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On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him.
that's cool. you once made a terrible list post a couple hours into the day and it was terrible. can you do that again but make it less terrible this time? thanks.
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On June 18 2015 14:22 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:21 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 14:16 Breshke wrote:LS isn't even trying to convince me of his read on shockey or any other player which i feel he should think is more important than this. On June 18 2015 14:13 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 14:10 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 14:03 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 13:57 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 13:54 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 13:43 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 13:37 GlowingBear wrote:
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Why pointing out the "smurf hunt" thing then? Because from the way I read it was like you calling him Rayn(Who is usually a jerk as scum) and we shouldn't really care about the smurf's aka as long they help us as town. Here is my problem: I never intended to put effort in smurf hunting by calling him Rayn. I do this everytime with smurfs. Your interpretation was a huge overreaction. But the biggest problem is not that you looked at me and said: "GB we shouldn't smurf hunt dude" if you really read me as town. My concern is that you just posted "WOW YOU'RE SMURF HUNTING THAT'S ODD" in such a way that you clearly was throwing suspicions at me. Why throwing suspicions like that on someone you think is town instead of simply SUGGESTING that I should not scum hunt? dude haven't i already told you to let this go -_- even if ls is scum this has no bearing on his alignment. stop quibbling over trivialities How come not? He saw an opportunity to discredit me and took it, even while townreading me. Tell me how a town would react this way. if he indeed was attempting to discredit you, sure xP but how do you know that's what he actually was doing? or how strong his townread on you is? do you never question townreads when they say something that looks weird to you? see why this doesn't matter yet? I wasn't trying to discredit you GB I was just finding it odd that's all  ##Unvote
##Vote Lightningstrike The bolded is bull shit I actually been trying to convince you on my case but instead I facing a brick wall from everyone but it prob because everyone thing I a Mason with Damdred it just me and Damdred work well together -_-. Wait, you're masoned with Damdred or not?
I thought I answered it clearly but apparently you can't read it but here a even clear answer: No I not masoned with Damdred.
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On June 18 2015 14:17 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:06 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 14:01 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 13:55 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 13:52 ritoky wrote:
ugh i am in such a bad headspace right now. reading this thread making me angrier.  why so angry? real life shit and LS' posting. i am about to say some fucking anti-town shit and i don't give a fuck. unless LS gets to a place where i can town read him for the remainder of the game today or there is slam dunk mafia i am probably voting on him. and i actually somewhat believe his blue claim is real. the problem is the guy keeps spewing anti-town sentiment every time he posts, seriously....he is going to be left alive all fucking game on this question mark of a claim and every phase we are gonna do the "whooaaaa should i lynch him today? dance" and it will probably cost town the fucking game. oh an if you're gonna fucking claim masons with damdred instead of your named VT shit, just do it. you're not subtle in the slightest. since you already claimed blue, if you don't do it now never gonna believe that shit. the state of this game angers me because i think the two people playing the most anti-town are likely town and we are in terrible trouble. ls and wbg if i recall correctly? eh turning off that rsoul persona y'all know and love -coughs- i understand your anger, ritoky. the reason i have so much trouble turning off the growl is nothing irritates me more than terrible arguments of nothing when i'm trying to solve a game...but there are always going to be bad players and bad plays and what it comes down to is if you actually think/believe these players are town you're gonna just have to let it go, you know? lol there's a reason my reads are like so much better on the big names...whether or not they're just being bad usually isn't in question work with me to find the scum? and while you're at it, if you have a townread on wbg, can you please explain it? his push on me...blah...and i just reread ksc and it's like how does anyone come up with scum from that? @.@ i don't get it when y'all are treating wbg like he's actually good (and i know he caught scum last game) alright let's find a scum case good enough to make me not vote on LS. who's your town, let's compare lists.
