? Why do you have him as town? Okay i see how that doesn't really apply but can you look at this post please. On July 14 2015 01:29 ruXxar wrote:
I was scum with HF last game, and I have a townlean on him this game.
In general I find HF hard to read, he doesn't conform to the stereotypic mafia player.
There are however small nuances that I think makes him town this game, compared to last game.
1) He's actually pushing logical targets. I find myself agreeing with a lot of his reasoning, as compared to just trying to tunnel people to death with weak arguments and a play on emotions.
Last game he tried to lynch people by ridiculing them and their arguments and being over the top and shouting at them. Blowing things out of proportions and trying to make them look stupid.
I'm seeing a relatively more "calm" and reasoning HF this game. More serious and down to business.
2) He's more wishy washy. This doesn't mean that he IS wishy washy in a general sense, but in a relative sense compared to last game. Especially the night when were lynched BM he seemed a bit all over the place, uncertain where to go. You see that he sometimes have a hard time picking a target to lynch, I can relate to that very well.
That isn't the scum HF I played with last game. He mainly picked one target and stuck with it, and didn't waver much.
3) He's re-evaluating his stance.
You can see multiple times throughout the game that he's re-evaluating his stance on people.
This is apparent in how he's re-evaluating his stance on both trfel, hts, milo and others continuously, jumping from towny to scummy based on their actions/reactions.
That's my opinion on HF so far this game, I don't agree that shooting him is a good idea.
If anything, shoot Rsoul. Do you think these reasons could make him have such a strong townread that he doesn't really seem to second guess it. I think all of these things are entirely possible for you to do as town. Number 1 is the best reason i find but it still shouldn't make his read so concrete. He speaks with such authority like he knows your play so well and hey maybe he does but i find it really hard to believe coming from someone who has played what? 1 game with you? Also if anything the second reason concerning the BM lynch I wouldn't really say is townie since we know it was town v town and this was posted after the MZ flip but he doesn't even take this into account in his read. I have read your obi stuff but i don't really remember it, i will definitely go back and take a look at it sometime soon like this phase though.
That post described why I had been reading him as town up until that point.
What solidified his town position for me and why he's currently my strongest townread, I outlined in this post:
On July 15 2015 22:36 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 22:06 rsoultin wrote:
eh prob that you take ages to answer any question directed at you ruxx lol >< i've generally been chalking it up to not being a native english speaker, but it could be easily construed as either avoiding the question or being too careful with your wording
you've been hard-defending/hard-townreading hf all game practically? (i know you claim that you haven't, but taking up shit reasons to call me scum that basically involve "obstructing" hf is pretty much the same thing xP unless you're a supremely illogical person)
like, it's nice that you're doing work and all with the flipped scum filters, but you don't seem to really be getting anywhere with them? why so cool all of a sudden on hf? too me it looks a whole lot like you're just setting up to vote him if he doesn't come back while making it easy to not lynch him if he does -_- does the martyring make you think he's less town or are you just "pissed"? How am I avoiding questions when I'm answering them? I know I take a long reason answering questions and there's a good reason for that. I don't want to say stupid stuff that's going to come back to bite me in the ass later and get me mis-lynched. What good does it serve me if I have to go back and explain all the errors I made in my statements when I can just get it right the first time? It's a waste of my time and does not help us get anywhere. I don't town-read HF any less for his martyring, but I dislike martyring strongly. In honor of the spirit of the game you should never quit and go against your win condition. I know it's easy to take the high road here, but I don't see how you can play this game and not expect to have to deal with hardships. What pisses me off especially about HF is how I KNOW that he is good at defending himself if he wants to. I was mafia with him last game, I've seen first hand what he's capable of. I was expecting more out of him, but I don't read it as scummy behavior. In fact, I think it makes him even more towny. I think that if HF was scum he would feel an obligation to his mafia team to never give up. From playing and talking with him last game that is what my gut tells me that HF would do. Just look at how he fought against the tides with the red-check on him for such a long time when people kept bringing up the same logic over and over against him. I don't see mafia HF giving up this easily.
