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On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? If NaCl IS town and he IS doctor, he's a fucking idiot for "counterclaiming" in a closed setup in the first place. If you don't believe Artanis' claim, MAKE GOOD POINTS ABOUT IT, DON'T "COUNTERCLAIM" WITH A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THE ONE BEING CLAIMED It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims?
It is literally irrelevant if NaCl is an idiot or not. Artanis claim makes 0 sense from a town pov. The crumb is not obvious at all.
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On June 06 2015 07:54 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:47 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:44 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out.
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Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I fail to believe any mini game would be so utterly awful at that kind of balance. I am quite content to get lynched first for the trade. We don't know what roles scum have. I'm not quite as convinced as you, more so because I see little reason for you to fakeclaim as scum here. Then again, Toad did do it in LX or whatever so I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely. On June 06 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out.
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Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I also don't believe you thought scum would catch on to your ridiculous "crumb". You are not this bad. I actually figured you already figured it out when you kept talking about how bad I looked yet never voted or actually pushed me. I don't doubt that a 3-player scumteam would figure it out themselves. Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me. On June 06 2015 07:40 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:38 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 yamato77 wrote:
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care to explain?
I'm all ears. There are never both jk and doctor in the game. If the salty guy hardclaims we are lynching the shit out of artanis. In the worst case he trades 1:1 with mafia NaCl. So you're banking on lynching claims in a closed setup? Yeah, no. Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. How does lock and jail not make sense together? When marv pointed it out so strongly I figured it was obvious. Why would you ever think that? Why would he ever point that out if he really thinks that? As town he would never point it out if he thinks it is a crumb. As scum he would also never do it and instead just kill you. I mean AFTER he points it out it should be obvious to anyone that knows my alignment for CERTAIN as I've already mentioned I think marv is town. No. Why on earth would that be obvious? Just no. People seem to pick up on way less and I never read blues well so yeah. On June 06 2015 07:47 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
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I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I fail to believe any mini game would be so utterly awful at that kind of balance. I am quite content to get lynched first for the trade. We don't know what roles scum have. I'm not quite as convinced as you, more so because I see little reason for you to fakeclaim as scum here. Then again, Toad did do it in LX or whatever so I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely. On June 06 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I also don't believe you thought scum would catch on to your ridiculous "crumb". You are not this bad. I actually figured you already figured it out when you kept talking about how bad I looked yet never voted or actually pushed me. I don't doubt that a 3-player scumteam would figure it out themselves. Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me. On June 06 2015 07:40 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:38 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:35 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:
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More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. If this is a harcclaim we are 100 % lynching artanis. care to explain? I'm all ears. There are never both jk and doctor in the game. If the salty guy hardclaims we are lynching the shit out of artanis. In the worst case he trades 1:1 with mafia NaCl. So you're banking on lynching claims in a closed setup? Yeah, no. Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. How does lock and jail not make sense together? When marv pointed it out so strongly I figured it was obvious. At no point did you ever mention the word jail. Marvellosity had only ever mentioned that your usage of the word lock did not make sense with the phrase that you had said beforehand in regards to Mig. It is facetious that you could make us believe that mafia would be "onto you" from that phrase alone. The phrase jail had never existed with your posts up until you had claimed jailkeeper. Believe it or not, it's what I believed at the time and I still think it's likely I would've been found. There was also a certain amount of yolo involved given how slow the thread was going and I was bored. There is no reason to claim now if you think you would have been found. 0 reason. The only possible reason to claim is if you really thought you were getting lynched and I refuse to believe that a guy that has never been mislynched thinks he cannot avoid the lynch when he has 1 vote half way through day1. If you think you have maybe been found out you claim at the end of night 1 maybe but not earlier in case you have NOT been found out. There is no upside to claiming in your position as town.
Sure there is; eliminating myself from the lynch pool and discussion so we can talk about people that can actually be mafia. Plus it caused the thread to actually get out of the drag.