lol >< you're catching me in the middle of my filter dives so i think this may change suddenly so bear with me :/
currently you, fidei and ksc are my top towns
just got finished diving shockey and i dunnae...maybe you wouldn't mind taking a look at his filter? it doesn't actually seem that bad
like the push on damdy was when damdy gave pretty paintbrush reads after being asked to substantiate them, which i think is fairly justified...plus you know, he posts an entire list of everyone and then criticizes damdy for 3...to me that seems like maybe he thinks posting lists like that is the right thing for town to do lol ><
not a townread but i don't think i really want to lynch him today anymore
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On June 18 2015 14:25 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:17 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:06 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 14:01 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 13:55 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 13:52 ritoky wrote:
ugh i am in such a bad headspace right now. reading this thread making me angrier. why so angry? real life shit and LS' posting. i am about to say some fucking anti-town shit and i don't give a fuck. unless LS gets to a place where i can town read him for the remainder of the game today or there is slam dunk mafia i am probably voting on him. and i actually somewhat believe his blue claim is real. the problem is the guy keeps spewing anti-town sentiment every time he posts, seriously....he is going to be left alive all fucking game on this question mark of a claim and every phase we are gonna do the "whooaaaa should i lynch him today? dance" and it will probably cost town the fucking game. oh an if you're gonna fucking claim masons with damdred instead of your named VT shit, just do it. you're not subtle in the slightest. since you already claimed blue, if you don't do it now never gonna believe that shit. the state of this game angers me because i think the two people playing the most anti-town are likely town and we are in terrible trouble. ls and wbg if i recall correctly? eh turning off that rsoul persona y'all know and love -coughs- i understand your anger, ritoky. the reason i have so much trouble turning off the growl is nothing irritates me more than terrible arguments of nothing when i'm trying to solve a game...but there are always going to be bad players and bad plays and what it comes down to is if you actually think/believe these players are town you're gonna just have to let it go, you know? lol there's a reason my reads are like so much better on the big names...whether or not they're just being bad usually isn't in question work with me to find the scum? and while you're at it, if you have a townread on wbg, can you please explain it? his push on me...blah...and i just reread ksc and it's like how does anyone come up with scum from that? @.@ i don't get it when y'all are treating wbg like he's actually good (and i know he caught scum last game) alright let's find a scum case good enough to make me not vote on LS. who's your town, let's compare lists. lol >< you're catching me in the middle of my filter dives so i think this may change suddenly so bear with me :/ currently you, fidei and ksc are my top towns just got finished diving shockey and i dunnae...maybe you wouldn't mind taking a look at his filter? it doesn't actually seem that bad like the push on damdy was when damdy gave pretty paintbrush reads after being asked to substantiate them, which i think is fairly justified...plus you know, he posts an entire list of everyone and then criticizes damdy for 3...to me that seems like maybe he thinks posting lists like that is the right thing for town to do lol >< not a townread but i don't think i really want to lynch him today anymore
you have fringe townies, cuz a list of you + 3 is not exactly a good place to begin PoEing down who to look into.
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On June 18 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. that's cool. you once made a terrible list post a couple hours into the day and it was terrible. can you do that again but make it less terrible this time? thanks.
very much this
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On June 18 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. that's cool. you once made a terrible list post a couple hours into the day and it was terrible. can you do that again but make it less terrible this time? thanks.
I will post my list in the morning. Going to let the posts rack up a bit more. I want to see others thoughts before I finalize it for day 1.
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there was supposed to be a question somewhere in there, it failed to make the plate.
