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On June 09 2015 13:49 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 13:42 Tubesock wrote:
##Vote: wherebugsgo
1. Chezinu rules. I worship the brown. LightningStrike basically same rule.
2. Flat wrong on the smurf issue and continues to bring it up. Town points to the person who understands the massive town advantage to having FreezingFoot be someone like townHolyflare. Bugs is NK1 hunting. Why would he ask who he should suck up to and who sucks?
3. Pretty often tunnelled towns help dig their own grave. If can't out him, easy mlynch.
4. After a couple people town Foot (sorry reading FF makes me think of Fecalfeast) he posts "oooh look I have 5 townreads! I'm just like YOU GUYS!"
5. Bill Mother Fucking Murray. 1. Can you tell me why LS is town 2. Why wouldnt he ask his partners in the mafia QT instead of the thread 3. I don't understand who is the tunneled town 4. the FF thing is totally happening with me aswell i vote we call him foot. He has backed up his reads though do any of the seem fake to you?
I don't know if LS is town or not. No real idea. I wasn't playing but I read his last couple games while they were playing and I feel he's much more obvious D2/3.
2. I don't really understand your comment. His scummates won't know anybetter than him?
3. FreezingFoot was the tunneled town, but he didn't play into it. He responded really well. And Bugs switched to LS as soon as he saw it wasn't going to gain traction.
4. I think Foot is town.
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Well this is awkward. I thought this game started today, not yesterday. I've read pretty much everything, just want to dive filters now, since I started glazing over a lot during the whole smurf debate and feel like I could've missed stuff.
Overall, if WBG is seriously BMing("joining the lurkers) over his case being attacked and being scummed when he's been adamant and ad hominem/has been condescending is pretty inconsistent. Like you're calling players scum AND bad. Why can you dish the heat and not take it? I only have WBG as possible town because I don't think scum would continue rolling with that so hard and then continue pushing other things and conversation in the thread. And I've also had times I've BMd as town over activity levels and attacks but...I'm also not nearly as abrasive. I'm not 100% sure WBG is town but I think he's not the best lynch for today.
I never know how to read LS. I'm not sure I even want to bother trying this game. Every time I do, I just get scummed in return, regardless of whether I deduce he's scum or town lol. But for right now, I could lynch him. First page of filter is a few one liners, some wishy washy stuff and emoticons. And some of those one liners were questions he never followed up on or took anywhere(the questioning Stutters AND Shockey, two "lurkers"). But they haven't even been on to reply so it's NAI. I'll give him a very slight town lean for now for being willing to post past games and stepping it up once the game moved on from the smurf debate.
Don't lynch Yamato. That's pretty simple, right? I was worried that Terrorblade comment would be his only post but that big analysis post, although a bit hard on the eyes, looked pretty good. At worst, it's a good townie looking at WBG and LS objectively. At worst, it's scum misdirection in a HUGE post that can be revisited later, but I really don't think that's the case.
I think BM could flip scum here. He opens with voting me, presumably as pressure to get me to post, but he leaves it up for about an hour, if that. Seems like a really odd way to pressure vote and without posting to that point, I'm not sure what else I would've been voted for. Then he puts up a semi-serious? vote on Bats. Buddying WBG. Clearly says not unvoting. Next post? Unvotes. Votes WBG. Yes, he explains WHY he's voting and going after WBG but prior to that, there were 2 rather unexplained votes, including a clear indication that he wouldn't move. What changed? BM, explain? What are you reading bats as now?
FreezingFoot. Funny thing is, I found myself having the same thought regarding WBG's entrance. Trying hard to look town, asking who is "good", etc. I feel like it is a genuine reaction if I reacted the same way. But I've already explained that later things WBG did make it harder for me to believe he's scum. But I also like Freezing's later questioning of Shockey. 2nd time he posted something I was thinking while reading. And I subscribe to the "two D1 contributors going at each other hard are usually town" theory so I won't lynch FF or WBG today. Freezing town.
Onegu very slight scum lean for not claiming VT and then pointing it out himself. It's like he realized he broke his meta because he isn't town but he turned it into a joke to trivialize it. Note that in acknowledging he didn't claim VT, he proceeded to not claim VT. So he's not VT. Easiest read ever. The list post was a bit underwhelming, too, but since I took that word from his own filter, I can't judge it very much. Can't chalk him up to much more than a null right now.