I saw how HF was struggling so hard as mafia against all odds last game, and it was a miracle that we won.
I refuse to believe that HF would give up as mafia when he has an obligation to his team, and also his pride on the line as the best scum player on TL.
Like, he was attack from all fronts and I even bussed him super hard and he still didn't give up.
Yes my meta read is based on that one game together, but I believe strongly that HF would not give up as scum.
If you show me a game where he did give up as scum then sure, my townread on him might dip a little, but that doesn't nullify the other things I'm townreading him for.
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I'm not going to get onto the HF train.
I've stated my position, and I may be swayed into lynching HF tomorrow, but not before that.
Right now I still feel good about a vivax or rsoul lynch.
I don't feel so good about an obi lynch.
I've had a slight town lean on him this game, and him defending me makes me not want to vote for him either.
If I had to choose between a HF and an Obi lynch i'd reluctantly lynch Obi, but I'm not feeling good about lynching either.
I'm going to vote for vivax and if anyone wants to join me that's cool.
@Obi.
HF has a point about your stance switch on clarity.
Reading your filter all I see is clarity is mafia until HF martyrs and after that it's suddenly "I don't want to lynch clarity anymore".
1) Can you explain exactly what made you change your stance on clarity?
Are you saying that clarity is no longer a scum-read or that you simply have stronger scum-reads atm?
2) I'd like you to expand a bit on why your top scum-reads are what they are.
Reading your filter I can't find many reasons for your scum-reads.
Can you write a short summary on why you scum-read these people: EBH, HF, Clarity?
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On July 16 2015 22:39 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 22:36 ruXxar wrote:
I'm not going to get onto the HF train.
I've stated my position, and I may be swayed into lynching HF tomorrow, but not before that.
Right now I still feel good about a vivax or rsoul lynch.
I don't feel so good about an obi lynch.
I've had a slight town lean on him this game, and him defending me makes me not want to vote for him either.
If I had to choose between a HF and an Obi lynch i'd reluctantly lynch Obi, but I'm not feeling good about lynching either.
I'm going to vote for vivax and if anyone wants to join me that's cool.
@Obi.
HF has a point about your stance switch on clarity.
Reading your filter all I see is clarity is mafia until HF martyrs and after that it's suddenly "I don't want to lynch clarity anymore".
1) Can you explain exactly what made you change your stance on clarity?
Are you saying that clarity is no longer a scum-read or that you simply have stronger scum-reads atm?
2) I'd like you to expand a bit on why your top scum-reads are what they are.
Reading your filter I can't find many reasons for your scum-reads.
Can you write a short summary on why you scum-read these people: EBH, HF, Clarity? Wow you think obi's town read or you makes him look towny? "yeh i dunno.. Activity!" that's what you like about him ruxxar?
No that's now why I've had him as a slight town-read this game.
I just have a natural preference for liking people town-reading me.
I got the town-read on him from the interaction we had earlier.
I got the feeling that he was really listening to what I was saying and evaluating my point when no one else was listening to my case on rsoul.
If I'd judge his filter as a standalone i'd say it's pretty lackluster from how there's many scum call-outs without much if any reasoning behind it.
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Actually looking at obi's filter more in depth I don't see him doing much of anything besides calling people mafia here and there without reasoning.
Reconsidering it, I don't think an Obi lynch is the worst thing in the world.
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So right now I want all of you trying to lynch HF to put in your mind for a second that he's town.
Then go through his game and see what he's accomplished and compare it to your average citizen joe.
If the only reason you're lynching him is because LS is saying "we need to lynch HF", then you're not thinking clearly here.
The maint antagonist to HF if you will is Rsoultin.
Comparing what they both have done this game I'm shocked that everyone thinks HF is scum over rsoultin.
