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On July 14 2015 01:48 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 01:29 ruXxar wrote:
1) He's actually pushing logical targets. I find myself agreeing with a lot of his reasoning, as compared to just trying to tunnel people to death with weak arguments and a play on emotions.
Last game he tried to lynch people by ridiculing them and their arguments and being over the top and shouting at them. Blowing things out of proportions and trying to make them look stupid.
I'm seeing a relatively more "calm" and reasoning HF this game. More serious and down to business.
Sorry, but this is exactly what he has been doing this game too.Don't like this post in general.
No, what he's doing here is different:
1) Less incessant and cursing.
2) Less direct attacks on person and more attacks on the arguments.
3) Capslock factor is down.
Also, what don't you like, the post or the arguments?
I'm open for discussion if you perceive it differently.
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On July 14 2015 02:41 Holyflare wrote:
Hm the more i think about trfel the more it's obvious he hasn't read a thing past the first half of d1
This is what I also noticed when he made the first big case against you, in general he just seems disinterested and not following the thread.
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On July 14 2015 02:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
If you guys eventually decide to lynch me go ahead.
I started out this game generally not caring but now it's gone sort of beyond that, whatever that is. Not gonna make any excuses.
For what it's worth I'm sorry.
Might as well just get modkilled then?
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@HF:
It's hard to determine milo's alignment when he isn't even willing to defend himself or participate in answering questions.
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On July 14 2015 03:17 milo109 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 03:11 ruXxar wrote:
@HF:
It's hard to determine milo's alignment when he isn't even willing to defend himself or participate in answering questions. Ask me a question.
Let's assume that you are the cop.
Here's some of the things I want from you:
A recap of your play throughout the game.
A summary of your strongest scum / townreads throughout the game, how they came to be, how they changed and why.
Discussion of the controversial points brought up against you.
It might not prevent your lynch but it's better than doing nothing.
If you're mafia then don't bother I suppose.
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On July 14 2015 05:26 Trfel wrote:
Hopefully milo109 is scum, I guess...
Trfel please stop.
What's going on?!
Please give me back the trfel I know.
I don't know who this person is but it's definitely not trfel.
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@Harkon
On July 14 2015 02:50 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 01:48 Harkon wrote:On July 14 2015 01:29 ruXxar wrote:
1) He's actually pushing logical targets. I find myself agreeing with a lot of his reasoning, as compared to just trying to tunnel people to death with weak arguments and a play on emotions.
Last game he tried to lynch people by ridiculing them and their arguments and being over the top and shouting at them. Blowing things out of proportions and trying to make them look stupid.
I'm seeing a relatively more "calm" and reasoning HF this game. More serious and down to business.
Sorry, but this is exactly what he has been doing this game too.Don't like this post in general. No, what he's doing here is different: 1) Less incessant and cursing. 2) Less direct attacks on person and more attacks on the arguments. 3) Capslock factor is down. Also, what don't you like, the post or the arguments? I'm open for discussion if you perceive it differently.
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On July 14 2015 06:32 rsoultin wrote:
lol >< i forgot ruxx made that post
hf isn't a nasty shit though! i mean...not quite as nasty!
okay, ruxx. okay xP
i swam again today ^^
I'm not saying he did a 360 backflip and changed his behavior completely and became an angel from heaven.
I'm saying there's a difference in how he expresses himself and acts in this game as compared to the last one.
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Let's leave the mod decision for post-game shall we?
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ffs milo.
I wish you had tried harder.
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On July 14 2015 07:03 LightningStrike wrote:
Oh goody we got JAT! Okay so Milo wasn't lying afterall about being roleblocked. There must be another strong role for town. Okay Who I gave the gun to: Shoot HF.
How about no?
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Alright let's relax.
Just because milo was town doesn't mean we should automatically go about killing people on his lynch list.
He barely put in any effort, so I doubt he actually had that good reads on people.
Shooting HF is a terrible idea.
If HF is mafia we can deal with him later.
It's better to shoot some of the question marks that aren't going to contribute anyway.
Trfel, scott, wave or perhaps kelsier would be excellent targets imo..
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So let's say we shoot HF and he flips town.
And then harkon + 1 other strong town gets shot tonight.
Who is left to lead town then?
It'll be lurk city until the end.
When the strong town players disappear, the mafia come out of the woodwork and start misguiding people.
It's true, HF is basically living on borrowed time.
If we get to LYLO and he still is alive he's pretty much an auto lynch.
Until then however, we can't go off killing potentially strong town players just because they might be mafia, when they haven't even played particularly scummy.
Give it a couple days and if HF haven't been NK'd by then we can consider lynching him.
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On July 14 2015 07:50 Breshke wrote:
You forgot me HF
Ruxxar you townread HF right?
Correct.
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To be more accurate, he's on my would not lynch list:
My would not lynch list atm is :
+ Show Spoiler +Geript
Harkon
Marv
LS
Oats
HTS
Holyflare
Clarity is pretty close to being on there too.
