EPTVivax.
Rsoultin.
Here's the list of people I really don't want to lynch today:
HF
Clarity
HTS
Oats
LS
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Vivax. Rsoultin. Here's the list of people I really don't want to lynch today: HF Clarity HTS Oats LS | ||
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On July 15 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote: eh maybe it's a newbie thing ruxx but being super careful with posts gen isn't considered townie. I don't understand why you're content to lynch hf if this makes you think he's more town? who do you want to lynch if he comes back? I never said I wanted to lynch HF today. | ||
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On July 15 2015 22:50 Clarity_nl wrote: ruxxar by definition if HF martyring makes you read him more town then it's not against his win condition. Apparently I'm the only one doing so, so that doesn't really help him much. | ||
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On July 15 2015 22:54 rsoultin wrote: I must have misunderstood lol >< Why vivax again? Short summary: - Case on geript. - Irritated about losing an opportunity to lynch trfel. - Wishy washy stance on trfel. - His tone seems pretty toxic in general, didn't like for example how he responded to clarity calling his arguments trash tier etc. | ||
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"I might as well give up because I can't do anything anyway". That's a pretty terrible attitude to have. | ||
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On July 15 2015 23:08 LightningStrike wrote: Rux it seems like you are mason with HF based on how you treated this entire if you are town? Yes, I am totally masons with HF  | ||
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On July 15 2015 23:07 rsoultin wrote: Eh last is def nai lol vivax has made me feel like shite a couple of times I've been reading him town but I don't remember this trfel thing. Quotes? Here's vivax progression in reads on Trfel in chronological order: Response to holyflare's case on Trfel: On July 07 2015 01:20 Vivax wrote: I can sheep that HF. But I don't want the geript shit to be ignored either. Then says he doesn't want to lynch trfel because trfel posted some useless content. On July 07 2015 01:45 Vivax wrote: I retract that I would sheep on Trfel, I realized he posted more than I thought. We should kill geript for being a liar. On July 07 2015 02:29 Vivax wrote: I might as well ignore this whole Trfel thingy since he started doing a little bit of something lately until geript the lying scum is burned for his crimes. Posting useless drivel doesn't auto-mean somebody is scum, just that he wants to post useless drivel for some reason. Much better to look either into the nice guys a la Ruxxar (I'm suspicious of him by standard cause I feel he tries to be everybody's bro, but not willing to call him mafia yet given he also called some shit out that seemed original), and the "too-tryhard-to-be-really-scumhunting" guys a la geript who seems to imitate his ideal townie prototype who calls people mafia as if it was god given and tries to shit on everybody trying to look like he's a dick. Then he goes on to berate HF's push on trfel. On July 07 2015 02:31 Vivax wrote: This whole Trfel thing HF brings up is more along the lines of "BUT YOU AREN'T PLAYING THE GAME THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO, LYNCH" like the last two games where I did exactly that at the beginning of the game for the most part, to demonstrate how prevalent this shitty heuristic is. Then he suddenly decides that trfel can die anyway. On July 08 2015 03:07 Vivax wrote: I decided that Trfel can die too, so if HF wants a lynch on him he can have my vote. I saw no elaboration on his scott scumread and the talk about LS looks like he just needed that read to have something to talk about. His HF suspicion fell into the water as well. Instead what we get are a bunch of apologetic posts and empty promises. Then asked who he want to lynch he says his top scum after geript is trfel.. Now he suddenly thinks Trfel should "possibly" be lynched. On July 08 2015 18:07 Vivax wrote: I don't wanna end up tunneled actually. I still have to get a more compelte look at you. + All of this distracts me from killing geript, WoS and possibly Trfel Then he's irritated that HF dropped his suspicions of trfel: On July 08 2015 19:16 Vivax wrote: I'm pretty irritated by the way HF abandoned the suspicion of Trfel just when mine started to build up. On July 11 2015 12:25 Vivax wrote: Well you can fuck off first of all with this cause when I was ready to vote for him you magically lost interest and now you make it an issue again. Then he wants to lynch trfel again: On July 12 2015 08:42 Vivax wrote: I'm really tempted to go for Trfel today. Then he's like nope: On July 12 2015 19:03 Vivax wrote: Gonna TR Trfel and boxer cause they don't attempt to go after me when quite a bit of people expressed that wish already, and after I pressured them at least a little bit and was willing to lynch/consider milo during the night. He seems pretty erratic with regards to his stance on trfel. It's like he's trying to create a narrative of having a dynamic change in stance on trfel but it's so inconsistent I find it hard to believe that it's genuine. | ||
