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FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 22:48 GMT
#763
Fuck this

After LS flips green, lynch BM and if he flips red, lynch bugs for calling him mafia but refusing with all his guys to lynch Bill
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 22:50 GMT
#772
On June 10 2015 07:47 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 07:46 Kickstart wrote:
Bill don't tell who you vote to get powers. Christ. Mafia has 2 silver bullets they can use anytime to instakill ppl who got powers through the witchcraft votes.

kickstart, you really think it isn't obvious WBG is going to get powers?


LOL LOOK AT THIS SHIT!!! AAAARGH
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 22:55 GMT
#790
On June 10 2015 07:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 07:43 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 10 2015 07:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 10 2015 07:37 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 10 2015 07:33 Kickstart wrote:
foot that makes no sense. If he is scum he would shut the fuck up and not give too much info. ESPECIALLY IF NO OTHER SCUM ARE ON HIM TO LAST MINUTE MOVE OFF. But that may or may not be the case. Anways I find his lack of giving us stuff to work with scummy (why I voted him) now that he is still not giving anything when he is set to be lynched seems even scummier to me. Maybe that is how he plays, but I find it odd and I would do the opposite.


Dude look how carelessly every other lurkers parked their vote on LS. Look how easily his wagon was formed in the end of the day. It is OBVIOUS this is a mislynch.

Look how HARD it is to get Bill lynched EVEN when EVERYTHING he does is scummy.

I find hard to believe a scum would let himself get lynched instead of fighting that lynch into someone else. I find easier to a town to just get enough of a game and simply don't give a fuck anymore, since everything he says is turning against him, anyway.


Really?

Other lurkers also parked their votes on stutters. And on BM at times too!

Also how do you get that expectation from this dude? Emotionally I don't get that impression from LS. Even if he did, wouldn't he provide a scumread at some point? Do you think LS's town play is so weak that he is incapable of coming up with ONE scumread in 48 hours?

At various times over the past two days I've skimmed like half of his town games, and in none of them do I see a situation where he has absolutely no scumreads whatsoever. He doesn't appear to me the type of player who is wildly afraid of putting their finger of suspicion on someone like he is this game and in other games in which he has turned up scum.


LS in game of thrones mafia played similarly and got mislynched by town Holyflare who made a very convincing case on him. This IS how LS plays.

If you think BM plays suboptimally regardless of alignment, if you ACTUALLY read LS's town games, you would KNOW this is his usual gameplay. It's as suboptimally as BM's. Why the double standards?


This is not GoT mafia, and I actually read that game and completely disagree. I would have read him as town that game simply because of posts like these:

Show nested quote +
On April 17 2015 05:10 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 17 2015 04:51 GlowingBear wrote:
OH GEEZ UHM ACTUALLY
It's not a Mafia qt it's a, uh, "special obs qt"

lies. You and Artanis Mafia now who is your unnamed partner?


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On April 17 2015 09:55 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 17 2015 09:42 GlowingBear wrote:
LS, thoughts on my case please

You're mafia. Otherwise I would just policy lynch sicklucker Day 3 out


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On April 17 2015 10:51 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 17 2015 10:39 sicklucker wrote:
ls has not tried to read me for like 9 games now. whatever hes pretty scummy

I do it just much later in the game and we were scum together in Guardians you know I hate playing scum and very happy I rolled town for the first time since XXX.....................................................


He admits he's happy he rolled town (which we know is true BECAUSE HE FLIPPED TOWN) which means he would put in effort as town.

He's not putting jack shit in for effort here in this game.

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On April 17 2015 10:55 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 17 2015 08:51 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 17 2015 02:21 sicklucker wrote:
Guys I got an idea. Lets lynch artanis unless he proves hes town. Because a scum artanis will roll over and die!

artanis[xp]

This is sort of revenge for when you left me as a solo mafia one game ;p


I didn't like this post because it sounded very forced and it is useless when he started to inquire WoS for talking about unrelated and not game-solving focused posting. Feels like an unsuccessful effort to appear natural

On April 17 2015 07:26 sicklucker wrote:
I think its terrible. Ill just vote gb because hes being a prick and voting a town and ill probably never figure him out

Uncalled for, Unreasonable justification just to call himself a town. Uncharacteristic since his common town stance is "leave it to me, I've got all figured out!"

On April 17 2015 08:17 sicklucker wrote:
im just happy to omgus untill one of us are dead. Makes the game more enjoyable to me


Unreasonable ranting, specially towards a game that is slow but nothing bad to call it terrible and to omgus for fun. Just an excuse to vote.