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On June 06 2015 07:57 prplhz wrote:
@Artanis[Xp] If it was so obvious that "lock" means jailkeeper, then why didn't marvellosity figure that out? He's sort of a smart fellow isn't he?
Because he didn't know my alignment and it was already weird to him. For someone who does know alignments the options are much more limited.
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On June 06 2015 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:54 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:47 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:44 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 NaCl`y wrote:
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I fail to believe any mini game would be so utterly awful at that kind of balance. I am quite content to get lynched first for the trade. We don't know what roles scum have. I'm not quite as convinced as you, more so because I see little reason for you to fakeclaim as scum here. Then again, Toad did do it in LX or whatever so I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely. On June 06 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:
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I also don't believe you thought scum would catch on to your ridiculous "crumb". You are not this bad. I actually figured you already figured it out when you kept talking about how bad I looked yet never voted or actually pushed me. I don't doubt that a 3-player scumteam would figure it out themselves. Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me. On June 06 2015 07:40 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:38 justanothertownie wrote:
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There are never both jk and doctor in the game. If the salty guy hardclaims we are lynching the shit out of artanis. In the worst case he trades 1:1 with mafia NaCl. So you're banking on lynching claims in a closed setup? Yeah, no. Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. How does lock and jail not make sense together? When marv pointed it out so strongly I figured it was obvious. Why would you ever think that? Why would he ever point that out if he really thinks that? As town he would never point it out if he thinks it is a crumb. As scum he would also never do it and instead just kill you. I mean AFTER he points it out it should be obvious to anyone that knows my alignment for CERTAIN as I've already mentioned I think marv is town. No. Why on earth would that be obvious? Just no. People seem to pick up on way less and I never read blues well so yeah. On June 06 2015 07:47 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:
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Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote.
I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:
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More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I fail to believe any mini game would be so utterly awful at that kind of balance. I am quite content to get lynched first for the trade. We don't know what roles scum have. I'm not quite as convinced as you, more so because I see little reason for you to fakeclaim as scum here. Then again, Toad did do it in LX or whatever so I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely. On June 06 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:
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Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote.
I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:
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More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I also don't believe you thought scum would catch on to your ridiculous "crumb". You are not this bad. I actually figured you already figured it out when you kept talking about how bad I looked yet never voted or actually pushed me. I don't doubt that a 3-player scumteam would figure it out themselves. Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me. On June 06 2015 07:40 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:38 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:35 justanothertownie wrote:
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If this is a harcclaim we are 100 % lynching artanis. care to explain? I'm all ears. There are never both jk and doctor in the game. If the salty guy hardclaims we are lynching the shit out of artanis. In the worst case he trades 1:1 with mafia NaCl. So you're banking on lynching claims in a closed setup? Yeah, no. Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. How does lock and jail not make sense together? When marv pointed it out so strongly I figured it was obvious. At no point did you ever mention the word jail. Marvellosity had only ever mentioned that your usage of the word lock did not make sense with the phrase that you had said beforehand in regards to Mig. It is facetious that you could make us believe that mafia would be "onto you" from that phrase alone. The phrase jail had never existed with your posts up until you had claimed jailkeeper. Believe it or not, it's what I believed at the time and I still think it's likely I would've been found. There was also a certain amount of yolo involved given how slow the thread was going and I was bored. There is no reason to claim now if you think you would have been found. 0 reason. The only possible reason to claim is if you really thought you were getting lynched and I refuse to believe that a guy that has never been mislynched thinks he cannot avoid the lynch when he has 1 vote half way through day1. If you think you have maybe been found out you claim at the end of night 1 maybe but not earlier in case you have NOT been found out. There is no upside to claiming in your position as town. Sure there is; eliminating myself from the lynch pool and discussion so we can talk about people that can actually be mafia. Plus it caused the thread to actually get out of the drag.
You are not bad enough to think that this is justification enough to claim this role. Nope.
