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On June 18 2015 08:13 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 07:56 Damdred wrote:On June 18 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
Well one thing that's interesting is that when Shockey posted his notes he spent the most time in the entire thing talking about me, or quoting my posts. However I provided a good bit of content at that point forward.
He never even followed up on anything that I said or did, or tried to get me to answer any of his other questions in his filter which is interesting. Instead just defending himself.
Breshke was a town read, falling off a bit wouldn't lynch today however.
GB i'm still town reading. Please don't ignore me, I need attention before I go to my corner. In one of shockeys posts he said this, @KSC - I don't get why you think I was going after damdred? It was just an early post to get more info on him and in return he got info out of me. I never even claimed I think he's mafia. If anything, his reads seem town motivated. Did you miss this? If not what is your point? Not sure what is special about not following up with someone who he thinks is town. What do you think about fedeis return? Why do you still read GB as town?
I read the tone of shockey's post about damdred as fairly accusatory.
I think I mentioned this and quoted the part when he said that damdred's post had "little value" or something like that. Anyway I thought he was trying to front after damdred called him out for not reading the post and then his response after that felt like backtracking.
I think I mentioned all of that so apologies if I didn't
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bugs hasn't bothered coming back which doesn't look good for him.
I'm going to bed, night all.
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Morning everyone, catching up now
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On June 18 2015 17:55 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 17:53 Breshke wrote:On June 18 2015 17:50 ritoky wrote:
when he tells you "cuz named VT has no powers and is worthless, so why not claim it"; i will probably be asleep so make sure you ask him "then why didn't you claim it the moment the game started?" for me. i am relying on you for this. don't dishonour me or i will lynch you. but if he isn't here in like 4 hours ill probs be asleep as well. This burden is too heavy 1 of us has to lose sleep for this great cause. i vote you.
I'm here now, i'm on it
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On June 18 2015 18:03 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 17:59 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 17:55 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 17:53 Breshke wrote:On June 18 2015 17:50 ritoky wrote:
when he tells you "cuz named VT has no powers and is worthless, so why not claim it"; i will probably be asleep so make sure you ask him "then why didn't you claim it the moment the game started?" for me. i am relying on you for this. don't dishonour me or i will lynch you. but if he isn't here in like 4 hours ill probs be asleep as well. This burden is too heavy 1 of us has to lose sleep for this great cause. i vote you. I'm here now, i'm on it you caught up it seems, what you think of me getting pissed about LS and then the other shit i typed. and anything else.
well getting pissed off at LS is a totally understandable reaction, I read the stuff he posted after I left and although I don't want to spend another day pointing out all the anti-town, inconsistent stuff. suffice to say his hf is "top town now lets vote bf" is totally inconsistent with his "hf is scum" shit from earlier. He has a top scum read in shockeyy, there are 24 hours left but he wants to completely abandon this because he is scared of being lynched?
If i'm a blue role and I have a top scum read, WHO IS PUSHING ON ME, then I don't just surrender what I think and try and avoid the hammer.
Again he just randomly calls more people town, including the replace who mostly posted about not reading the thread then disappeared.
from your vibe though you seem to think he is town doing the most anti-town shit of all time? A simpler explanation is he is mafia.
Anyway.
with the other stuff you typed, I think your post about MiG was pretty good, I felt the same way when he posted it but at the time it didn't feel that bad. I think the post from Fide about it was probably correct.
Also your town list looks ok apart from bugs, I need to talk to him. He gave his attack on me and I have a few questions for him when he gets back that will be interesting.
I think the longer bf stays away the happier I am to lynch him
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On June 18 2015 18:24 Lohengramm wrote:
from what I've read, I disagree with lynching lightningstrike seeing as I don't think he's mafia yet from his posting. he seems genuine, however poor his play has been. Claiming blue I'd think he actually does more as town than as mafia, counter to whatever people have said about that subject.
I will read this BF guy quickly before I have to leave.
to actually get the read on BF you have to look at the case by hf, bf hasn't really posted anything in a long time.
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On June 18 2015 18:35 Lohengramm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 18:32 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 18:24 Lohengramm wrote:
from what I've read, I disagree with lynching lightningstrike seeing as I don't think he's mafia yet from his posting. he seems genuine, however poor his play has been. Claiming blue I'd think he actually does more as town than as mafia, counter to whatever people have said about that subject.