Shockeyy. I can't say anything about him until he answers FreezingFoot's questions. But even those 2 posts were inconsistent. Policy lynch with a gut scum feeling.
Stutters doesn't do D1. But even as for as not doing D1, the level of activity for him is bad. He likes FF. Is going to try and post more. I could lynch if he doesn't at least try to get SOMETHING out before EoD.
Tubesock is town side of null. The entrance is ok but I'm parroting WBG's spreadsheet here. It could be nothing or it could be something but I also picked up on him knowing FF was a girl. But I don't remember seeing FF confirm that. But I have FF in my town pile so meh.
Bats I like for town. The few times I've played with him, he's been a bit sporadic but his questioning have clear trains of thought and I liked the picking up on Tube/FF female thing. It shows he's actively reading and has an interest in solving the game.
Breshke is slight town pile for now. He was willing to reassess his read and vote on FF but he did it in a well thought out and explained post, not just a "oh I got caught trying to jump on a wagon, let me backtrack" kind of manner. He's also actively questioning. Not a good lynch today.
Kickstart is town town town. General rule of thumb. Don't lynch the larger filters on D1, since you can come back to them instead of destroying all activity in the game and letting lurking scum win. Kickstart's early posts felt a bit odd but it seems he was just playing into the flavor and getting discussion going. Since then, he's been looking at everything in thread, from WBG - FF to Breshke's vote to commenting on everyone who has posted.
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##Unvote
##Vote:Shockey
I've being extremely busy today. Just got home.
Did a quick skim in the thread. I've read bugs spread sheet and his reads felt genuine (with the exception of Breshke), reevaluating most of them accordingly to thread progression + I'm not willing to lynch the biggest filter day1 + him being upset with lack of activity feels true (I don't think scum would fuck off like he did when he is the main wagon). He may still be scum but this is enough to let him live another day. We already have a lot of information from him and we can deal with him later, if that is the case. I prefer to have him around day2 than any other scummy person who has few to almost no post at all.
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Haha It's hilarious that you guys think I think Foot is a girl.
I just read the postgame to Carnival where Rsoultin won as mafia. In it in the late game she pointed out that she usually dies N1/2 if she is town. That got me thinking too, since when I was scum with her, we killed Holyflare 2 hours after he subbed in just because he was TownHolyflare.
So, that turned on a lightbulb that made me think of why it's in town's interest not to out the smurf. And why it's so beneficial to mafia if the smurf outs.
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On June 09 2015 13:54 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 13:49 Breshke wrote:On June 09 2015 13:42 Tubesock wrote:
##Vote: wherebugsgo
1. Chezinu rules. I worship the brown. LightningStrike basically same rule.
2. Flat wrong on the smurf issue and continues to bring it up. Town points to the person who understands the massive town advantage to having FreezingFoot be someone like townHolyflare. Bugs is NK1 hunting. Why would he ask who he should suck up to and who sucks?
3. Pretty often tunnelled towns help dig their own grave. If can't out him, easy mlynch.
4. After a couple people town Foot (sorry reading FF makes me think of Fecalfeast) he posts "oooh look I have 5 townreads! I'm just like YOU GUYS!"
5. Bill Mother Fucking Murray. 1. Can you tell me why LS is town 2. Why wouldnt he ask his partners in the mafia QT instead of the thread 3. I don't understand who is the tunneled town 4. the FF thing is totally happening with me aswell i vote we call him foot. He has backed up his reads though do any of the seem fake to you? I don't know if LS is town or not. No real idea. I wasn't playing but I read his last couple games while they were playing and I feel he's much more obvious D2/3. 2. I don't really understand your comment. His scummates won't know anybetter than him? 3. FreezingFoot was the tunneled town, but he didn't play into it. He responded really well. And Bugs switched to LS as soon as he saw it wasn't going to gain traction. 4. I think Foot is town.
1. Okay so you say WBG is mafia because he is going after the low hanging fruit that is LS. But that only applies if LS is town. So if you don't think LS is town I don't think you can make this read.
2. You say he is nightkill hunting by asking who is good and who isnt im asking why would he ask this in the thread instead of the mafia QT.
3.Oh by "tunneled" you mean someone who is being tunneled on. Okay this still doesn't make me think bugs is mafia.
4. Did you see his link to his reads page. He actually thinks foot is town as well.
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The smurf is obviously not Rso she couldn't not post emojis. It is in her blood.