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On June 06 2015 07:55 NaCl`y wrote:
@Everyone
I do not believe there would simply be 2 protective roles in this game. I would like the input of others that have not said anything towards this, it would be appreciated. Are there likely to be 2 town protective roles? Could Artanis[Xp] be the mafia roleblocker fake claiming since they are notified and it would be a good cover for somebody that notoriously does not play as mafia?
Until recently there couldn't be godfather, framer, miller, cop in same game but then suddenly there was a game with godfather, framer, miller, cop. So I'm not inclined to this setup speculation either. Honestly I haven't a clue what to make of these claims, I'm pretty horrible with claims.
What I'm pretty certain of is that one of you claimers is a giant moron.
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On June 06 2015 07:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:57 prplhz wrote:
@Artanis[Xp] If it was so obvious that "lock" means jailkeeper, then why didn't marvellosity figure that out? He's sort of a smart fellow isn't he? Because he didn't know my alignment and it was already weird to him. For someone who does know alignments the options are much more limited.
So marv is 100% town or are you just covering your ass?
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On June 06 2015 07:58 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:54 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:47 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:44 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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We don't know what roles scum have. I'm not quite as convinced as you, more so because I see little reason for you to fakeclaim as scum here. Then again, Toad did do it in LX or whatever so I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely.
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I actually figured you already figured it out when you kept talking about how bad I looked yet never voted or actually pushed me. I don't doubt that a 3-player scumteam would figure it out themselves. Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me. On June 06 2015 07:40 yamato77 wrote:
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So you're banking on lynching claims in a closed setup?
Yeah, no. Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. How does lock and jail not make sense together? When marv pointed it out so strongly I figured it was obvious. Why would you ever think that? Why would he ever point that out if he really thinks that? As town he would never point it out if he thinks it is a crumb. As scum he would also never do it and instead just kill you. I mean AFTER he points it out it should be obvious to anyone that knows my alignment for CERTAIN as I've already mentioned I think marv is town. No. Why on earth would that be obvious? Just no. People seem to pick up on way less and I never read blues well so yeah. On June 06 2015 07:47 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out.
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Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I fail to believe any mini game would be so utterly awful at that kind of balance. I am quite content to get lynched first for the trade. We don't know what roles scum have. I'm not quite as convinced as you, more so because I see little reason for you to fakeclaim as scum here. Then again, Toad did do it in LX or whatever so I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely. On June 06 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out.
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Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I also don't believe you thought scum would catch on to your ridiculous "crumb". You are not this bad. I actually figured you already figured it out when you kept talking about how bad I looked yet never voted or actually pushed me. I don't doubt that a 3-player scumteam would figure it out themselves. Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me. On June 06 2015 07:40 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:38 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 yamato77 wrote:
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care to explain?
I'm all ears. There are never both jk and doctor in the game. If the salty guy hardclaims we are lynching the shit out of artanis. In the worst case he trades 1:1 with mafia NaCl. So you're banking on lynching claims in a closed setup? Yeah, no. Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. How does lock and jail not make sense together? When marv pointed it out so strongly I figured it was obvious. At no point did you ever mention the word jail. Marvellosity had only ever mentioned that your usage of the word lock did not make sense with the phrase that you had said beforehand in regards to Mig. It is facetious that you could make us believe that mafia would be "onto you" from that phrase alone. The phrase jail had never existed with your posts up until you had claimed jailkeeper. Believe it or not, it's what I believed at the time and I still think it's likely I would've been found. There was also a certain amount of yolo involved given how slow the thread was going and I was bored. There is no reason to claim now if you think you would have been found. 0 reason. The only possible reason to claim is if you really thought you were getting lynched and I refuse to believe that a guy that has never been mislynched thinks he cannot avoid the lynch when he has 1 vote half way through day1. If you think you have maybe been found out you claim at the end of night 1 maybe but not earlier in case you have NOT been found out. There is no upside to claiming in your position as town. Sure there is; eliminating myself from the lynch pool and discussion so we can talk about people that can actually be mafia. Plus it caused the thread to actually get out of the drag. You are not bad enough to think that this is justification enough to claim this role. Nope.