I will read this BF guy quickly before I have to leave. to actually get the read on BF you have to look at the case by hf, bf hasn't really posted anything in a long time. or I can read his filter and decide for myself. you know, like any sane player would do also, you seem to be voting LS which I disagree with. you should probs stop that.
wow
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On June 18 2015 14:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. that's cool. you once made a terrible list post a couple hours into the day and it was terrible. can you do that again but make it less terrible this time? thanks. I will post my list in the morning. Going to let the posts rack up a bit more. I want to see others thoughts before I finalize it for day 1.
any updates on this?
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On June 18 2015 06:30 KelsierSC wrote:
WBG I read some of what you posted and I see you went to a lot of trouble so.
I've questioned and pushed LS very hard and in my opinion I highlighted aspects of his play that were scummy.
his calling everyone town, not reading the thread, his whole debacle around shockey.
then you add in how he flipped the read on shockey to call him mafia and the inconsistent parts around that.
I feel LS is mafia, when he claimed blue I felt I had him in the noose, he was trying to dodge the pressure and avoid being lynched. I think if he is town he can work his way out of that spot.
I also think my push on shockey was pretty strong.
You have basically said i'm doing fuck all and not reading..I disagree with this completely and I don't think you truly believe it either.
With regards to the anger thing. Assassination mafia I was cop, it was a tightly controlled game. I was on good behaviour. This game it's less tight and i'm kind of pissed off RL.
If you want to ask me some questions then I will answer in a civil manner for the benefit of the thread.
On June 18 2015 06:33 KelsierSC wrote:
I have a few questions for you in return
1) do you still think i'm scum given the responses in the thread
2) when I was questioning LS you had chances to speak up and defend the "clear town" but you didn't. You only spoke after he claimed and diverted pressure onto me. why didn't you speak earlier?
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On June 18 2015 07:47 KelsierSC wrote:I've said more than my fair share and i'm just waiting for bugs to return. So until that time. 
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On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.
Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.
The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.
GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.
What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today?
so you were unsure of LS aswell and I was pushing him hard calling him scum. Then when he makes a horrible claim you are surprised that I still think he is scum?
You also said that I "didn't quite do anything else" and I "kinda disappeared" I explained I was looking at other people in the game at that point but I didn't leave anyone in doubt what I felt about LS. Can you actually explain what you mean by this in a more concrete way without hedging
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On June 18 2015 23:20 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 23:02 rsoultin wrote:
Nh
Who cares really?
That's prob enough to remove lohen from my d1 list as a replacement though
Do I have to vote you wbg to get you to answer my questions on your read change? I'd rather not cause while I disagree strongly on ksc, your points on gb were decent
Also at all you lovelies wanting to kill someone you think is town...isn't that what like cop/vig roles are for? Would make more sense if most people thought he was scum don't really get it
Also just random thought...I figured out what's bugging me about damdy. Tells ls he's got his back but doesn't really marry actions to words. Tryna decide if that's just cause he's upset about his case being ignored or not though I don't have the time to answer your questions about townreads, in particular my change on you because to me they're irrelevant and not worth the time. In fact, even this to me is a waste of time because I can't believe that I am actually arguing about this. You even considering wasting a vote to get that kind of information to me is really puzzling because I can't see in which world any of that information would be useful to you. Vote me if you think I am scum, but don't act like any other reason would be a valid one. Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 23:00 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.
Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.
The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.
GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.
What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today? so you were unsure of LS aswell and I was pushing him hard calling him scum. Then when he makes a horrible claim you are surprised that I still think he is scum? You also said that I "didn't quite do anything else" and I "kinda disappeared" I explained I was looking at other people in the game at that point but I didn't leave anyone in doubt what I felt about LS. Can you actually explain what you mean by this in a more concrete way without hedging Why is it that every time you post something in response to someone you manage to mangle or misread it completely? Just because I said I was unsure on LS prior to the claim it does not mean I found him scummy. You say he made a horrible claim, which I agree. The fact that you think it is alignment indicative (of LS being scum, no less) is the reason I think you are scum. Your only reasoning for the claim being indicative of LS being scum is "horrible" while I have consistently pointed out why it makes no sense from a scum PERSPECTIVE. You are obviously not this stupid so my best assumption here is that you are purposely choosing to refuse to back down because you are scum and flipping your read at this point would be too dangerous. That also makes sense in the context of the fact that you are not actually really pushing LS as I would expect a townie to push him. That's what I mean by you didn't do anything and that you disappeared, because for a long time you were not in thread, and as BF has gained more suspicion you haven't done anything to convince other people that they should vote LS over BF. Unless of course you think they are both scum, which I think is preposterous in itself. Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 23:07 rsoultin wrote:
Hey wbg on phone and no comp access till much later. Show me the read.change from gb i'm quotes please?