Their contribution to this game is night and day.
What HF has done:
- He's pushed on Trfel
- He's pushed on Rsoul
- He's pushed on HTS
- He tried to help Milo defend himself when everyone else had given up, even if Milo couldn't be bothered.
- He's pushed on Obi
He's actually looked at the arguments people made and picked them apart and showed where they're flawed.
He's pointed out peoples inconsistencies time and time again.
He did it vs Trfel,
He did it vs HTS.
He did it vs Obi
He did it vs other people I don't remember right now.
Point is he doesn't take no for an answer and he actually pushes HARD and doesn't want to be ignored.
How can you not see that being pro-town?
When people try to point put scum on him he doesn't just say "fuck off you're retarded"
He actually says "show me where I've said such things and I'll explain to you why I'm wrong".
He's inviting people to scrutiny him: "Here look at my filter, point out where I'm scummy" and we can have a discussion.
He's not afraid to show his true colors and have a reasonable argument with people.
That's actually the thing he wants more than anything is for people to read his arguments and discuss them instead of having them being ignored all the time.
In comparsion, what has Rsoultin done?
- Defended trfel.
That's it! I can't remember one single push she's made on anyone.
It's all fluff from start to finish.
Oh sure, she's active, but she's not doing jack shit.
All she's done is argue with people and comment on what people are saying.
Has she made a case on anyone? no
Has she pushed on anyone? no
Holyflare's contributions to this game is like 10x more valuable than what rsoultin has done.
I don't understand why you people are so satisfied with lynching HF as if it's some kind of personal achievement of "yeah we lynched the tyrant".
If you're voting HF because he martyred then sure, I agree that martyring sucks and I can see why you don't like his attitude. I agree that his attitude was poor.
But try to put that out of your mind and look at what he's actually done this game.
After he came back he even did a ton of work and he corrected his attitude to a mellower tone and then rsoul tries to stir up to a shitfight again by threatening him.
Can't you see how it's always rsoultin that's always the cause of the shitfighting this game?
She did it when he was pushing on trfel,
She did it when I made a case on her,
She did it now after Holyflare came back and actually tried to have a nice attitude.
If you can't see that you're just blind.
I can't just sit here and let you guys go ahead and lynch our most valuable player for stupid reasons while ignoring all the good contributions he's brought to this game.
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On July 16 2015 23:58 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 23:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 16 2015 23:52 boxerfred wrote:
ah screw it
##vote Clarity I really think I hit something there. is this your final vote position? Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 23:56 boxerfred wrote:
Also Ruxxar's post catapults him to a town read in my "HF is town" world. So here's what I'm gonna do: I'll strictly believe that HF and Ruxxar and LS are town. Boom. Either that world is correct and I'm fine with any lynch that is not in between those three, or I'll go down in flames and pitchforks if my reads and believes are incorrect.
I want to lynch Clarity and rsoul with highest priority, sheeping ruxxar at that point, then with a "I'm afraid she's scum"-gutfeeling/meta-read I want to lynch HtS. Would lynch clarity, rsoul or hts, switching for majority's sake.
I'll join you in a rsoul lynch.
Let's go.
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It's so, so easy for scum to go like "look our confirmed town said we must lynch HF, let's do it guys!!!", and then avoid any flak for pushing a mis-lynch on him.
No offense to LS, but sheeping confirmed town just because they're town and don't actually have any serious reason for their reads is really dumb.
If you objectively study the game, there's no way you can come to the conclusion that rsoultins contributions are more pro-town than HF.
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On July 17 2015 00:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
No one is sheeping LS
So why are you still voting for HF?!
You even said that you liked his his contributions and you had a town read on him up until now.
Why flip flop when you've been so certain all along?
All I see is you saying you want to vote HF out of spite.