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On June 18 2015 14:26 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:25 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 14:17 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:06 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 14:01 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 13:55 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 13:52 ritoky wrote:
ugh i am in such a bad headspace right now. reading this thread making me angrier. why so angry? real life shit and LS' posting. i am about to say some fucking anti-town shit and i don't give a fuck. unless LS gets to a place where i can town read him for the remainder of the game today or there is slam dunk mafia i am probably voting on him. and i actually somewhat believe his blue claim is real. the problem is the guy keeps spewing anti-town sentiment every time he posts, seriously....he is going to be left alive all fucking game on this question mark of a claim and every phase we are gonna do the "whooaaaa should i lynch him today? dance" and it will probably cost town the fucking game. oh an if you're gonna fucking claim masons with damdred instead of your named VT shit, just do it. you're not subtle in the slightest. since you already claimed blue, if you don't do it now never gonna believe that shit. the state of this game angers me because i think the two people playing the most anti-town are likely town and we are in terrible trouble. ls and wbg if i recall correctly? eh turning off that rsoul persona y'all know and love -coughs- i understand your anger, ritoky. the reason i have so much trouble turning off the growl is nothing irritates me more than terrible arguments of nothing when i'm trying to solve a game...but there are always going to be bad players and bad plays and what it comes down to is if you actually think/believe these players are town you're gonna just have to let it go, you know? lol there's a reason my reads are like so much better on the big names...whether or not they're just being bad usually isn't in question work with me to find the scum? and while you're at it, if you have a townread on wbg, can you please explain it? his push on me...blah...and i just reread ksc and it's like how does anyone come up with scum from that? @.@ i don't get it when y'all are treating wbg like he's actually good (and i know he caught scum last game) alright let's find a scum case good enough to make me not vote on LS. who's your town, let's compare lists. lol >< you're catching me in the middle of my filter dives so i think this may change suddenly so bear with me :/ currently you, fidei and ksc are my top towns just got finished diving shockey and i dunnae...maybe you wouldn't mind taking a look at his filter? it doesn't actually seem that bad like the push on damdy was when damdy gave pretty paintbrush reads after being asked to substantiate them, which i think is fairly justified...plus you know, he posts an entire list of everyone and then criticizes damdy for 3...to me that seems like maybe he thinks posting lists like that is the right thing for town to do lol >< not a townread but i don't think i really want to lynch him today anymore you have fringe townies, cuz a list of you + 3 is not exactly a good place to begin PoEing down who to look into.
lol xP i'm not adding on my feels...that's as far as i've gotten with filters @.@ so as i said, bear with me
i'm actually more interested in if you disagree with anything i have yet
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On June 18 2015 14:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. that's cool. you once made a terrible list post a couple hours into the day and it was terrible. can you do that again but make it less terrible this time? thanks. I will post my list in the morning. Going to let the posts rack up a bit more. I want to see others thoughts before I finalize it for day 1.
okay don't do the full list.
give me 3 most town people and 3 most mafia people. 1 sentence on why for each. that a good compromise?
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On June 18 2015 14:23 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:22 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 14:16 Breshke wrote:LS isn't even trying to convince me of his read on shockey or any other player which i feel he should think is more important than this. On June 18 2015 14:13 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 14:10 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 14:03 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 13:57 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 13:54 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 13:43 LightningStrike wrote:
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Because from the way I read it was like you calling him Rayn(Who is usually a jerk as scum) and we shouldn't really care about the smurf's aka as long they help us as town. Here is my problem: I never intended to put effort in smurf hunting by calling him Rayn. I do this everytime with smurfs. Your interpretation was a huge overreaction. But the biggest problem is not that you looked at me and said: "GB we shouldn't smurf hunt dude" if you really read me as town. My concern is that you just posted "WOW YOU'RE SMURF HUNTING THAT'S ODD" in such a way that you clearly was throwing suspicions at me. Why throwing suspicions like that on someone you think is town instead of simply SUGGESTING that I should not scum hunt? dude haven't i already told you to let this go -_- even if ls is scum this has no bearing on his alignment. stop quibbling over trivialities How come not? He saw an opportunity to discredit me and took it, even while townreading me. Tell me how a town would react this way. if he indeed was attempting to discredit you, sure xP but how do you know that's what he actually was doing? or how strong his townread on you is? do you never question townreads when they say something that looks weird to you? see why this doesn't matter yet? I wasn't trying to discredit you GB I was just finding it odd that's all ##Unvote
##Vote Lightningstrike The bolded is bull shit I actually been trying to convince you on my case but instead I facing a brick wall from everyone but it prob because everyone thing I a Mason with Damdred it just me and Damdred work well together -_-. Wait, you're masoned with Damdred or not? I thought I answered it clearly but apparently you can't read it but here a even clear answer: No I not masoned with Damdred.