His last scum game he was very focused on others reads on him as well and I was getting deja vu yesterday but a read switch would be much more damning I think Take a look at this: Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:42 GlowingBear wrote:
The SUPER AWESOME PRELIMINARY READS LIST REGARDING THE FIRST 3 PAGES OF THE THREAD
Probs town
LS
Nydus
Probs mafai
Boxerfred
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Yeah. This little. One of his first posts, it appears he felt pretty strongly about LS early on because he was one of the only players he bothered posting about. And again, not too long after: Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:52 GlowingBear wrote:ANOTHER PRELIMINARY READ LIST OF THE FIRST HOURS OF THE GAME Probs townKelsier Breshke LS Nydus(?) Probs mafaiOnegu Boxerfred Bugs Ritoky Someone I want to spank for treating me bad  Rsoultin Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote:Actual Listpost v1.0 Probs town... - LS (a lot of activity early game, enough to grant him a day1 pass IMO)
... Probs Mafia- Onegu (unnecessary need to claim VT ESPECIALLY after he was scumread for not claiming VT in a previous game + meta: town onegu is lazy and I don't see him giving himself the trouble to going into another game to paste an opening where he claimed VT as town + Onegu prefers playing as scum and he was too excited for rolling VT, meanwhile in the other game he was extremely upset he rolled VT)
- boxerfred (opening is a joke post commenting another joke post and fucking off of the thread)
boxerfred The interesting thing here is that he has onegu and LS on opposite sides, yet he doesn't react to onegu voting LS later... then, after the claim: as soon as I start defending him right then and there really hard, GB does this: Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too wtf why are you jumping so hard on this opportunity to lynch an obvious townie are you scum again? Explain to me why he is obvious townie Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie? then this, in which he actually doesn't really take an opinion one way or another which to me was pretty strange: Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 04:54 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:50 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:49 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 04:48 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too wtf why are you jumping so hard on this opportunity to lynch an obvious townie are you scum again? Explain to me why he is obvious townie Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie? he wasn't necessarily obvious townie prior to the claim but any and all doubts should have been erased to people who understand the slightest thing when it comes to town/mafia motivation when he ended up claiming. He had 1 vote and was in no serious threat of being lynched and yet he blue claimed on day 1. What kind of scum move would that be? It literally makes 0 sense from a scum perspective, especially when we all know how bad LS's scum play is. You say too dumb to be scum. They say too anti-town to be town. Onegu says stop doing this, going to lynch you every time. people say "too anti-town to be town" when they really mean "I think that play was stupid and you deserve to die for it" That kind of mentality literally ignores all possible motivational reads because it doesn't involve motivation at all and is simply a surface-level misinterpretation of what is going on. Try to think through it from the perspective of LS being scum and it makes no sense at all for him to do that I can see scum LS panicking when a single vote is casted on him and claiming named VT because this role has no night power (easy to claim) and it's not a common role (low chances of counter claiming) It doesn't make sense from a town perspective either. and then finally he does this: He also said some lie about blue claiming being in LS's meta which he claimed was some sort of test for what my response would be but it seemed forced to me.
LS's play is what makes him scummy, the claim just furthers that point. I don't see a reason for a town to claim there at all.
That also makes sense in the context of the fact that you are not actually really pushing LS as I would expect a townie to push him. That's what I mean by you didn't do anything and that you disappeared, because for a long time you were not in thread, and as BF has gained more suspicion you haven't done anything to convince other people that they should vote LS over BF. Unless of course you think they are both scum, which I think is preposterous in itself.
You are just making up reason's to scum read me now. I pushed LS very hard and Everyone was aware of that.
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Also bugs, look at the timestamps of my post and tell me when I wasn't in the thread, I think I went to chill out with a book for 40 minutes then I came back and started making points about LS again.
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On June 18 2015 23:32 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 23:28 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 23:20 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 23:02 rsoultin wrote:
Nh
Who cares really?
