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On June 12 2015 17:46 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 12:50 n00bKing wrote:
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On Page 9, batsnacks posts some philosophy about the nature of danger
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Hahaha But really this post is exactly what you're saying not to do. Agree with oats completly: Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 12:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
oh man thats a horrific post....
ARGH.
Like it doesnt scumhunt at all.
Its just advice.
I don't think that's a post you want to be agreeing with. We should not disparage the idea of posts that give advice, most especially in a Newbie game. I certainly hope that the other Town players will give me some good advice, at some point in the game. And if they aren't scumhunting in that same moment, it won't make good advice any less good.
Kickstart has said (and then re-emphasized) that: "the #1 goal of town should always be to show that they are town through their actions, and coming in a close second is helping to find scum."
Firstly, I'm not sure I agree with him. If I could only look Town or find Scum, I would probably rather find Scum. If I then get mislynched (because I didn't convince enough people that I was Town) then the work I did finding Scum could still get that player lynched soon afterward. But what's more relevant to this conversation is: IF looking Town is more important than finding Scum, then how does one show themselves to be Town WITHOUT scumhunting? Well, one good way is definitely "by giving helpful advice."
On June 12 2015 16:45 Rels wrote:
Why are you defending him so early.
This was explained before you got here. If you read the whole thread before you post, then you won't end up clogging the pages with questions that were already answered. There's some "advice" for you. 
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On June 12 2015 18:31 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 17:12 n00bKing wrote:
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3) I think his "quick and easy how to play town guide" contains at least one bit of bad advice, and maybe more.
Could you expand on that ?
Saying "don't claim your role" is far too much of an overgeneralization. It doesn't account for the player's role, and it doesn't account for timing. And there's at least 1 Town role in this setup that I think should probably claim, and should probably do so early in the game.
I am also not sure it's wise to be telling Newbies to find only one player they think is Mafia. You're not always going to be able to convince people that your target is a good lynch. Having a secondary target could help you inspire people to make a lynch that would also be good. Having two suspects doesn't always mean you're relying on unflipped associations. Looking for more than one target helps a player keep an open mind. Rules 2 and 3 of batsnacks' advice are basically "a guide on how to tunnel." Again, there's nothing wrong with giving advice. But I think his advice is bad.
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On June 12 2015 21:16 batsnacks wrote:
This isn't a very good case.
I didn't say it was a "very good case." It's very early in the game for there to be a good case. Are you proud of your case against the player you voted for?
What I did was give reasons for why I am voting against you. Do you want people to stop explaining their votes?
[b]batsnacks wrote:[/b ]if you understand why I'm upset about rux's claim then you don't have a problem with me voting him. I'm not sure why you said you do have a problem with me voting rux if you understand that the claim hurts town and that hurting town makes me upset.
I can understand why you're upset and still be able to have a problem with the vote. It's a Newbie game. Someone doing something that hurts Town doesn't make them scum. Additionally, IF he's scum, then his claim doesn't actually hurt the Town. It only hurts the Town if HE'S Town. So you can't say "I'm voting against him because his claim hurts the Town" without believing he is Town. And if you believe he's Town...then...
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On June 12 2015 22:17 Rels wrote:
I feel that you're spending a lot of times giving "advices" and defending people. That's it.
I understand what you're saying. And trust me, if there were more people sounding suspicious to me, I would be talking about that. But so far, batsnacks is the only player that has more than one post that rubs me the wrong way. People like Moosy and FakePlants have only made one post apiece that struck me odd.
So I've been talking some about batsnacks, since that's who I'm voting against. But in the absence of other good targets, I thought it would be better to give some advice and defend some people, than to do nothing. If no one here has played the game with me before, you don't want me lurking. It's better to have me on the record with some opinions than not.
Rels wrote: Anyway n00bking, all you're saying makes sense. You give good advices and your defenses are good. But two things:
- you should let newbies defend themselves, espacially early day 1.
I defended non-newbies too.  I was just concerned that in a Newbie game, a bandwagon on a bad lynch target could get rolling pretty easily, if no one points out flaws in the reasoning being used against that player. But okay, I will let people do more of their own work. Thanks for the "advice."
