EPTTL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden - Page 11
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Of those people I have town on I could be wrong on Boxerfred (he's a lean but still) and Ras (as stated). I know some have their doubts on KSC and Breske I think both are town. So two in the Damdred/milo/rit, and absent the claims all had reason to question their gameplay. MZ and HF would be 4 for me and 5th scum is someone in my re evaluate list. | ||
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To be fair he's not. I ran once with a friend with a slogan of "runners high is better than sex" or something like that and she got a few comments from people that she's probably doing it wrong xD In any case good to see you've taken it up. It is hard to get started but patience is the way to go. Good luck! | ||
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LOL no pun intended I swear haha. Seriously though I read his filter and I struggled to get a good read on him. I saw tells but could not get a strong conclusion and already explained why but will re-read latter comments. | ||
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On July 10 2015 23:50 Clarity_nl wrote: Milo went from calling Kelsier scum immediately after Kelsier said Damdred is scum, to scumreading damdred when there was no longer pressure on him, without reasons. This is pretty much the simular thing that went down in Holy Guardians he was hard defending the scummy townies in Chocolate and Templar who both eventually got mislynched because they were legitimately playing scummy. No one picked up on it that game. TMI is the pattern here. | ||
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On July 11 2015 00:03 Holyflare wrote: So why did you ignore the question when i was asking about milo defending trfel? :s I mean like... You never even acknowledged it and you're telling me you knew this all along and didn't say anything about it when it's his mafia meta to do exactly what i was saying? :s:s I could be wrong but may have been the time I had you on ignore. I had been scum reading milo for other reasons anyhow through d1. | ||
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I'd like to know top reads (scum reads at very worst) from him EBH, Oats. I think Scott posted recently but if you didn't same thing please. | ||
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On July 11 2015 00:15 ruXxar wrote: HTS, what makes you think KSC and Breshke are town? The short answer to both questions is d1 play. I know you hate the use of meta but that helped me with Breshke. For KSC he also pinged Damdred on the nature of his pushes (esp wave) early on. KSC has fallen off but skimming the area where LS claimed I know he got back in at some point so if you have reason to scumread him on d2 play, what is it? Or is it just the fact you've thinking he's fallen off? | ||
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I'm actually more interested in seeing EBH explanations for KSC and obi. What are you seeing there that some of us are not? | ||
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On July 11 2015 00:57 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: Well for meapak a few things the whole "oh no don't lynch BM to not lynch me I can't have that" is a scummy thing to do. Its pretty much exactly what I and a lot of other people would do as scum in that situation, try to seem reasonable and like you're actually weighing options on the lynch but intrinsically you are really just like "yea hopefully this makes me look townie and it gets them off me due to me not trying to preserve myself" hard to explain but a town member would just be like fuck yea lynch that dirty lurker whereas the mafia KNOWS he is town so its an awkward spot for him to manage. Then of course the palmar night kill so there has to be an old player somewhere, that's my pick. His filter is actually decent besides that, but he's not an awful garbage player so.. most of this read is definitely sheeping though. For kelsier I mean this is mostly an activity thing, guy just dropped off the face of the earth after day 1. Game is going to shit for mafia so far so he might have become uninterested. I already acknowledged in my opening post too that I found his playstyle different from his town game and peculiar. This sudden inactivity is only reinforcing my read. Obi you would just have to look trhough the database and compare games. This just looks like his scumgame to me not much more to say. That's also why its my least confident though. Fair enough. KSC makes some sense. If I had to look at KSC in a different light on d1 did he actually push Damdred on what he felt was a bad push on wave (someone brought up the LS push as being bad was it him or ras...) It's worth a double check, independent of activity. Note to self... | ||
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For Vivax, I'm going to ignore his posting volume (or lack of in this case) solely because in Assassination I think I did to some extent and (as blue in that game) pushed him to a mislynch. So I'm just focusing on only what he has and taking it from there. I think the inactivity argument has been beaten to death and alone may not necessarily be alignment indicative. 