That's prob enough to remove lohen from my d1 list as a replacement though
Do I have to vote you wbg to get you to answer my questions on your read change? I'd rather not cause while I disagree strongly on ksc, your points on gb were decent
Also at all you lovelies wanting to kill someone you think is town...isn't that what like cop/vig roles are for? Would make more sense if most people thought he was scum don't really get it
Also just random thought...I figured out what's bugging me about damdy. Tells ls he's got his back but doesn't really marry actions to words. Tryna decide if that's just cause he's upset about his case being ignored or not though I don't have the time to answer your questions about townreads, in particular my change on you because to me they're irrelevant and not worth the time. In fact, even this to me is a waste of time because I can't believe that I am actually arguing about this. You even considering wasting a vote to get that kind of information to me is really puzzling because I can't see in which world any of that information would be useful to you. Vote me if you think I am scum, but don't act like any other reason would be a valid one. On June 18 2015 23:00 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.
Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.
The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.
GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.
What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today? so you were unsure of LS aswell and I was pushing him hard calling him scum. Then when he makes a horrible claim you are surprised that I still think he is scum? You also said that I "didn't quite do anything else" and I "kinda disappeared" I explained I was looking at other people in the game at that point but I didn't leave anyone in doubt what I felt about LS. Can you actually explain what you mean by this in a more concrete way without hedging Why is it that every time you post something in response to someone you manage to mangle or misread it completely? Just because I said I was unsure on LS prior to the claim it does not mean I found him scummy. You say he made a horrible claim, which I agree. The fact that you think it is alignment indicative (of LS being scum, no less) is the reason I think you are scum. Your only reasoning for the claim being indicative of LS being scum is "horrible" while I have consistently pointed out why it makes no sense from a scum PERSPECTIVE. You are obviously not this stupid so my best assumption here is that you are purposely choosing to refuse to back down because you are scum and flipping your read at this point would be too dangerous. That also makes sense in the context of the fact that you are not actually really pushing LS as I would expect a townie to push him. That's what I mean by you didn't do anything and that you disappeared, because for a long time you were not in thread, and as BF has gained more suspicion you haven't done anything to convince other people that they should vote LS over BF. Unless of course you think they are both scum, which I think is preposterous in itself. On June 18 2015 23:07 rsoultin wrote:
Hey wbg on phone and no comp access till much later. Show me the read.change from gb i'm quotes please?
His last scum game he was very focused on others reads on him as well and I was getting deja vu yesterday but a read switch would be much more damning I think Take a look at this: On June 17 2015 07:42 GlowingBear wrote:
The SUPER AWESOME PRELIMINARY READS LIST REGARDING THE FIRST 3 PAGES OF THE THREAD
Probs town
LS
Nydus
Probs mafai
Boxerfred
Onegu
Yeah. This little. One of his first posts, it appears he felt pretty strongly about LS early on because he was one of the only players he bothered posting about. And again, not too long after: On June 17 2015 08:52 GlowingBear wrote:ANOTHER PRELIMINARY READ LIST OF THE FIRST HOURS OF THE GAME Probs townKelsier Breshke LS Nydus(?) Probs mafaiOnegu Boxerfred Bugs Ritoky Someone I want to spank for treating me bad Rsoultin On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote:Actual Listpost v1.0 Probs town... - LS (a lot of activity early game, enough to grant him a day1 pass IMO)
... Probs Mafia- Onegu (unnecessary need to claim VT ESPECIALLY after he was scumread for not claiming VT in a previous game + meta: town onegu is lazy and I don't see him giving himself the trouble to going into another game to paste an opening where he claimed VT as town + Onegu prefers playing as scum and he was too excited for rolling VT, meanwhile in the other game he was extremely upset he rolled VT)
- boxerfred (opening is a joke post commenting another joke post and fucking off of the thread)
boxerfred The interesting thing here is that he has onegu and LS on opposite sides, yet he doesn't react to onegu voting LS later... then, after the claim: On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too as soon as I start defending him right then and there really hard, GB does this: On June 18 2015 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too wtf why are you jumping so hard on this opportunity to lynch an obvious townie are you scum again? Explain to me why he is obvious townie Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie? then this, in which he actually doesn't really take an opinion one way or another which to me was pretty strange: On June 18 2015 04:54 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:50 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:49 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 04:48 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too wtf why are you jumping so hard on this opportunity to lynch an obvious townie are you scum again? Explain to me why he is obvious townie Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie? he wasn't necessarily obvious townie prior to the claim but any and all doubts should have been erased to people who understand the slightest thing when it comes to town/mafia motivation when he ended up claiming. He had 1 vote and was in no serious threat of being lynched and yet he blue claimed on day 1. What kind of scum move would that be? It literally makes 0 sense from a scum perspective, especially when we all know how bad LS's scum play is. You say too dumb to be scum. They say too anti-town to be town. Onegu says stop doing this, going to lynch you every