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On July 17 2015 00:40 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2015 00:39 ruXxar wrote:On July 17 2015 00:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
No one is sheeping LS So why are you still voting for HF?! You even said that you liked his his contributions and you had a town read on him up until now. Why flip flop when you've been so certain all along? All I see is you saying you want to vote HF out of spite. Read my posts
So you're voting him for martyring as a policy lynch.
So you actually think he's town but you're just policy lynching him anyway?
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On July 17 2015 00:45 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2015 00:44 ruXxar wrote:On July 17 2015 00:40 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 17 2015 00:39 ruXxar wrote:On July 17 2015 00:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
No one is sheeping LS So why are you still voting for HF?! You even said that you liked his his contributions and you had a town read on him up until now. Why flip flop when you've been so certain all along? All I see is you saying you want to vote HF out of spite. Read my posts So you're voting him for martyring as a policy lynch. So you actually think he's town but you're just policy lynching him anyway? READ. MY. POSTS.
Your thoughts are so scattered from one post to the next.
Can you quote the post(s) that you feel best describes your reason for voting HF?
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On July 17 2015 00:51 Breshke wrote:
ruxxar man your townread on HF really gives me the heebie jeebies i cant get past it.
Also BF i have also not voted yet you ignore that because it doesnt fit your world. You see where clarity is coming from. If you pick two people to be scum of course you can find stuff to fit that picture like if i say ruxxar and hf are scum then i can justify it that ruxxar has been townreading and defending HF when i feel he has had no buisness doing so. but it doesnt work like that.
What about it don't you like?
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On July 17 2015 01:00 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2015 00:39 ruXxar wrote:On July 17 2015 00:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
No one is sheeping LS So why are you still voting for HF?! You even said that you liked his his contributions and you had a town read on him up until now. Why flip flop when you've been so certain all along? All I see is you saying you want to vote HF out of spite. Do you see how this might not necessarily be alignment indicative? I can see it possible if he's scum but it's Holyflare...
I don't think that clarity is scum.
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On July 17 2015 01:05 Onegu wrote:Vote Count Holyflare (8): Holyflare, LightningStrike, Clarrity_nl, WaveofShadow, Trfel, Oatsmaster, rsoultin, Vivax Breshke (1): XEliteBlueHunter69X XEliteBlueHunter69X (1): ObiWanShinobi rsoultin(2): ruXxar, boxerfred ruXxar(1)Half the Sky Not Voting (2):, Breshke, Currently, Holyflare is set to be lynched. With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Day ends at Thursday, Jul 16 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .
Voting is Mandatory! Voting is done in the voting thread: (link)
This vote count is very wrong.
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On July 17 2015 01:00 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 22:29 Clarity_nl wrote:
I actually think HF has been contributing useful stuff. Like I like his push on OWS and I like his reasoning for townreading oats for starters.
However I struggle to see how he martyrs, and then when he comes back he 180s on me. Like he goes from "clarity's thoughts align with mine, sheep him when I'm dead" to "clarity confirmed scum for believing in my OWS push and never wavering in his townread of me" when I did in fact waver quite a bit, I gave harkon plenty of opportunity to explain to me why he thinks HF is scum and I was going to read up on HF, however HF martyrs and suddenly I just don't give a shit. I was dreading having to go through HF's meta of games I wasn't in but I would have done it, but this is just dumb.
HF by the time you started getting milo to talk I was convinced he was scum, he had practically given up and was not trying to defend himself nor was he scumhunting. I believed in my case and all my townreads were calling him scum.