1 Reads on geript AND 2 lack of followup/evolution on Damdred. On July 07 2015 00:31 Vivax wrote: I was quite sure I was onto something when I said geript's confidene was unnatural at that stage in the game. Turns out he threw out scumreads as if he was the pro scumhunter when everyone else was way less "ticking in". On top of that it turns out those scumreads don't seem to matter much wehn he comments on a list containing one of them,v reinforcing my suspicion that it was just a show he put up to look like he was scumhunting. + Show Spoiler + On July 06 2015 09:17 geript wrote: I'm not sure if you're right on Damdred. I'm sure you're wrong on wave. I agree about Ruxx. The big thing though is that you're wrong on Wave. He's town. He also likes to swear a lot when faced with suspicion, cause he thinks when he's being a dick to people they will believe he's town. The word that came to mind for his behaviour when confronted with accusations is wannabe cowboy. I imagine this guy in disguise chewing bubble gum and spewing his brown spit in his forced attempt to look like he fits in but even google knows the truth, geript looks more like this when he is trying to do that: (picture removed from original quote) Ever since he "found the two scum" the other guy he's been bitching about is Oats when it sort of fit in with the thread sentiment. ##Vote: geript I think this could be contrived. I have seen many players simply say "mafia" "town" etc, and where he gets overconfident from I am not sure. Reading geript's filter in parallel he calls LS's response to HF's vote on Trfel mafia - from MY PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE I made nothing of that post from LS (LS comments on obvious things all the time, I'd have considered it null) but for someone like geript maybe not quite as familiar (???) with LS, LS's post says something without saying something. Objectively it makes sense that geript would call him mafia. Now where the overconfidence comes from? I have no idea. I mean he's sure not going all out on LS for it and only a day later he just has LS "not in my town circle." Vivax's post on this then goes into how geript's anger is mafia indicative. No, just no. I've seen him get angry as town when people don't read him right, when he's already been mislynched or if town make bad plays. Sure he gets mad too as scum (JOAT comes to mind) but looking at geript's filter what Vivax says about him is out of context. On July 07 2015 01:45 Vivax wrote: I retract that I would sheep on Trfel, I realized he posted more than I thought. We should kill geript for being a liar. Here's the question - WHAT DID GERIPT AT THAT TIME LIE ABOUT? It is not clear what the point of contention was in either of their filters. Also more on the odd confidence: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24525302 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=92#1838 I read the back and forth here and even after geript is clarifying his stance, how is this "odd confidence". At least Vivax gets some points for pushing geript a little but the backing off Damdred worries me to some extent. He says he'd lynch Wave and I don't know if that's also because (likely mafia) Damdred wanted to push Wave as well. I asked Vivax later what he thought about Damdred and he gave a noncomittal and later... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=92#1838 "Why is Damdred not playing his town game?" So it's not clear where and how that read evolved. He's contesting geript on why Damdred isn't town when he had that viewpoint himself and it's on someone that was reading as scum so what else was the purpose of that question re: Damdred? TLDR - I think his reads on geript are contrived. I also think there's a bit of soft pushing on Damdred, which I crosschecked d1, the questions weren't bad but then there also lacked followup on it. No real evolution of Damdred scum to Damdred town in final query to Geript. 3 The claims - "why are we lynching into claimed X" I know geript already commented on this but I do want to bring it up again. Vivax has been around long enough he should understand why people are disputing certain claims - be it wanderer, dt, etc. When geript contests, he gives another evasive/non-answer http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=153#3060 So here's the question I would have had - if you weren't sure the claim was real, then what do you do instead? Evaluate behaviour. Did this happen? Looking at Vivax's filter, doesn't look like it. Even if you are bad at claim analysis, if you are reading geript you should be able to read into ritoky's (then) really short filter or milo's without even thinking of it. 4 Exchange with Boxerfred He has a series of questions with Boxerfred - Reference Vivax's filter, top half of page 5. What does he do with these questions? There is no conclusion from them, so I am led to believe he's posting just to post. That was 8 July, he afks for almost 48h, comes back to vote, but there's no apparent interest on BF. Overall conclusion Maybeeeeeee it's trash-tier town Vivax here, but I'm thinking unlikely thinking the interactions with (confirmed scum) Damdred. Ignoring meta, I think this behaviour points to a scum Vivax. AGAIN DISCLAIMER - I am NOT taking inactivity into account either way. Questions If you think I have something wrong in here shout, or geript or BF or anyone else that interacted with him more want to comment on him as well it might be helpful. | ||
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Maybe it was the nature of each of their pushes, and taking Wave's alleged meta into account it does raise where he's coming up with that. But it makes me wonder a little. A note to myself for later... | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=163#3258 If you filter Vivax's last page you'll see that quote is below the second set of clarifications geript has - yet the read on him doesn't change. Not sure what to make of this part alone, a town Vivax (if I'm wrong) could be tunnelled, a mafia Vivax will want to keep the read for the sake of keeping the read. Damn. | ||
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