time. people say "too anti-town to be town" when they really mean "I think that play was stupid and you deserve to die for it" That kind of mentality literally ignores all possible motivational reads because it doesn't involve motivation at all and is simply a surface-level misinterpretation of what is going on. Try to think through it from the perspective of LS being scum and it makes no sense at all for him to do that I can see scum LS panicking when a single vote is casted on him and claiming named VT because this role has no night power (easy to claim) and it's not a common role (low chances of counter claiming) It doesn't make sense from a town perspective either. and then finally he does this: On June 18 2015 04:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Alright bugs, could we lynch VA? He also said some lie about blue claiming being in LS's meta which he claimed was some sort of test for what my response would be but it seemed forced to me. LS's play is what makes him scummy, the claim just furthers that point. I don't see a reason for a town to claim there at all. That also makes sense in the context of the fact that you are not actually really pushing LS as I would expect a townie to push him. That's what I mean by you didn't do anything and that you disappeared, because for a long time you were not in thread, and as BF has gained more suspicion you haven't done anything to convince other people that they should vote LS over BF. Unless of course you think they are both scum, which I think is preposterous in itself. You are just making up reason's to scum read me now. I pushed LS very hard and Everyone was aware of that. The fact that this is your response to my post doesn't look very good for you. The effort level, the way you are undermining my opinion by saying I am making up reasons, and the fact that you are misconstruing your own effort and claiming that "everyone was aware of it". It seems like you are very self conscious of how other people are "aware" of your pushes. Why would that be the case if you are town? If you still think LS is scum why are you okay with him not leading and people actually getting off him now?
are you trying to claim my effort level is low?
i'm interacting with you right now because I asked you questions and waited for you to show up.
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As far as i'm aware your scum read of me is because when my scum read, that I had been pushing really hard, made a stupid claim ,that didn't make sense as town, I carried on reading him as scum
then you made false statements that I stopped trying and didn't carry on pushing LS
you are desperately trying to paint scum on me and it just isn't working.
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On June 18 2015 23:37 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 23:34 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 23:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 23:28 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 23:20 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 23:02 rsoultin wrote:
Nh
Who cares really?
That's prob enough to remove lohen from my d1 list as a replacement though
Do I have to vote you wbg to get you to answer my questions on your read change? I'd rather not cause while I disagree strongly on ksc, your points on gb were decent
Also at all you lovelies wanting to kill someone you think is town...isn't that what like cop/vig roles are for? Would make more sense if most people thought he was scum don't really get it
Also just random thought...I figured out what's bugging me about damdy. Tells ls he's got his back but doesn't really marry actions to words. Tryna decide if that's just cause he's upset about his case being ignored or not though I don't have the time to answer your questions about townreads, in particular my change on you because to me they're irrelevant and not worth the time. In fact, even this to me is a waste of time because I can't believe that I am actually arguing about this. You even considering wasting a vote to get that kind of information to me is really puzzling because I can't see in which world any of that information would be useful to you. Vote me if you think I am scum, but don't act like any other reason would be a valid one. On June 18 2015 23:00 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.
Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.
The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.
GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.
What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today? so you were unsure of LS aswell and I was pushing him hard calling him scum. Then when he makes a horrible claim you are surprised that I still think he is scum? You also said that I "didn't quite do anything else" and I "kinda disappeared" I explained I was looking at other people in the game at that point but I didn't leave anyone in doubt what I felt about LS. Can you actually explain what you mean by this in a more concrete way without hedging Why is it that every time you post something in response to someone you manage to mangle or misread it completely? Just because I said I was unsure on LS prior to the claim it does not mean I found him scummy. You say he made a horrible claim, which I agree. The fact that you think it is alignment indicative (of LS being scum, no less) is the reason I think you are scum. Your only reasoning for the claim being indicative of LS being scum is "horrible" while I have consistently pointed out why it makes no sense from a scum PERSPECTIVE. You are obviously not this stupid so my best assumption here is that you are purposely choosing to refuse to back down because you are scum and flipping your read at this point would be too dangerous. That also makes sense in the context of the fact that you are not actually really pushing LS as I would expect a townie to push him. That's what I mean by you didn't do anything and that you disappeared, because for a long time you were not in thread, and as BF has gained more suspicion you haven't done anything to convince other people that they should vote LS over BF. Unless of course you think they are both scum, which I think is preposterous in itself. On June 18 2015 23:07 rsoultin wrote:
Hey wbg on phone and no comp access till much later. Show me the read.change from gb i'm quotes please?
