|
On June 16 2015 06:00 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 05:55 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 05:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 16 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 05:44 ruXxar wrote:
Just to make it clear to everyone.
I wouldn't mind if Sulfur was lynched for his complete lack of contribution.
However, I would much rather try to lynch a mafia than a shitty town any day of the week.
Wanna know the easiest way to tell the difference between mafia and shitty town? Be mafia. Like seriously there is no way you should be able to tell the difference as town given what sulfur has provided, unless you are mafia and you actually know sulfur's alignment. Well except that this would belie that Sulf is actually town and Ruxxar's case is a simple case of TMI, and I have a very hard time believing that Sulf is town. Associations aside I still don't know if I'd lynch Ruxxar first, but I think at this point I'd do it over Rels. Votecount?How many people are still on him actually, because that may be some interesting info too considering how quickly the wagon started at the beginning of the day. If ruxxar and sulfur are both mafia I don't think it's unreasonable to think that ruxxar is defending his scum mate who has all but left their team to fend for themselves. I also don't think it's unreasonable to think that ruxxar's case is TMI. So sulfur's alignment doesn't matter, ruxxar is scummy regardless. Ok so here's a thought. You're a mafia. It's an exciting role yes? If you rolled mafia would you not be more inclined to actually stay alive and win than if you were town? I can understand the IDGAF attitude if you roll vanilla town, but as mafia I would be way more interested in the game. Why would sulfurus STILL not even ATTEMPT to mount some sort of defense? Is he breaking the rules of the mafia game and not playing to WIN? Does he honestly think that I alone am going to be able to save him? Not in a million years when I'm already suspect as mafia.
This works both ways. Why would sulfur not attempt to mount some sort of defense as town if his win condition is to keep town alive and lynch mafia? So no this is not a reason to townread sulfur.
|
On June 16 2015 06:05 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 06:03 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 06:00 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2015 05:55 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 05:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 16 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 05:44 ruXxar wrote:
Just to make it clear to everyone.
I wouldn't mind if Sulfur was lynched for his complete lack of contribution.
However, I would much rather try to lynch a mafia than a shitty town any day of the week.
Wanna know the easiest way to tell the difference between mafia and shitty town? Be mafia. Like seriously there is no way you should be able to tell the difference as town given what sulfur has provided, unless you are mafia and you actually know sulfur's alignment. Well except that this would belie that Sulf is actually town and Ruxxar's case is a simple case of TMI, and I have a very hard time believing that Sulf is town. Associations aside I still don't know if I'd lynch Ruxxar first, but I think at this point I'd do it over Rels. Votecount?How many people are still on him actually, because that may be some interesting info too considering how quickly the wagon started at the beginning of the day. If ruxxar and sulfur are both mafia I don't think it's unreasonable to think that ruxxar is defending his scum mate who has all but left their team to fend for themselves. I also don't think it's unreasonable to think that ruxxar's case is TMI. So sulfur's alignment doesn't matter, ruxxar is scummy regardless. Ok so here's a thought. You're a mafia. It's an exciting role yes? If you rolled mafia would you not be more inclined to actually stay alive and win than if you were town? I can understand the IDGAF attitude if you roll vanilla town, but as mafia I would be way more interested in the game. Why would sulfurus STILL not even ATTEMPT to mount some sort of defense? Is he breaking the rules of the mafia game and not playing to WIN? Does he honestly think that I alone am going to be able to save him? Not in a million years when I'm already suspect as mafia. This works both ways. Why would sulfur not attempt to mount some sort of defense as town if his win condition is to keep town alive and lynch mafia? So no this is not a reason to townread sulfur. Because if he's mafia and i'm mafia and I still try to protect him despite the fact that he has given up then I'm an idiot no? Basically what wave said.
Association is bad and you are scummy regardless of sulfur's alignment. I don't need to know sulfur's alignment to know that you're probably mafia.
|
On June 16 2015 06:09 ruXxar wrote:
If for any reason sulfurus flips and he's red, you can lynch me next night 100%, I won't even be mad.
I'm that confident in my read.
1 post ago you just explained that sulfurus flipping red makes you town. Even though you were wrong wtf even is this?
|
On June 16 2015 06:12 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 06:10 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 06:09 ruXxar wrote:
If for any reason sulfurus flips and he's red, you can lynch me next night 100%, I won't even be mad.
I'm that confident in my read. 1 post ago you just explained that sulfurus flipping red makes you town. Even though you were wrong wtf even is this? Please quote the post where I said this:
ARE YOU SERIOUS???
On June 16 2015 06:05 ruXxar wrote:
Because if he's mafia and i'm mafia and I still try to protect him despite the fact that he has given up then I'm an idiot no?