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On July 15 2015 23:54 LightningStrike wrote: + Show Spoiler + I assuming you are being sarcastic there. Yes LS, I was :p. | ||
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Vivax 4th post is a big case on geript where he tries to belittle and discredit geript: + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2015 00:31 Vivax wrote: I was quite sure I was onto something when I said geript's confidene was unnatural at that stage in the game. Turns out he threw out scumreads as if he was the pro scumhunter when everyone else was way less "ticking in". On top of that it turns out those scumreads don't seem to matter much wehn he comments on a list containing one of them,v reinforcing my suspicion that it was just a show he put up to look like he was scumhunting. + Show Spoiler + On July 06 2015 09:17 geript wrote: I'm not sure if you're right on Damdred. I'm sure you're wrong on wave. I agree about Ruxx. The big thing though is that you're wrong on Wave. He's town. He also likes to swear a lot when faced with suspicion, cause he thinks when he's being a dick to people they will believe he's town. The word that came to mind for his behaviour when confronted with accusations is wannabe cowboy. I imagine this guy in disguise chewing bubble gum and spewing his brown spit in his forced attempt to look like he fits in but even google knows the truth, geript looks more like this when he is trying to do that: ![[image loading]](http://gilbertlodge.com/2013/images/07-17-13-cowboy.jpg) Ever since he "found the two scum" the other guy he's been bitching about is Oats when it sort of fit in with the thread sentiment. ##Vote: geript The discrediting continues unsubstantiated: On July 07 2015 01:45 Vivax wrote: I retract that I would sheep on Trfel, I realized he posted more than I thought. We should kill geript for being a liar. On July 07 2015 02:29 Vivax wrote: I might as well ignore this whole Trfel thingy since he started doing a little bit of something lately until geript the lying scum is burned for his crimes. Of course it was obvious that geript was mafia from the start: On July 07 2015 16:34 Vivax wrote: Why am I talking to this guy? It was obvious from the start he's mafia. Here's a comment he made about his play D1. What about his arguments on geript are strong or interesting? On July 11 2015 04:35 Vivax wrote: I don't try to push myself into the foreground to lynch a single player if my best arguments weren't perceived as strong or interesting in the first place, especially not on D1. When pressured about his stance on geript he admits he didn't have any strong arguments after all. On July 11 2015 05:11 Vivax wrote: I was of the opinion that geript was exaggerating aspects of his play on purpose to look more townie (confidence, dickishness), I called him a liar for that, not for anything specific. Just that scum=liars/actors. He doesn't seem willing to evaluate his stance on geript at all, and was just dead set on tunneling geript until the end of days for terrible reasons that he somehow tried to say were "strong or interesting". After geript flips he never mentions that he was wrong on geript or that he misjudged the situation. He just seems happily content with not saying anything and trying to shove it under the carpet. | ||
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On July 14 2015 03:04 Vivax wrote: Again you spew the same trash as before. There's nothing I can do more than complain about the BM lynch and leave my vote on MZ. I'm not the entire game, other people were way more influential and I didn't plan on flailing around like an idiot cause of that lynch. As for the first and third text blocks, that's nothing that makes me mafia it's just my personal preference on WHO I form reads, how I form them, if I form them etc. and you try to twist it as if it was the only possible town play possible. Maybe I just don't give two shits about milo cause I don't give two shits if he's the main wagon since N1. I form reads how I want them and I'm certainly even less willing to form one now that you're on my ass with these trash tier arguments. There's very few things that make a person exclusively scum. A lot of people look scummy even though they're town, just look at all the people we've lynched so far. I'm not saying that only scum would do this, but the case + tunnel on geript seems artificial to me. Right now I think part of the key to solving this game lies in trfel, and here's why: Trfel was an easy target to push with the terrible content he had posted so far. HF started pushing him and it was a low risk case to sheep for scum since HF is a strong player that would take the brunt of the force on himself. I think you will find the scum amongst the people that jumped on the scum-read train of trfel without really pushing him, or in people hard defending him knowing he is town. These people are: EBH, Me, Vivax, Rsoultin. I'm thinking there is 1 or maybe 2 mafia in here, and I'm most suspicious of rsoultin and vivax atm. | ||
