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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 07 2015 16:54 GMT
#2325
On July 08 2015 01:53 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 01:52 LightningStrike wrote:
Did anyone forget that HTS under no pressure claimed Miller?


so what?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/466211-tl-mafia-lxviii-fanfic-crossover-edition?page=12#225

so did I basically as mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 07 2015 16:57 GMT
#2329
On July 08 2015 01:56 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 00:30 KelsierSC wrote:
Here's my list right now

Town
hf
breshke
clarity
oats
geript
harkon
LS

scum
trfel
ritoky
damdred
bluehunter
milo
wave

Everyone else I have leans on but this is my head right now.



I do absolutely not understand the town lean in breshke, clarity and LS.


then why didn't you question my list about that lol? I think they're all pretty towny too.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 07 2015 17:09 GMT
#2346
On July 08 2015 02:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Not feeling an HTS lynch.

Try again town.


maybe you should read this game where she was mafia and behaved in much the same way

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486819-i-still-cant-believe-its-not-themed-mafia?user=Half the Sky
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 07 2015 17:10 GMT
#2349
On July 08 2015 02:07 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 02:04 geript wrote:
On June 19 2015 05:29 Blazinghand wrote:

DMLE Investigator (Vanilla Townie): You’ve been working in Precinct 16 for a long time. You’ve seen a lot of messed up things in your day. When the going gets tough, you don’t stop. Every case takes a little bit out of you, but someone has to do this work. You are a VT.

Investigator Extraordinaire (Vigilante): You keep on thinking back to your idol, Rita Skeeter. You want to be just like her. You’re not gonna let things like an “ongoing investigation” or “hostage situation” stop you from writing your character assassination pieces. You’re a journalist; you and your quick-quotes quill doesn’t afraid of anyone. At night, you can fire a bullet to deal 1 kp to a target. You can't shoot during night 1.

Very hard to read the OP. Much tough. Very braindead.

Oh yeah - in a weird way, that influences HF's claim. Can easily be the "lel im VT" for real, can also be "I wanna hide being a blue". But there's no need to hide that, just not saying anything would've been way better. That does indicate to me that his VT claim is real.

Moving him from scum lean to town lean.


nah i'm just a VT
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 07 2015 17:17 GMT
#2358
On July 08 2015 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 02:09 Holyflare wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Not feeling an HTS lynch.

Try again town.


maybe you should read this game where she was mafia and behaved in much the same way

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486819-i-still-cant-believe-its-not-themed-mafia?user=Half the Sky


Tell me what I'm supposed to be seeing.


that you are clearly basing your read on her ability to post walls of text and that you aren't sheeping my superior read for no good reason
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 07 2015 17:32 GMT
#2374
On July 08 2015 02:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 02:17 Holyflare wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:09 Holyflare wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Not feeling an HTS lynch.

Try again town.


maybe you should read this game where she was mafia and behaved in much the same way

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486819-i-still-cant-believe-its-not-themed-mafia?user=Half the Sky


Tell me what I'm supposed to be seeing.


that you are clearly basing your read on her ability to post walls of text and that you aren't sheeping my superior read for no good reason


Saying your read is superior without telling me why isn't helping.
Tell me what I'm supposed to be seeing.


you fucking serious?

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 07 2015 17:33 GMT
#2376
On July 08 2015 02:32 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 02:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:17 Holyflare wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:09 Holyflare wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Not feeling an HTS lynch.

Try again town.


maybe you should read this game where she was mafia and behaved in much the same way

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486819-i-still-cant-believe-its-not-themed-mafia?user=Half the Sky


Tell me what I'm supposed to be seeing.


that you are clearly basing your read on her ability to post walls of text and that you aren't sheeping my superior read for no good reason


Saying your read is superior without telling me why isn't helping.
Tell me what I'm supposed to be seeing.


you fucking serious?



http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=111#2208

read all the nested stuff
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 07 2015 17:34 GMT
#2377
On July 08 2015 02:30 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 02:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:25 geript wrote:
BTW. Oats should be lynched regardless for actually believing in scumslips. That sort of shit should be punished heavily. Anyone who thinks like that needs to be taught a lesson.