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Atm Id be comfortable lynching Onegu/shockey, stutters/tube. Unless I missed something from stutters, don't remember him saying anything at all so.
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Shining finally posted and its decent enough I guess.
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On June 09 2015 14:05 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 13:54 Tubesock wrote:On June 09 2015 13:49 Breshke wrote:On June 09 2015 13:42 Tubesock wrote:
##Vote: wherebugsgo
1. Chezinu rules. I worship the brown. LightningStrike basically same rule.
2. Flat wrong on the smurf issue and continues to bring it up. Town points to the person who understands the massive town advantage to having FreezingFoot be someone like townHolyflare. Bugs is NK1 hunting. Why would he ask who he should suck up to and who sucks?
3. Pretty often tunnelled towns help dig their own grave. If can't out him, easy mlynch.
4. After a couple people town Foot (sorry reading FF makes me think of Fecalfeast) he posts "oooh look I have 5 townreads! I'm just like YOU GUYS!"
5. Bill Mother Fucking Murray. 1. Can you tell me why LS is town 2. Why wouldnt he ask his partners in the mafia QT instead of the thread 3. I don't understand who is the tunneled town 4. the FF thing is totally happening with me aswell i vote we call him foot. He has backed up his reads though do any of the seem fake to you? I don't know if LS is town or not. No real idea. I wasn't playing but I read his last couple games while they were playing and I feel he's much more obvious D2/3. 2. I don't really understand your comment. His scummates won't know anybetter than him? 3. FreezingFoot was the tunneled town, but he didn't play into it. He responded really well. And Bugs switched to LS as soon as he saw it wasn't going to gain traction. 4. I think Foot is town. 1. Okay so you say WBG is mafia because he is going after the low hanging fruit that is LS. But that only applies if LS is town. So if you don't think LS is town I don't think you can make this read. 2. You say he is nightkill hunting by asking who is good and who isnt im asking why would he ask this in the thread instead of the mafia QT. 3.Oh by "tunneled" you mean someone who is being tunneled on. Okay this still doesn't make me think bugs is mafia. 4. Did you see his link to his reads page. He actually thinks foot is town as well.
1. I don't think he's mafia either though? And Chezinu literally did this in his champions game against his mafia mate.
2. I don't mean he's nightkill hunting by asking what people think would be the best town. I think it's what's on his mind. His push on Foot has three benefits to him if he is mafia. 1. it makes him appear town (pushing thread/conversation, and getting information), if he drives hard into someone often time these people fold and look scummy for a mlynch, outs the smurf he can decide with more accurate information who to kill AND this will likely generate more jubjubing from town deciding if the smurf lied or not.
He sees the push on Foot doesn't have traction and people are towning him, so he posts "oh I have 5 town reads! this was totes productive! I'm so TOWN!" Then knows that he can't just kill a lurker, he goes after LS who is well LS.
I don't know how you guys write notes, but uh I don't use sentences I use code words to remind me. Otherwise I would run out. He made it all pretty and nice to read for us. bleh
Also, I don't like martyrs.
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Rsoultin could easily turn off her emoji's. Easy.
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Tubesock, Kickstart, Breshke, can you give thoughts on what I've wrote just now?
Also, I'm not rsoultin
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On June 09 2015 13:59 FreezingFoot wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote:Shockey
I've being extremely busy today. Just got home.
Did a quick skim in the thread. I've read bugs spread sheet and his reads felt genuine (with the exception of Breshke), reevaluating most of them accordingly to thread progression + I'm not willing to lynch the biggest filter day1 + him being upset with lack of activity feels true (I don't think scum would fuck off like he did when he is the main wagon). He may still be scum but this is enough to let him live another day. We already have a lot of information from him and we can deal with him later, if that is the case. I prefer to have him around day2 than any other scummy person who has few to almost no post at all.
I'm willing to reread Shockey but I think Bugs is mafia. His play reminds me of Geript in Joats where his plan was to shit up the thread, disrupt the big names, and position himself in a leadership role.
I must have missed it, why's Shockey scummier? He has only 1-2 posts doesn't he?
Also, I don't want to see them or anything, but when you take notes, do you use full sentences?
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On June 09 2015 13:59 FreezingFoot wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote:Shockey
I've being extremely busy today. Just got home.
