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I can't /in for about a week though. Man. | ||
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Kickstart and Breshke I think are town. I actually like Freezing's response. For the Great Smurf Debate of 2015 I don't care if Freeze outs or not. personally, I'm happy if he/she doesn't. Obviously, she's doing it for a reason pre-game. I don't get why you want to ruin that for them. Anyway, anyone still around? | ||
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On June 08 2015 15:15 FreezingFoot wrote: I am. What did you like in my response? Why do you think Breshke is town? What do you think of bugs? I think you feel confident town won't lynch you for a stupid policy reason as you won't out as a smurf. I think Mafia would be more concerned with killing suspicion as soon as possible instead of drawing it out. Forcing your identity out is more a dick move to me. And really even if you did, I think it would derail the thread for longer determining if you are lying or not. Breshke and I think a lot alike. Reading his interaction and his vote on you I can see doing the same thing he did if I were here in the beginning. I'm all for fabricating a policy reason to push someone and then throwing a vote on a person to increase the pressure. You've responded and now there is information from the pressure vote. So, now it's time for WBG to move on. This is my 5th game I think. Everytime there is someone who is a little "angry" or insulty they are usually scum. So maybe a bad heuristic, but if I had to vote now, it would be on WBG, but I'll see if he gets out of this silly tunnel. | ||
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1. Chezinu rules. I worship the brown. LightningStrike basically same rule. 2. Flat wrong on the smurf issue and continues to bring it up. Town points to the person who understands the massive town advantage to having FreezingFoot be someone like townHolyflare. Bugs is NK1 hunting. Why would he ask who he should suck up to and who sucks? 3. Pretty often tunnelled towns help dig their own grave. If can't out him, easy mlynch. 4. After a couple people town Foot (sorry reading FF makes me think of Fecalfeast) he posts "oooh look I have 5 townreads! I'm just like YOU GUYS!" 5. Bill Mother Fucking Murray. | ||
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There is another instance where smurfing is beneficial to this town. We tend to rely a lot on meta. So, what happens when someone's meta is do nothing town, but try hard mafia and they want to change that? Or a chance to see if they can. Like, I'd lynch Onegu in an instant if he try harded. | ||
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On June 09 2015 13:49 Breshke wrote: 1. Can you tell me why LS is town 2. Why wouldnt he ask his partners in the mafia QT instead of the thread 3. I don't understand who is the tunneled town 4. the FF thing is totally happening with me aswell i vote we call him foot. He has backed up his reads though do any of the seem fake to you? I don't know if LS is town or not. No real idea. I wasn't playing but I read his last couple games while they were playing and I feel he's much more obvious D2/3. 2. I don't really understand your comment. His scummates won't know anybetter than him? 3. FreezingFoot was the tunneled town, but he didn't play into it. He responded really well. And Bugs switched to LS as soon as he saw it wasn't going to gain traction. 4. I think Foot is town. | ||
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I just read the postgame to Carnival where Rsoultin won as mafia. In it in the late game she pointed out that she usually dies N1/2 if she is town. That got me thinking too, since when I was scum with her, we killed Holyflare 2 hours after he subbed in just because he was TownHolyflare. So, that turned on a lightbulb that made me think of why it's in town's interest not to out the smurf. And why it's so beneficial to mafia if the smurf outs. | ||
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On June 09 2015 14:05 Breshke wrote: 1. Okay so you say WBG is mafia because he is going after the low hanging fruit that is LS. But that only applies if LS is town. So if you don't think LS is town I don't think you can make this read. 2. You say he is nightkill hunting by asking who is good and who isnt im asking why would he ask this in the thread instead of the mafia QT. 3.Oh by "tunneled" you mean someone who is being tunneled on. Okay this still doesn't make me think bugs is mafia. 4. Did you see his link to his reads page. He actually thinks foot is town as well. 1. I don't think he's mafia either though? And Chezinu literally did this in his champions game against his mafia mate. 2. I don't mean he's nightkill hunting by asking what people think would be the best town. I think it's what's on his mind. His push on Foot has three benefits to him if he is mafia. 1. it makes him appear town (pushing thread/conversation, and getting information), if he drives hard into someone often time these people fold and look scummy for a mlynch, outs the smurf he can decide with more accurate information who to kill AND this will likely generate more jubjubing from town deciding if the smurf lied or not. He sees the push on Foot doesn't have traction and people are towning him, so he posts "oh I have 5 town reads! this was totes productive! I'm so TOWN!" Then knows that he can't just kill a lurker, he goes after LS who is well LS. I don't know how you guys write notes, but uh I don't use sentences I use code words to remind me. Otherwise I would run out. He made it all pretty and nice to read for us. bleh Also, I don't like martyrs. | ||