I slip as mafia means anyone can slip as mafia.


So you're admitting that you scumslipped this game. Sweet. Just post baby seals now.

On July 08 2015 02:25 geript wrote:
BTW. Oats should be lynched regardless for actually believing in scumslips. That sort of shit should be punished heavily. Anyone who thinks like that needs to be taught a lesson.



hehe

anyway, milo or HtS are the lynches today, you can take your pick! If you're too lazy to read HtS then that's fine as long as you just admit that
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 07 2015 17:36 GMT
#2381
On July 08 2015 02:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 02:33 Holyflare wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:32 Holyflare wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:17 Holyflare wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:09 Holyflare wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Not feeling an HTS lynch.

Try again town.


maybe you should read this game where she was mafia and behaved in much the same way

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486819-i-still-cant-believe-its-not-themed-mafia?user=Half the Sky


Tell me what I'm supposed to be seeing.


that you are clearly basing your read on her ability to post walls of text and that you aren't sheeping my superior read for no good reason


Saying your read is superior without telling me why isn't helping.
Tell me what I'm supposed to be seeing.


you fucking serious?



http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=111#2208

read all the nested stuff

Is meta the only way to catch her then?
Because on its own you can't very well say her posting has been overly scummy.


where do I say it's meta? All of the reasons for scum reading her are based on this game entirely, the meta is purely to back up the fact that this isn't towny behaviour.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 07 2015 17:37 GMT
#2384
The first nested case is quality this game posting of a thought process she can't possibly follow. It's great.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 07 2015 17:40 GMT
#2386
On July 08 2015 02:37 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 02:34 Holyflare wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:30 geript wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:25 geript wrote:
BTW. Oats should be lynched regardless for actually believing in scumslips. That sort of shit should be punished heavily. Anyone who thinks like that needs to be taught a lesson.

I slip as mafia means anyone can slip as mafia.


So you're admitting that you scumslipped this game. Sweet. Just post baby seals now.

On July 08 2015 02:25 geript wrote:
BTW. Oats should be lynched regardless for actually believing in scumslips. That sort of shit should be punished heavily. Anyone who thinks like that needs to be taught a lesson.



hehe

anyway, milo or HtS are the lynches today, you can take your pick! If you're too lazy to read HtS then that's fine as long as you just admit that


Still didn't answer what happened to the ritoky or Trfel reads you had before....yawn....

On July 08 2015 00:27 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 00:24 marvellosity wrote:
does anyone think ritoky is town outside his claim?

or at least, i should rephrase, are there posts that might make you think he could be?


I dunno his posts around what I was saying about trfel weren't awful but other than that it's pretty scummy (I keep coming back to the post where he lists 3 people that weren't really scummy at all and says 1 of them could be and going ... meh) but his claim after LS' claim last game also gives me wtf vibes but i don't really want to lynch him either kind of thing

basically i'm a pussy and don't want to lynch a potential cop

On July 08 2015 01:30 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 01:27 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 08 2015 01:19 Holyflare wrote:
2) Scott31337 (filter)
3) WaveofShadow (filter)
6) Vivax (filter)
7) Bill Murray (filter)
8) ritoky (filter)
11) Meapak_Ziphh (filter)
15) ObiWanShinobi (filter)
17) milo109 (filter)
19) Oatsmaster (filter)
21) rsoultin (filter)
22) Half The Sky (filter)


I think I do want to remove scott too maybe... his list post just made me feel good

bolded i would lynch today probably and the rest is because i'm being super lazy and just not reading to get a better idea of


On mobile atm but I have two questions for you:

I'm reading your filter, you've been pushing Trfel for 11/13 pages of your filter. Then I see a "maybe/maybe not" as your last comment so how did that Trfel read just disappear?

