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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 30 2015 20:56 GMT
#4741
On July 01 2015 05:55 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2015 05:53 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:45 Holyflare wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:41 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:37 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:32 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:20 ShoCkeyy wrote:
LS if you're not mafia, then why vote for me? You still haven't given a good reason why to vote for me? All you're doing is voting for a town. You vote for me and it's an auto lose. Why not vote for obvious mafia unless you're mafia too?

I sheeping the dead plus rux's case pretty much summed what I had thought of you throughout the game. If you're town I sorry that you get lynched but if you're scum at least I can still win since I'm Town.


So you're following others because you can't form your own opinion? Good job. Now I know to never play with you again. Thanks, you're terrible at this game unless you're mafia, then you're not that bad by playing dumb the whole game.

I had already you were Mafia beforehand? Look rux pretty much summed up what I had said about you and sometimes I look at the dead for reasons why they could be NK'd since it's LYLO and we didn't have a clear lynch. Ofc they all had scumread you the night they died I know it's WIFOM but it all matches up to you.


Dude you posted reasons for shockeyy not to be mafia a million times about how his past games were completely different and you've just afk'd the entire game basically and sheeped other people's opinions. Did you even read my case on onegu just now? YOu KNOW how awful it is to sheep dead people too and if you did want to do that all of the dead people in this game said that onegu could be mafia.

Ugh I said I couldn't tell on meta? I already had checked his past games I came to a conclusion that I couldn't tell a difference between his scum play and Town play on posts alone -_-. Also the ones who were NK'd were mixed on Onegu some said he was town some said he was scum.


keslier said he was scummy, breshke said he didn't know but onegu's town read on gb was weird,bugs scum read him, rsoultin did too, va did, ritoky didn't say anything



Rsoul said I might be scum. She did say you WERE scum though.
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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 30 2015 20:57 GMT
#4742
Day 5 Vote Count


ShoCkeyy (4): LightningStrike, NydusHerMain, Fidei86, ruXxar
Onegu (1): ruXxar, Holyflare
Holyflare (1): ruXxar, Fidei86, NydusHerMain, Onegu
ruXxar (0): Onegu

Not voted (2): Damdred, ShoCkeyy

Clinging to the ledge, ShoCkeyy hangs over the abyss.
Day 5 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).

The voting thread is here.

Only votes in the voting thread will be counted.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2015 20:58 GMT
#4743
On July 01 2015 05:56 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2015 05:55 Holyflare wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:53 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:45 Holyflare wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:41 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:37 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:32 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:20 ShoCkeyy wrote:
LS if you're not mafia, then why vote for me? You still haven't given a good reason why to vote for me? All you're doing is voting for a town. You vote for me and it's an auto lose. Why not vote for obvious mafia unless you're mafia too?

I sheeping the dead plus rux's case pretty much summed what I had thought of you throughout the game. If you're town I sorry that you get lynched but if you're scum at least I can still win since I'm Town.


So you're following others because you can't form your own opinion? Good job. Now I know to never play with you again. Thanks, you're terrible at this game unless you're mafia, then you're not that bad by playing dumb the whole game.

I had already you were Mafia beforehand? Look rux pretty much summed up what I had said about you and sometimes I look at the dead for reasons why they could be NK'd since it's LYLO and we didn't have a clear lynch. Ofc they all had scumread you the night they died I know it's WIFOM but it all matches up to you.


Dude you posted reasons for shockeyy not to be mafia a million times about how his past games were completely different and you've just afk'd the entire game basically and sheeped other people's opinions. Did you even read my case on onegu just now? YOu KNOW how awful it is to sheep dead people too and if you did want to do that all of the dead people in this game said that onegu could be mafia.

Ugh I said I couldn't tell on meta? I already had checked his past games I came to a conclusion that I couldn't tell a difference between his scum play and Town play on posts alone -_-. Also the ones who were NK'd were mixed on Onegu some said he was town some said he was scum.


keslier said he was scummy, breshke said he didn't know but onegu's town read on gb was weird,bugs scum read him, rsoultin did too, va did, ritoky didn't say anything



Rsoul said I might be scum. She did say you WERE scum though.


no she didn't you haven't read the game, she called me town the ENTIRE game until i disagreed with her last night, it's just stubborn omgus
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 30 2015 20:58 GMT
#4744
On July 01 2015 05:58 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2015 05:56 Onegu wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:55 Holyflare wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:53 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:45 Holyflare wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:41 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:37 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:32 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:20 ShoCkeyy wrote:
LS if you're not mafia, then why vote for me? You still haven't given a good reason why to vote for me? All you're doing is voting for a town. You vote for me and it's an auto lose. Why not vote for obvious mafia unless you're mafia too?