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On July 16 2015 02:44 Trfel wrote: So, ruXxar, apparently you now think that I am town? Why? (I'd just like to have it clearly stated) Also, you never answered my previous question... If Clarity_nl's first few posts seemed scummy because they were pre-planned, how could this be true if Holyflare is town? In other words, how could Clarity_nl, as mafia plan something before the game with town!Holyflare? Currently my working theory is this: HF is town. You are town. Mafia sheeped the push on you (damdred + kelsier + ebh/vivax) Mafia hard defended you / disrupting (rsoultin) About clarity: I thought it was pre-planned from clarity's side and not together with HF. I thought that the reason she said it was due to the fact that they could both be mafia together, but the "pre-planned" part was done by her alone, so she could possibly be mafia on her own. This doesn't really make any sense when he couldn't have known what HF was going to say, so the pre-planned argument actually falls apart and looking at it now it was an incorrect argument to make. I admit now I was wrong and that the argument was terrible. I blame it on the early game adrenaline rush. After that point I didn't really evaluate whether the pre-planned accusation made sense, I just automatically assumed it did. I hadn't really re-evaluated it until now when I realize how little sense it makes. | ||
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On July 16 2015 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote: Still a guy Sorry, I'll do 40 pushups to punish myself. On July 16 2015 04:19 Clarity_nl wrote: Also the fact that you seem to think 3-4 mafia jumped on the same wagon early d1 is a bit ridiculous, it's actually a point against vivax being mafia, although a small one. Taking what the flipped scum have in common and my individual scum-reads it sort of fits into my world. | ||
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Like, who ever questioned why damdred and kelsier scum-read trfel? No one, people were focused on HF since he was the main proponent of the push. The others just scooted by and no one batted an eyelid. | ||
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On July 16 2015 04:40 Clarity_nl wrote: That's mainly because trfel was scummy a hell to everyone except rsoultin if I remember correctly. Look ruxxar if you're town I'm sorry that I'm throwing in 1-liners to stop your push but I really disagree with the way you're going about it. I've brought up the point of Vivax's 1st post before and HtS pointed out that you're taking quotes out of context. I'm not sure if you're town and tunneling a bit or scum doing it on purpose but either find something substantial or move on. What's your read on Breshke? I'm grateful to all the people that question my statements. It forces me to think critically about the arguments I make and the scum-tells I'm looking for and makes me improve as a player. As I progress through the games of mafia I'll see whether my theories were right or wrong and try to adapt my play to be more accurate next time. Especially trfel has a good tendency of finding flaws in my reasoning and I appreciate anyone doing that. | ||
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On July 16 2015 04:50 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: switching my vote to breshke if anyone is up for shenanigans later, he is my new most confident scum read again. I'm going to look over both yours and breshke's filter next. | ||
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You had a confident scum-read on Vivax early on that you thought was a bussing attempt by vivax onto geript. What are your thoughts on vivax now that geript has flipped? | ||
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We've been robbed of the whole dynamic where towards the lynch the mafia pop-up trying to defend their scum mates and divert the lynch onto someone else. Without this it's hard to see the true alignment of people and it's pretty frustrating because the flips don't really tell us all that much. | ||
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I must say that a lot of the lynches has been pretty much auto and this is really the first day where we have no real clear target that we want to lynch if it wasn't for HF quitting. | ||
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On July 16 2015 07:17 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly Geript thought Damdred was scum before he tracked Damdred to ritoky. Multiple people had scum-reads on damdred, but he was never in danger of getting lynched. | ||
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On July 16 2015 07:21 LightningStrike wrote: True because we thought we had better targets Day 1. Exactly. You get the most relevant information out of vote logic and people's stances when a scum is actually in danger of getting lynched. Other than that it's not so useful. | ||
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