Only in the last hour or two did he start sounding like town but I think that's the easiest bit to fake "woe is me I'm so sorry guys I should have played better"
I have not been disruptive at all so you are clearly misrepresenting me. Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 22:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I've been "hard townreading" HF all game but this is the first time he's called me scum for it, which is very timely as he's the one getting lynched. That and the martyring followed by coming back when it looks like he's actually getting lynched are the reasons for wanting to lynch him now. Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 22:41 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 16 2015 22:35 Holyflare wrote:On July 16 2015 22:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I've been "hard townreading" HF all game but this is the first time he's called me scum for it, which is very timely as he's the one getting lynched. That and the martyring followed by coming back when it looks like he's actually getting lynched are the reasons for wanting to lynch him now. I'm sorry how is this timely? What use is scum reading the person who was hard defending me? Do you even think about what you write before you post it? I was in a dark tunnel of shit and now I'm out of it and have a good idea about the game. If you had thought it made me scum you would have brought it up earlier? Not wait till you're the main wagon and then go "btw clarity scum" I wasn't hard defending you I let people attack you as much as they wanted. Bringing up your own meta to astonishing detail is not actually helping you. The moment you identify your own meta is the moment you can break it and then claim "look I can't be scum because X". You've brought up your own meta so often this game and you've even shown that you have read your own filter multiple times this game. I was willing to scratch that off as just having a massive head but now I think it's because you're scum trying to keep your story straight. You just look like you're flailing now. Like you definitely could still be town (hedge hedge) but the chance of you being scum has gone up a ton. Combine the things that I said with harkon being convinced you're scum and marv not giving a read on you when he's normally super chatty about whatever (which means he's unsure) and I'm liking this lynch. Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 22:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
Basically the moment it appears I "stop" townreading you you call me scum, because as scum there was no point in pushing me while I was, in your words, "hard defending you". Now that I'm voting for you it's a good time for you to 180 on me.
As town however you would have brought it up much earlier if you truly believed it made me scum, because as town you don't give a shit if someone is townreading you or not, you give a shit if they are scum. If you thought I was scum you would have brought it up, so the 180 makes no sense from a town perspective. Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 22:49 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 16 2015 22:47 Holyflare wrote:Somehow the hard town read turned into a spite vote which turned into a solid mafia read all while all i did was post content that clarity liked! You guys be the judge  It's not a solid mafia read, but I'm fine with your lynch now, make of that what you will. I've given my reasons. If you are town reread me and make damn sure you're happy with your scumread because if you're town then you are losing us the game. Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 22:58 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 16 2015 22:52 Holyflare wrote:On July 16 2015 22:49 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 16 2015 22:47 Holyflare wrote:Somehow the hard town read turned into a spite vote which turned into a solid mafia read all while all i did was post content that clarity liked! You guys be the judge It's not a solid mafia read, but I'm fine with your lynch now, make of that what you will. I've given my reasons. If you are town reread me and make damn sure you're happy with your scumread because if you're town then you are losing us the game. Actually I'm not losing anyone the game. Why does me being wrong on you change a read? I think my reasons are entirely legitimate and besides that why would it matter anyway? I've just posted my thoughts all cycle and you have said nothing about any of it other than it could be a bus. Ok clarity mr not do anything for 3 solid lynches and blames the guy actually giving solid reasoning for his reads. This is true, but it doesn't mean anything. And yes you are losing the game if you're town and you somehow convince people to lynch me after you. Suddenly I've done nothing all game? I guess our reads n3 just lined up by sheer luck, seeing as you told people to sheep me after you got lynched? Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 23:02 Clarity_nl wrote:
You know this whole saying you're gonna afk from now on doesn't work if you come back every time after you say it?
But you know what, yes my vote on you started mainly as just anger at your martyring for no reason, I'm still kinda angry at you. So I'm gonna take a break now and reread some stuff and see if I can change my mind.
fwiw I think your 180 on me has decent reasoning, but the timing is super suspect. The fact that you're playing on my emotions more than my rational thoughts actually makes it more likely you're scum I think. So yeah I basically just copy/pasted a full page of my filter because apparently you missed all of it.
Reading this I can see where you're coming from. Makes sense.
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@Obi, can you answer my questions?
+ Show Spoiler +On July 16 2015 22:36 ruXxar wrote:
I'm not going to get onto the HF train.
I've stated my position, and I may be swayed into lynching HF tomorrow, but not before that.
