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GlowingBear
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Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 06:22 GMT
#1453
And ritoky, yes, I don't have a scumread outside the lynch list I proposed.
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GlowingBear
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June 18 2015 06:24 GMT
#1455
On June 18 2015 15:23 Holyflare wrote:
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HF, LS has 8 pages of filter and he claimed a role. This is enough for me to give him a town pass.


Yet you were more than comfortable to keep calling ls mafia for him calling out the smurf hunting thing? Sure gb, i believe this crap you're trying to sell me.

I have no reason to scum read breshke atm and everything he says is logical and well thought out so yeh towny


Quote a post where I called him mafia.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 06:25 GMT
#1456
You see, I saw scummy things in LS which I thought it was weird, and I pushed them, but way more for the sake of gathering information from him. I don't CARE for LS today. I can look at him tomorrow.

I did NOT try to stop Breshke from calling LS out. I just felt Breshke is looking scummy to me and I pointed that out.
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GlowingBear
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Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 06:30 GMT
#1461
On June 18 2015 15:27 Holyflare wrote:
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On June 18 2015 13:23 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 18 2015 11:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 10:10 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 18 2015 09:57 Lohengramm wrote:
On June 17 2015 07:19 NydusHerMain wrote:
"My fucking vt claim"

Just feels like really awkward phrasing. Doesn't feel genuine, kinda like he's missing a couple of words.

I feel like this is pretty awful

On June 17 2015 07:25 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't like kelsier either. Stupid thing to go on rofl. I think that if I saw someone else post what I did I'd be like "great that doesn't really mean anything. Let's move on" haha


at least he realizes he's awful

On June 17 2015 07:42 GlowingBear wrote:
The SUPER AWESOME PRELIMINARY READS LIST REGARDING THE FIRST 3 PAGES OF THE THREAD

Probs town
LS
Nydus

Probs mafai
Boxerfred
Onegu

Yeah. This little.


feels off

the tone of his posting is to trollish. as town he seems more dickish and tryhard. no like.

this is what I have so far

you guys deal with it


Rayn pls

Why go smurf hunt if the guy is a smurf esp given what happened in our last game? This seems confusing because Bugs did this on to you last game and now you doing this? Very odd.


LOL LS now I really want to vote you, just for this.
I've NEVER called him scum nor town for smurfing and it makes no difference to me to define his alignment, which was EXACTLY what bugs was doing last game.



Pretty much the entire page of you needlessly nitpicking at the guy you're now telling me is totally townie for things that existed before you made this page of posts.



He did something weird, I tunneled, rsoultin took me out of it, I've let it go.

You're the one nitpicking here.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 06:38 GMT
#1465
On June 18 2015 15:33 Holyflare wrote:
This new chain of events is:

Ls chas 8 pages of filter
Gb does shit all
Hf calls him out
Gb says he'll do stuff
Gb doesn't do stuff
Gb goes hipster and denounces all bf reads while imploring that his bf read of his first post is the best read
Gb pointlessly asks useless questions to ls and breshke that lead to nothing
Hf calls out gb for ls bs reads page
Gb says ls gets town pass cz 8 pages of filter and blue claim
Hf laughs at the bs false time line of events and lies


I am doing stuff?

Like trying to organise town and giving more substantialized reads?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 06:47 GMT
#1467
On June 18 2015 15:41 ritoky wrote:
fukkkk=cckkkckckfndjkkckck

i gotta go to jack in the box again? pregnant wives and their cravings man. shit blows. brb.


GL rit.

BTW I'm going to sleep. 4 AM.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 15:20 GMT
#1555
Dude
Kelsier

I won't even read your case.

You guys want to lynch very active people on day1. It's ridiculous. Argh.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 15:26 GMT
#1556
On June 18 2015 23:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
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On June 18 2015 23:02 rsoultin wrote:
Nh

Who cares really?