Calm down. I've already dropped the suspicions on you. I do these kind of questions on purpose.
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On June 18 2015 14:25 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:17 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:06 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 14:01 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 13:55 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 13:52 ritoky wrote:
ugh i am in such a bad headspace right now. reading this thread making me angrier. why so angry? real life shit and LS' posting. i am about to say some fucking anti-town shit and i don't give a fuck. unless LS gets to a place where i can town read him for the remainder of the game today or there is slam dunk mafia i am probably voting on him. and i actually somewhat believe his blue claim is real. the problem is the guy keeps spewing anti-town sentiment every time he posts, seriously....he is going to be left alive all fucking game on this question mark of a claim and every phase we are gonna do the "whooaaaa should i lynch him today? dance" and it will probably cost town the fucking game. oh an if you're gonna fucking claim masons with damdred instead of your named VT shit, just do it. you're not subtle in the slightest. since you already claimed blue, if you don't do it now never gonna believe that shit. the state of this game angers me because i think the two people playing the most anti-town are likely town and we are in terrible trouble. ls and wbg if i recall correctly? eh turning off that rsoul persona y'all know and love -coughs- i understand your anger, ritoky. the reason i have so much trouble turning off the growl is nothing irritates me more than terrible arguments of nothing when i'm trying to solve a game...but there are always going to be bad players and bad plays and what it comes down to is if you actually think/believe these players are town you're gonna just have to let it go, you know? lol there's a reason my reads are like so much better on the big names...whether or not they're just being bad usually isn't in question work with me to find the scum? and while you're at it, if you have a townread on wbg, can you please explain it? his push on me...blah...and i just reread ksc and it's like how does anyone come up with scum from that? @.@ i don't get it when y'all are treating wbg like he's actually good (and i know he caught scum last game) alright let's find a scum case good enough to make me not vote on LS. who's your town, let's compare lists. lol >< you're catching me in the middle of my filter dives so i think this may change suddenly so bear with me :/ currently you, fidei and ksc are my top towns just got finished diving shockey and i dunnae...maybe you wouldn't mind taking a look at his filter? it doesn't actually seem that bad like the push on damdy was when damdy gave pretty paintbrush reads after being asked to substantiate them, which i think is fairly justified...plus you know, he posts an entire list of everyone and then criticizes damdy for 3...to me that seems like maybe he thinks posting lists like that is the right thing for town to do lol >< not a townread but i don't think i really want to lynch him today anymore
WAIT I'M NOT TOP THREE WTFFFFFFFF
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this is me being GENEROUS with my town circle
town: me, hf, nhm, ksc
town leans: rsoul, fid, bugs
super maybe town: GB and breshke
own category: LS
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On June 18 2015 14:21 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:21 Breshke wrote:On June 18 2015 14:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Breshke, why exactly you are reading shockey for? I assume this is meant to say town reading. I'm not. But he is LS's biggest scumread and instead of convincing me he is scum LS decides respond to random stuff that doesn't matter. And why do you need LS to convince YOU that SHOCKEY is scum?
He doesn't. But he was in the thread not doing anythign other than saying "im blue" so im trying to give him something we can talk about so I can advance my read on him other than his blue claim.
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honestly my fid read is really generous i just like him cuz he stroked my ego and agreed with me a ton.
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On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him.
oh i actually thought this was directed at rit lol ><
dude, you're going to have to get over the fact that i'm ridiculously involved in threads. there's a method to the madness, and maybe it's not the best for town i'll admit but it somehow works best for me and regardless scum kills me frequently enough that apparently they don't like it either
not really gonna change just cause people disapprove (especially since i doubt i can xP)
if you read my filter, really read it, you will find what everyone finds and namely that is there's a ton more content than meets the eye if all you've got is me and ls that's bad for you cause you're probably not lynching scum lol
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This should be the lynch list to discuss today:
- Lohengramm
- ShoCkeyy
- Fidei86
- Breshke
- Mig
- VayneAuthority
- boxerfred
Not in order.
