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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 17 2015 22:29 GMT
#1201
On June 18 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 07:01 ritoky wrote:
so are we to assume that BM didn't confirm and the game just started cuz the host wanted to? w/e


no since hts said if he doesn't confirm that other guy on the replacement list will replace in his slot

so bill murray confirmed and then replaced

so bill murray confirmed received his role pm and quit

so bill murray was probably mafia

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 17 2015 22:30 GMT
#1202
would also lynch new guy <3
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 17 2015 22:30 GMT
#1203
On June 18 2015 07:20 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 07:11 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:07 ritoky wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:05 Damdred wrote:
So can we stop picking on LS before drastic things happen?!?

But seriously LS I got you bud, don't worry partner.


hey buddy, get in here:

[image loading]


It's a pocket but it's also an ass.

What are you trying to imply?

Now, ritoky, who should we lynch?


could be a breast pocket too, shouldn't assume things son.

i don't have a particularly clear mafia today if i am being honest. i am probably going to be more prone to sheep one of my town reads unless i find something solid i like.

i think the most anti-town players are LS and bugs; but they could both be town cuz of stupid claiming and effort respectively.


Why bugs is but rsoultin isn't?
I'm adorable.
Lohengramm
Profile Joined June 2015
43 Posts
June 17 2015 22:30 GMT
#1204
hi people

I have not read the thread

how is this game going?
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 17 2015 22:30 GMT
#1205
new guy is reading thread probably
Zerg for Life
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 17 2015 22:30 GMT
#1206
...whatever

Threads not fun to read at all and I was really looking forward to this game.

I'll probably just sheep Ritoky or HF when the time comes. Any questions for me just ask
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 17 2015 22:30 GMT
#1207
gb you gonna do anything?
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 17 2015 22:31 GMT
#1208
On June 18 2015 07:22 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:18 Holyflare wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:14 Holyflare wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:08 Holyflare wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Why vote the guy who just replaced in? Like seriously that is the stupidist thing you would do other than voting a blue in me as a named VT..........


ls tell me what i've done this game since i'm the only one of two of your scum reads




4th time i've had to quote the same question now

+

On June 18 2015 07:14 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:12 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:09 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:08 Holyflare wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Why vote the guy who just replaced in? Like seriously that is the stupidist thing you would do other than voting a blue in me as a named VT..........


ls tell me what i've done this game since i'm the only one of two of your scum reads


I following the rsoultin rule here where if you and her don't get along one of you is mafia I got rsoultin as town therefore you scum by that rule


yeh and as hf points out that is total stupid and arbitrary


You not seen the rule in effect before :o Check every game they been together and read their filters they regarding each other :o


i'm not going to do that

your scum reads are totally arbitrary , you throw this hf scum read totally out of nowhere..ALONGSIDE A BF SCUM READ.

WHICH YOU ONLY GOT AFTER READING MIG....

EVEN THOUGH HF IS THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT UP FIRST

YOU KNOW...THE OTHER GUY YOU SCUM READ>

but you probably didn't read that part either...like when you defended bf without reading him either.

holy shit why aren't there 13/14 votes on LS right now jesus christ.


Nothing except for going after Boxer that's all I remember from you and you been sidelining this game more than you normally do.


so despite you using the read of "when hf and rsoultin bicker one of them is mafia" you don't remember any of the talks between myself and rsoultin and can't make any judgement then using generic meta reads on people like your onegu "can't claim vt any more" and the bickering thing and defending bf as being new without reading any of his posts and trying to shut down an argument you now believe mig put forward??????

if you remember me going after boxer why the hell did you say mig said the stuff which made you read boxer when i've been writing that all day, you'd think you'd want to read someone you've been scum reading right?

Because I was lazy about reading filters because the thread was much more interesting ans only read filters when prompted by others. Will look at your filter when I get back from Pokemon/Smash to judge you on content only.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 17 2015 22:31 GMT
#1209
don't think for a second i missed your post about me
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 17 2015 22:32 GMT
#1210
On June 18 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 07:22 Holyflare wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:18 Holyflare wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:14 Holyflare wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:08 Holyflare wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Why vote the guy who just replaced in? Like seriously that is the stupidist thing you would do other than voting a blue in me as a named VT..........


ls tell me what i've done this game since i'm the only one of two of your scum reads




4th time i've had to quote the same question now

+

On June 18 2015 07:14 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:12 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:09 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:08 Holyflare wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
[quote]

ls tell me what i've done this game since i'm the only one of two of your scum reads


I following the rsoultin rule here where if you and her don't get along one of you is mafia I got rsoultin as town therefore you scum by that rule


yeh and as hf points out that is total stupid and arbitrary


You not seen the rule in effect before :o Check every game they been together and read their filters they regarding each other :o


i'm not going to do that

your scum reads are totally arbitrary , you throw this hf scum read totally out of nowhere..ALONGSIDE A BF SCUM READ.