That's prob enough to remove lohen from my d1 list as a replacement though

Do I have to vote you wbg to get you to answer my questions on your read change? I'd rather not cause while I disagree strongly on ksc, your points on gb were decent

Also at all you lovelies wanting to kill someone you think is town...isn't that what like cop/vig roles are for? Would make more sense if most people thought he was scum don't really get it

Also just random thought...I figured out what's bugging me about damdy. Tells ls he's got his back but doesn't really marry actions to words. Tryna decide if that's just cause he's upset about his case being ignored or not though


I don't have the time to answer your questions about townreads, in particular my change on you because to me they're irrelevant and not worth the time. In fact, even this to me is a waste of time because I can't believe that I am actually arguing about this. You even considering wasting a vote to get that kind of information to me is really puzzling because I can't see in which world any of that information would be useful to you.

Vote me if you think I am scum, but don't act like any other reason would be a valid one.

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On June 18 2015 23:00 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.

Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.

The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.

GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.

What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today?


so you were unsure of LS aswell and I was pushing him hard calling him scum. Then when he makes a horrible claim you are surprised that I still think he is scum?
You also said that I "didn't quite do anything else" and I "kinda disappeared" I explained I was looking at other people in the game at that point but I didn't leave anyone in doubt what I felt about LS. Can you actually explain what you mean by this in a more concrete way without hedging


Why is it that every time you post something in response to someone you manage to mangle or misread it completely?

Just because I said I was unsure on LS prior to the claim it does not mean I found him scummy. You say he made a horrible claim, which I agree. The fact that you think it is alignment indicative (of LS being scum, no less) is the reason I think you are scum. Your only reasoning for the claim being indicative of LS being scum is "horrible" while I have consistently pointed out why it makes no sense from a scum PERSPECTIVE. You are obviously not this stupid so my best assumption here is that you are purposely choosing to refuse to back down because you are scum and flipping your read at this point would be too dangerous. That also makes sense in the context of the fact that you are not actually really pushing LS as I would expect a townie to push him. That's what I mean by you didn't do anything and that you disappeared, because for a long time you were not in thread, and as BF has gained more suspicion you haven't done anything to convince other people that they should vote LS over BF. Unless of course you think they are both scum, which I think is preposterous in itself.

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On June 18 2015 23:07 rsoultin wrote:
Hey wbg on phone and no comp access till much later. Show me the read.change from gb i'm quotes please?

His last scum game he was very focused on others reads on him as well and I was getting deja vu yesterday but a read switch would be much more damning I think


Take a look at this:

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On June 17 2015 07:42 GlowingBear wrote:
The SUPER AWESOME PRELIMINARY READS LIST REGARDING THE FIRST 3 PAGES OF THE THREAD

Probs town
LS
Nydus

Probs mafai
Boxerfred
Onegu

Yeah. This little.


One of his first posts, it appears he felt pretty strongly about LS early on because he was one of the only players he bothered posting about.

And again, not too long after:

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On June 17 2015 08:52 GlowingBear wrote:
ANOTHER PRELIMINARY READ LIST OF THE FIRST HOURS OF THE GAME

Probs town
Kelsier
Breshke
LS
Nydus(?)

Probs mafai
Onegu
Boxerfred
Bugs
Ritoky

Someone I want to spank for treating me bad
Rsoultin


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On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Actual Listpost v1.0


Probs town
...
  • LS (a lot of activity early game, enough to grant him a day1 pass IMO)

...
Probs Mafia
  • Onegu (unnecessary need to claim VT ESPECIALLY after he was scumread for not claiming VT in a previous game + meta: town onegu is lazy and I don't see him giving himself the trouble to going into another game to paste an opening where he claimed VT as town + Onegu prefers playing as scum and he was too excited for rolling VT, meanwhile in the other game he was extremely upset he rolled VT)
  • boxerfred (opening is a joke post commenting another joke post and fucking off of the thread)

boxerfred


The interesting thing here is that he has onegu and LS on opposite sides, yet he doesn't react to onegu voting LS later...

then, after the claim:

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On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too


as soon as I start defending him right then and there really hard, GB does this:

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On June 18 2015 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 18 2015 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too


wtf why are you jumping so hard on this opportunity to lynch an obvious townie

are you scum again?


Explain to me why he is obvious townie
Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie?


then this, in which he actually doesn't really take an opinion one way or another which to me was pretty strange:

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On June 18 2015 04:54 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 18 2015 04:50 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 18 2015 04:49 ritoky wrote:
On June 18 2015 04:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 18 2015 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 18 2015 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too


wtf why are you jumping so hard on this opportunity to lynch an obvious townie

are you scum again?