His last scum game he was very focused on others reads on him as well and I was getting deja vu yesterday but a read switch would be much more damning I think Take a look at this: On June 17 2015 07:42 GlowingBear wrote:
The SUPER AWESOME PRELIMINARY READS LIST REGARDING THE FIRST 3 PAGES OF THE THREAD
Probs town
LS
Nydus
Probs mafai
Boxerfred
Onegu
Yeah. This little. One of his first posts, it appears he felt pretty strongly about LS early on because he was one of the only players he bothered posting about. And again, not too long after: On June 17 2015 08:52 GlowingBear wrote:ANOTHER PRELIMINARY READ LIST OF THE FIRST HOURS OF THE GAME Probs townKelsier Breshke LS Nydus(?) Probs mafaiOnegu Boxerfred Bugs Ritoky Someone I want to spank for treating me bad Rsoultin On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote:Actual Listpost v1.0 Probs town... - LS (a lot of activity early game, enough to grant him a day1 pass IMO)
... Probs Mafia- Onegu (unnecessary need to claim VT ESPECIALLY after he was scumread for not claiming VT in a previous game + meta: town onegu is lazy and I don't see him giving himself the trouble to going into another game to paste an opening where he claimed VT as town + Onegu prefers playing as scum and he was too excited for rolling VT, meanwhile in the other game he was extremely upset he rolled VT)
- boxerfred (opening is a joke post commenting another joke post and fucking off of the thread)
boxerfred The interesting thing here is that he has onegu and LS on opposite sides, yet he doesn't react to onegu voting LS later... then, after the claim: On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too as soon as I start defending him right then and there really hard, GB does this: On June 18 2015 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too wtf why are you jumping so hard on this opportunity to lynch an obvious townie are you scum again? Explain to me why he is obvious townie Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie? then this, in which he actually doesn't really take an opinion one way or another which to me was pretty strange: On June 18 2015 04:54 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:50 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:49 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 04:48 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:
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Explain to me why he is obvious townie
Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie?
he wasn't necessarily obvious townie prior to the claim but any and all doubts should have been erased to people who understand the slightest thing when it comes to town/mafia motivation when he ended up claiming. He had 1 vote and was in no serious threat of being lynched and yet he blue claimed on day 1. What kind of scum move would that be? It literally makes 0 sense from a scum perspective, especially when we all know how bad LS's scum play is. You say too dumb to be scum. They say too anti-town to be town. Onegu says stop doing this, going to lynch you every time. people say "too anti-town to be town" when they really mean "I think that play was stupid and you deserve to die for it" That kind of mentality literally ignores all possible motivational reads because it doesn't involve motivation at all and is simply a surface-level misinterpretation of what is going on. Try to think through it from the perspective of LS being scum and it makes no sense at all for him to do that I can see scum LS panicking when a single vote is casted on him and claiming named VT because this role has no night power (easy to claim) and it's not a common role (low chances of counter claiming) It doesn't make sense from a town perspective either. and then finally he does this: On June 18 2015 04:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Alright bugs, could we lynch VA? He also said some lie about blue claiming being in LS's meta which he claimed was some sort of test for what my response would be but it seemed forced to me. LS's play is what makes him scummy, the claim just furthers that point. I don't see a reason for a town to claim there at all. That also makes sense in the context of the fact that you are not actually really pushing LS as I would expect a townie to push him. That's what I mean by you didn't do anything and that you disappeared, because for a long time you were not in thread, and as BF has gained more suspicion you haven't done anything to convince other people that they should vote LS over BF. Unless of course you think they are both scum, which I think is preposterous in itself. You are just making up reason's to scum read me now. I pushed LS very hard and Everyone was aware of that. The fact that this is your response to my post doesn't look very good for you. The effort level, the way you are undermining my opinion by saying I am making up reasons, and the fact that you are misconstruing your own effort and claiming that "everyone was aware of it". It seems like you are very self conscious of how other people are "aware" of your pushes. Why would that be the case if you are town? If you still think LS is scum why are you okay with him not leading and people actually getting off him now? are you trying to claim my effort level is low? i'm interacting with you right now because I asked you questions and waited for you to show up. your effort level in responding to me sucks. You choose to misconstrue my posts and in the previous one you picked out only the fact that I said I was unsure instead of reading the rest of the part in which I explained how I had LS leaning town before the claim and why the claim is not an indicator that he is scum. You don't bother addressing any of that. Your followup on my questions to me doesn't appear to be town motivated because I would expect a townie to at least attempt to understand what I am saying. Instead all you do is undermine my opinions.