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On June 12 2015 22:32 batsnacks wrote:
Anyway... I don't feel like talking about this anymore. I changed my mind noobking you can find 2 scum reads. Keep your vote on me and find another another mafia.
I don't think it's a good sign that whether or not the player you were voting against is scum is something you "don't feel like talking about anymore." But anyway, as far as finding another lynch target...
damdred is not really participating much more than boxerfred was.
So far, scott is not sounding as suspicious as FakePlants did. So I'll bump him down my list a little.
I do not care for the tone of Sulfurus' posts. He would probably be my #2 lynch right now.
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On June 13 2015 01:04 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 01:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
And yes for the record noob has been upgraded from scum tier to 'meh' tier because I'm not sure I believe he as scum would be so ballsy to continue posting the way he has, though my fear of being wrong on newbies prevents me from bringing him higher just yet. That's not what I asked. I asked why you read him as scum in the first place.
Continue to think posts from ruXxar sound like they came from a Town player. And not because this one has anything to do with me, but because he is willing to fearlessly grill WaveofShadow for more information, when (based on post count, and the game history in his profile) Wave could be one of the most experienced players in this game. When ruXxar's early boldness drew him a couple of votes, he didn't decide to change gears. He's willing to go toe-to-toe with anyone, to get the answers he wants.
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On June 13 2015 03:08 geript wrote:
Oooh Damdred replaced in. That guy's town 100%. ezpz.
Is this just a joke, based on your history with the player? (eg, "damdred never rolls scum") Or are you actually trying to say something here?
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On June 13 2015 03:28 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 03:25 batsnacks wrote:
I don't know what geripts alignment is... Clearly that guy is 3P.
I don't know what 3P means either.
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On June 13 2015 05:34 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 05:30 Sulfurus wrote:You just completely avoided my question. What do you think of Bats? @Wave ruXx makes a good case on him here and I would probably have my vote on him if it weren't for the fact that he played similar to this as town in the last newbie game. Essentially more thought needs to be put in before he gets bandwagoned. Bolded isn't true at all and you should know it isn't true because you were in the last one. I was a shining paragon of all things that are good and town in the last newbie game. And I think it did something to be because I just can't make it work this game.
Newbie X is the only game I've read on the site. So for anyone that hasn't read it, and is wondering which of Sulfurus/batsnacks is accurate here...I would not go so far as to say that batsnacks was the "shining paragon" he mentions, but he definitely did NOT play that game (in which he was Town) the same as he is playing this one. He was more invested in that game, more interested in that game, and especially more useful in that game. And since he was killed well before the game ended, I don't think he could reasonably say that he's apathetic in this one because of some sort of mental fatigue caused by the last one.
I don't see much of anything to indicate that batsnacks and Sulfurus are teammates. But I also don't see much that indicates either of them are Town.
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On June 13 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:
What do I do if I don't have any scum reads? In a sense almost no one has scum reads because I'm town and the only people pushing stuff are pushing me.
Here's would lynch:
3)MoosyDoosy
4)Sulfurus
7)Fake)Plants
2)batsnacks
3)Trfel
here's idk can't form opinion:
6)damdred
1)Rels
4)WaveofShadow
5)geript
5)ruXxar
Here's would not lynch:
2)n00bKing
1)Kickstart
6)Oatsmaster
So you are 4th on your own lynch list? lol If you have a PM saying you are Town, and still would be content to lynch yourself, I guess your posts must look REALLY scummy to you!
If I have any hesitation about seeing you lynched, it would be that I actually like how a lot (not all, but a lot) of your list shakes out, including your placement near the top.
batsnacks wrote: help me not get lynched. Thx
I would help! But some dude named batsnacks told me to let other players defend themselves. :D
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On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case.
Wait, really? Just a few posts earlier, you were "wondering whether to cast between batsnacks or Sulfurus." Suddenly batsnacks drops so low in suspicion for you that you're asking him to help you by making a case against geript?
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On June 13 2015 07:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:06 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case. Wait, really? Just a few posts earlier, you were "wondering whether to cast between batsnacks or Sulfurus." Suddenly batsnacks drops so low in suspicion for you that you're asking him to help you by making a case against geript? Um...where did I say I suspected batsnacks? I was always making a case against geript.