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On June 09 2015 13:59 FreezingFoot wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote:Shockey I've being extremely busy today. Just got home. Did a quick skim in the thread. I've read bugs spread sheet and his reads felt genuine (with the exception of Breshke), reevaluating most of them accordingly to thread progression + I'm not willing to lynch the biggest filter day1 + him being upset with lack of activity feels true (I don't think scum would fuck off like he did when he is the main wagon). He may still be scum but this is enough to let him live another day. We already have a lot of information from him and we can deal with him later, if that is the case. I prefer to have him around day2 than any other scummy person who has few to almost no post at all. I'm willing to reread Shockey but I think Bugs is mafia. His play reminds me of Geript in Joats where his plan was to shit up the thread, disrupt the big names, and position himself in a leadership role. I must have missed it, why's Shockey scummier? He has only 1-2 posts doesn't he? Also, I don't want to see them or anything, but when you take notes, do you use full sentences? | ||
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On June 09 2015 03:47 FreezingFoot wrote: I'm slightly scumreading Shockey because I think these two posts doesn't go along: Votes randomly, gives town passes for both KS and Breshke out of openings, unreasonably votes with BM, throws this half ass intention of lynching a smurf but not actually wanting just because I'm active, giving no actual reason behind this statement. Thing is, I'm basically guilty of all this too. I town both KS and Bresh, I really like BM, and if I were around at the beginning I probably would have pressure voted you too. | ||
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If Bugs isn't going to be lynched I'm fine with waiting D2 for more information reasons. I'd vote Onegu. I'd feel dirty if he is scum and told us and we didn't believe him. | ||
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On June 09 2015 15:18 FreezingFoot wrote: You can see it the other way around Would Onegu, a guy that loves to play as mafia, refrain from claiming VT just to get town read? Most of the scum reads on him are because of this VT thing and I'm not sure why this is being taken so seriously. I would go as far as to say I think he is playing more similar to his town meta than his scum meta. He is being useless/uninterested, which is exactly how he plays as town I'm not so sure it's being taken that serious. When I talk about him in my last couple posts its in relation to having the choice of the lurkers/plynched. I completely agree that Onegu is useless and uninterested and that's his typical town game. I even mentioned earlier how I would lynch a try hard Onegu. But compared to 2 other players who between the two have 5 posts...the no claim thing is as good as any heuristic. | ||
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I want to lynch Bugs make no mistake about it. IF we are going to policy lynch I'll possibly vote for Onegu, Shockey or Stutters. I've already said why on Onegu, I'd prefer Stutters over Shock simply if we are doing a policy then might as well do the lurkiest. @BM I think it doesn't benefit town as much if a player with a strong town rep wants to smurf and play lazy. Other than they will survive (OH MY GOD I MUST KNOW FOOT IS A HYDRA!!!!) night 1. Course I kinda think that they won't be able to help themselves and still solve the game D2/3 which is also good for town. Anyway, off to work but will be checking in periodically. | ||
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Pure Policy. Bill, my points about the smurf is that there are several scenarios where it is beneficial to town to not know the smurf's identity. There are also some that benefit mafia. Bugs only considers 1 such scenario and has pushed it pretty consistently. So far no town points to anyone who sees the benefits to have a Holyflare type player smurfing. Both if he wanted to try hard or not. See that, and you'll see why it's beneficial to mafia to out the smurf. | ||
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