I sheeping the dead plus rux's case pretty much summed what I had thought of you throughout the game. If you're town I sorry that you get lynched but if you're scum at least I can still win since I'm Town.


So you're following others because you can't form your own opinion? Good job. Now I know to never play with you again. Thanks, you're terrible at this game unless you're mafia, then you're not that bad by playing dumb the whole game.

I had already you were Mafia beforehand? Look rux pretty much summed up what I had said about you and sometimes I look at the dead for reasons why they could be NK'd since it's LYLO and we didn't have a clear lynch. Ofc they all had scumread you the night they died I know it's WIFOM but it all matches up to you.


Dude you posted reasons for shockeyy not to be mafia a million times about how his past games were completely different and you've just afk'd the entire game basically and sheeped other people's opinions. Did you even read my case on onegu just now? YOu KNOW how awful it is to sheep dead people too and if you did want to do that all of the dead people in this game said that onegu could be mafia.

Ugh I said I couldn't tell on meta? I already had checked his past games I came to a conclusion that I couldn't tell a difference between his scum play and Town play on posts alone -_-. Also the ones who were NK'd were mixed on Onegu some said he was town some said he was scum.


keslier said he was scummy, breshke said he didn't know but onegu's town read on gb was weird,bugs scum read him, rsoultin did too, va did, ritoky didn't say anything



Rsoul said I might be scum. She did say you WERE scum though.


no she didn't you haven't read the game, she called me town the ENTIRE game until i disagreed with her last night, it's just stubborn omgus


Or is it?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 30 2015 21:04 GMT
#4745
On July 01 2015 05:55 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2015 05:53 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:45 Holyflare wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:41 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:37 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:32 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:20 ShoCkeyy wrote:
LS if you're not mafia, then why vote for me? You still haven't given a good reason why to vote for me? All you're doing is voting for a town. You vote for me and it's an auto lose. Why not vote for obvious mafia unless you're mafia too?

I sheeping the dead plus rux's case pretty much summed what I had thought of you throughout the game. If you're town I sorry that you get lynched but if you're scum at least I can still win since I'm Town.


So you're following others because you can't form your own opinion? Good job. Now I know to never play with you again. Thanks, you're terrible at this game unless you're mafia, then you're not that bad by playing dumb the whole game.

I had already you were Mafia beforehand? Look rux pretty much summed up what I had said about you and sometimes I look at the dead for reasons why they could be NK'd since it's LYLO and we didn't have a clear lynch. Ofc they all had scumread you the night they died I know it's WIFOM but it all matches up to you.


Dude you posted reasons for shockeyy not to be mafia a million times about how his past games were completely different and you've just afk'd the entire game basically and sheeped other people's opinions. Did you even read my case on onegu just now? YOu KNOW how awful it is to sheep dead people too and if you did want to do that all of the dead people in this game said that onegu could be mafia.

Ugh I said I couldn't tell on meta? I already had checked his past games I came to a conclusion that I couldn't tell a difference between his scum play and Town play on posts alone -_-. Also the ones who were NK'd were mixed on Onegu some said he was town some said he was scum.


keslier said he was scummy, breshke said he didn't know but onegu's town read on gb was weird,bugs scum read him, rsoultin did too, va did, ritoky didn't say anything

I think rsoultin had him as poe though not anything else as this quote seems to implicate:
On June 26 2015 03:15 rsoultin wrote:
anyway i'm at

mig/ruxx/hf/shockey <- post-game cred

outside chance of oneg

mig, ruxx, hf almost definitely scum...if i'm not here tomorrow and y'all don't lynch mig -_- well, there's not much i can do about it but you should be feeling my DISPLEASURE beating on all your heads the WHOLE TIME lol ><
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 30 2015 21:06 GMT
#4746
On July 01 2015 06:04 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2015 05:55 Holyflare wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:53 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:45 Holyflare wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:41 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:37 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:32 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:20 ShoCkeyy wrote:
LS if you're not mafia, then why vote for me? You still haven't given a good reason why to vote for me? All you're doing is voting for a town. You vote for me and it's an auto lose. Why not vote for obvious mafia unless you're mafia too?