It is when you add in the fact that I thought and still think mafia knew already at that point. Whether you believe that or not is up to you.
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On June 06 2015 07:57 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? If NaCl IS town and he IS doctor, he's a fucking idiot for "counterclaiming" in a closed setup in the first place. If you don't believe Artanis' claim, MAKE GOOD POINTS ABOUT IT, DON'T "COUNTERCLAIM" WITH A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THE ONE BEING CLAIMED It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims? It is literally irrelevant if NaCl is an idiot or not. Artanis claim makes 0 sense from a town pov. The crumb is not obvious at all.
Look, Artanis shouldn't have claimed when he did, but the crumb is quite obviously a crumb in hindsight
If you don't think it's a crumb now, I don't know what to tell you
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On June 06 2015 07:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:57 prplhz wrote:
@Artanis[Xp] If it was so obvious that "lock" means jailkeeper, then why didn't marvellosity figure that out? He's sort of a smart fellow isn't he? Because he didn't know my alignment and it was already weird to him. For someone who does know alignments the options are much more limited.
No he didn't know your alignment but obvious he thought "Would Artanis[Xp] do this as town" and "Would Artanis[Xp] do this as scum". He thought about you alignment and considered both, obviously. marvellosity is not the tunnely kind of guy now is he?
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On June 06 2015 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:57 prplhz wrote:
@Artanis[Xp] If it was so obvious that "lock" means jailkeeper, then why didn't marvellosity figure that out? He's sort of a smart fellow isn't he? Because he didn't know my alignment and it was already weird to him. For someone who does know alignments the options are much more limited. So marv is 100% town or are you just covering your ass?
Not 100% town but extremely likely, yes.
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On June 06 2015 08:00 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:57 prplhz wrote:
@Artanis[Xp] If it was so obvious that "lock" means jailkeeper, then why didn't marvellosity figure that out? He's sort of a smart fellow isn't he? Because he didn't know my alignment and it was already weird to him. For someone who does know alignments the options are much more limited. No he didn't know your alignment but obvious he thought "Would Artanis[Xp] do this as town" and "Would Artanis[Xp] do this as scum". He thought about you alignment and considered both, obviously. marvellosity is not the tunnely kind of guy now is he?
In a closed setup I imagine townies won't think much about blue roles and I don't really have a history of crumbing anything either. He probably did not consider the option (thoroughly).
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On June 06 2015 07:58 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:55 NaCl`y wrote:
@Everyone
I do not believe there would simply be 2 protective roles in this game. I would like the input of others that have not said anything towards this, it would be appreciated. Are there likely to be 2 town protective roles? Could Artanis[Xp] be the mafia roleblocker fake claiming since they are notified and it would be a good cover for somebody that notoriously does not play as mafia? Until recently there couldn't be godfather, framer, miller, cop in same game but then suddenly there was a game with godfather, framer, miller, cop. So I'm not inclined to this setup speculation either. Honestly I haven't a clue what to make of these claims, I'm pretty horrible with claims. What I'm pretty certain of is that both of you claimers is a giant moron.
ftfy
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On June 06 2015 08:00 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:57 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? If NaCl IS town and he IS doctor, he's a fucking idiot for "counterclaiming" in a closed setup in the first place. If you don't believe Artanis' claim, MAKE GOOD POINTS ABOUT IT, DON'T "COUNTERCLAIM" WITH A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THE ONE BEING CLAIMED It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims? It is literally irrelevant if NaCl is an idiot or not. Artanis claim makes 0 sense from a town pov. The crumb is not obvious at all. Look, Artanis shouldn't have claimed when he did, but the crumb is quite obviously a crumb in hindsight If you don't think it's a crumb now, I don't know what to tell you
i guess it's a crumb since he's hardclaiming it to be a crumb but i would never have guessed that lol
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On June 06 2015 08:00 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:57 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? If NaCl IS town and he IS doctor, he's a fucking idiot for "counterclaiming" in a closed setup in the first place. If you don't believe Artanis' claim, MAKE GOOD POINTS ABOUT IT, DON'T "COUNTERCLAIM" WITH A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THE ONE BEING CLAIMED It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims? It is literally irrelevant if NaCl is an idiot or not. Artanis claim makes 0 sense from a town pov. The crumb is not obvious at all. Look, Artanis shouldn't have claimed when he did, but the crumb is quite obviously a crumb in hindsight If you don't think it's a crumb now, I don't know what to tell you
No, it is just not obviously a crumb in hindsight.
