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On June 21 2015 10:36 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2015 10:24 rsoultin wrote:On June 21 2015 10:19 ritoky wrote:On June 21 2015 10:08 rsoultin wrote:On June 21 2015 10:01 ritoky wrote:On June 21 2015 09:55 rsoultin wrote:On June 21 2015 09:45 ritoky wrote:
i made dinner. it is yummy.
i still want to lynch shockeyy lol over mig and gb...or even like yama/va/oneg? like ritoky what do you think was going on with the vote yesterday? why all the strange votes going against reads? hm? you criticize me for wanting to lynch mig and not gb, but how does mig's vote make sense from any perspective? mig's play was weird. yama's was weird shockey's was too to some extent cause of that weird 10 min switch thingy but how is it more weird than the other two? like seriously you seem to be townreading gb? so what makes shockey the scummiest of the bunch? mig responded to my criticisms and it made me want to lynch him less than i did before. plus lynching GB seems better than lynching mig because in my mind the literal only way he is mafia is if GB is mafia...lynching mig just seems like the inherently worse play lynching into that world. and what of yama/va/onegu/damdred? they're all not really playing and coinflips at this point. lynching into coinflips when you have scum cases is kinda meh. eh well your criticisms weren't amazing in all truth, but he certainly hasn't responded to big scumread on gb sudden switch to bf who he only mentioned a passing suspicion on beforehand well i'm lynching gb. he's more likely to flip scum than shockey pretty sure it's something to do with how he defends himself when he's scum vs. town...plus and i know this is only a small sample size...he was pretty adamant on low-hanging fruit in got as well when as town he'll go for the big boys and not give a fuck...now he's going after hf but that's in response to the push and a pretty bad "you fake-claimed mason must be mafia" thing lol >< give me better ones. you said you were going to when you were at a comp better ones? already have lol wasn't your criticism that he said ls might be town for a post after making a case against him? -shrugs- the whole he's been fucking reading gb as scum, built a case on him, yada yada only mentioned a passing suspicion on bf then suddenly lynched him out of the blue is a much better criticism or are you arguing that? you said he is probably mafia regardless of GB flipping scum earlier. why, if his voting shit is why he is scum?
rit, how many goddamn times do i have to say that the reason i started considering my read on GB could be wrong was because of my other scumreads?
like you can harp on that all day if you want, but it's not going to get you another answer because there isn't one
in no world do you have a choice between your top scumread and some vague suspicion then switch off your top scumread over the vague suspicion not posting
how is this not getting through your skull?
like...lol >< this is actually kinda funny cause i did this with slam thinking it could give me a read on palmar in that game you were scum and that was fucking retarded as shit, so i guess it's possible for town to do but only when they're being fucking retarded as shit xP way more likely he's not pulling a let's be a fucking retarded rsoul (given he hasn't even shown his face since) and is just plain scum
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like what do you even think you're accomplishing by pointing out that mig being scum makes it more likely that gb is scum, huh?
TELL ME HOW THE VOTE CHANGE WAS TOWNIE RIT
seriously. do that. what was townie about it? what makes sense about it?
you just want to hold onto the fact that i was scumreading mig and saying gb could still be town (which technically is possible but not likely) but you're not saying why i'm wrong on mig, so what gives?
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i'm gonna be frank with you right now, rit
it's honesty time with rsoul
if gb flips scum, and we lynch mig next
i will
be pushing
your lynch
for this shit you're pulling right now, unless you give me a very good reason you're pulling the ignorant fool card. keep on harping on me for having a scumread on a player acting scummy with his voting and not immediately jumping to an associative scumread on the player that vote probably was protecting
that you insist on ONLY focusing on that is really, really off-putting, you know that? that you don't get that someone could go damn that's a scummy ass vote we should lynch the dude, and want to see their flip BEFORE drawing associative reads is a little mind-boggling to me
especially when RIGHT IN MY FUCKING READS LIST
i had gb saying i think he's town but all the evidence points toward scum
you are focusing on something insignificant while avoiding reading mig and gb, so if you're town i hope they're not scum for your sake, or you explain your damn reasoning pretty solidly here
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lol
thanks for the summary hf >< lol
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 yeah
i feel like i'm mostly playing with myself, and not in the fun way
oh well lol
i'm done ranting at rit now ^^
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Lol dude i'm getting a lot of flak from multiple sources for something I feel i've explained quite thoroughly
Am I speaking swahili hf? Do you get why my read changed?