I sheeping the dead plus rux's case pretty much summed what I had thought of you throughout the game. If you're town I sorry that you get lynched but if you're scum at least I can still win since I'm Town.


So you're following others because you can't form your own opinion? Good job. Now I know to never play with you again. Thanks, you're terrible at this game unless you're mafia, then you're not that bad by playing dumb the whole game.

I had already you were Mafia beforehand? Look rux pretty much summed up what I had said about you and sometimes I look at the dead for reasons why they could be NK'd since it's LYLO and we didn't have a clear lynch. Ofc they all had scumread you the night they died I know it's WIFOM but it all matches up to you.


Dude you posted reasons for shockeyy not to be mafia a million times about how his past games were completely different and you've just afk'd the entire game basically and sheeped other people's opinions. Did you even read my case on onegu just now? YOu KNOW how awful it is to sheep dead people too and if you did want to do that all of the dead people in this game said that onegu could be mafia.

Ugh I said I couldn't tell on meta? I already had checked his past games I came to a conclusion that I couldn't tell a difference between his scum play and Town play on posts alone -_-. Also the ones who were NK'd were mixed on Onegu some said he was town some said he was scum.


keslier said he was scummy, breshke said he didn't know but onegu's town read on gb was weird,bugs scum read him, rsoultin did too, va did, ritoky didn't say anything

I think rsoultin had him as poe though not anything else as this quote seems to implicate:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2015 03:15 rsoultin wrote:
anyway i'm at

mig/ruxx/hf/shockey <- post-game cred

outside chance of oneg

mig, ruxx, hf almost definitely scum...if i'm not here tomorrow and y'all don't lynch mig -_- well, there's not much i can do about it but you should be feeling my DISPLEASURE beating on all your heads the WHOLE TIME lol ><

Or least said it was a outside chance still.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 30 2015 21:06 GMT
#4747
LS VOTE HF
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 30 2015 21:07 GMT
#4748
People move your votes so the rest have to do so also
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 30 2015 21:10 GMT
#4749
People?
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2015 21:10 GMT
#4750
Yes, onegu has done nothing gets rightfully scum read and then asks to switch to the person he's town read all day right at lylo. OK.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 30 2015 21:10 GMT
#4751
I summon you all to the voting thread
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 30 2015 21:11 GMT
#4752
On July 01 2015 06:10 Holyflare wrote:
Yes, onegu has done nothing gets rightfully scum read and then asks to switch to the person he's town read all day right at lylo. OK.



Get Rekt HF
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 30 2015 21:12 GMT
#4753
360 noscope headshot
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 30 2015 21:12 GMT
#4754
MLG
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 30 2015 21:13 GMT
#4755
On July 01 2015 06:12 Onegu wrote:
MLG

You forgot Doritos lol
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 30 2015 21:13 GMT
#4756
On July 01 2015 06:13 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2015 06:12 Onegu wrote:
MLG

You forgot Doritos lol

And Mountain Dew
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
June 30 2015 21:14 GMT
#4757
On July 01 2015 05:44 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2015 05:43 Holyflare wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:39 Onegu wrote:
Not guardians, but Carnival.


because the mafia gave themselves away with a shit vote count



Onegu caught the entire scum team in both games. Onegu caught 2/3 of scum team in Witchcraft. Onegu caught entire scum team in this game.


I thought bugs caught the entire team in witchcraft wtf?
Life?
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 30 2015 21:14 GMT
#4758
On July 01 2015 06:14 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2015 05:44 Onegu wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:43 Holyflare wrote:
On July 01 2015 05:39 Onegu wrote:
Not guardians, but Carnival.


because the mafia gave themselves away with a shit vote count



Onegu caught the entire scum team in both games. Onegu caught 2/3 of scum team in Witchcraft. Onegu caught entire scum team in this game.


I thought bugs caught the entire team in witchcraft wtf?



I was right on 2/3 of the scum team
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 30 2015 21:17 GMT
#4759
Why arent people on HF yet?
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2015 21:18 GMT
#4760
yup onegu trying to claim things that have no relevance to this game and answers absolutely nothing about his inconsistencies
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