Right now I still feel good about a vivax or rsoul lynch.
I don't feel so good about an obi lynch.
I've had a slight town lean on him this game, and him defending me makes me not want to vote for him either.
If I had to choose between a HF and an Obi lynch i'd reluctantly lynch Obi, but I'm not feeling good about lynching either.
I'm going to vote for vivax and if anyone wants to join me that's cool.
@Obi.
HF has a point about your stance switch on clarity.
Reading your filter all I see is clarity is mafia until HF martyrs and after that it's suddenly "I don't want to lynch clarity anymore".
1) Can you explain exactly what made you change your stance on clarity?
Are you saying that clarity is no longer a scum-read or that you simply have stronger scum-reads atm?
2) I'd like you to expand a bit on why your top scum-reads are what they are.
Reading your filter I can't find many reasons for your scum-reads.
Can you write a short summary on why you scum-read these people: EBH, HF, Clarity?
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Here's something I need to say:
When town decides to just train onto someone it means that either they're lynching a townie or someone is bussing real hard.
Just look at the votes right now.
HF is at 9 votes. If he was mafia and his mafia partners are bussing him, they could easily switch off to another target to guarantee a no-lynch.
Since everyone seems dead-set on lynching HF, it pretty much points to this being 1 of 2 options:
Option 1)
HF is mafia together with 2 of these people:
EBH
Boxerfred
Breshke
Option 2)
HF is town and mafia + town are voting on him.
I have a townlean on boxerfred and slight townlean on EBH.
I know I'm town, so the likelyhood of there being mafia in the vote on HF right now is really high.
I need you guys to think about this, and think real hard.
- If HF flips scum, then it's almost guaranteed that the mafia are among the people not voting on him.
- If HF flips town, then it's almost guaranteed that the mafia are voting on him right now.
I don't see a world where mafia bus HF here.
If HF flips scum you'll find the mafia among these people:
EBH
BF
Breshke
If he flips town, then mafia are voting on him right now.
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On July 17 2015 05:07 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2015 05:05 Holyflare wrote:On July 17 2015 05:01 Vivax wrote:On July 09 2015 14:15 Breshke wrote:
That's a really sick post clarity.
Especially like why the fuck did he try a fake check when ritoky claimed RB and he doesn't think there can be two mafia rb's.
I almost want to lynch milo first now but damdred would be the mafia RB'r so yeah On July 09 2015 14:36 Breshke wrote:
Actually no we don't gain anything from taking the risk and lynching damdred today. Fairly sure either way geript and ritoky get no more checks this game.
##Vote Milo Yeah let's do Breshke, cmon people ! ##Unvote
##Vote Breshke On July 16 2015 09:31 Breshke wrote:
I also NEVER said lynching damdred over milo would be bad i said it didnt matter at the time WHO we lynched because i was under the assumption there was 1 RB and they were BOTH mafia. In wich case the two claimed investigative roles who had claimed a the time that i believed were never getting a cheack off no matter who we lynched.
didn't hate his explanation You should, because if they're both scum there is 0 reason to not kill the RB first, unless you're scum. I'm more confident on ruxxar than I am on breshke though, but you seem committed to want to die so just die and then whine postgame about how LS sucked despite you ruining an entire day. Or be scum, whatever.
Humor me, if I'm scum then who's mafia with me?
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On July 17 2015 05:11 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2015 05:10 ruXxar wrote:On July 17 2015 05:07 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 17 2015 05:05 Holyflare wrote:On July 17 2015 05:01 Vivax wrote:On July 09 2015 14:15 Breshke wrote:
That's a really sick post clarity.
Especially like why the fuck did he try a fake check when ritoky claimed RB and he doesn't think there can be two mafia rb's.
I almost want to lynch milo first now but damdred would be the mafia RB'r so yeah On July 09 2015 14:36 Breshke wrote:
Actually no we don't gain anything from taking the risk and lynching damdred today. Fairly sure either way geript and ritoky get no more checks this game.