The part I put in quotation marks should have been sufficient to jog your memory. I don't think you want to make a habit of forcing people to go back and dig up YOUR posts so that you can remember what YOU said.
The full post was:
On June 13 2015 05:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Either way, I'll doubt geript will be voted for this round. Right now I'm wondering whether to cast between batsnacks or Sulfurus. The thing is that Sulfurus has contributed little and some of his posts have been questionably empty.
And then just a few posts later, you are asking batsnacks to help you out by making a case against either Sulfurus or geript (when geript, who you say is the one you were "always making a case against", was unmentioned in your earlier post).
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On June 13 2015 07:13 batsnacks wrote:
n00bking why are you still voting me is there something you're confused about or are you just too lazy to move your vote?
I'm confused about why you expect people to think you're Town? Can you help with that?
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On June 13 2015 07:26 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:23 n00bKing wrote:
I'm confused about why you expect people to think you're Town? Can you help with that?
Well you haven't given me anything that I haven't responded to and you haven't brought anything new to the ongoing case on me in a long time so... I'm just assuming that you stopped scum reading me and forgot to switch your vote. Or you haven't decided who to switch to yet. Okay. Well nope, I continue to agree with you that you're a reasonably good lynch target for Day 1. Also, you're aware that the player you're voting against now was not anywhere on your "would lynch" list, an hour ago? Trfel really turned your whole world upside down that quickly?
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WARNING: ADVICE POST! :D
I really don't see any excuse for players not having a vote on anyone, this deep into the phase.
Trfel does not have his vote on anyone, despite batsnacks sheeping his case against Rels.
Sulfurus does not have his vote on anyone.
Moosy/Scott/Damdred have not even posted in the voting thread yet this game.
Your vote has power. Use it!
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On June 13 2015 07:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:54 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 07:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
While the case Trfel seems interesting, I'm not going to vote for you quite yet. It's simple for someone to just notice suspicious stuff while reading which explains the filler before you found the post from Plants. The rest of what Trfel says is interesting tho, so I'd still count you around as a possible Mafia. Wishy Washy very naughty. eh, not wishy washy. I initially thought that Rels was a townie and didn't suspect him. What Trfel says is very interesting and would be a very hard read on him but I don't feel it's concrete enough to vote for him right off the bat. It does raise some yellow flags around him tho.
This is STILL wishy-washy.
Side note: I think the fact that Rels jumped right into the thread and started responding to posts in order (without reading the entire thread first) is slightly Town-indicative. I don't think it's a GOOD habit to have, but I don't think it's something a Mafia player would do. And I could tell that's what he had done even before he admitted that's what he had done.
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On June 13 2015 08:02 batsnacks wrote:
K well I have the longest filter now and anyone who thinks mafia batsnacks has the biggest filter d1 is a silly goose
Approximately how many times have you had a mafia role in these games?
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On June 13 2015 08:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Lol, if you think a slight change in opinion is wishy washy then I guess I can never change my opinion or stance in the future.
I wouldn't mind if your opinion changes over the course of a Phase. But your position was changing over the course of ONE post. It's your fence-straddling that is unappealing to me. People want Town players to take a stand on issues, and try to avoid taking both sides.
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On June 13 2015 08:25 Rels wrote:
Fuck I was making a case on you moosy but reading your filter a lot of my points are false. Like I was saying you kept repeating that you were newb. Actually it's not true.
I still have two things left in my suspicion of you, so could you please comment on them.
First point
You don't take any stand. Not against me nor anyone else.
I guess he is sorta/kinda suggesting geript as a lynch? But if you think Moosy doesn't take any stands in this thread, he especially doesn't take any in the voting thread.
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On June 13 2015 08:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:
^ As a note, it was not n00bking who first defended ruXxar as townie, it was me.
I guess you can only be referring to this blurb here:
MoosyDoosy wrote: And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you.
If that's your idea of defending someone, then I guess you defend people with the same ferocity that you pressure them with! Planning on casting a vote this game?
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