I am trying to understand it that is why i am questioning you.
I DID ADDRESS THAT POINT I had him as scum before the claim, the claim makes no sense as town, i carry on reading him as scum. you understand now?
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I have also invited you to ask me questions if you are unsure of something, instead all you have done is called all my actions scummy, why not actually ask me something
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On June 18 2015 23:41 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 23:36 KelsierSC wrote:
As far as i'm aware your scum read of me is because when my scum read, that I had been pushing really hard, made a stupid claim ,that didn't make sense as town, I carried on reading him as scum
then you made false statements that I stopped trying and didn't carry on pushing LS
you are desperately trying to paint scum on me and it just isn't working. nope you constantly are calling "stupid claim = scum claim" which is NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE the fact that you are not ever noticing I am saying that over and over again and not even responding to it is setting off the alarm for me. Instead you constantly say shit like "you're desperately trying to call me scum" and "you made false statements" and "everyone knows I was pushing him" which are all simply things said to undermine an opinion and not indicators in the slightest that you are town and are attempting to analyze this situation from that perspective. Any townie in such a position would have some doubt and not immediately undermine another player's perspective when they offer a counterpoint. Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 23:38 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 23:37 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 23:34 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 23:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 23:28 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 23:20 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 23:02 rsoultin wrote:
Nh
Who cares really?
That's prob enough to remove lohen from my d1 list as a replacement though
Do I have to vote you wbg to get you to answer my questions on your read change? I'd rather not cause while I disagree strongly on ksc, your points on gb were decent
Also at all you lovelies wanting to kill someone you think is town...isn't that what like cop/vig roles are for? Would make more sense if most people thought he was scum don't really get it
Also just random thought...I figured out what's bugging me about damdy. Tells ls he's got his back but doesn't really marry actions to words. Tryna decide if that's just cause he's upset about his case being ignored or not though I don't have the time to answer your questions about townreads, in particular my change on you because to me they're irrelevant and not worth the time. In fact, even this to me is a waste of time because I can't believe that I am actually arguing about this. You even considering wasting a vote to get that kind of information to me is really puzzling because I can't see in which world any of that information would be useful to you. Vote me if you think I am scum, but don't act like any other reason would be a valid one. On June 18 2015 23:00 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.
Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.
The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.
GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.
What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today? so you were unsure of LS aswell and I was pushing him hard calling him scum. Then when he makes a horrible claim you are surprised that I still think he is scum? You also said that I "didn't quite do anything else" and I "kinda disappeared" I explained I was looking at other people in the game at that point but I didn't leave anyone in doubt what I felt about LS. Can you actually explain what you mean by this in a more concrete way without hedging Why is it that every time you post something in response to someone you manage to mangle or misread it completely? Just because I said I was unsure on LS prior to the claim it does not mean I found him scummy. You say he made a horrible claim, which I agree. The fact that you think it is alignment indicative (of LS being scum, no less) is the reason I think you are scum. Your only reasoning for the claim being indicative of LS being scum is "horrible" while I have consistently pointed out why it makes no sense from a scum PERSPECTIVE. You are obviously not this stupid so my best assumption here is that you are purposely choosing to refuse to back down because you are scum and flipping your read at this point would be too dangerous. That also makes sense in the context of the fact that you are not actually really pushing LS as I would expect a townie to push him. That's what I mean by you didn't do anything and that you disappeared, because for a long time you were not in thread, and as BF has gained more suspicion you haven't done anything to convince other people that they should vote LS over BF. Unless of course you think they are both scum, which I think is preposterous in itself. On June 18 2015 23:07 rsoultin wrote:
Hey wbg on phone and no comp access till much later. Show me the read.change from gb i'm quotes please?