Did a quick skim in the thread. I've read bugs spread sheet and his reads felt genuine (with the exception of Breshke), reevaluating most of them accordingly to thread progression + I'm not willing to lynch the biggest filter day1 + him being upset with lack of activity feels true (I don't think scum would fuck off like he did when he is the main wagon). He may still be scum but this is enough to let him live another day. We already have a lot of information from him and we can deal with him later, if that is the case. I prefer to have him around day2 than any other scummy person who has few to almost no post at all.
I agree about his read on me. Feels lazy to me and he is just reading me town because I agreed with him early. I liked most of his other reads though and I know im town so I didn't care that much.
Agree with the rest.
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On June 09 2015 03:47 FreezingFoot wrote:I'm slightly scumreading Shockey because I think these two posts doesn't go along: Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 00:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote wherebugsgo
Bugs posts in the beginning are trollish, but who knows just following the hype train from reading the thread atm. Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 01:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 09 2015 01:22 LightningStrike wrote:On June 09 2015 00:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote wherebugsgo
Bugs posts in the beginning are trollish, but who knows just following the hype train from reading the thread atm. Anymore thoughts outside of Bugs opening? I've only gone through the opening, but Kickstart's and Breshke posts seem legit, Onegu is hiding to not get sniped first day. I'll sheep BM just cause I want to atm. It's the first day, hard to tell anything about anybody. Especially when there is other people who have yet to really post. Then there is the smurf, but he's been active so w.e Votes randomly, gives town passes for both KS and Breshke out of openings, unreasonably votes with BM, throws this half ass intention of lynching a smurf but not actually wanting just because I'm active, giving no actual reason behind this statement.
Thing is, I'm basically guilty of all this too. I town both KS and Bresh, I really like BM, and if I were around at the beginning I probably would have pressure voted you too.
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On June 09 2015 14:27 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 13:59 FreezingFoot wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote:Shockey
I've being extremely busy today. Just got home.
Did a quick skim in the thread. I've read bugs spread sheet and his reads felt genuine (with the exception of Breshke), reevaluating most of them accordingly to thread progression + I'm not willing to lynch the biggest filter day1 + him being upset with lack of activity feels true (I don't think scum would fuck off like he did when he is the main wagon). He may still be scum but this is enough to let him live another day. We already have a lot of information from him and we can deal with him later, if that is the case. I prefer to have him around day2 than any other scummy person who has few to almost no post at all. I'm willing to reread Shockey but I think Bugs is mafia. His play reminds me of Geript in Joats where his plan was to shit up the thread, disrupt the big names, and position himself in a leadership role. I must have missed it, why's Shockey scummier? He has only 1-2 posts doesn't he? Also, I don't want to see them or anything, but when you take notes, do you use full sentences?
Well, the thing is that after I skimmed the thread I could also see posts from bugs that could be coming from a town perspective. I understand what you're saying and I still have issues with bugs, but what I meant is that we already have enough information from him to work with day2. As an active player, we can always gather more information from him to form a solid read later.
So I'd rather have bugs on day2 over someone who isn't willing to give us enough information. I think Shockey is scummy because those two posts you saw doesn't make sense together. I've already explained why. I'm gonna quote it for you to see, 1 minute.
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On June 09 2015 14:34 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 03:47 FreezingFoot wrote:I'm slightly scumreading Shockey because I think these two posts doesn't go along: On June 09 2015 00:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote wherebugsgo
Bugs posts in the beginning are trollish, but who knows just following the hype train from reading the thread atm. On June 09 2015 01:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 09 2015 01:22 LightningStrike wrote:On June 09 2015 00:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote wherebugsgo
Bugs posts in the beginning are trollish, but who knows just following the hype train from reading the thread atm. Anymore thoughts outside of Bugs opening? I've only gone through the opening, but Kickstart's and Breshke posts seem legit, Onegu is hiding to not get sniped first day. I'll sheep BM just cause I want to atm. It's the first day, hard to tell anything about anybody. Especially when there is other people who have yet to really post. Then there is the smurf, but he's been active so w.e Votes randomly, gives town passes for both KS and Breshke out of openings, unreasonably votes with BM, throws this half ass intention of lynching a smurf but not actually wanting just because I'm active, giving no actual reason behind this statement. Thing is, I'm basically guilty of all this too. I town both KS and Bresh, I really like BM, and if I were around at the beginning I probably would have pressure voted you too.