Basically what wave said.
|
On June 16 2015 06:27 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 06:24 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 16 2015 06:21 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2015 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 06:12 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2015 06:10 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 06:09 ruXxar wrote:
If for any reason sulfurus flips and he's red, you can lynch me next night 100%, I won't even be mad.
I'm that confident in my read. 1 post ago you just explained that sulfurus flipping red makes you town. Even though you were wrong wtf even is this? Please quote the post where I said this: ARE YOU SERIOUS??? On June 16 2015 06:05 ruXxar wrote:
Because if he's mafia and i'm mafia and I still try to protect him despite the fact that he has given up then I'm an idiot no?
Basically what wave said.
You misunderstood completely. That sentence says that if he's a mafia given up the game, and I'm also a mafia, then I'm idiot for defending him. Ergo only an idiot mafia would defend sulfurus if he's red. I'd like to think I'm better than that so I would've bussed sulfur a long time ago if I actually was his mafia buddy. As for why sulfur isn't mafia in an isolated scope, I've already made that argument before. You're right about the earlier stuff, and it isn't all that convincing, but I've already explained why your case for Sulf being town is pretty worthless. The more convincing argument is actually the TMI, and even though I have a hard time believing you're right, it still makes you look scummy either in which case the play would be to lynch you first. I'm going to hold off for now and let some other people comment on this because it's been beaten to death. Damdred and Scott I'm particularly interested in what you two have to say. Are you going to explain what TMI is in the context of mafia? I did not find any reference acronym in the mafiascum wiki.
It means you have too much information about the alignments of other players i.e. there is no way you should be confident in sulfur's alignment if you are town because sulfur has not provided enough information to make that determination. You especially should not be confident enough to risk your place in the game for sulfur. A common mafia tell is giving out townreads for unsound reasons.
|
On June 16 2015 06:33 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 06:31 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 06:27 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2015 06:24 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 16 2015 06:21 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2015 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 06:12 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2015 06:10 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 06:09 ruXxar wrote:
If for any reason sulfurus flips and he's red, you can lynch me next night 100%, I won't even be mad.
I'm that confident in my read. 1 post ago you just explained that sulfurus flipping red makes you town. Even though you were wrong wtf even is this? Please quote the post where I said this: ARE YOU SERIOUS??? On June 16 2015 06:05 ruXxar wrote:
Because if he's mafia and i'm mafia and I still try to protect him despite the fact that he has given up then I'm an idiot no?
Basically what wave said.
You misunderstood completely. That sentence says that if he's a mafia given up the game, and I'm also a mafia, then I'm idiot for defending him. Ergo only an idiot mafia would defend sulfurus if he's red. I'd like to think I'm better than that so I would've bussed sulfur a long time ago if I actually was his mafia buddy. As for why sulfur isn't mafia in an isolated scope, I've already made that argument before. You're right about the earlier stuff, and it isn't all that convincing, but I've already explained why your case for Sulf being town is pretty worthless. The more convincing argument is actually the TMI, and even though I have a hard time believing you're right, it still makes you look scummy either in which case the play would be to lynch you first. I'm going to hold off for now and let some other people comment on this because it's been beaten to death. Damdred and Scott I'm particularly interested in what you two have to say. Are you going to explain what TMI is in the context of mafia? I did not find any reference acronym in the mafiascum wiki. It means you have too much information about the alignments of other players i.e. there is no way you should be confident in sulfur's alignment if you are town because sulfur has not provided enough information to make that determination. You especially should not be confident enough to risk your place in the game for sulfur. A common mafia tell is giving out townreads for unsound reasons. I found my reasons to be very sound. I imagined myself in sulfurus position, and not in a million years would I have made that same play that he has as mafia.
Well your reasons aren't sound.
The best case for sulfurus being town is him defending Rels when voting Rels would have been more likely to save him, and I was the first to point this out. The problem with this is that doing this does not help him as either alignment. If sulfurus is town then he should be more confident in his own alignment than Rels' alignment, so he should vote Rels so save himself.
|
On June 16 2015 07:11 Damdred wrote:
Why is bring wrong a negative exactly?
I think Rels reads on me are less interesting than anything that's happening with ruxxar.
|
I don't know why Rels is going through the motions with this actually. He responded to what was brought against him his time would be better spent playing the game again instead of going through these tedious null reads.
|
On June 16 2015 07:16 Damdred wrote:
I'm mafia remember?
Actually here's a thought I'm thinking that's totally unrelated. Wave barely calls me out in most of hi postings besides being disappointed to an extent. However He keeps bringing attention to sul at points and says l tt inch the person not playing the game. Why then am,I not the primary push. I have played much less than anyone in,the game currently yet not pushed.