Conclusion: SL is Mafia

Sicklucker can do your 2nd point regarding the "leave it to me I got all figured out" as both alignments. Point #1 was regarding Student VI when both Artanis and Sicklucker rolled scum together and Artanis gave up Day 2 idk how it seems forced? 3rd point yeah it might be unreasonable ranting but I kinda hate how slow the game is. I think it's easier to read sicklucker as either alignment around Day 2 to Day 3 area when it becomes painfully obvious when he's scum.


Look at how specific he is in these responses. There is no vagueness, and the tone is confident. He points out how he thinks sicklucker is wrong on a particular point, and he provides specific reasoning as to his opinions.

Compare that to this shit:

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On June 09 2015 05:53 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay bugs is totes town he got very similar formatting and stuff to his latest town games to his scum games and his line of questioning to FreezingFoot is also similar how did his line of questioning in his town games. Also Bugs I do tend to do that hey I will be back later stuff a lot regardless of my alignment Also I truly was bored on the smurf debate mainly because it isn't exactly important to know who the smurf is although would be helpful for meta purposes :o Now that the game isn't focused on the great smurf debate I also got a meta read on bats being town he always a interesting person I just hope he doesn't lynch himself again :O Onegu haven't done much so null on him meta wise.


there's no specificity here. His responses to other players are also very similar in tone and style.

Also when LS is about to die in GoT here's his response

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On April 18 2015 07:15 LightningStrike wrote:
BTW I wont be posting for the rest of the day phase it just bullshit I going to get lynched because Unholyflare got a case on me when noone else brought a case on someone being scum.


He calls it bullshit.

He has emotion here, and it has clearly escalated.

And this as well:

Show nested quote +
On April 18 2015 07:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 18 2015 07:10 Holyflare wrote:
On April 18 2015 07:07 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 18 2015 07:05 Holyflare wrote:
On April 18 2015 07:00 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 18 2015 06:58 Holyflare wrote:
guaewgwehugewhgujwehew LS IS DEFENDING ANOTHER PERSON GUYS

You know I defend people regardless of my alignment had you forgotten how I play as Town?


You say you're only going to use meta when it's 100% right yet you defend all of these afk people using meta when you have no idea whether it's true or not. Palmar fake claiming a role (he's 100% done this as mafia before, heavyweight championship (2 or 3?) being one of them, although at a different time and circumstance completely but regardless your meta read on him is incomplete and it's scummy that you just flat out use it to defend him when he hasn't really done much at all. Saying he's an "uncc'd blue" is silly since you've seen a plethora of people claim roles d1 as mafia. GB literally just did it last game (ongoing so w/e).

It just looks like you have far too much information to defend all of these people. It looks like you're trying to be "TOO right" with it to the extent where you just only believe what you write and nothing to the contrary because you know their alignments. You do a lot of ONLY defending and not much pushing people who are scum. You use all of these metas to defend and none of the meta to attack. This can be seen when you show your list with like 6 null people on it and your 1 scum read is VA who has the exact same reason to be scum as all your people on your null list but is in fact in your scum list. It can also be seen with your GB read where you town read him but post hesitance in that read at the same time.

You don't use meta to pick out these scum reads and null reads and say he does this as town or mafia or whatever. Only defending.

If I get lynched you better flip Scum because your push on me reminding me of your push on 27ninjabunnies in Carol............................................


On March 20 2015 01:06 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 20 2015 01:00 rsoultin wrote:
On March 20 2015 00:59 rsoultin wrote:
On March 19 2015 23:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Also rsoultin!
+ Show Spoiler +
I added you on LoL on my Level 6 smurf on NA fyi


+ Show Spoiler +
what was the name? me and my lazy week lol i'll prob be playing today ^^


nvm found it ^^

hey, LS, i think this time you should sheep me, boyo

also, totes not important but since you asked, eden, yes we've discussed my age before xP 26

+ Show Spoiler +
It was Bladezzz4
I willing to sheep HF but if Rayn flips town it might go full Carol O_o


On March 21 2015 21:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I woke up. Holyflare it's because I was townreading Bill despite his short filter but I liked some of his stuff esp his questions towards Eden when he was here. The fact that you were so certain he was scum kinda reminds me of our time in Carol when you thought 27ninjabunnies was Mafia when she was a Miller that game and was lackluster after that lynch. Also when I said it had be 1 at least 1 of you 3 being Mafia you don't look as bad as Rayn and Palmar esp because of their switches to BM esp they weren't giving much reasons to switch.


On March 21 2015 22:10 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 21 2015 21:55 Holyflare wrote:
On March 21 2015 21:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I woke up. Holyflare it's because I was townreading Bill despite his short filter but I liked some of his stuff esp his questions towards Eden when he was here. The fact that you were so certain he was scum kinda reminds me of our time in Carol when you thought 27ninjabunnies was Mafia when she was a Miller that game and was lackluster after that lynch. Also when I said it had be 1 at least 1 of you 3 being Mafia you don't look as bad as Rayn and Palmar esp because of their switches to BM esp they weren't giving much reasons to switch.


if you thought this then why on earth did you ask me a question about why i wanted to lynch bm!?!?!?!? you should KNOW why i wanted to lynch bm if you think it looked like carol????????????????