##Vote Milo Yeah let's do Breshke, cmon people ! ##Unvote
##Vote Breshke On July 16 2015 09:31 Breshke wrote:
I also NEVER said lynching damdred over milo would be bad i said it didnt matter at the time WHO we lynched because i was under the assumption there was 1 RB and they were BOTH mafia. In wich case the two claimed investigative roles who had claimed a the time that i believed were never getting a cheack off no matter who we lynched.
didn't hate his explanation You should, because if they're both scum there is 0 reason to not kill the RB first, unless you're scum. I'm more confident on ruxxar than I am on breshke though, but you seem committed to want to die so just die and then whine postgame about how LS sucked despite you ruining an entire day. Or be scum, whatever. Humor me, if I'm scum then who's mafia with me? I don't know dude. That comes after.
Really? You haven't even thought about whether or not it makes sense that I'm mafia together with someone?
You know you have to piece together teams that actually makes sense right?
Good luck when you get to lylo and there's 3 mafia alive and you all start scum reading each other.
That's how I lost my newbie game because us townies were too dumb to piece together who could or couldn't be mafia together and just looked at the scummiest player who happened to be a townie playing scummy.
So yeah, have fun with that.
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On July 17 2015 05:20 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2015 05:19 ruXxar wrote:On July 17 2015 05:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 17 2015 05:10 ruXxar wrote:On July 17 2015 05:07 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 17 2015 05:05 Holyflare wrote:On July 17 2015 05:01 Vivax wrote:On July 09 2015 14:15 Breshke wrote:
That's a really sick post clarity.
Especially like why the fuck did he try a fake check when ritoky claimed RB and he doesn't think there can be two mafia rb's.
I almost want to lynch milo first now but damdred would be the mafia RB'r so yeah On July 09 2015 14:36 Breshke wrote:
Actually no we don't gain anything from taking the risk and lynching damdred today. Fairly sure either way geript and ritoky get no more checks this game.
##Vote Milo Yeah let's do Breshke, cmon people ! ##Unvote
##Vote Breshke On July 16 2015 09:31 Breshke wrote:
I also NEVER said lynching damdred over milo would be bad i said it didnt matter at the time WHO we lynched because i was under the assumption there was 1 RB and they were BOTH mafia. In wich case the two claimed investigative roles who had claimed a the time that i believed were never getting a cheack off no matter who we lynched.
didn't hate his explanation You should, because if they're both scum there is 0 reason to not kill the RB first, unless you're scum. I'm more confident on ruxxar than I am on breshke though, but you seem committed to want to die so just die and then whine postgame about how LS sucked despite you ruining an entire day. Or be scum, whatever. Humor me, if I'm scum then who's mafia with me? I don't know dude. That comes after. Really? You haven't even thought about whether or not it makes sense that I'm mafia together with someone? You know you have to piece together teams that actually makes sense right? Good luck when you get to lylo and there's 3 mafia alive and you all start scum reading each other. That's how I lost my newbie game because us townies were too dumb to piece together who could or couldn't be mafia together and just looked at the scummiest player who happened to be a townie playing scummy. So yeah, have fun with that. Theres 14 people in the game, bro.
We're not that far from LYLO.
Just focusing on the scummiest player isn't going to win you the game in the long run.
You need to widen your perspective and see how the game fits together as a whole.
You need to see how the puzzle fits together.
Did you look into the scum that flipped and how they associated with each other?
Did you look at the post I made about people heavily arguing with each other that likely aren't scum together?
Assume we mis-lynch today.
Then we have 2 mis-lynches left before LYLO.
As time goes on we can't afford to simply lynch the scummiest player anymore.
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On July 17 2015 06:30 Breshke wrote:
I'm really not happy with this holyflare lynch
I'm really happy you worked hard to stop it then.
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