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Apparently I am speaking swahili damn it play I guess it's a fair question then
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Okay, for all you people who apparently include hf who don't read the rsoul language
Association made me question my read on gb, yes, but i kept on coming back to thinking he was town based on some tonal things that were absent in his last scumgame where he smurfed
It bugged me, though, cause there were a lot of scummy things going on with the votes surrounding the day one lynch. If you read my lists post, what i was doing was taking a look at people's voting pattern vice where their reads stood and basically judging how realistic it was that they ended up voting where they did. i've done this before with a fair amount of success and it doesn't actually require me to know the alignment of the wagon(s) that hasn't/haven't flipped
most of those "this voting looks fishy" reads surrounded votes on bf that saved gb...or lack of votes. i still thought my toneread was right because i caught him as scum (which no you can't verify) in the game he just smurfed in solely by looking at his filter for a few minutes using that same toneread
hf mentioned game of thrones, however. i wanted to see this shitfight he referred to, cause all the evidence was suggesting my toneread was wrong
not only does glowingbear's filter bounce around similarly to how it is here (negating my toneread entirely) but it also did a few things that made me feel uneasy
1) it focused on scummy lurkers, same as here - i've seen gb go after hf and marv d1 fuck the consequences, so he's not one of those let's play d1 safe kind of players; he goes for whoever he's scumreading and doesn't give a shit
2) this reminded me (yes i have a brain like this) that his defense in mafia mini mafia ALSO focused a lot on the WHY would i do this as scum defense rather than how he treated my case on him in carol, which was basically "not gonna read that shit cause it's all wrong since i'm town" <- marv actually criticized the whole "why would scum do this" line of reasoning/defense in obs in mafia mini mafia2 which is why it stuck in my head
so basically i'm scumreading him for four reasons if we get right down to it:
1. my initial toneread is demonstrably wrong given game of thrones
2. the lurker thing is eerily similar
3. how he is defending himself this game
4. the fact that the lynch really doesn't make much sense if he's town, which is why i put the legwork in to see if maybe my read was just wrong in the first place
does everyone get it now? if you read my filter all of these things were mentioned but probably not explained thoroughly cause i tend to lol...i dunnae post like i think rather than be particularly explanatory
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On June 21 2015 16:32 Mig wrote:Hi I am here, regarding my reasons for voting bf I was in a tourney and trying to catch up on 30 pages in the last 2 hours on my phone in between hands. I didn't have the time to look up past games for gb. I asked for examples of GB doing the caps lock thing as town (which nobody provided), I asked boxer and gb both questions. Gb answered them and boxer ignored them. I ended up just going with my gut based on boxer's return looking super shady/him promising content and never producing/ignoring me, Gb was at least trying and I would have felt like a retard if I lynched him over a mafia bf and the caps lock thing ended up being bs. It makes literally no sense for me not to vote Gb if I were mafia.
1) If me and Gb were mafia team mates I would have just bussed him for town cred, lynch was super close and I made the first case against him. Why wouldn't I just try to hammer him for even more town cred instead of drawing attention to myself?
2) If Gb were town again why would I vote bf over him? Why draw attention to myself when nobody would even bat an eye if I voted gb? I have been playing a tournament every single day since the game has started. If I were mafia I would be doing whatever I could to fly under the radar. Instead of actually asking questions in the thread 10 min before lynch while on my phone in a tourney I could have just voted gb 6 hours before and afkd So yea you can believe it or not but I voted who I thought was most likely to be mafia simple as that. Anyway I went back and looked through Gb's past games and found these posts when he was mislynched as a townie in hammertime mafia + Show Spoiler +On February 01 2015 11:34 GlowingBear wrote:
OH GOD I WAS RIGHT SINCE DAY ONE
FUCK YOU ALL
I'M SO FUCKING ANGRY WITH YOU
HOW COULD YOU FUCKING INSTA VOTE ON LYLO?
HOW COULD YOU FUCKING HAMMER PALMAR WITHOUT NO READS AT HIM AND WHILE TWO OF YOUR SCUMREADS (ONEGU AND ME) WERE VOTING HIM
WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU THINKING LIAN?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH On January 31 2015 01:33 GlowingBear wrote:
Dude those were TWO QUOTES.
TWO QUOTES.
SHOW ME ANY EFFORT YOU'VE PUT INTO BRINGING ATTENTION TO YOUR LATE CASE ON ME.