WHICH YOU ONLY GOT AFTER READING MIG....

EVEN THOUGH HF IS THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT UP FIRST

YOU KNOW...THE OTHER GUY YOU SCUM READ>

but you probably didn't read that part either...like when you defended bf without reading him either.

holy shit why aren't there 13/14 votes on LS right now jesus christ.


Nothing except for going after Boxer that's all I remember from you and you been sidelining this game more than you normally do.


so despite you using the read of "when hf and rsoultin bicker one of them is mafia" you don't remember any of the talks between myself and rsoultin and can't make any judgement then using generic meta reads on people like your onegu "can't claim vt any more" and the bickering thing and defending bf as being new without reading any of his posts and trying to shut down an argument you now believe mig put forward??????

if you remember me going after boxer why the hell did you say mig said the stuff which made you read boxer when i've been writing that all day, you'd think you'd want to read someone you've been scum reading right?

Because I was lazy about reading filters because the thread was much more interesting ans only read filters when prompted by others. Will look at your filter when I get back from Pokemon/Smash to judge you on content only.


i've been super prominent in the thread lol??

whatever you do your thing and get back to me
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 17 2015 22:34 GMT
#1211
On June 18 2015 07:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 07:20 ritoky wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:11 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:07 ritoky wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:05 Damdred wrote:
So can we stop picking on LS before drastic things happen?!?

But seriously LS I got you bud, don't worry partner.


hey buddy, get in here:

[image loading]


It's a pocket but it's also an ass.

What are you trying to imply?

Now, ritoky, who should we lynch?


could be a breast pocket too, shouldn't assume things son.

i don't have a particularly clear mafia today if i am being honest. i am probably going to be more prone to sheep one of my town reads unless i find something solid i like.

i think the most anti-town players are LS and bugs; but they could both be town cuz of stupid claiming and effort respectively.


Why bugs is but rsoultin isn't?


because rsoul went like: doing stuff doing stuff SHIT FIGHT RAWR doing stuff doing stuff
and bugs went like: SHIT FIGHT KELS SHIT FIGHT RSOUL SHIT FIGHT KELS AGAIN RAWWWWWWRRRR plus he doesn't seem very capable of looking at other povs so far.

plus rsoul has the largest filter so she is 92% likely to be town.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 17 2015 22:34 GMT
#1212
On June 18 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
I actually think Fiede is mafia here guys and is a really good vote today.

If you look at his filter and compare it to HG which just finished a lot of the things he talks about in that game are really fluid and confrontational at parts trying to figure out the truth on players or get his view points into the thread. Also when he doesn't like what players are doing he is going to get into their face.

Look at what hes doing here, hes really not trying to rock the boat overall. He is trying to pocket/buddy up to people and is being noncommittal and not really following much up at this point or talking about anything worth while.

I'm pretty sure this guy is mafia.


this isn't bad.
Zerg for Life
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 17 2015 22:35 GMT
#1213
On June 18 2015 07:30 Damdred wrote:
...whatever

Threads not fun to read at all and I was really looking forward to this game.

I'll probably just sheep Ritoky or HF when the time comes. Any questions for me just ask


daaaamdy talk to me about your other scumread(s) yeah?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 17 2015 22:36 GMT
#1214
On June 18 2015 07:30 Holyflare wrote:
gb you gonna do anything?