Explain to me why he is obvious townie
Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie?


he wasn't necessarily obvious townie prior to the claim but any and all doubts should have been erased to people who understand the slightest thing when it comes to town/mafia motivation when he ended up claiming.

He had 1 vote and was in no serious threat of being lynched and yet he blue claimed on day 1. What kind of scum move would that be? It literally makes 0 sense from a scum perspective, especially when we all know how bad LS's scum play is.


You say too dumb to be scum.

They say too anti-town to be town.

Onegu says stop doing this, going to lynch you every time.


people say "too anti-town to be town" when they really mean "I think that play was stupid and you deserve to die for it"

That kind of mentality literally ignores all possible motivational reads because it doesn't involve motivation at all and is simply a surface-level misinterpretation of what is going on. Try to think through it from the perspective of LS being scum and it makes no sense at all for him to do that


I can see scum LS panicking when a single vote is casted on him and claiming named VT because this role has no night power (easy to claim) and it's not a common role (low chances of counter claiming)

It doesn't make sense from a town perspective either.


and then finally he does this:

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On June 18 2015 04:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Alright bugs, could we lynch VA?


He also said some lie about blue claiming being in LS's meta which he claimed was some sort of test for what my response would be but it seemed forced to me.





Most of the posts you've quoted were built for the same of reaction testing, including the "LS claims blue as scum" meta, which I said to gauge your answer (if you said you don't care for his meta or you don't know what his meta is you would be straight up lying and I would vote you at he exact instant!

I find hard to believe that you don't see a distinct gameplay from this game to the another
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 15:26 GMT
#1557
EBWOP: for the sake of reaction testing
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 15:29 GMT
#1558
My problem here is: if you're town, you're not helping your team when you don't narrow a lynch list for today and discuss it with your townreads.

This kind of disorganisation always lead into a mislynch, since it's very easy for scum to manipulate people into voting who they want to.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 15:54 GMT
#1560
When I said "you" I meant players in general
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 15:57 GMT
#1561
Bugs could be Mafia but he isn't being lynched today

The ones you said, I could get behind yamato, bf and shockey

Gonna make a case on Breshke later
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 16:11 GMT
#1569
Good god bugs, I thought you were good

HF you should know by now that I'm town
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 16:33 GMT
#1584
On June 19 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote:
Also gb how on earth am i supposed to know you're town? You're pushing basically 0 people. You complain about thread not consolidating and then just make arbitrary lists of low content posters while exclaiming you just won't read actual cases on people.

You said you were gonna sheep me and did while exclaiming your dislike for the wagon based on 0 reasons (on rsoul, identical to you as mafia in got) you then just did absolutely nothing till i forced you to and have still done nothing. You're all about getting the thread to do stuff while doing no stuff and picking out weird things that don't make people mafia to push on with these weird fake questions too.

Please explain to me how that should equate to a town gb.


Town GB does these things. Mafia GB is way more concise and focused.

I'm not pushing people, yes. I also said that this game is weird because I'm having no strong scum read.
I am scum reading Breshke now but I have yet to make a case on him.

I just think that day1 is a day we can afford a mislynch, so we remove the scummy question marks. I've always advocate on behalf of this since Avogadro Mini Mafia. I'd rather lynch a question mark rather than a super scummy person on day one, because we reach LYLO and we have 0 information on someone, we are screwed.

That said, I've proposed that list to narrow who I would lynch. Then I wanted to know from my townies who they wouldn't lynch so I could narrow it even more, and so we can discuss things with more focus. I believe town organisation is one of the most important assets in the game. I trust that most of my townreads are correct.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 16:35 GMT
#1585
My wording is TERRIBLE in my latest post

Tell me if you can understand. In case you can't, I will rewrite it
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 16:37 GMT
#1587
Like HF, do you think all Mafia are active?

If not, why would Mafia!GB make a list of inactives and let town decide who to remove or not from there?