PALMAR SAYS WHARRGARBL LYNCH TOAD
WHAT DO YOU DO?
KEEP SILENT.
YOU DON'T SAY "HEY LOOK AT MY CASE AND GIVE THOUGHTS"
ARGH On January 31 2015 01:33 GlowingBear wrote:
Dude those were TWO QUOTES.
TWO QUOTES.
SHOW ME ANY EFFORT YOU'VE PUT INTO BRINGING ATTENTION TO YOUR LATE CASE ON ME.
PALMAR SAYS WHARRGARBL LYNCH TOAD
WHAT DO YOU DO?
KEEP SILENT.
YOU DON'T SAY "HEY LOOK AT MY CASE AND GIVE THOUGHTS"
ARGH So the caps lock thing was bs, and it does look to me like Gb is actually trying to solve the game. He could have kept his read on me as mafia (especially with rsoul accusing me) but instead tried to look at it from the viewpoint that I could be town. I don't really see the mafia motivation behind it. The suspicion of me for all of this makes me really wary of rsoul. You are voting to lynch Gb now (who you have been adamant the entire game is town) simply based on the fact that you think I am mafia???? Rsoul I have just come back from a 1.5 year break and only played 1 game, have you even bothered to read that one game to compare it to this one? Or are you too busy posting 22 pages worth of filter to actually try and find scum? You seem like a smart person I find it really weird that you can't see any possible reasoning for why I would vote like I did as a townie, and now you are lynching your town read because you are so 100% sure I am mafia (yet I am pretty confident you havent even read any of my past games). Seems shady as shit.
yes the caps lock thing is bs
yes you were told the caps lock thing is bs
no, no one posted a link
yes you had more than just that reason to think gb was scum
and most particularly that whole line of bolded reasoning is well and good assuming that you were scum playing to survive and not to protect a scum buddy, so kindly can the wifom. i'm not buying
apparently you're not around to read the game. pushing the fidei bit or damdy's read change is not going to get you anywhere. pushing me is definitely not going to get you anywhere
why is gb town? he caps locks as both alignments, so i'm not interested in that line of reasoning, either
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just as an fyi, if i'm scumreading the TWO of you, him not pushing you doesn't really carry that much weight with me xP can't imagine why xP
this also happened AFTER the lynch
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@mig
i see your questions you asked them, and i'll grant you that it's possible you could have just gotten cold feet as town when bf disappeared...though for someone as...apparently logical as you an emotional/gut reaction of that nature seems odd. no, i don't know you, and no i really had no interest in looking at your last game when it was the voting i found scummy
(also not sure why you'd even think that's relevant...i wasn't criticizing an element of your overall play, now was i?)
so, i'm going to talk to you like you're town since i'd rather lynch gb today
damdy could be scum based on lack of activity, i agree...he falls off like this occasionally as both alignments but it happens more frequently when he's scum. i still kinda think he's town, though...one reason is i doubt he blows his metaread on me in a scum game...i'm one of the more adaptable scum players on the site
yama definitely could be scum. if gb is scum that lovely gb/bm FUCK THIS I'M REPLACING wifom is actually fairly possible, tbh, but more just yama isn't playing like his townie self anyway and just came out of a scum game so it wouldn't surprise me if his motivation were low
lol if you get anything worthwhile out of my scum games, i'd actually be curious xP but you probably shouldn't tell me
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On June 22 2015 01:42 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh rsoul, basically association :p
(did forget you read the tone thing that i pointed out a million times)
lol ;o; fine, fine
i feel so oversimplified by you people xP
eh yeah i dunnae about "so town" or whatever but i don't think we should lynch shockey over like a handful of other players so i'm not sure why this push, frankly
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On June 22 2015 02:12 Holyflare wrote:
Shockeyy speaks to me on a deeper level.
i was gonna make a joke about electroshock therapy but lol >< it's way more funny in my head than when i type it out, so...