valid

damdy, you still townreading gb?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 17 2015 22:37 GMT
#1215
yo HF, gimme yo read on me? you still fencing me cuz of mind melds?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 17 2015 22:38 GMT
#1216
@damdy i'm curious what you think about breshke at this point.
Zerg for Life
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 17 2015 22:38 GMT
#1217
@Damdred This is not really an excuse, but I want to talk a bit about how I've played this game so far. HG in total went for 120 pages, all the way to the end. A couple of people were generally inactive over the first couple of days, so the post count was manageable. Towards EOD2 I actually did a complete re-read of the entire game, which was only something like 60 pages (and therefore totally do-able). This time, we've made it to that in a single day. This is only my second game of forum mafia ever and I just am not quite sure what to do with this much content. I can't get a read on anyone because everyone already has six or seven pages of filter and everyone has also just been BMing each other, or making single-line posts which make no sense when you read them as part of a filter. Plus most of the players here are people who weren't in HG, so I have no idea what to look for in them. Right now, I'm just hoping that things settle down a little so I can start to get a grip on everything. If you look back over my filter in HG, I think you'll see that I spent the first day literally deer in headlights. I feel that way again, except even more so. That is how I feel right now. I admit, I'm really not much of an asset to the town because I don't have any strong reads at all. I have read every single page of the forum, on my phone and at work, but it's just moving too quickly for me.

In terms of people who were in HG, I think it's fairly well established that NHM has either undergone a character transplant in the last 24 hours, or has rolled town this game. The difference is night and day. Ritoky looks like the same as he was before - he mostly posted commentary on other people's posts last time, and it got more substantive towards the end of D1. IE, I don't think he has done much that is alignment-indicative yet, but the next day or so will be helpful. You seem similar to last game as well, but I don't give that too much credit because I hated how you played on D1 and D2 and D3 (obviously D4 you rocked pretty hard). That's not a pocket - I'm not giving you a town read, you're just clearly an experienced player and meta reads probably won't take me too far with you ("I shit on my meta", etc). But going straight into this game after the last one is quite a big thing - I'd just got used to reading you based on a certain set of interactions, and now I have to throw them all away.

The reason for posting all this is that I'm acutely self-conscious at how I've played so far. I really want to contribute. I've got an hour or so this evening and I'm going to try and re-read some stuff and give some reads or at least post some useful thoughts. But please don't scum read me for genuinely being over-awed.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 17 2015 22:39 GMT
#1218
On June 18 2015 07:30 Holyflare wrote:
gb you gonna do anything?


Not now

I kinda don't feel like reading the game

Will do something later
I'm adorable.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 17 2015 22:39 GMT
#1219
On June 18 2015 07:38 Fidei86 wrote:
@Damdred This is not really an excuse, but I want to talk a bit about how I've played this game so far. HG in total went for 120 pages, all the way to the end. A couple of people were generally inactive over the first couple of days, so the post count was manageable. Towards EOD2 I actually did a complete re-read of the entire game, which was only something like 60 pages (and therefore totally do-able). This time, we've made it to that in a single day. This is only my second game of forum mafia ever and I just am not quite sure what to do with this much content. I can't get a read on anyone because everyone already has six or seven pages of filter and everyone has also just been BMing each other, or making single-line posts which make no sense when you read them as part of a filter. Plus most of the players here are people who weren't in HG, so I have no idea what to look for in them. Right now, I'm just hoping that things settle down a little so I can start to get a grip on everything. If you look back over my filter in HG, I think you'll see that I spent the first day literally deer in headlights. I feel that way again, except even more so. That is how I feel right now. I admit, I'm really not much of an asset to the town because I don't have any strong reads at all. I have read every single page of the forum, on my phone and at work, but it's just moving too quickly for me.

In terms of people who were in HG, I think it's fairly well established that NHM has either undergone a character transplant in the last 24 hours, or has rolled town this game. The difference is night and day. Ritoky looks like the same as he was before - he mostly posted commentary on other people's posts last time, and it got more substantive towards the end of D1. IE, I don't think he has done much that is alignment-indicative yet, but the next day or so will be helpful. You seem similar to last game as well, but I don't give that too much credit because I hated how you played on D1 and D2 and D3 (obviously D4 you rocked pretty hard). That's not a pocket - I'm not giving you a town read, you're just clearly an experienced player and meta reads probably won't take me too far with you ("I shit on my meta", etc). But going straight into this game after the last one is quite a big thing - I'd just got used to reading you based on a certain set of interactions, and now I have to throw them all away.

The reason for posting all this is that I'm acutely self-conscious at how I've played so far. I really want to contribute. I've got an hour or so this evening and I'm going to try and re-read some stuff and give some reads or at least post some useful thoughts. But please don't scum read me for genuinely being over-awed.


you probably could have read several filters in the time it took you to waffle this out
Zerg for Life
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 17 2015 22:41 GMT
#1220
On June 18 2015 07:37 ritoky wrote:
yo HF, gimme yo read on me? you still fencing me cuz of mind melds?


not put much thought into it really since my hedging you made some weird read on damd/gb and defended ls and that's about it so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ for now
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