I mean the way the lynch looked like the way 27Ninajabunnies lynch in Carol. Also you brought up that he was likely lurky Mafia and sometimes people just have a bad game and BM had a game here regardless of their pregame stuff.


Please don't make it too easy. This is your filter in guardians when you were mafia and said the exact same stuff.

Well be damned then just lynch me then.



You don't see any of that here, he just slinks off.


Oh. I can see what you're saying, now.

Now that you quoted those posts, I can actually see the difference between them.

But I am not sure if this is enough to form a scum read on him, especially when you think of how his wagon was easily formed.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 22:56 GMT
#796
In other words, I still think this is gonna be a mislynch.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 23:09 GMT
#817
lol...

I have no words...
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 23:46 GMT
#863
On June 10 2015 08:42 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Fcking rekt. Well, that puts bugs as a townie in my reads. FF, why should you not be lynched next?


Because I'm town
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 23:47 GMT
#866
On June 10 2015 08:46 Bill Murray wrote:
pretty sure FF is mafia the way she flailed when i joked with her


Still not rsoultin
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 09 2015 23:49 GMT
#867
On June 10 2015 08:47 Kickstart wrote:
Pretty sure you are both mafia. Bussing wont help you now baddie.


K
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 10 2015 17:41 GMT
#1012
I am back. Catching up
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 10 2015 19:59 GMT
#1017
LOL I have no patience to catch up with this properly.

I've skimmed very quickly, and I think that bugs is town because I don't think he would come back to the thread when things weren't clear and hard push a scum partner to get him lynched.

I think tubesock isn't mafia for the way he is answering you, bugs. He is putting a lot of effort into those answers. As mafia, he wouldn't need to do that at night unless he is afraid of being a target of witchcraft. I haven't read him properly, though. He sounded townie to me on day1.

I think Bill is mafia for trying to vote Stutters right at the end. It was completely antitown and I don't see it coming from town perspective. I mean, if the lynch is decided and he thinks it's better to lynch someone and places his vote on LS, why trying to change it to the town target who is about to be modkilled? It looked to me like a failed attempt of getting a no-lynch.

I don't know what to do with batsnacks, his posts seems fluid/trollish like his normal townplay, but his vote on LS looked opportunistic to me. I can see him doing that to gain town cred (even with bill's unvote, LS had 7 votes before batsnacks got back to him). And it worked.

Kickstart was a town read but I hated his reaction post-lynch. His hypeness felt forced and he threw all his reads to make associative ones. For example, he is reading me as scum because I hard defended LS, and isn't dropping it for anything. More than that, he is completely just calling me scum without actually looking through the rest of my gameplay, without actually trying to engage in a conversation with me (like bugs is doing).
His associative reads feels very opportunistic to me, specially to call me (his townread) scum and bats totally town. Unflipped association: I can see batsnacks and kickstart being scum if Bill isn't. His reads based solely on the lynch is the easiest shit for mafia to follow on.

I think Breshke is very lackluster and has a good shot on being scum if those I've just said aren't. You can say his posts are fluid, and I agree, but I don't remember anything of importance that he did in this game. He is basically talking to people and taking no stance.

Yamato is probably town after his big post. I remember him playing as mafia. He once didn't send KP because he was disinterested in the game. I'd rather give him the benefit of doubt for now.

Shockey is completely lackluster and could still be scum.

Onegu is being Onegu. We either policy lynch him or let him live until later. I have this thing of not wanting to lynch him based on his standard gameplay as either alignment, but I did the same thing to LS. I can't read these people although I have some hints that he might be town (he is completely useless in this game, which is usually his town meta - when he is scum he actually influences the thread to the direction he wants)

PS: I also think Kickstart looks bad for looking at only that I hard defended a scum but forgetting that I tried all day long to lynch Bill who is his strongest scumread, and putting us in the same team. He is basically saying that I was hard defending my scum mate to lynch my other scum mate when the second wagon up to lynch was also town (Stutters).

I think I forgot noone.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 10 2015 20:05 GMT
#1025
Anyway I will keep posting as FreezingFoot for filter diving purposes
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 10 2015 20:15 GMT
#1028
Dude you're saying that I would instantly bus BM because he would get lynched anyway. Please read this sentence again. You're not analysing things and calling me scum. You're calling me scum THEN you're misrepresenting EVERYTHING to fit your read.
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 10 2015 20:22 GMT
#1032
-.-
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 10 2015 20:23 GMT
#1033
On June 11 2015 05:20 Kickstart wrote:
Well sure at the moment I'm not analyzing anything because I been up 30 hours and don't care too atm. But reads remain the same from earlier anyways. bill/foot/tube scummy.