His last scum game he was very focused on others reads on him as well and I was getting deja vu yesterday but a read switch would be much more damning I think Take a look at this: On June 17 2015 07:42 GlowingBear wrote:
The SUPER AWESOME PRELIMINARY READS LIST REGARDING THE FIRST 3 PAGES OF THE THREAD
Probs town
LS
Nydus
Probs mafai
Boxerfred
Onegu
Yeah. This little. One of his first posts, it appears he felt pretty strongly about LS early on because he was one of the only players he bothered posting about. And again, not too long after: On June 17 2015 08:52 GlowingBear wrote:ANOTHER PRELIMINARY READ LIST OF THE FIRST HOURS OF THE GAME Probs townKelsier Breshke LS Nydus(?) Probs mafaiOnegu Boxerfred Bugs Ritoky Someone I want to spank for treating me bad Rsoultin On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote:Actual Listpost v1.0 Probs town... - LS (a lot of activity early game, enough to grant him a day1 pass IMO)
... Probs Mafia- Onegu (unnecessary need to claim VT ESPECIALLY after he was scumread for not claiming VT in a previous game + meta: town onegu is lazy and I don't see him giving himself the trouble to going into another game to paste an opening where he claimed VT as town + Onegu prefers playing as scum and he was too excited for rolling VT, meanwhile in the other game he was extremely upset he rolled VT)
- boxerfred (opening is a joke post commenting another joke post and fucking off of the thread)
boxerfred The interesting thing here is that he has onegu and LS on opposite sides, yet he doesn't react to onegu voting LS later... then, after the claim: On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too as soon as I start defending him right then and there really hard, GB does this: On June 18 2015 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too wtf why are you jumping so hard on this opportunity to lynch an obvious townie are you scum again? Explain to me why he is obvious townie Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie? then this, in which he actually doesn't really take an opinion one way or another which to me was pretty strange: On June 18 2015 04:54 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:50 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:49 ritoky wrote:
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You say too dumb to be scum.
They say too anti-town to be town.
Onegu says stop doing this, going to lynch you every time. people say "too anti-town to be town" when they really mean "I think that play was stupid and you deserve to die for it" That kind of mentality literally ignores all possible motivational reads because it doesn't involve motivation at all and is simply a surface-level misinterpretation of what is going on. Try to think through it from the perspective of LS being scum and it makes no sense at all for him to do that I can see scum LS panicking when a single vote is casted on him and claiming named VT because this role has no night power (easy to claim) and it's not a common role (low chances of counter claiming) It doesn't make sense from a town perspective either. and then finally he does this: On June 18 2015 04:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Alright bugs, could we lynch VA? He also said some lie about blue claiming being in LS's meta which he claimed was some sort of test for what my response would be but it seemed forced to me. LS's play is what makes him scummy, the claim just furthers that point. I don't see a reason for a town to claim there at all. That also makes sense in the context of the fact that you are not actually really pushing LS as I would expect a townie to push him. That's what I mean by you didn't do anything and that you disappeared, because for a long time you were not in thread, and as BF has gained more suspicion you haven't done anything to convince other people that they should vote LS over BF. Unless of course you think they are both scum, which I think is preposterous in itself. You are just making up reason's to scum read me now. I pushed LS very hard and Everyone was aware of that. The fact that this is your response to my post doesn't look very good for you. The effort level, the way you are undermining my opinion by saying I am making up reasons, and the fact that you are misconstruing your own effort and claiming that "everyone was aware of it". It seems like you are very self conscious of how other people are "aware" of your pushes. Why would that be the case if you are town? If you still think LS is scum why are you okay with him not leading and people actually getting off him now? are you trying to claim my effort level is low? i'm interacting with you right now because I asked you questions and waited for you to show up. your effort level in responding to me sucks. You choose to misconstrue my posts and in the previous one you picked out only the fact that I said I was unsure instead of reading the rest of the part in which I explained how I had LS leaning town before the claim and why the claim is not an indicator that he is scum. You don't bother addressing any of that. Your followup on my questions to me doesn't appear to be town motivated because I would expect a townie to at least attempt to understand what I am saying. Instead all you do is undermine my opinions. I am trying to understand it that is why i am questioning you. I DID ADDRESS THAT POINT I had him as scum before the claim, the claim makes no sense as town, i carry on reading him as scum. you understand now? THE CLAIM ONLY MAKES SENSE FROM TOWN. The fact that you are NOT understanding this despite how fucking obvious it is, is an indicator that you are lying when you claim that your questions are intended to understand it. anyway whatever getting really annoyed that I am talking to you but you are scum so I'm just going to ignore you for the rest of the game
that's a helpful attitude.
In my opinion the claim doesn't make sense as town. When you add that to the countless scummy things LS has done this game. He is my top scum read.
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On June 18 2015 23:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright whatever this is making me rage so I'm gonna leave now
please don't come back, like ever
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On June 18 2015 23:54 Onegu wrote:
Also I will be honest I think LS is town.
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