Witchcraft Mini Mafia III

On June 08 2015 09:56 Breshke wrote:


I believe he is scumming you because you think someone is scum yet you arn't voting them.

On June 08 2015 23:27 LightningStrike wrote:

More likely town but you always are kinda weird though :o

On June 09 2015 08:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
How many games is "a lot", BM? Give me a number.

On June 09 2015 08:57 Bill Murray wrote:

scumposting

On June 10 2015 03:06 Bill Murray wrote:
shockeyy is so town

On June 10 2015 03:20 LightningStrike wrote:
I just got home and got a question:

Maybe one of the lurkers because the game is pretty inactive and there might be potential mafia in there as much I hate policy lynching lurkers it might be out best shot hitting scum :\

On June 10 2015 03:26 LightningStrike wrote:

Idk maybe shock since he haven't done much except posting like 2 huge posts that's all I can remember of him.
##Vote: ShoCkeey

On June 10 2015 03:26 LightningStrike wrote:

Idk maybe shock since he haven't done much except posting like 2 huge posts that's all I can remember of him.
##Vote: ShoCkeey

On June 10 2015 04:59 batsnacks wrote:
I think we should all vote stutters unless he comes back and towns himself. If stutters does come back to town himself we can switch to LS at the last minute. This plan assumes town is cool enough to not afk and accidentally no lynch.

On June 10 2015 05:04 The Shining wrote:


Two different people that aren't Bill Murray...

On June 10 2015 05:01 FreezingFoot wrote:


Why do you make a case on Bill Murray but proposes a lynch on two different people?

On June 10 2015 05:05 batsnacks wrote:


My bill case relies on unflipped associations. I think bugs could be mafia for what bm said and I think bm could be mafia for what I said but I don't want to lynch either of them over stutters and LS is being weird.

On June 10 2015 05:29 batsnacks wrote:


Yes meta and unflipped associations. I said bill as mafia likes to make big, possibly high risk, high reward plays. If you and bugs are town, that would qualify. I do not know that you and bugs are town, in fact I wouldn't be shocked if bugs were mafia for what bill said. I did think the case was worth posting though.

On June 10 2015 06:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright, done throwing a tantrum and I'm going to play to my win condition now. Before I move on, though, one thing is clear:

LS IS STILL THE BEST LYNCH. We need to consolidate quickly or we risk no-lynching. Possibly worse, we risk lynching into a player who hasn't even done anything yet, on pure policy. Yes, lurkers are bad. Yes, lynching lurkers is nice, but ONLY when you have no decent alternative.

This game is actually not as bad as ones I've been in before, given that BM is BM and probably scum anyway, and he's the major reason this game sucks (because there happen to be some people who somehow agree with his shit logic)

To give you an idea of what you are sheeping if you agree with BM, just take a look at this gem:





anyway there's not much else to say about BM other than he's probably one of the bottom 3 players on this forum regardless of this alignment, and of all the talk of policy lynching in this game is probably the only player who is consistently worthy of one. From my recollection his town play is actually not this cringy so perhaps I am being a little overzealous here, but I do not ever recall a time where I found BM adequately established his own innocence or provided anything useful in terms of scumhunting. Let's leave it at that-I doubt that anyone is willing to lynch BM today but we'll need to lynch him to win the game eventually.

As for why LS is still the best lynch for today:

1. LS continues to exhibit one of the most classic scum traits. A lack of effort, even under pressure.

To give you an idea, his "meta case" on me being town was completely inaccurate. Here are the things he said:



Jesus, can this be more obvious? Look how many words he uses to say almost completely worthless things. Who cares if LS has town reads? They are not even substantiated by anything. Which questions did I ask of other players in previous games? How is my formatting similar, and what the hell does that have to do with alignment? Which games of mine did he read and why does he not provide concrete examples here?

Another good question to ask would be why he never mentions yamato or tries to convince people to vote yamato after voting yamato himself. In his town games LS generally tends to do this. He asks other people about the reads he has at that moment, just like any other townie would do. Instead, LS quickly moves off yamato after yamato enters the thread (and until yamato entered the thread LS made no effort to convince anyone of his supposed read, which had to be one of the meekest things I've ever seen)

The part that proves LS is full of shit is this post:



I am NOT lurky as scum. I am far from it, and some of my most post-heavy games have been as scum. I am constantly on the attack and I lead lynches as either alignment. I also make cases regardless of alignment. Look at Storm Mafia, Mini Mafia X, My Little Pony, Couples Therapy, Arkham City or Space Station and tell me in which of those games I lurked. In fact, I don't think I've ever lurked when playing mafia on this forum.



Again, meekness. Look at how little LS wants to strike a confrontation with someone.

