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On June 11 2015 04:40 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:28 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:26 fuba wrote:On June 11 2015 04:14 justanothertownie wrote:
That boxerfred post is so remarkably shit that I consider lynching him over fuba. You're quite a joy to play with. Not that I think I'm any better to play with, mind you, but for different reasons. Not sure how to respond to what's been said about me. I have absolutely no idea what chez was doing at all, because it definitely seemed to me as though he was saying that when he flipped, marv would be in trouble. That, along with the comment about millers, made me think he was claiming something (specifically cop). His play that day seemed to be from the perspective of a cop who had a red check on marv. I have a lot of trouble understanding how no one else at least caught glimpses of this. Actually, didn't someone say something about chez and mad hatters? Like "cut it out with this mad hatter shit" or something? Thought it was prplhz, but I didn't see it in his filter. Oh, it was mig. So at least one other person saw some sort of claim in chez's play. Guess that means I'm not completely insane. Well, the hatter thing was obviously because of the vid he posted where he said if he dies marv will also die. However there was no indication whatsoever that chez could be cop ever. And my thought was that he simply went a step farther. Once chez dies as cop, we will see that he was cop, and lend more proof to his read on marv. Obviously I was incorrect, but the fact that no one else even saw it as a possibility really confuses me.
In any case, I still don't see how it makes me scum. Like, I'm having trouble seeing my play this game from a scum perspective. Am I more likely to think chez is cop if I'm scum? Am I more likely to even lightly defend BF as scum (though that is a read I'll have to reexamine going into D3)? And given that everyone considers my reasons for reads to be shitty, why wouldn't I just make a shitty fake scumread on someone? Oh, and while I'm thinking about it, I didn't just take artanis's claim at face value. I thought about it for quite a while. So the only "absolute" thing I've said was about chez. And I still have trouble seeing why he would say/do those things as a VT.
Yes, yes you are more likely to believe people who you know are town are a role and it is also more likely that you defend them.
Explain to me why chez as cop would let himself be lynched when he has a redcheck on marv instead of saying that he has a goddamn redcheck and pushing for a marv lynch.
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On June 11 2015 04:46 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:36 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:32 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 04:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:07 boxerfred wrote:
Here you explain it. First sentence: what makes you so sure that NaCl's claim is a true one? That is a slight TMI call to me. You hide it nicely, talking about setup speculation which at this point is likely to keep everyone busy. However while you strongly doubt Artanis' claim, you don't put a second thought onto NaCl's claim being a fake one. Why not? Why are you so sure that his claim is real? Does it make that much sense for a Doctor to claim D1, even if Artanis' claim was fake for real (which is something that salty could not know). You're experienced, why didn't you identify that CC just as a play to test the waters (hell even I did that)?
Next you say, "the situation is the following". Holy hell it's D1 and you cannot possibly know what drives people to do what they do. Yet you construct a theory that is terribly wrong. Next bolded part: "Artanis had weak scum games in the past. Now he's pulling an absolutely sick move!" How does that make sense? Like: "meta says Artanis sucks as scum but I'm sure he's rocking it this time!"
This whole part makes no fucking sense with how boxerfred played day1. It does not compute. Yeah feels like I did what I said I'd do: post not so often but put more effort in my posts and think things out. Keep on not answering. You're my top vote by now. I don't care in the slightest. I am never getting lynched this game. You on the other hand just volunteered to be hanged day3. Cool so people can lynch you when I flip VT 
I am sorry to disappoint you but that is not how this works 
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On June 11 2015 05:02 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:43 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:40 fuba wrote:On June 11 2015 04:28 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:26 fuba wrote:On June 11 2015 04:14 justanothertownie wrote:
That boxerfred post is so remarkably shit that I consider lynching him over fuba. You're quite a joy to play with. Not that I think I'm any better to play with, mind you, but for different reasons. Not sure how to respond to what's been said about me. I have absolutely no idea what chez was doing at all, because it definitely seemed to me as though he was saying that when he flipped, marv would be in trouble. That, along with the comment about millers, made me think he was claiming something (specifically cop). His play that day seemed to be from the perspective of a cop who had a red check on marv. I have a lot of trouble understanding how no one else at least caught glimpses of this. Actually, didn't someone say something about chez and mad hatters? Like "cut it out with this mad hatter shit" or something? Thought it was prplhz, but I didn't see it in his filter. Oh, it was mig. So at least one other person saw some sort of claim in chez's play. Guess that means I'm not completely insane. Well, the hatter thing was obviously because of the vid he posted where he said if he dies marv will also die. However there was no indication whatsoever that chez could be cop ever. And my thought was that he simply went a step farther. Once chez dies as cop, we will see that he was cop, and lend more proof to his read on marv. Obviously I was incorrect, but the fact that no one else even saw it as a possibility really confuses me.