Yeah but he voted bugs? O.o
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On June 09 2015 14:16 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 14:05 Breshke wrote:On June 09 2015 13:54 Tubesock wrote:On June 09 2015 13:49 Breshke wrote:On June 09 2015 13:42 Tubesock wrote:
##Vote: wherebugsgo
1. Chezinu rules. I worship the brown. LightningStrike basically same rule.
2. Flat wrong on the smurf issue and continues to bring it up. Town points to the person who understands the massive town advantage to having FreezingFoot be someone like townHolyflare. Bugs is NK1 hunting. Why would he ask who he should suck up to and who sucks?
3. Pretty often tunnelled towns help dig their own grave. If can't out him, easy mlynch.
4. After a couple people town Foot (sorry reading FF makes me think of Fecalfeast) he posts "oooh look I have 5 townreads! I'm just like YOU GUYS!"
5. Bill Mother Fucking Murray. 1. Can you tell me why LS is town 2. Why wouldnt he ask his partners in the mafia QT instead of the thread 3. I don't understand who is the tunneled town 4. the FF thing is totally happening with me aswell i vote we call him foot. He has backed up his reads though do any of the seem fake to you? I don't know if LS is town or not. No real idea. I wasn't playing but I read his last couple games while they were playing and I feel he's much more obvious D2/3. 2. I don't really understand your comment. His scummates won't know anybetter than him? 3. FreezingFoot was the tunneled town, but he didn't play into it. He responded really well. And Bugs switched to LS as soon as he saw it wasn't going to gain traction. 4. I think Foot is town. 1. Okay so you say WBG is mafia because he is going after the low hanging fruit that is LS. But that only applies if LS is town. So if you don't think LS is town I don't think you can make this read. 2. You say he is nightkill hunting by asking who is good and who isnt im asking why would he ask this in the thread instead of the mafia QT. 3.Oh by "tunneled" you mean someone who is being tunneled on. Okay this still doesn't make me think bugs is mafia. 4. Did you see his link to his reads page. He actually thinks foot is town as well. 1. I don't think he's mafia either though? And Chezinu literally did this in his champions game against his mafia mate. 2. I don't mean he's nightkill hunting by asking what people think would be the best town. I think it's what's on his mind. His push on Foot has three benefits to him if he is mafia. 1. it makes him appear town (pushing thread/conversation, and getting information), if he drives hard into someone often time these people fold and look scummy for a mlynch, outs the smurf he can decide with more accurate information who to kill AND this will likely generate more jubjubing from town deciding if the smurf lied or not. He sees the push on Foot doesn't have traction and people are towning him, so he posts "oh I have 5 town reads! this was totes productive! I'm so TOWN!" Then knows that he can't just kill a lurker, he goes after LS who is well LS. I don't know how you guys write notes, but uh I don't use sentences I use code words to remind me. Otherwise I would run out. He made it all pretty and nice to read for us. bleh Also, I don't like martyrs.
I don't see myself agreeing with you about 1. I get where you are coming from but I don't think it makes WBG mafia because he didn't just settle on LS he actually did some meta diving.
Two is like the same thing. How would a town act in this situation instead. Like what is the difference between a town pressuring early for info and a scum pressuring early to secure a misslynch? Also when WBG flipped his read on foot was around the time I did aswell so i can understand why it happened.
Im going to stop defending him now though because he can be a big boy and come back to the thread and do it himself.
Can you look at LS's posts for me and try make a read on him. Do you agree that his posts feel kind of forced when he isn't answering peoples questions.
Also out of Onegu/shockey who would you rather lynch or is it the same.
(last two questions can be answered by anyone)
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Day 1 Vote Count
wherebugsgo (3): Bill Murray, ShoCkeyy, Tubesock
LightningStrike (2): wherebugsgo, Yamato77
Onegu (2): Breshke, Kickstart
The Shining (1): batsnacks
ShoCkeyy (1): FreezingFoot
Not voted (4): Onegu, The Shining, Stutters695, LightningStrike,
Currently, no one is set to be lynched!
Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).
With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Remember to vote in thread, and cast withcraft votes via PM
Failure to vote in either category will result in a modkill.
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I didn't notice any forcefulness from LS's posts, but I'll reread. I'll have to go filter him in another game to side by side more.
If Bugs isn't going to be lynched I'm fine with waiting D2 for more information reasons. I'd vote Onegu. I'd feel dirty if he is scum and told us and we didn't believe him.
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