Second, milo and ritoky are my top two scum reads. I've been abundantly clear where I stood on both all game. You mean to say that if we are on a scum team together that I'd be bussing two of my teammates?

Or put it another way, if you are pushing my lynch you would be voting with me (a scum read) on either milo or ritoky.

Does not compute.


I've made it clear his post defending himself wasn't that bad. I also don't care who you are pushing. Like i said anyway your milo push isn't a push. It's uneventful, uninspired and not driven.


yes i did, how dishonest
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 07 2015 17:40 GMT
#2388
On July 08 2015 02:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 02:36 Holyflare wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:33 Holyflare wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:32 Holyflare wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:17 Holyflare wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:09 Holyflare wrote:
On July 08 2015 02:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Not feeling an HTS lynch.

Try again town.


maybe you should read this game where she was mafia and behaved in much the same way

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486819-i-still-cant-believe-its-not-themed-mafia?user=Half the Sky


Tell me what I'm supposed to be seeing.


that you are clearly basing your read on her ability to post walls of text and that you aren't sheeping my superior read for no good reason


Saying your read is superior without telling me why isn't helping.
Tell me what I'm supposed to be seeing.


you fucking serious?



http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=111#2208

read all the nested stuff

Is meta the only way to catch her then?
Because on its own you can't very well say her posting has been overly scummy.


where do I say it's meta? All of the reasons for scum reading her are based on this game entirely, the meta is purely to back up the fact that this isn't towny behaviour.

It's pretty disingenuous to say it isn't towny behaviour. There are plenty of townies who post like this without coming with conclusions or pushing harder. Like, I admit it very well could be scummy behaviour but I don't feel it strongly.


oh please it's not disingenuous at all, hts isn't a shit player so you don't judge her by shit player metrics
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 07 2015 17:44 GMT
#2397
On July 08 2015 01:33 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 01:30 Holyflare wrote:
On July 08 2015 01:27 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 08 2015 01:19 Holyflare wrote:
2) Scott31337 (filter)
3) WaveofShadow (filter)
6) Vivax (filter)
7) Bill Murray (filter)
8) ritoky (filter)
11) Meapak_Ziphh (filter)
15) ObiWanShinobi (filter)
17) milo109 (filter)
19) Oatsmaster (filter)
21) rsoultin (filter)
22) Half The Sky (filter)


I think I do want to remove scott too maybe... his list post just made me feel good

bolded i would lynch today probably and the rest is because i'm being super lazy and just not reading to get a better idea of


On mobile atm but I have two questions for you:

I'm reading your filter, you've been pushing Trfel for 11/13 pages of your filter. Then I see a "maybe/maybe not" as your last comment so how did that Trfel read just disappear?

Second, milo and ritoky are my top two scum reads. I've been abundantly clear where I stood on both all game. You mean to say that if we are on a scum team together that I'd be bussing two of my teammates?

Or put it another way, if you are pushing my lynch you would be voting with me (a scum read) on either milo or ritoky.

Does not compute.


I've made it clear his post defending himself wasn't that bad. I also don't care who you are pushing. Like i said anyway your milo push isn't a push. It's uneventful, uninspired and not driven.


I mean you accuse me of taking things out of context and not reading into stuff and selective reasoning but then you couldn't even understand why i was pushing trfel at the start of the game, you just quoted a milo post and didn't even know the context of it and were completely wrong about what he was writing.