In any case, I still don't see how it makes me scum. Like, I'm having trouble seeing my play this game from a scum perspective. Am I more likely to think chez is cop if I'm scum? Am I more likely to even lightly defend BF as scum (though that is a read I'll have to reexamine going into D3)? And given that everyone considers my reasons for reads to be shitty, why wouldn't I just make a shitty fake scumread on someone? Oh, and while I'm thinking about it, I didn't just take artanis's claim at face value. I thought about it for quite a while. So the only "absolute" thing I've said was about chez. And I still have trouble seeing why he would say/do those things as a VT. Yes, yes you are more likely to believe people who you know are town are a role and it is also more likely that you defend them. Explain to me why chez as cop would let himself be lynched when he has a redcheck on marv instead of saying that he has a goddamn redcheck and pushing for a marv lynch. My thought was that trading a blue for a red would be a good thing. Why he wouldn't just say it is because he's chez. Why did he make a creepy deathnote video rather than just typing in the thread? Because he's chez. Why does he speak in riddles and keep talking about "themes" (whatever that means)? Because he's chez. I haven't done a thorough analysis of chez's play, but his behavior made sense in the way I've described it based on my rudimentary understanding of him. As for the first part of your response, that doesn't make sense. So I'm more likely to falsely believe someone is a blue role simply because I know they're town? And if I defend every townie because I know they're town, then how do I get any of them lynched? That's bullshit. And you skipped the last bit. If my reads are so flimsy and based on nonsense, then why don't I fake any scumreads? I could just be like, "I think mig is scum, his reads seem so fake", and that would be at least consistent. The answer is: because I'm being honest, and I'm town.
Because you don't "fake" reads as scum. You call them town because you know they are and you have a way easier time believing someone is blue instead of read when you know that he is not mafia. How can you even contest that?
And even if it is chez he still plays to win and if he had a redcheck he would not keep it to himself the whole day and then get lynched without claiming. No way chez would waste the opportunity to troll around with a redcheck during the day either.
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On June 11 2015 05:02 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:46 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:46 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 04:36 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:32 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 04:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:07 boxerfred wrote:
Here you explain it. First sentence: what makes you so sure that NaCl's claim is a true one? That is a slight TMI call to me. You hide it nicely, talking about setup speculation which at this point is likely to keep everyone busy. However while you strongly doubt Artanis' claim, you don't put a second thought onto NaCl's claim being a fake one. Why not? Why are you so sure that his claim is real? Does it make that much sense for a Doctor to claim D1, even if Artanis' claim was fake for real (which is something that salty could not know). You're experienced, why didn't you identify that CC just as a play to test the waters (hell even I did that)?
Next you say, "the situation is the following". Holy hell it's D1 and you cannot possibly know what drives people to do what they do. Yet you construct a theory that is terribly wrong. Next bolded part: "Artanis had weak scum games in the past. Now he's pulling an absolutely sick move!" How does that make sense? Like: "meta says Artanis sucks as scum but I'm sure he's rocking it this time!"
This whole part makes no fucking sense with how boxerfred played day1. It does not compute. Yeah feels like I did what I said I'd do: post not so often but put more effort in my posts and think things out. Keep on not answering. You're my top vote by now. I don't care in the slightest. I am never getting lynched this game. You on the other hand just volunteered to be hanged day3. Cool so people can lynch you when I flip VT I am sorry to disappoint you but that is not how this works No you're not
You got me - I am not. But if you get lynched and happen to be incredibly wrong town instead of scum then I will never get lynched for that.
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On June 11 2015 05:09 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 05:07 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 05:02 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 04:46 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:46 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 04:36 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:32 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 04:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:07 boxerfred wrote:
Here you explain it. First sentence: what makes you so sure that NaCl's claim is a true one? That is a slight TMI call to me. You hide it nicely, talking about setup speculation which at this point is likely to keep everyone busy. However while you strongly doubt Artanis' claim, you don't put a second thought onto NaCl's claim being a fake one. Why not? Why are you so sure that his claim is real? Does it make that much sense for a Doctor to claim D1, even if Artanis' claim was fake for real (which is something that salty could not know). You're experienced, why didn't you identify that CC just as a play to test the waters (hell even I did that)?