Its an interesting observation.
And rux is obviously tmi
Damdred you buddy/agree/placate/sheep me way more when you're mafia than when you're town. When you're town you are usually suspicious of me at every point in the game and it is usually a constant struggle for me to keep you not-suspicious.
|
I agree with pretty much everything damdred has said this game though so yeah.
That's the scum tell I was talking about btw damdred. You're really, really nice to me when you're mafia. 
|
On June 16 2015 07:30 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 07:28 batsnacks wrote:I agree with pretty much everything damdred has said this game though so yeah. That's the scum tell I was talking about btw damdred. You're really, really nice to me when you're mafia. Bu then....doesn't that make him scummy according to you?
Yeah. If damdred is mafia it's for buddying me and contributing as little as possible. I like my case on ruxxar better though. kickstart and sulfurus also look worse. This game is harder when people don't play.
|
On June 16 2015 08:07 Kickstart wrote:
Ill be a misslynch guys, if you are that concerned wait for a cop check or something. Should just lynch sulfurus like you were supposed to day 1.
##Unvote
##Vote Sulfuras
Why should we waste a hypothetical cop check on you? Why not use the hypothetical cop check on a scummy person who's actually playing?
|
On June 16 2015 08:11 Kickstart wrote:
Eh didnt look at role possibilities. There are still better lynches than me regardless.
So?
|
On June 16 2015 08:13 WaveofShadow wrote:Ok found it. Show nested quote +What is the mafia incentive for pushing Rels hard at times, and at other times going with other wagons? That's a lousy way to go about a bus, and if I'm scum and Rels is town, why would I keep jumping around between flipped town geript, likely town batsnacks, and assumed town Rels?
Given the lackluster way geript was playing, I was suspicious of him. I didn't want to lynch him for that alone, though, because of the weekend and because of the potential risk. However, when batsnacks caught what I thought was a scumslip, this new information convinced me to lynch geript. If I didn't re-evaluate based on new information, that would be more telling. Ultimately I think there are other people doing similar things that looks worse. When Trfel does post I have generally been liking it. You know him pretty well though, yes? there anything specifically meta-related here? Im curious.
I've played a few games with town Trfel and this is what I'm used to seeing. The strong cases especially and low activity otherwise.
|
I wish oats were capable of going ham on more than 1 person per game. Did I wear you out oats?
|
On June 16 2015 09:22 Trfel wrote:
Why does no one want to talk to me about scott31337?
I'll talk to you trfel.
|
On June 16 2015 09:24 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 09:24 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 09:22 Trfel wrote:
Why does no one want to talk to me about scott31337? I'll talk to you trfel. Based on my post a few posts up, what do you think about scott31337?
I cba to go looking through scott's filter for URL code could you maybe just paste all his secrets in the thread? I feel like that's an important part of what I'm trying to understand.
|
On June 16 2015 09:30 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 09:28 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 09:24 Trfel wrote:On June 16 2015 09:24 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 09:22 Trfel wrote:
Why does no one want to talk to me about scott31337? I'll talk to you trfel. Based on my post a few posts up, what do you think about scott31337? I cba to go looking through scott's filter for URL code could you maybe just paste all his secrets in the thread? I feel like that's an important part of what I'm trying to understand. He just asked me what I thought about the fact that you hadn't used Bat Traps in this game. I responded saying that you generally only use Bat Traps as town, and that this was a good find.
Well he's right. Why bother to say this to you in code though? Was he defending me from you when I had votes or something?
|
On June 16 2015 09:35 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 09:33 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 09:30 Trfel wrote:On June 16 2015 09:28 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 09:24 Trfel wrote:On June 16 2015 09:24 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 09:22 Trfel wrote:
Why does no one want to talk to me about scott31337? I'll talk to you trfel. Based on my post a few posts up, what do you think about scott31337? I cba to go looking through scott's filter for URL code could you maybe just paste all his secrets in the thread? I feel like that's an important part of what I'm trying to understand. He just asked me what I thought about the fact that you hadn't used Bat Traps in this game. I responded saying that you generally only use Bat Traps as town, and that this was a good find. Well he's right. Why bother to say this to you in code though? Was he defending me from you when I had votes or something? If he's town, presumably to make sure that if you were scum, you wouldn't see it and then use a Bat Trap? Alternatively, he could have just done that to pocket me.... and it worked, darn it.
I don't understand why mafia scott is trying to pocket you of all people with an obscure yet highly accurate meta read on me.
|
Trfel what was the timeframe for this? Was this d1 before you voted me? d1 after you voted me? d1 after you unvoted me? It would help a lot if you could quote the actual posts.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