At what point does your selective reasoning and out of context posts mean anything?


explain this HtS, why did you change your entire read on me despite calling me town all at the start of the game based on one thing that you haven't even explained and isn't even true but when you do it you're supposedly going to call yourself town, why is selective reasoning on one set of posts mafia indicative if you do it and are town
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 07 2015 17:46 GMT
#2400
On July 08 2015 02:44 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 01:33 Holyflare wrote:
On July 08 2015 01:30 Holyflare wrote:
On July 08 2015 01:27 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 08 2015 01:19 Holyflare wrote:
2) Scott31337 (filter)
3) WaveofShadow (filter)
6) Vivax (filter)
7) Bill Murray (filter)
8) ritoky (filter)
11) Meapak_Ziphh (filter)
15) ObiWanShinobi (filter)
17) milo109 (filter)
19) Oatsmaster (filter)
21) rsoultin (filter)
22) Half The Sky (filter)


I think I do want to remove scott too maybe... his list post just made me feel good

bolded i would lynch today probably and the rest is because i'm being super lazy and just not reading to get a better idea of


On mobile atm but I have two questions for you:

I'm reading your filter, you've been pushing Trfel for 11/13 pages of your filter. Then I see a "maybe/maybe not" as your last comment so how did that Trfel read just disappear?

Second, milo and ritoky are my top two scum reads. I've been abundantly clear where I stood on both all game. You mean to say that if we are on a scum team together that I'd be bussing two of my teammates?

Or put it another way, if you are pushing my lynch you would be voting with me (a scum read) on either milo or ritoky.

Does not compute.


I've made it clear his post defending himself wasn't that bad. I also don't care who you are pushing. Like i said anyway your milo push isn't a push. It's uneventful, uninspired and not driven.


I mean you accuse me of taking things out of context and not reading into stuff and selective reasoning but then you couldn't even understand why i was pushing trfel at the start of the game, you just quoted a milo post and didn't even know the context of it and were completely wrong about what he was writing.

At what point does your selective reasoning and out of context posts mean anything?


explain this HtS, why did you change your entire read on me despite calling me town all at the start of the game based on one thing that you haven't even explained and isn't even true but when you do it you're supposedly going to call yourself town, why is selective reasoning on one set of posts mafia indicative if you do it and are town


I mean you haven't even explained how it's selective reasoning either. Trfel called LS not scum. Trfel questions LS about Ritoky, LS answers with the most basic answers ever, Trfel calls LS mafia. Trfel posts case that contains no information about his answers to Ritoky. Trfel's case is dishonest.

You disregarded that whole case because of "selective reasoning", where is the selective reasoning?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 07 2015 17:49 GMT
#2404
On July 07 2015 19:02 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 18:09 boxerfred wrote:
Also I might refrain from my HF scum lean, the read change from Trfel that he observed was really good. Still need to catch up.


I thought it was good when I first saw his post too. But HF is really good at taking things out of context if/when he's scum. Even if he's town the post is flawed because LS' filter showed some reasonable basis for the change.

The easiest way to cross check that is to look at LightningStrike's filter against the time stamps provided. It is a little annoying to do because the time stamps are in Korean time but once I did I found three quotes that I objectively found scummy in his filter before Trfel even explained it. (You hit the quote button and you'll find time stamp quoted in KST.)


Like this entire post dismisses the entire case on Trfel based on absolutely nothing.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 07 2015 17:51 GMT
#2407
"I objectively found some of LS's posts scummy" means nothing. No way a post can be objectively scummy at all, firstly. Secondly, if those posts were objectively scummy, were they contained in Trfel's post? I utterly doubt it because Trfel's post was based on so much nonsense that it was hard to believe he could even believe it.

So basically this is a defence for the sake of defending and is completely out of whack response for someone with imperfect information.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 07 2015 18:00 GMT
#2418
hey hts why are you ignoring all of my posts and constantly trying to add fuel to the fire when people mention me?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 07 2015 18:05 GMT
#2423
we can lynch hts at any time
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 07 2015 18:06 GMT
#2424
or milo but that feels dirty
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 07 2015 18:07 GMT
#2426
On July 07 2015 23:45 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 23:27 Holyflare wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=84#1674

someone read my interactions with milo here with the mindset that trfel is town but being scum read and tell me what you think


still want more people to do this (it's more than just the page i linked, it's like 2 or 3 pages)

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