All I've read here is "maybe you're right, but here is an excuse, I'll keep calling you scum because I don't know how to proceed".
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 11 2015 02:30 GMT
#1059
On June 11 2015 10:39 Breshke wrote:
I kinda would rather lynch tube. His stuff during the night on bugs kind of made me think he was town because it was so out there and just wrong to me. Yet when I look at it again he just doesn't reconsider and has this blind confidence that he is right. He also has zero thought about anyone else seemingly.

##Vote Tubesock

I also think it would be beneficial if people who voted kickstart for the PR thing claim so we can see if he was empowered or not.



I voted for him
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 11 2015 02:59 GMT
#1064
On June 11 2015 11:38 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 11:36 yamato77 wrote:
On June 11 2015 11:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
Holy shit I am alive

I think mafia may have wasted a silver bullet on me

Why do you think that?


Kickstart seems like a random person to kill.

He was very suspicious of both BM and tube, but so was I. Maybe they expected me to get protted or maybe they shot us both but the one on me failed because they used the WH shot. Impossible to tell obviously but I wouldn't have put it past them


Do you really think this is what happened?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 11 2015 03:04 GMT
#1067
On June 11 2015 10:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Fuck it. Let's see where this get's us.

##vote Onegu


Can you tell me what are your reads right now and why you want to lynch someone completely out of discussion?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 11 2015 03:13 GMT
#1069
On June 11 2015 07:52 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Welp that explains Foot's play style, just like in the mini mafia I played in before, the small responses and caps lock posts late into the game. I should of seen it's definitely is town play from GB.

Foot, who do you think should be next?
Onegu, your thoughts, you haven't really said much this game which makes me worry about you at this point.


I've just saw this post.
I started believing kickstart was mafia and I would be going after him today. Turns out he is green.

Now I am reevaluating BM, I'll have to dive him again. I still have to read tube sock properly, tho.
I think you have a very good shot in being scum too. Again, your play is very lackluster in here.

I'm not sure I agree with bugs regarding Breshke. I don't think there is a town behaviour behind his posts. Could you please exemplify it for me, bugs?
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 11 2015 03:16 GMT
#1071
On June 11 2015 12:12 Breshke wrote:
Also glowingfoot one of reasons for towning tube during the night is the fact that he put in effort

I know this is something you attribute to townie behavior from your coaching of me and I agree that it is townie. But when you look at what he was actually pushing I don't think it was very constructive at all. Even if he thinks bugs is mafia shouldn't there be at least some doubt in his mind? I don't see how he can be scum reading bugs so hard so it makes his lack of doubt in his read even weirder.

Also can people go back and read tube's "cheznu rule" thing he had about LS which initally made him vote bugs. At the time it felt very awkward to me because he neither townread nor scumread LS yet called him low hanging fruit and that bugs was mafia for pushing on him (i assume this is the correct interpretation of the cheznu rule). The read just seems so out of place because i still don't uncerstand how you call someone low hanging fruit (which to me basically means an easy misslynch) when you don't have a read on them. It all jsut seemed a really contrived way to try deflect off of LS.


I will have to take a look at it more in depth. Gonna do that tomorrow
But I can understand him calling LS "low hanging fruit" when null reading him. I mean, if he was a town read, he wouldn't be a low hanging fruit in the first place
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 11 2015 17:12 GMT
#1171
On June 11 2015 14:39 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 13:04 wherebugsgo wrote:
I actually think the shining could be the missing link we are looking for

Something bothers me about the way that dude posts and it probably means he is scum.


Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 14:34 Tubesock wrote:
On June 11 2015 14:28 yamato77 wrote:
Don't talk about WBG anymore, it's just clogging the thread with incessant arguing.

If you're town, you should look into at least one other player and give a solid read. I know you think BM is town for whatever reason but what do you think about Shockey or The Shining?


ShoCkeyy I like a lot more than The Shining. I will be fine killing The Shining until he try hards like I have seen him before. He can make good cases and contribute. I give him a D1 pass since I believe he doesn't find D1's useful without deaths. Even now though I think he is underperforming what I expect of him as town.


Lmao you two would rather kill me than each other. So who gets blamed for the mislynch? And who looks worse since you'd both be voting with your scumreads?


I was reading the thread and saw this.

This is so fucking odd. A whole discussion is going on between bugs and tube sock and the shining focuses on the faint suspicions both players had on him. He is too self aware to the point of calling this out to say he is town ("who gets blamed for the mislynch?"). It's something a town doesn't usually give a shit or aren't aware until it happens
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