Next you say, "the situation is the following". Holy hell it's D1 and you cannot possibly know what drives people to do what they do. Yet you construct a theory that is terribly wrong. Next bolded part: "Artanis had weak scum games in the past. Now he's pulling an absolutely sick move!" How does that make sense? Like: "meta says Artanis sucks as scum but I'm sure he's rocking it this time!"
This whole part makes no fucking sense with how boxerfred played day1. It does not compute. Yeah feels like I did what I said I'd do: post not so often but put more effort in my posts and think things out. Keep on not answering. You're my top vote by now. I don't care in the slightest. I am never getting lynched this game. You on the other hand just volunteered to be hanged day3. Cool so people can lynch you when I flip VT I am sorry to disappoint you but that is not how this works No you're not You got me - I am not. But if you get lynched and happen to be incredibly wrong town instead of scum then I will never get lynched for that. If you turn out to be scum after the game I'll make you all remember that moment well if not you'll make me remember I guess
If you are town you will remember it yourself. There is no need for me to show you your failure afterwards.
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Mig, this is starting to get concerning. All you are doing is hiding behind a shit-tier case on me since day2. First it wasn't that bad because we were lynching chezinu anyways but this won't fly any longer. All the while you are conveniently ignoring the elephant in the room (boxerfred).
Your case on me boils down to things that are not about me. About how yamato acted towards me - I have no control about this and it is entirely possible that he goes soft on me because he knows that I tend to lynch him if he is scum (and that he cannot get me lynched anyways). I pushed him day1 in his last scumgame and only got off at the last second to lynch a teammate of his.
Not understanding why everyone is townreading me is no reason to scumread me. I have trouble believing you really went through my filter several times as town and found nothing that makes you think I am town. Either you are bsing or you are playing pretty terrible. People who are universally townread usually happen to be town just for that. And every good player in this game who played with me a lot townreads me. You brought Artanis post up. That was very early day1 and he clearly changed his mind later. Marv also read me as town which he never does if I am mafia.
Another point is vet balance. Even if we ignore that this is an absolute shit tier reason itself - bugs did not play or host or coach games since ages ago. He wouldn't even know how to balance his game. For him I am a new player. If we go with stupid arguments like this it would be much more likely that YOU are the scum vet.
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On June 11 2015 14:56 boxerfred wrote:
##vote JAT
I'm not even gonna defend myself, I played so bad.
Sure.
##Vote: boxerfred
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It is very possible that marv died because mig was in his poe scumlist and I called mig town earlier. If you want to push against me it is also very helpful to get rid of marv because with him in the game that will never work.
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Not that it will without him but if scum is dumb they might think it could.
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Another reason to kill marv is of course that I gave an ironclad reason for him to be town. Interestingly boxerfred asked me during the night why marv is town and when scum realizes that marv is unlynchable they shoot him. It is also a better shot than NaCl for example if boxer is scum and fuba is town because they might have thought NaCl would continue the fuba train today.
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If we lynch through this list:
Boxerfred, (Fuba), Mig
the game might be won already.
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On June 11 2015 18:34 Mig wrote:
Look JAT, if you are town then I am way off base and I am sorry. But you yourself told me you were good. I went and read aperture and even though you are saying that I shouldn't use that game to judge you by, I thought you played quite well in it. You seemed to work really hard there. I havent seen you work here at all. I have seen you be incredibly arrogant and just constantly announce how you are unlynchable while doing literally 0 scum hunting.
So if you are town maybe try and actually look at things from my perspective instead of getting all indignant and emotional.
If I am right and you are mafia feel free to continue to act this way.
If you tell me you read my filter several times and still say I did no scumhunting I will not continue this discussion with you. That is ridiculous. Especially since it is coming from you who has not done anything but a shit ass case on me since day1. Where is your scumhunting? All you do is push the most obvious towny in the game.
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On June 11 2015 18:22 Mig wrote:
If I am mafia and you were town why am I pushing you at all lol. Apparently I just pick the toughest targets possible. If I can't get you lynched my back up plan is NAcl!
Do you actually have any reason at all to think I am mafia or are you just talking complete shit because I am making a case against you?
Your case on me is more than enough to scumread you. Especially since it is your only contribution to this game since day1 and I know that you do not suck this hard as town.
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The argument that you are pushing a hard target is not valid anymore. You saw how well it worked when I called you town for it earlier. It is also a really oldschool thing to do to just shit on obvious townies as scum to create doubt. Let's assume boxerfred and you are scum or something similar. What else can you do but try to discredit the alive townleaders? If you do not manage to make town completely doubt each other you will just get lynched 1 by 1.