It makes no sense from a Mafia perspective
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 16:37 GMT
#1588
On June 19 2015 01:36 KelsierSC wrote:
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On June 19 2015 01:35 GlowingBear wrote:
My wording is TERRIBLE in my latest post

Tell me if you can understand. In case you can't, I will rewrite it


lynching low activity is better than someone scummy. because if scum has a high activity they will give themselves away at some point whereas low activity is always a question.

that right?


Exactly!!!
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 16:49 GMT
#1591
On June 19 2015 01:43 KelsierSC wrote:
GB i'd actually be interested in what you had to say about breshke.
reading through his filter I get the feeling that he was pairing shockey off against LS. like read his filter from page 2 onwards


I will do that. Give me one hour or two

I'm with you regarding bugs, tho. He is probably Mafia.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 16:57 GMT
#1595
This vote count is scary.9
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GlowingBear
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Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 16:58 GMT
#1598
On June 19 2015 01:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:
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On June 18 2015 14:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On June 18 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:
On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey

i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?

your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol ><


In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read.

And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him.


that's cool. you once made a terrible list post a couple hours into the day and it was terrible. can you do that again but make it less terrible this time? thanks.


I will post my list in the morning. Going to let the posts rack up a bit more. I want to see others thoughts before I finalize it for day 1.


town:
nhm - nhm's posting just reads town motivated, but he probably will drop to town lean due to his inactivity.
ritoky - I like your posting style from the start, it probably rubs off the wrong way to certain people, but I found it easy to be able to communicate with you

town lean:
breshke - He really comes off as my highest town lean atm, his posting is like the game before and he was town with me.
damdred - my reasons before.
rsoul - her post below put her into the town lean last night. Still wary because she talks about LS as if he can't be scum.

scum lean:
LS - Read filter, I gave quite a few good points on him.
bugs - His case will come afterwards, but his protection of LS just seems weird
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On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.

Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.

The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.

GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.

What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today?

I'm down, what's weird is that you talk about GB being weird for jumping off the LS train, but you're pretty much also doing the same thing, but with a lot more content to it...

lohen - based on thread and points brought up on him. He's new to the game, but still hasn't really posted much...

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On June 18 2015 14:37 ritoky wrote:
On June 18 2015 14:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Alright chops 4, btw what did you think of my push against LS and his responses to me? Also thoughts on rsoul?


I agree with your points but not necessarily your conclusion. Because you seem to not regard the fact that he has done stupid claim shit like this as town on day 1 under no lynch pressure before. Your points aren't wrong, those are anti-town things and his responses to you are bleh at best.

I learned from a recent Obs game that rsoul is an easy read for me in the late game. The problem is she shoots me as scum early in games and I shoot her as scum early in games so neither one of us ever gets there is we are opposing alignments. She is town for now cuz she seems interested in solving the game; will re-evaluate later. Except I expect after my outburst I am gonna get the HF treatment tonight.


But what makes it the same as his previous claims? And I mentioned to him that it's easy to change meta, what are your thoughts on that?

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On June 18 2015 14:40 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 18 2015 14:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GB give me your real thoughts on myself and LS, also what did you think of my push against LS? you were one of the few that I quoted.


I don't remember it.

I'll need to read your filter again.

I think you're scum based on imperfect meta. I remember being on your skin last game and you kept being very... how could I say... cool headed?
And I'm not actually seeing this here.

LS has 8 pages of filter and I'm not lynching anyone like that day1


Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum?

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On June 18 2015 14:32 rsoultin wrote:
On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey

i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?

your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol ><


In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read.

And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him.


oh i actually thought this was directed at rit lol ><

dude, you're going to have to get over the fact that i'm ridiculously involved in threads. there's a method to the madness, and maybe it's not the best for town i'll admit but it somehow works best for me and regardless scum kills me frequently enough that apparently they don't like it either

not really gonna change just cause people disapprove (especially since i doubt i can xP)

if you read my filter, really read it, you will find what everyone finds and namely that is there's a ton more content than meets the eye if all you've got is me and ls that's bad for you cause you're probably not lynching scum lol


Bolded the necessary points so you can start understanding.


Haven't read you filter yet

I base day1 on biggest filters, not the whole game
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