This is so obvious in his vote patterns too. Votes someone, then completely backs off almost immediately at the first sign of resistance.

Can anyone tell me what LS's opinions are this game? Can you tell me, based on those opinions, what the reasons are?

Who does LS think is scum and who has LS actually pushed? I certainly can't answer any of these questions without reading LS's posts, and every time I read them I discover gems like these:



A constant barrage of worry from LS about where his vote's going to end up.

The scum translation of this is: "Hey guys I'm totally not scum so when this dude ends up flipping town please don't blame me, this is my warning to you that I actually don't have a really good reason for voting this dude but I'm going to do it anyway because I have to and please don't hurt me after"

just kill him

On June 10 2015 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote:


If no one was questioning if bats was town what the fuck is the point of saying he's town

On June 10 2015 07:13 wherebugsgo wrote:


nah

that was a very interesting reaction though.

Care to respond about Shockey or are you actually scum?

On June 10 2015 07:15 wherebugsgo wrote:


maybe.

Why is he not defending himself if he's town?

On June 10 2015 07:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
oh god I'm nervous

On June 10 2015 07:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
also at various points in this game I have disagreed with basically everyone. In particular, Kickstart.

Yet, I don't think he is scum. How do you explain that, bats?

On June 10 2015 07:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
also at various points in this game I have disagreed with basically everyone. In particular, Kickstart.

Yet, I don't think he is scum. How do you explain that, bats?

On June 10 2015 07:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
god damn

it's hard to tell whether FF/bats just have cold feet/legitimately believe what they are saying or whether one or both of them is scum here

I prefer bats' approach but FF's response seems fishy

On June 10 2015 07:50 wherebugsgo wrote:
obviously your only choice is to take my opinion at face value, because I could certainly be under the effects of confirmation bias, especially since I knew his roles going into reading those posts. However I think the differences in tone, emotion, style, and specificity are enough for me to be confident that this is not his town game, even if he did get mislynched for what you think is a similar style. Sorry, but you're most likely just wrong.

On June 10 2015 09:07 wherebugsgo wrote:


what?

It may have no effect only if the RB hits the priest.

I don't think scum are ballsy enough to both deliver the KP and a silver bullet on the same player (if they choose to fire a silver bullet tonight). If they try to snipe a blue tonight they almost certainly will use both players to deliver KP, otherwise if the witch hunter gets RBed both of their KPs fail

I am 99% sure I play better scum than you and let me be frank when I say a DT check would not scare me in this setup nearly as much as an RB or a jailkeeper prot.

On June 10 2015 09:25 wherebugsgo wrote:


this is not a contest. I am a crap townie and I'm pretty decent at scum, which is why I am very confident in the situation I described to you, but I was not very confident in the end that LS would flip scum.

Even if the bullet gets refunded you are potentially keeping a townie alive for another cycle at least because a silver bullet during a half cycle results in a flip (if it is successful) at the end of said half cycle.

In other words if you RB the witch hunter successfully the target ends up living for the next day to push lynches with you. That's almost equivalent to saving them as a medic/JK. The only difference is that the RB can actually directly stop normal KP delivery, which in this game is incredibly useful because a JK on a good townie can actually prevent a blue usage.

Now of course saving that townie is more valuable than the blue usage but it's better to have more townies alive for longer than it is to rely on things like DT checks.

DT is only good in best case scenario. RB is good even in not so good scenario, simply because the number of scummers is so low. Remember a green DT check doesn't mean shit, it's only the red one that matters.

On June 10 2015 09:03 batsnacks wrote:
What if all 3 morph? That seems really good considering 1 silver bullet left.

On June 10 2015 09:35 wherebugsgo wrote:


If scum attempt to blue snipe then morph is useless. Morph gets better after the silver bullet is definitely used, so if two townies die or if a townie flips at the end of a day without getting lynched then morph becomes better.

My problem with morph probably stems from my own style of play because it's a relatively complacent thing to do unless you are really really sure you will eat the scum KP for some reason. At least if you are JK or RB you have a chance of stopping something else if you get blue sniped, which is fairly likely for someone who thinks they are townie enough to get shot.

I personally as scum would blue snipe the person I think is the top townread in the thread simply because it is so overwhelmingly likely that they are blue. The only thing that saves them at that point is an RB on the witch hunter, which again is not possible if people morph instead.

On June 18 2015 09:44 Blazinghand wrote:


This is also true of, say, any setup with a Cop though. Imagine it's 7-1 LYLO-3 and a cop claims a red-check on you. You could CC, sure, but even if the cop gets lynched first, you still lose.

On June 18 2015 09:45 Blazinghand wrote:


uh, what