Rsoultin and ritoky, is there anyone from here you don't want to lynch today?
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On June 18 2015 14:28 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:23 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 14:22 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 14:16 Breshke wrote:LS isn't even trying to convince me of his read on shockey or any other player which i feel he should think is more important than this. On June 18 2015 14:13 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 14:10 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 14:03 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 13:57 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 13:54 GlowingBear wrote:
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Here is my problem:
I never intended to put effort in smurf hunting by calling him Rayn. I do this everytime with smurfs.
Your interpretation was a huge overreaction.
But the biggest problem is not that you looked at me and said: "GB we shouldn't smurf hunt dude" if you really read me as town. My concern is that you just posted "WOW YOU'RE SMURF HUNTING THAT'S ODD" in such a way that you clearly was throwing suspicions at me.
Why throwing suspicions like that on someone you think is town instead of simply SUGGESTING that I should not scum hunt? dude haven't i already told you to let this go -_- even if ls is scum this has no bearing on his alignment. stop quibbling over trivialities How come not? He saw an opportunity to discredit me and took it, even while townreading me. Tell me how a town would react this way. if he indeed was attempting to discredit you, sure xP but how do you know that's what he actually was doing? or how strong his townread on you is? do you never question townreads when they say something that looks weird to you? see why this doesn't matter yet? I wasn't trying to discredit you GB I was just finding it odd that's all ##Unvote
##Vote Lightningstrike The bolded is bull shit I actually been trying to convince you on my case but instead I facing a brick wall from everyone but it prob because everyone thing I a Mason with Damdred it just me and Damdred work well together -_-. Wait, you're masoned with Damdred or not? I thought I answered it clearly but apparently you can't read it but here a even clear answer: No I not masoned with Damdred. Calm down. I've already dropped the suspicions on you. I do these kind of questions on purpose.
I just feel frustrated with how people are treating me.
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Alright chops 4, btw what did you think of my push against LS and his responses to me? Also thoughts on rsoul?
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On June 18 2015 14:32 GlowingBear wrote:
This should be the lynch list to discuss today:
- Lohengramm
- ShoCkeyy
- Fidei86
- Breshke
- Mig
- VayneAuthority
- boxerfred
Not in order.
Rsoultin and ritoky, is there anyone from here you don't want to lynch today?
the problem is that is a list of low post count/low hanging fruit in a lot of cases which means i am probably wrong somewhere, but w/e.
breshke and fid would be the last 2 i lynch on that list atm, but if a case was made that was good i could be convinced.
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On June 18 2015 14:32 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:28 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 14:23 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 14:22 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 14:16 Breshke wrote:LS isn't even trying to convince me of his read on shockey or any other player which i feel he should think is more important than this. On June 18 2015 14:13 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 14:10 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 14:03 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 13:57 rsoultin wrote:
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dude haven't i already told you to let this go -_-
even if ls is scum this has no bearing on his alignment. stop quibbling over trivialities How come not? He saw an opportunity to discredit me and took it, even while townreading me. Tell me how a town would react this way. if he indeed was attempting to discredit you, sure xP but how do you know that's what he actually was doing? or how strong his townread on you is? do you never question townreads when they say something that looks weird to you? see why this doesn't matter yet? I wasn't trying to discredit you GB I was just finding it odd that's all ##Unvote
##Vote Lightningstrike The bolded is bull shit I actually been trying to convince you on my case but instead I facing a brick wall from everyone but it prob because everyone thing I a Mason with Damdred it just me and Damdred work well together -_-. Wait, you're masoned with Damdred or not? I thought I answered it clearly but apparently you can't read it but here a even clear answer: No I not masoned with Damdred. Calm down. I've already dropped the suspicions on you. I do these kind of questions on purpose. I just feel frustrated with how people are treating me.
This is a game based on discussion and being suspicious of everybody. You're just not helping because you're doing suspicious things which is kinda invalidating your reads. Don't worry, tho. I may be WHARRGARBLing on you but I will protect you from harm on day1
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