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On June 06 2015 07:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:58 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:54 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:47 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:44 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:
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Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me.
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Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. How does lock and jail not make sense together? When marv pointed it out so strongly I figured it was obvious. Why would you ever think that? Why would he ever point that out if he really thinks that? As town he would never point it out if he thinks it is a crumb. As scum he would also never do it and instead just kill you. I mean AFTER he points it out it should be obvious to anyone that knows my alignment for CERTAIN as I've already mentioned I think marv is town. No. Why on earth would that be obvious? Just no. People seem to pick up on way less and I never read blues well so yeah. On June 06 2015 07:47 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 NaCl`y wrote:
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I fail to believe any mini game would be so utterly awful at that kind of balance. I am quite content to get lynched first for the trade. We don't know what roles scum have. I'm not quite as convinced as you, more so because I see little reason for you to fakeclaim as scum here. Then again, Toad did do it in LX or whatever so I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely. On June 06 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:
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I also don't believe you thought scum would catch on to your ridiculous "crumb". You are not this bad. I actually figured you already figured it out when you kept talking about how bad I looked yet never voted or actually pushed me. I don't doubt that a 3-player scumteam would figure it out themselves. Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me. On June 06 2015 07:40 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:38 justanothertownie wrote:
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There are never both jk and doctor in the game. If the salty guy hardclaims we are lynching the shit out of artanis. In the worst case he trades 1:1 with mafia NaCl. So you're banking on lynching claims in a closed setup? Yeah, no. Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. How does lock and jail not make sense together? When marv pointed it out so strongly I figured it was obvious. At no point did you ever mention the word jail. Marvellosity had only ever mentioned that your usage of the word lock did not make sense with the phrase that you had said beforehand in regards to Mig. It is facetious that you could make us believe that mafia would be "onto you" from that phrase alone. The phrase jail had never existed with your posts up until you had claimed jailkeeper. Believe it or not, it's what I believed at the time and I still think it's likely I would've been found. There was also a certain amount of yolo involved given how slow the thread was going and I was bored. There is no reason to claim now if you think you would have been found. 0 reason. The only possible reason to claim is if you really thought you were getting lynched and I refuse to believe that a guy that has never been mislynched thinks he cannot avoid the lynch when he has 1 vote half way through day1. If you think you have maybe been found out you claim at the end of night 1 maybe but not earlier in case you have NOT been found out. There is no upside to claiming in your position as town. Sure there is; eliminating myself from the lynch pool and discussion so we can talk about people that can actually be mafia. Plus it caused the thread to actually get out of the drag. You are not bad enough to think that this is justification enough to claim this role. Nope. It is when you add in the fact that I thought and still think mafia knew already at that point. Whether you believe that or not is up to you.
I don't.
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On June 06 2015 08:01 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 08:00 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:57 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? If NaCl IS town and he IS doctor, he's a fucking idiot for "counterclaiming" in a closed setup in the first place. If you don't believe Artanis' claim, MAKE GOOD POINTS ABOUT IT, DON'T "COUNTERCLAIM" WITH A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THE ONE BEING CLAIMED It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims? It is literally irrelevant if NaCl is an idiot or not. Artanis claim makes 0 sense from a town pov. The crumb is not obvious at all. Look, Artanis shouldn't have claimed when he did, but the crumb is quite obviously a crumb in hindsight If you don't think it's a crumb now, I don't know what to tell you i guess it's a crumb since he's hardclaiming it to be a crumb but i would never have guessed that lol
it's not really about whether anyone perceived it to be a crumb or not in the first place
it's about it obviously being something that was out of place in the given context, which was then claimed to be a crumb. kinda makes sense, no?