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On June 11 2015 18:43 Mig wrote:
It sounds to me like you aren't actually trying to consider whether I am town at all.
You are not giving me any reason to consider that.
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You are not "considering the possibility". You are voting me. Despite talking to me as if you know I am town.
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And I have no intention of being nice to you if you are pushing on me as scum or if you are being an idiot as town which are the only 2 possible worlds right now.
How about you do something productive instead and tell me why we should not lynch boxerfred? You seem to just ignore him and his wagon entirely.
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On June 11 2015 19:25 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 09:46 NaCl`y wrote:Rest in peace, dear marvellosity! ##vote boxerfredI know I made a lot of posts on Fuba being mafia and honestly he probably still is mafia! There is now someone else that I have a greater passion for lynching. Boxerfred. This is because of quite a few reasons and all of them are backed up simply by reading the game so I'll make this short and quoteless due to a lack of time.
Day 1: Boxerfred's play can be summarised on day 1 as simply going from clueless and spreading feelers in directions (such as on yamato briefly etc) to full on try hard and associative based on Yamato77 flipping mafia before he actually has (most damning). He also says Justanothertownie is his top town read going into night 1 for his reaction to the Artanis[Xp] situation etc. I feel like this was a disingenuous flip of "ability" to read people that simply didn't fit with his earlier playstyle. It conveniently kicked in when it was decided Yamato77 was the lynch anyway.
Day 2: Boxerfred meekly pushes VayneAuthority and is quite happy to use any excuse whatsoever to just disappear from it when provided with little evidence: On June 09 2015 19:33 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 19:31 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2015 19:29 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 19:28 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 19:27 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 19:23 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2015 19:22 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 19:21 marvellosity wrote:
the *point* is that you made the point about Chez *because* I questioned you on Vayne, so you turned it around to people talking or backing off Chez
one caused the other No. I did not make a point. I simply wrote about a fucking filter observation not coming to any conclusion or point. I came to that conclusion when you asked your questions 2 minutes ago. stop reading stuff into my posts that is not there. You made the fucking point to deflect off me questioning you on Vayne I don't see any reason to unvote someone who is not replying to pressure. Like, you all went on the Chez train because "oh he's not here" and now that he's here you start saying "nah he doesn't look so scummy anyways". I might do the same depending on his replies but as long as there are no replies, well why should I change my stance? "why would I unvote Vayne? Here! Look at what you guys are doing with Chez!" that was precisely your defence here. What the fuck. So I explained thoroughly why I am voting Vayne. Of course I am showing what you guys are doing on Chez since I feel like noone even cares to look at my points on Vayne. Did you even check my points on Vayne by now? No? Cool shit. I distinctly remember telling you that VA doing jackshit does not make him scum and that he tends to not give a fuck as town. I distinctly remember that I played one game of Mafia thus far here and can't tell if you're right. + Show Spoiler [VayneAuthority] +5 minutes of your time to confirm/deny jat Wow, such small filters. ##unvote Yes, it's a quote. I lied earlier. He then jumps on Chezinu because it was what everyone else was doing. Suddenly, Boxerfred makes a big case on Justanothertownie being mafia which contained all of the posts that Boxerfred said made Justanothertownie his top town on day 1. Note earlier when he dropped his VayneAuthority read based on people giving evidence to the opposite? Now this is not the case for Justanothertownie. Unfortunately I can't finish this due to time, will continue later. Look that's a solid town post, JAT, not the bullshit you're producing on the daily basis. I'd follow this case any day. It's a shame I played so dumb because I don't see me surviving this day anyway. However, JAT, look at such posts. They are towny. Your posts simply aren't, they are uncommiting rubbish. All the way down your filter. You're actively spitting out bullshit post after bullshit post.
It is funny that you are trying to educate your SCUMREAD how to play TOWN better.
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On June 11 2015 19:26 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 19:24 justanothertownie wrote:
And I have no intention of being nice to you if you are pushing on me as scum or if you are being an idiot as town which are the only 2 possible worlds right now.
How about you do something productive instead and tell me why we should not lynch boxerfred? You seem to just ignore him and his wagon entirely. wait wait wait I thought we lynch me eh? You said "WE ARE GOING TO LYNCH YOU DAY THREE" and now you want to hear reasons on why not to vote me? Haha sure bro start committing to something already -.- you're boring.
Are you dense? I want to know why mig does not want to lynch you. That in no way means that I do not want to lynch you. my vote on you should indicate as much.
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