[insert super hilarious electroshock therapy joke here]
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apparently he's not terribly interested in why i'm scumreading him, either lol ><
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dude, i'd like to say i didn't know officers like that...i really really would lol ><
my own supervisor (not an officer) was not particularly lazy, but he was so scattered it was hilarious. we're about to lose half our team right? myself included? and at the risk of sounding arrogant, the half of the team that was the most productive and the least likely to make mistakes...
so he decides that is the perfect time to take on a project meant for a team 5x our size. like a good little nco i settle for just giving him that are you kidding me half-smile while he takes on the world...then when our boss walks off look straight at him and go "you realize we can't keep up with what we've got and you're losing [insert names here] before the month is out?"
and he just gives me this little guilty smile and says "but you guys can do it, right?"
me: -_-
lol
yes that's a complete digression and i don't care
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On June 22 2015 02:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 02:27 rsoultin wrote:
apparently he's not terribly interested in why i'm scumreading him, either lol >< I've skimmed your big post. Your read is based on association. But you're assuming someone is Mafia and, therefore, I'm Mafia? Because if it's that, your vote doesn't make sense. If you're making association, you attack the root, not the consequence. In other words, you vote the voter. If the voter is town, your theory will be already wrong. But as I read shockey as probably town, I can't advise you against this. I've already said A LOT that considering your read only on EoD voting is wifom. Very weak. I don't think that reestating that incessantly will change your mindo
lol
no, my RECONSIDERATION of my read is based on association, which is why i'm irritated by the oversimplification y'all are using
my ACTUAL read is based on the fact that game of thrones negates my tone read and you are acting like you have in your prior scumgames, up to and including how you defend yourself while being scumread
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On June 22 2015 02:56 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 02:42 rsoultin wrote:On June 22 2015 02:37 GlowingBear wrote:On June 22 2015 02:27 rsoultin wrote:
apparently he's not terribly interested in why i'm scumreading him, either lol >< I've skimmed your big post. Your read is based on association. But you're assuming someone is Mafia and, therefore, I'm Mafia? Because if it's that, your vote doesn't make sense. If you're making association, you attack the root, not the consequence. In other words, you vote the voter. If the voter is town, your theory will be already wrong. But as I read shockey as probably town, I can't advise you against this. I've already said A LOT that considering your read only on EoD voting is wifom. Very weak. I don't think that reestating that incessantly will change your mindo lol no, my RECONSIDERATION of my read is based on association, which is why i'm irritated by the oversimplification y'all are using my ACTUAL read is based on the fact that game of thrones negates my tone read and you are acting like you have in your prior scumgames, up to and including how you defend yourself while being scumread A lot has happened since Game of Thrones and you know it. Your ability to read me got better. Anyway, I'm not acting anywhere close to my scum games. The biggest difference is in filter length and reads. Like, even I can see it. The only way to scum read with this information, is to believing I can fake it as scum. And if you think so, I'm flattered
i wasn't even in game of thrones?
like, my read is based on how you respond to scumreads and the pussy-like play you had d1. tone was my reason for townreading you, this thing you do when you bounce around...but if you could do that in your game of thrones game you expect me to believe that you can't now? you've somehow gotten WORSE at scum as time goes on? lol okay sure gb. all that's left is reasons to scumread you, man
also, care to explain why you were sheeping the initial shit-ass vote on me, gb? this whole, i don't even bother to read her but trust her read on damdy and myself thing WAS weird, especially when you decided to vote me anyway
kinda goes against your whole stated strategy of ignoring the largest filters for the first day, yeah? like you basically just sheeped their shit reasons for scumreading me
bugs: her reason for an early toneread wasn't good enough! \o/
hf: she's scumreading me on meta but i've done this before therefore must be scum! \o/
both pretty shit reasons, so why did you like them and why did you say my tonereads are "right" as either alignment? you think i never push mislynches as scum? that's hilarious
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On June 22 2015 03:07 Onegu wrote:
Like how LS asks someone who doesnt know me to check my filter and give his thoughts when everyone who has never played with would scum read me... LS know this. Also RuXxar is like trying to make people look better or worse than what they actually are.
ls is town, almost 99% sure on that
ruxxar...eh i could go either way on him. lol you and your omgus oneg is this your rule again or what?
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On June 22 2015 03:27 Lohengramm wrote:
I think tina is town
excellent
what do you think about my saying you could be scum based on meta, yama? even knowing your comp problems are probably true xP
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On June 22 2015 03:39 Lohengramm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 03:35 rsoultin wrote:On June 22 2015 03:27 Lohengramm wrote:
I think tina is town
excellent what do you think about my saying you could be scum based on meta, yama? even knowing your comp problems are probably true xP I wouldn't necessarily blame you but there are reasons to read me town as well, so meh.
which are? beyond you voting for my scumread which, i admit, does go in your favor enough to make the first failure to vote null if he flips scum
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