Unless you believe mafia artanis is either:
1) fakeclaiming with an awful crumb
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2) covering his ass by making up a claim out of some odd sentence he posted
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On June 06 2015 07:00 Chezinu wrote:
hey guys he guys!
You know what marvellosity and fecalfeast have in common?
we share a scum qt?
I bet it's that one
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On June 06 2015 08:01 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 08:00 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:57 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? If NaCl IS town and he IS doctor, he's a fucking idiot for "counterclaiming" in a closed setup in the first place. If you don't believe Artanis' claim, MAKE GOOD POINTS ABOUT IT, DON'T "COUNTERCLAIM" WITH A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THE ONE BEING CLAIMED It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims? It is literally irrelevant if NaCl is an idiot or not. Artanis claim makes 0 sense from a town pov. The crumb is not obvious at all. Look, Artanis shouldn't have claimed when he did, but the crumb is quite obviously a crumb in hindsight If you don't think it's a crumb now, I don't know what to tell you No, it is just not obviously a crumb in hindsight.
then what else is it, exactly?
how do you interpret his crumb claim if he's mafia?
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On June 06 2015 08:02 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:58 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:54 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:47 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:44 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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How does lock and jail not make sense together? When marv pointed it out so strongly I figured it was obvious. Why would you ever think that? Why would he ever point that out if he really thinks that? As town he would never point it out if he thinks it is a crumb. As scum he would also never do it and instead just kill you. I mean AFTER he points it out it should be obvious to anyone that knows my alignment for CERTAIN as I've already mentioned I think marv is town. No. Why on earth would that be obvious? Just no. People seem to pick up on way less and I never read blues well so yeah. On June 06 2015 07:47 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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We don't know what roles scum have. I'm not quite as convinced as you, more so because I see little reason for you to fakeclaim as scum here. Then again, Toad did do it in LX or whatever so I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely.
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I actually figured you already figured it out when you kept talking about how bad I looked yet never voted or actually pushed me. I don't doubt that a 3-player scumteam would figure it out themselves. Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me. On June 06 2015 07:40 yamato77 wrote:
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So you're banking on lynching claims in a closed setup?
Yeah, no. Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. How does lock and jail not make sense together? When marv pointed it out so strongly I figured it was obvious. At no point did you ever mention the word jail. Marvellosity had only ever mentioned that your usage of the word lock did not make sense with the phrase that you had said beforehand in regards to Mig. It is facetious that you could make us believe that mafia would be "onto you" from that phrase alone. The phrase jail had never existed with your posts up until you had claimed jailkeeper. Believe it or not, it's what I believed at the time and I still think it's likely I would've been found. There was also a certain amount of yolo involved given how slow the thread was going and I was bored. There is no reason to claim now if you think you would have been found. 0 reason. The only possible reason to claim is if you really thought you were getting lynched and I refuse to believe that a guy that has never been mislynched thinks he cannot avoid the lynch when he has 1 vote half way through day1. If you think you have maybe been found out you claim at the end of night 1 maybe but not earlier in case you have NOT been found out. There is no upside to claiming in your position as town. Sure there is; eliminating myself from the lynch pool and discussion so we can talk about people that can actually be mafia. Plus it caused the thread to actually get out of the drag. You are not bad enough to think that this is justification enough to claim this role. Nope. It is when you add in the fact that I thought and still think mafia knew already at that point. Whether you believe that or not is up to you. I don't.
Then vote me and be done with it. I've explained it from my side and if that doesn't convince you then there's no point continuing this exchange.
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