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On July 14 2015 09:19 KelsierSC wrote:
Hf and boxer feel like town to me i wouldnt lynch them
i'd look at scott, trefl and WoS tomorrow
or a vigi shot
You read the game in 10 minutes?
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On July 14 2015 09:19 KelsierSC wrote:
Hf and boxer feel like town to me i wouldnt lynch them
i'd look at scott, trefl and WoS tomorrow
or a vigi shot
Can you qualify your reads?
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On July 14 2015 09:44 Trfel wrote:Adding ruXxar to the scum pool. + Show Spoiler [Reasons, if you're interested in…] +He scumread me (Trfel) without explaining his reasoning. He seemed to really want to lynch me (enough to repeat himself without prompting about it), but not enough to clearly state why, for people who hadn't read Student Mafia 11. Furthermore, his scumread on me was posted well after my opening post, and his vote was made even after that. This doesn't feel like a town mindset.
The first main push in the thread was Damdred's push on LightningStrike. RuXxar was one of the people who didn't say anything about the push. However, a few pages later, RuXxar seemed accepting of the push (asked LightningStrike what he was trying to say with his list of scott31337's games). He didn't mention LightningStrike again for a while, though. His interest in LightningStrike doesn't feel very high at all, which is strange, especially since he townread Damdred. If he didn't like the push, he should have said so; as it is, he gave himself room to jump on it later, while largely avoiding it.
His townread of Damdred and scott31337 seems to be for a trap, which made no sense whatsoever. Making a post that contains no relevant information or reads generally isn't a reason for someone to be town.
RuXxar switching his main scumread from me to Clarity_nl has several problems. First, it shows he wasn't really reading the game clearly, or he would have thought of this at the start, not only when someone mentioned something that had been said many times already. Second, why did he scumread and vote Clarity_nl and completely ignore Holyflare, while scumreading Clarity_nl for an association with Holyflare early on? His interest in Holyflare is nonexistant.
Then, instead of discussing his scumreads, he just says that everyone questioning or being suspicious of Clarity_nl is towny.
Yes, this is different from how he played last game (as mafia). But it's also very different from how he played as town. Having done well as scum last game, I can see him excited to play scum again (especially if it's with Holyflare again, as I suspect). And his early play is very, very hard to see from a town perspective, while the mafia motivation seems clear.
1) I scum read you at the start for 2 reasons :
- Your comments were pointless and contributed nothing. I gained a lot of respect for you after the newbie game and expected a lot more.
- You were evasive when asked for your opinion.
2) I did not try to interject on damdreds push because I wanted to see what information could be gained from it.
3) The #battrap comment to damdred and scott was an inside joke from our newbie game(you were there).
4) Ok, here's my reasonining around clarity:
At first I had the thought that she was mafia with HF, because her comments on HF seemed pre-planned.
Then at a later point a thought struck me that she could actually be masoned with HF.
When clarity said "Do not lynch me and HF today" I thought she strongly alluded to them being masoned together.
I decided to give her time. This is also why I asked her a few times how she would feel if HF got lynched / died.
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On July 14 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:
I actually think ruxxar could be mafia aswell trefel.
Something about him always coming to HF's defense when he fake matrys jsut doesn't sit right with me. He doesn't have the fear in him that HF is mafia. I also have a problem with him talking about "lynch him later lynch him at lylo." As he already complained about the amount of lurkers in the game and it would just be the same situation he himself and HF took advantage of last game where they could easily steer the thread because they were some of the msot active.
Basically I don't think ruxxar is showing that townie paranoia and is too sure of his HF read especially when thread eladers like harkon and marv are unsure/flipfloppy on hf's allighnment
I gave my reasons for my HF town-read here
I feel fairly confident in my read as I was mafia with him last game and I paid very close attention to what he said and how he said it.
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On July 14 2015 11:49 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 11:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 14 2015 11:37 rsoultin wrote:
i think it's kinda obvious what trfel is saying, ows? (and a really good point, lol ><)
ruxxar just got out of a game where he was scum with hf and saw him somehow survive a red check through three consecutive day phases, so if anything he should at least be somewhat wary of hf's alignment? almost the entirety of the rest of the game is, and we've all seen hf play as both alignments numerous times. it's weird he's that certain
like if hf is town this game, i think ruxx buddying up like this and acting like his parrot is even scummier, to be completely honest I get the point, but I've been in the same position because I hard townread Hf in a game a long, long time ago right after he beat me as scum. Just because it's Hf doesn't mean that people can't legitimately townread him. lol i'm aware of that, ows...and there are people in this game legitimately decent (at least above average for this general group of players) at reading hf. i'm one of them and i'm not certain. neither are others like, it's not so much the hard townread as it is the hard townread from the start with no questioning it
I did not have a hard town read on HF early on.
HF is a person where I can't pick out a single statement and say "aha, this is mafiaesque".
When I judge HF it's based on his tendencies over a longer span of time.
I also got my first townread read on HF from the dispute between the two of you where I could easily associate with the motivation behind his questioning of trfel, and thought it made sense from a town perspective to push on trfel there.
The first time I put HF in my current towncircle is here, on page 234.
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